a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 21:41 diana_coman: no idea but fwiw I was playing with it on the rockchip; as far as I can tell both lobbes and esthlos used some previous versions; (btw esthlos can you maybe show the date of the post somewhere convenient? it's really weird to have to guess it/search for it)
esthlos: by the way hanbot , does the mp-wp come with the footnotes and spiffy-selection built in?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 14:17 phf: like i said couple of days ago i'm going to forward merge that whole right side, right now the only advise is to delete the right hand side because none of the extant V's can resolve that graph, obviously a suboptimal suggestion. i'm working on a better grapher, but until then..
esthlos: trinque: yes it does, I'm trying not to overcommit but could definitely add once the Keccak/V stuff is off my plate
hanbot: diana_coman the regrind presses here without errors with phf's vpatch. i didn't try pressing with v.pl, possibly they're incompatible...?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 03:49 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833105 << fwiw phf, esthlos-v resolves the graph in the same manner as btcbase, and can press based at any node. of course, without checking the hashes, currently...
diana_coman: hanbot, right, it's keccak hashes so ofc v.pl barfs although it's weird that it first presses so much of it and only then randomly throws up; at any rate, on different arch, phf's vpatch pressed the mp-wp genesis so at least the genesis itself seems all right
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:59 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get it: clone of dulap is pointless because it requires rotor-style which can be equally done on existing server; but we are talking of having a box with trinque's musltronic proto-cuntoo
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's in the pipeline for this week. hopefully trinque's beta cuntoo actually worx.
asciilifeform: there's a coupla things obviously missing from the alpha cuntoo, e.g. my anti-poetteringolade ban mask, make flags for actually using the 32 cpus of the box, possibly other things. but i'ma let diana_coman add these at her leisure, box will be delivered with what is as close as possible to trinque's original item ( i'ma config the nic and that's it )
phf: i think we might've discussed how all these utility libraries (particularly freedesktop ones) are the holes through which the darkness comes. poppler is one of them, a fork of venerable xpdf it is now everywhere where pdf manipulation is done, naturally with no way to turn of said manipulation when need be
asciilifeform: phf: afaik there does not currently exist anything like a hygienic latex or ghostscript recipe
asciilifeform: ( neither belongs on server, so i've not put much attention in it as of yet )
phf: i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the ban mask and flags for using the 32 cpus of the box seem to me absolutely needed as a minimum; mind adding them ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ban mask seems to already be in trinque's recipe ( i'ma add the missing flag ) ; make -j32 i will add.
asciilifeform: ( prolly wouldn't hurt to put a '# of cpus' param in trinque's script itself, in the chroot-making step, would speed up the actual bringup of cuntoo boxen considerably )
asciilifeform: (as it is, it is happening ~32x slower than could)
asciilifeform: aaaand grrrrrr asciilifeform realizes that he neglected to remove trinque's 'console to serial port only' thing.
mircea_popescu: from experience, girl-girl relationships have two states : miffed, or muffed.
asciilifeform: box is 1) wedged on boot , at 'booting kernel' or some unknowable later point 2) i cannot reset it from here , will need interactive help from BingoBoingo , and not once but several times ( if permitted to boot into trinque's cuntoo, and no worky, needs reset )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:45 asciilifeform: ( prolly wouldn't hurt to put a '# of cpus' param in trinque's script itself, in the chroot-making step, would speed up the actual bringup of cuntoo boxen considerably )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to ping asciilifeform at your earliest , we gotta do a reset dance
asciilifeform: oooh and i found why no boot : root=/dev/sda3 console=ttyS0,115200n8 << oughta be sda2 , given as i abolished swap
asciilifeform: ( iirc trinque originally built this for some very small vga-less box )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833483 << lulzily, it 'started hygienic' because outputted ancient oddball format, 'dvi', which was eaten by certain classic phototypesetters. but afaik the only way to display it on current linux is via conversion to postscript/pdf. which in turn pulls in liquishit.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 20:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ?
asciilifeform: phf also documented some other corruptions of latex in recent decade, but the details currently escape me, iirc in the log somewhere
mircea_popescu: breaking latex out of the evil linux clutches may actually be a worthy thing.
asciilifeform: subj is perennially fascinating to asciilifeform , how all of the folx with actually promising ideas re comp, withered away and died in '80s, leaving crapple & microshit.
asciilifeform: the schoolboy explanation, 'money went with ibm/microshit', dun hold water, xerox had ~infinite moneys, ditto texas instruments ( 1 of the largest semiconductor houses of its time ) , made 0 diff
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does there actually exist a 'youtube video format' or do they use the 'html5' horror ?
