a111: Logged on 2018-07-04 16:24 mircea_popescu: as far as uneducated, "hard" ustardian kids were concerned, the dilemma stood between stories of killing injuns and "building a civilisation out of a wilderness" by then two generations expired, or else ~kids just like them actually doing it~, driving motorcycles through the endless dusts of the middle earth and erecting oil pumping metropolises across the siberia.
mircea_popescu: choice bits, "Last year, I ended a two-year relationship with a man who ultimately couldnt commit and wanted to be polyamorous." ie "i was somewhere mid-dial on the phone of some dude with some money, who eventually had enough of my airs and stopped returning calls".
mircea_popescu: "These days I work as a change activist, mounting summits for world leaders and serving as an adviser to startups and entrepreneurs looking to better the planet. "
mircea_popescu: ie, "if you're fucktarded enough to think this worn out borderline sleeve is going to pronounce you a ~world leader~, it'll cost you fiddy bux or w/e"
asciilifeform: 'A friend, learning C, asked me for help in understand the results of some such expression as a = (b++) + ((b++) + (b++)) It emerged that one could run this on different compilers, even on the same machine, and get about as many results as one tried different compilers...' etc
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
a111: Logged on 2015-03-10 01:54 mircea_popescu: goes with my "Remember the inept newsweek goon, Leah McGrath Goodman ? The chick with the mortgage she can't pay on her own ? Like that other chick, like each and every other chick in this quagmire of chickdom ?
asciilifeform: oh hah whatever happened, incidentally, to leah #xxxxx.. ?
mircea_popescu: very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-14#795515 : NONE, and i mean it : not a single FUCKING ONE of these "government-sponsored oligarchs" have a penny to their name. every single one "powerful" of the democracy-socialism, be they a senator, a general, a "famous person", a "journalist", WHATHEVER they may be, made out, at all. not like bandits, not like anythings, they're as poor as church mice.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-14 01:43 mircea_popescu: this theory that redditards have like... different personalities. what do you people do in the intimacy of your own house, name goldfish ?
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY mirroring the undemocratic-socialism creation of "bussinessmen" through "corruption" and "stealing from the government" -- which is to say EXACTLY the same process run by EXACTLY the same people the exact same way.
mircea_popescu: zero difference between russian product of the socialist state pretending to wealth and mark-leah cuban-goodman whatever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. the exact same "has happened" to her as to this other one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly minor diff, but the occasional orc oligarch does manage to move some dough offshore and live kakobrekla-style in some zimbabwestan island for yrs
mircea_popescu: precisely same as to the "surprised by wealth" moron. sitting somewhere in a peculiar hovel hoping people from the internet will come anf fix his ac.
mircea_popescu: then got butthurt that his perceived importance no longer matches his actual importance, and why should it be his fault. then got clever about it. whatever.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the film snaps for all these "fellow travellers" or w/e you'd call them, "herd of independent minds", "reasonable people with reservations", "skeptical but objective observer of own life", whatever socially-acceptable wrappers on narcissism.
mircea_popescu: first it kinda looks like a) it really is a film everyone wants to watch and b) they're in the main cast!!!
mircea_popescu: c) then it changes, as it always does ; and d) they try an' fix it.
asciilifeform: speaking of, did mircea_popescu ever watch the ancient silent film of faust ?
asciilifeform: i saw a pretty great showing of it once, complete with pipe organist accompaniment
asciilifeform: re 'surprised by wealth folx', asciilifeform was somewhat astonished to discover that esr's infamous 'open sores ups project' features not a 'make own heavy industrial ups to run for 3 days' but instead... clone of one of those laughably miniature things they sell at konsoomer kompooter shops, 'run for 3min so you can shitdown'
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's personal history with sad iron, the alpha and omega of the weakness of konsoomer ups, is that it features no way to handle the devil in the details of plugging in gigantic array of battery ( they tend to have minimal or nonexistent inverter cooling, and melt down long before your bank of boat batteries or whichever, runs out )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 18:33 mircea_popescu: the numbers are worth the mention : if you get 500 old truck/high power car batteries, literally, and you put them in 4 lines (gets about 49 - 50V or so), you now have somewhere in the range of 500 * AT LEAST 50 Ah in your hands. that's 25 KWh for the more common measure.