mircea_popescu: in practical terms, "youtube video" is an url, like p.bvulpes.com/paste/<code>.
asciilifeform: right, but there's also a layer of obscene hacks to make the actual compressed frames ride somehow atop http etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 18:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can only admire the level of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829969 conspiraci : clueless girly logs on, it ~immediately~ resets its connection and launches a new one. 100% the cheapest most effectual confusion factor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't dignify that shitshow with a mention, from the engineering pov. everyone involved i know of is deeply ashamed of their participation.
asciilifeform: it is worse than mircea_popescu likely fathoms; asciilifeform suspects that the bandwidth for lolcat watchers to watch the lolcats is 100% bezzle-powered, there does not exist anything like a +ev model for pushing video to all-comers
mircea_popescu: it's not like "author of guillotine", but rather "the guy who came up with the trick of telling jews the gaschamber's for showering".
asciilifeform: picture this, luser gets to load 500MB just for the asking, and sometimes without even asking ( background tab etc crapola )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform youtube is not mostly lolcats. youtube is mostly male dweebs in a shitsty talking in an annoying voice way too close to the mic. and picking their nose "discreetely" while they nasalize.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aah there you are. get thee to the dc cellar, and plox to ping back.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, though, i spent the 90s thinking "oh, man, videoconfereincing will be SO COOL!!!" and then the 2010s going "fuck you and your stupid camera, get on irc like normal people. i really don't need to see you sweat."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff , in usa at&t built a 'video phone' in the 1960s (!) . had to upgrade trunk cabling in entire country to make it thinkable ( the orig 't1' line dates to this period . ) net # of takers was... approx 0
asciilifeform: with some admixture of 'maybe ~this~ generation of lusers is dumb enuff'
mircea_popescu: guess what, the nude bios female will "rediscover" "love" every generation\
mircea_popescu: anyway, the important point ~everyone~ (and i don't mean in pantsuitland, at all. it's not the "gender wars" people, it's the "scientists" and "engineers" and whatnot) avoids like snails avoid salt is that THEY WERE WRONG.
mircea_popescu: an entire generation intellectually bankrupt on the cluelessness of "the tech sector leaders".
mircea_popescu: from ers to who have you, ALL WRONG, 100% certifiably fucktarded, clueless and entirely extraneous to this world.
mircea_popescu: the whole history of "technology" 1992 - 2018 readily reduces to "hey wouldn't x be cool ? let's do it! oops it totally sucks who the fuck came up with this" for values of x taken out of a set with a cardinality comparable to the cardinal of all sets.
mircea_popescu: just dud after dud after dud after dud on top of dudly mc duderson.
asciilifeform: hey, printing press keeps a-printin', why would they confront any such thing
mircea_popescu: because they have the pretense to sit in a room with me.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' essay has the complete story re subj. while printing press prints, making comp for mircea_popescu 'aint big biznis', making ipnoje for lolcat and britney watchers -- is
mircea_popescu: what, they'll "provide consultancy" to "chinese insurgents" ?
hanbot: via hanbot's dad, help wanted ad from Eugene, where he recently moved: "The Room Oregon is opening Oregon Axe, an indoor axe throwing lounge! We are looking to fill a position with an energetic and outgoing individual! Oregon Axe will also be serving beer and wine."
asciilifeform: in other omissions in trinque's cuntoo : lspci util. ( kernel build, box dun see nic, and i have no means of determining what the actual nic is, without again resetting into the live stick )
asciilifeform: soooooo diana_coman , mircea_popescu , i was able to bring up the box strictly by copying over a copy of my own dulap kernel
asciilifeform: currently i am not able to make use of trinque's builder ( even though i fed it my kernel config verbatim ) as it does not handle the building and installation of the ramdisk where modules live ( dulap kernel is not presently cleansed of modulism )
asciilifeform: however the box is online at 220.127.116.11 & ready for cuntoo userland's alpha testing . ( 1st thing you will want to do is prolly to install ave1's gnat . )
asciilifeform: diana_coman ( or mircea_popescu ) plox to gpggram a ssh pubkey
asciilifeform: all in all this was quite a bit! closer to an automatic process than asciilifeform expected ! nifty piece of work, trinque . ( yes it had typo , and a few minor uglies i'll comment on later, but overall -- worx , ~unmodified, or at least would if i had a fully demodularized kernel )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : tomorrow morning , plox to visit the cellar and carefully remove the ipkvm from the box, and cut mains to the ipkvm; also remove the usb stick from said box.
asciilifeform: ( if diana_coman indicates today that she wants to play with kernels, naturally leave kvm in )