asciilifeform: ( btw this kind of thing has some interesting implications: iron that runs in pulse duty cycle can handle unspeakable wattage for so long as the pulse is short. consider typical example, photographer's xenon flash lamp, if you wanted same light in a sustained 100% cycle, you need a 10kg projector rather than 10g flash thingie. or targeting laser for tank, easily 50w , but pocket-sized. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where's the discussion re the dc and its Fe- batts ?
asciilifeform: ( when asciilifeform was running number for a -- so far, paper-only , gedankenexperiment -- shortwave gossipd station, realized that the traditional outlandish bulk of 1000+w shortwave transmitter, is unnecessary if you only care to transmit millisecond bursts a couple times per hr ; can have fairly compact and inexpensive item, not normally seen in 'heavy' pirate radio experience )
mircea_popescu: anyway, you wouldn't use consumer "tech" for any serious purpose. make a god damned inverter, out of one of those solar power bs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'make own ups' is a sort of peculiar joke, surplus datacentre ups are just short of a dime a dozen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is not even the wrong way ; will not only significantly cheapen our end, but ~all of the enemy hardware will ahve to be replaced, at capital costs far exceeding its current capacities (projected to diminish in the future as they may be)
asciilifeform: pulsed tx means you can get away with not only small energy supply (e.g. konsoomer photovoltaic + capacitor) but thin, inexpensive aerial wires, smallish transistor in the amp ( vs the thumb-sized monsters seen in traditional radio design ), and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "make own" is always a good idea ; i train new slavegirls in cooking even though i got more star-able cooks here than any restaurant ever afforded.
mircea_popescu: not found anymore, though i suppose "buy computer parts make desktop" cvasi-acceptable substitute.
asciilifeform: in particular true for radio work, where the 'lumped' (see maxwell thread) approximation taught in uni, is actually a mere toy approximation of physical reality
asciilifeform: imho 'buy boards, make desktop' is not particularly educational in current-day, aside from the abstract teaching of 'yes, the parts are interchangeable, yes you can work a screwdriver' kindergarten curriculum
mircea_popescu: are you aware about 2/3 of the fuckage female population does not own a computer ?
mircea_popescu: are you aware the third that does and the two thirds that don't contain the EXACT SDAME PERCENT of seld-diagnosed smarts, intelligence etcetera ?
mircea_popescu: do you know they literally lack the werewithal, as 20something yos, supposedly capable of employment and child rearing, to a) identify the problem ; b) identify the solution ; c) put boards into a mobo and hook it all up ?
mircea_popescu: the saeculum produces girls unqualified to be niggers.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, it is however ~too many~ meatsacks who own comp (or at least think they do) rather than too few
mircea_popescu: you know that about 1/3 of responsens my bot gets come as "what ?" which generally gets ignored, and generally forms during the day in the more literate complaint of "i can't read the subject line", often with culprit-identification bolted on the side : "~IT~ cuts it off". what the fuyck is this "it" ?
mircea_popescu: invariably the retort comes as "sucks to be on the phone, huh", for which they are utterly unprepared. notwithstanding six-figure "education debt" in each to the last one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 100% of meatsacks on the internet should own comp.
asciilifeform: ( picture a 'alt-history' where it came to be that 2/3 of population owned a particle accelerator (let's say, for sterilization of even moar outlandishly-gangrenous usa.beef than presently sold . ) picture the pestilential 'omfg i am eating what! isotope?!' complaints
asciilifeform: sorta why asciilifeform sank 100litres of sweat into the armlappy thing.
asciilifeform: btw in addition to mircea_popescu's earlier observation, it aint a total loss also in that asciilifeform can bake a neutered replacement rom more or less immediately if the key is ever popped.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo plz lemme know if you have the tracking info
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu fwiw kid also got a basic set of electronic components and a board to stick them onto + booklet with ~100 basic circuits and he's been having a blast with it although I'd say he still has a way to go to fully grasp what he's doing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mod6 appreciate the situation here : 1. customer walks in. this is a MAJOR item for a company that apparently lost its only candidate manager over the inability to organize a sales mechanism, whereby doesn't have to wait for customer to walk in.
mircea_popescu: 2. customer gives ~2 week early warning, and then the mark comes and goes, and customer doesn't have what he wanted.
mircea_popescu: now what do i do, do i wait ? how do i know i'm not waiting for an infinite loop ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman are these ics ? or ye olde resistors capacitors etc ?
mircea_popescu: not bad! i wouldn't care whether he consciously understands what he's doing. that's not really how the brain works, at that age. he learned to speak without understanding what the fuck he was doing also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if no answer from ben_vulpes in day or 2, i'ma have to ctrl-C that loop and take over reactor controls, and ask mod6 to make good on his offer to sell his spare ssd's, currently kept in the bilge, to pizarro, and then give the signal to BingoBoingo to install it in diana_coman's auxiliary box.
diana_coman: aha; (though I must say: next time anyone says kids learn languages "easily" I'll punch them on the spot)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman subjectively easily. for the obvious reason : because they perceive no alternative.
asciilifeform: it is however my current understanding that diana_coman wants a trinque cuntoo install. this means that trinque gotta give the signal and supply with what to install -- and ideally prior to going on his vacation.
mircea_popescu: the role of the belt/whip with adults is exactly same -- to remove the false perception of alternative.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I published a build script that upstream subsequently trashed, abandoned gcc versions, and all the rest.
mircea_popescu: trinque so wait, how do i follow your cuntoo in production ? or shouldn't ?
mircea_popescu: i thought you had published something recently, like a week or so.
diana_coman: trinque, my understanding was that you can release something that can be installed currently (although not final version)?
trinque: this build script was to have a gentoo which uses musl, and uses patched ebuilds from the libressl and musl overlays.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand there are exactly two variants : 1) waitloop on trinque to declare his item as ready for battlefield test 2) asciilifeform bakes an exact clone of existing s.mg gentoo ( really, dulap-iii's gentoo )
asciilifeform: trinque: i thought you've successfully seceded from upstream gentoo (i.e. baked own ports tree mirror etc )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 14:35 trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.
mircea_popescu: trinque aha so basically the situation here is, 1. you did an ablated gentoo last year, which was more vanilla ; 2. meanwhile it was discovered no longer builds, because imperial shitstack can't be a foundation for anything but the cockroaches ; 3. since ave1 work meshes well with older asciilifeform work we've updated the cuntoo target for a full musl integration, and this will come but 4. prolly later this year ?
trinque: this is correct; I've been fighting a war against upstream and reposessing items since the original build script. this process is close but not done.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a second devil potentially in the details -- not knowing much re eulora particulars, asciilifeform does not know whether it will actually build 100% musltronically
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:19 asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo plz lemme know if you have the tracking info
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 15 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plz lemme know if you have the tracking info
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand, it would not be a wasted effort , given as if a musl-incompatibility is revealed , diana_coman can go straight to patching it, working in parallel with trinque's finishing touches on cuntoo
trinque: I was saying the script (which is now a bootstrapper) can be used to produce a usable system (which is not cuntoo, but gentoo), and I think it's reasonable not to want to use that.
mircea_popescu: because if i do and something breaks, i have no way to extract value out of the foregoing effort. what will i do, trilema article about "here should be some words nobody knows how they'd go" ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-20 16:30 mircea_popescu: which brings us to : ben_vulpes would pizarro be amenable to bring up the spare sometime so she makes it a full gnat musl thing, test whether we can move everything there, and either move it (so basically, moving servers) or else backing down (so basically i guess either renting both for a while or powerting back down the spare) ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 12:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827977 << 're-emerge' seems to imply systemwide ? you're more or less guaranteed a borked box, muslism has to be done either rotor-style (i.e. 100% user-local build of 1 proggy at a time) or systemwide ( trinque's cuntoo ), on account of the impossibility of cleanly linking glibc libs to musl proggy or vice versa
diana_coman: asciilifeform, trinque's script is basically proto-cuntoo as far as I understand it; and it will result in a mulstronic system so why are we talking of a glibc box?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i was referencing the 'let's stand up clone of dulap' variant, strictly.
mircea_popescu: look, the bootloader thing is either musl or isn't. if it isn't, i expect trinque wants to hear about it ; whether he wants to or not i still want it said.
asciilifeform: if trinque has a pre-alpha cuntoo for us, by all means let's fire away, and test
mircea_popescu: and if it is, it is, and forget about all this nonsense that's already sunk an hour of time pointlessly.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get it: clone of dulap is pointless because it requires rotor-style which can be equally done on existing server; but we are talking of having a box with trinque's musltronic proto-cuntoo
phf: gentoo out of the box turned out to have all kinds of interesting surprises (i haven't ran gentoo in years, so it was interesting to see the holes through which the darkness comes). like the foo-9999999.ebuilds that just pull from the mystery github repos without any kind of checksumming
asciilifeform: trinque: is your item packaged roughly similarly to my rockchip thing ? (i.e. a tarball that i can unpack onto an empty ext4 , and jump into ) ?
asciilifeform: i dun recall seeing md5 lulz but wouldn't rule it out
phf: well, yes, you have all the tarbas/ebuilds have a blake in manifest, but there's no equivalent for a git repo. those are just pulled
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, here's an idea : suppose someone from pizarro were to contact ~all the "sexuality cultural war" websites out there, "feminists" "mra" whatever, and proposed pizarro sponsorship ?
asciilifeform: phf: if you have a handy list of these lulz in your notes, plox to post
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better than trying to "buy ads" on sites that try to sell them.
mircea_popescu: "if stuck in africa, stick to fucking virgins" or how did it go.
asciilifeform: this is smart. and iirc BingoBoingo has his fiber nao and is ready for battlefield.
mircea_popescu: most people are too shy to talk to girls ; be the girl that talks to them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not like imperial ideology is meaningful in any sense anyway. might as well.
asciilifeform: there's a whole bunch of weev types who aren't aware that anyffing like pizarro is even possible. somebody, somewhere, among'em, possibly isn't entirely tard
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo btw, here's an idea : suppose someone from pizarro were to contact ~all the "sexuality cultural war" websites out there, "feminists" "mra" whatever, and proposed pizarro sponsorship ? << I'd actually been warming up some old accounts on these forums to do exactly this sort of thing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831795 << piling on to this thread ftr : ~fiddybux buys you a device that can eat, 24/7, the entire 30MHz or so usable sw spectrum, and search for whatever. pulsers can then transmit short luby slices of $block pretty much wherever in said spectrum , at various times, even regardless of ionospheric season; a % of these will get eaten by $receiver, and slowly reconstitute a valid parcel.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 16:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is not even the wrong way ; will not only significantly cheapen our end, but ~all of the enemy hardware will ahve to be replaced, at capital costs far exceeding its current capacities (projected to diminish in the future as they may be)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 18:02 phf: gentoo out of the box turned out to have all kinds of interesting surprises (i haven't ran gentoo in years, so it was interesting to see the holes through which the darkness comes). like the foo-9999999.ebuilds that just pull from the mystery github repos without any kind of checksumming
trinque: (none ought be in the bootstrapper either, as I think they're all masked, though not by any hard protocol)
trinque: asciilifeform: happen to have a recommended SDR?
asciilifeform: trinque: battlefield version of the hypothetical device would need a purpose-baked (fpga) sdr. but for experiment, could use e.g. 'hackrf' ( i have it, but hesitate to recommend it to others, it comes with a massive ball of open sores rubbish, really wants an ab initio driver , ars longa, etc )
asciilifeform: the ubiquitous realtek sdr dongle is unfortunately wholly worthless for shortwave work
asciilifeform: ( i tried the chinese-made 'downconverters' to bring it into the necessary band, thus far none worked worth a sparrow's fart )
asciilifeform: the most economical receive-only station would prolly still consist of the realtek + a (working) downconverter.
asciilifeform: re the 'unattended relay' concept, the gnarliest sticking point is the need for a rsatron that can verify a 4096b signature in a few msec, and while running on battery/photocell, not with whole comp
mircea_popescu: downconverting is a much stickier issue than meets the eye
asciilifeform: the holy grail would be to stuff this into a fpga. however ice40 isn't even remotely bigenuff.
asciilifeform: in principle, this here would be one of the rare cases where baking an asic would be a massive win (in that there's not much of a practical alternative)
asciilifeform: if device made for unit cost of e.g. 1 $, enemy can then enjoy going bankrupt spending 5k to find each one in the woods.
asciilifeform: a larger and expensive version of the item could be built conceivably with off-the-shelf iron, all it'd take is a bit of courage, can plug it in wherever one happens to have access to unguarded mains socket plus a window to string the aerial from.
asciilifeform: box, incidentally, doesn't need to know anyffing re particulars of gossip protocol; simply verify(4096b) luby packets, rejecting old nonces, reassemble into block, and then retransmit until a newer block is assembled, then repeat ad infinitum.
asciilifeform: while imho this is not a 'let's do this right nao' scheme, it is prolly the Right Thing in re 'trb-i' block propagation. no moar 'block withholding' nonsense. no reason why trbi should not own ionosphere the same way mircea_popescu projected bitcoin will 'own' mains current generation capacity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i misspoke re 'downconverter' for realtek, really it was ~up~converter ( realtek intake starts at 100MHz or so)
mircea_popescu: somehow this never figures in the blather (also called "conversation" in-universe) : that the COST for "being inclusive to left handed people" is that a) all tools now must come with manual indicating whether left or right handed item and b) it's ambiguous, when going for a tool, which hand to go with.
mircea_popescu: "oh, but this means 7% of kids don't get their shit beat out of them regularly ages 6-9 for THIS reason"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hence the old-time su (or, for that matter current-day jp) solution: There Will Not Be Lefthanders. Period.
asciilifeform: reportedly to this very day NOTHING in jp comes in left-hand -- not desks, not toilets, not rifles in their miniature army, nuffin.
mircea_popescu: very much like "preventing ~other people~ from smoking means 7% of the taxpayers don't die early from cancer they got ~in this manner~, so they either find some other abortion mechanism or else even worse news, they get to pass on their shitgenes)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are some very strong arguments available for intolerance.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 14:25 asciilifeform: did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:40 asciilifeform: gnat has a deliberately brittle behaviour re the restriction pragmas -- if you use one it doesn't know about, it barfs. ( and i'm not even convinced that this is wrong. half of the appeal of ada is that it takes 'postel's law', rips off its head, and fucks the stump )
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
mircea_popescu: but what we got for the "diverse, inclusive internet" is the move from the "sov schooling & father's army belt" 1980s where ~all kids understood most basic things naturally~ through a period of "confusion" and into this situation of smartphone and food delivery, where ~all kids understand nothing useful~.
asciilifeform: 'diverse, inclusive' has ~massive~ cost, that somebody ends up paying.
mircea_popescu: it'd have been a fuckhell of a lot better to NOT liberalize it, and for the effort we'd still have a bunch of sad faggots crying in the corner, AND ALSO a natural and universally confirmed expectation 20something housewife-to-be can work webirc by herself on first encounter.
mircea_popescu: i care about how "the world was briefly better for X insignificant minority" like i care about flea pageants.
asciilifeform: more often than not, the joke's on the insignificant minority folx.
asciilifeform: ( who do not actually get lifted to wherever level, but instead grow a set of unreasonable expectations and rage moar than before )
mircea_popescu: yes it's fundamentally stupid ; but superficially sane. and in a world that's fucking stupid throughout, the "i don't give a shit what they started with, they have x y z working processes" is quite tempting.
mircea_popescu: and SAME fucking thing with bath robes. you have your choice of a) plastic, imported from miami or b) chinese notion of fluffed cotton, looks like insane asylum ware, WITH SHORT SLEEVES
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, they teach the girls to raise livestock and fix their clothing
mircea_popescu: who and in what cloud of toxic smoke came up with short sleeved bathrobes ?!
mircea_popescu: and yes definitely from "back home", bought it in romania, was unable to replace because spanish speakers are idiots to a man, for the reason that their stupid mothers spoke a stupid language to them.
mircea_popescu: a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has this recurrent real-life nightmare erry time he has to replace a piece of ancestral tech. most recently, i shit thee not, a pillow
asciilifeform: and on subj, not long ago asciilifeform repaired, for relative, ancestral clock, what looked like cheap alarm clock but is actually an enlarged sov copy of ~swiss~ movement , made to 'cosmonaut' specs, believe
asciilifeform: ... these are just about eternal, just needs change of oil erry 3 decades or so
asciilifeform: tell usa victim about su konsoomer ~mechanical~ clock with temperature compensation, ruby bearings, etc., he will assume you've taken lsd.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula. << My eyebrows have been getting an incredible amount of exercise here
asciilifeform: ( what do you own that's worked ~continuously~ for 40+yrs without stopping ? outside of own torso )