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2018-6-29 | 2018-7-1

mircea_popescu: meanwhile on bare concrete, https://78.media.tumblr.com/05151e9d9c9e0816c59294fbf036acb1/tumblr_mi2v1oOhID1qdltsqo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: 'if anyone could tell me the real reason we have imaginary numbers that would be great!' << lol!!
asciilifeform: la ce imi serveste mie radicalurile !!1111
mircea_popescu: it's just... there's a bit from tlp linked in there, "truth dun matter, what's important is the subject"
mircea_popescu: which is why they're so unprepared for it when they bite a "shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down" steel girder.
mircea_popescu: "we have". he means he.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/1950s-cretinetti-i-soliti-ignoti-il-vedovo/#selection-105.0-105.191 << btw, il vedovo is a wonderful film. i very much recommend.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830836 << hey, so should I cease sifting of the ocean? i.e. does Pizarro no longer wish to pursue selling shared hosting?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-29 18:50 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-27#388828 << i do not think that this line of business is worth pursuing further, and will tender my resignation for mismanagement if folks want it for the wasted time/effort. sifting the midden pile of the internet for people who worry about five dollars a month for hosting flies in the face of everything i've learned in #trilema about coming anywhere near the
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-27 02:56 ben_vulpes: during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling
lobbes: Otherwise I have no problem continuing, though I have had 0 success thus far. I totally get the nausea aspect though; example of a post I had to muster 3 paragraphs to respond to in order to reach the 10 'non-fluff' post count threshold to be allowed to post an advertisement >> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1710421
mircea_popescu: lobbes but did you publish anything anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you appreciate this, at all, but consider : i follow fetlife for ~purely private~ reasons. on my own time, off my own money, for the lulz/orgasms of my own girls, and so on. yet i've published multiple articles including summaries, schematics, various discussions, on it goes. on the other hand, a bunch of you guys have been involved in a very comparable effort for about as long, and if tomorrow you put out ten thou
mircea_popescu: sand words on the topic you'll maybe achieve 20% of the sum total ?
mircea_popescu: is this sort of imbalance sane to any view ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu, once I finally get my dang blog working properly :P
mircea_popescu: this is not an answer.
mircea_popescu: what is this claim to an activity that can't be explained ? in what sense is it activity ?
lobbes: to the question of "have you published anywhere?" the answer is "no"
mircea_popescu: "it is impossible then for us to help you".
lobbes: I will work to address this
lobbes: aye
lobbes: okay, I must get this blog functioning pronto. I have defined that problem at least, after our last discussion (established connections were simply exceeding apache max workers)
mircea_popescu: and it ~may~ be the case that the actual definition of work is "that activity in which others can help you" plainly and directly.
lobbes: this makes sense, otherwise solipsism
mircea_popescu: something like that.
hanbot: fwiw, i recall seeing sales progress reports from lobbes in #pizarro multiple times
lobbes: maybe more like that trilema I read somewhere, and it resolved that old question "if a tree falls yadda yadda, does it make a sound?" "no, because sound has a explicit meaning"
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not saying he's a bad person. i'm trying to get this thing going whereby it actually works.
lobbes: well for now, a rough report on my actions thus far >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Gg8cU/?raw=true
lobbes: formal to come
mircea_popescu: dropped ads: << did they have tracking ?
lobbes: what do you mean by tracking? as in it alerts poster if movement?
mircea_popescu: for instance, cheap trick based on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830756 : if i'm curious whether some slut does click a link, i just use a shorter version, then it's evident in the logs if she did. but anything works for this purpose, adding a &hurrdurr say, you can then grep for it in the weblogs.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-29 18:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one interesting tidbit is that trilema autoresolves titles, so if you remember that, you can always go trilema.com/lets-duckduck and it'll take you home.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-on and http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-roo both go the same place, but they're also different things, yes ?
mircea_popescu: so then you can say not merely "dropped ads" but things more detailed. like say http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/
lobbes reads
mircea_popescu: other than that, the other comment is, maybe you/whole thing could benefit from automation.
mircea_popescu: eg : ask ~every single blogger on wordpress.com~ whether they wouldn't like their own hosting. you know those shitheels a) conspire to fuck up the internet and b) fleece the poor noobs something fierce. why not hurt an imperial outfit while helping some rando anontards ?
lobbes: aha I see
lobbes: yeah, automation does seem to be the answer to the sifting of the ocean problem. hard to sift through an entire ocean with a coffee mug
mircea_popescu: moreover a) why would you even try if not because you're deliberately preparing the design of a trawler and want to get the minutia correct ; and
mircea_popescu: b) how would anyone observing intuit the distinction between happy case when a) above and sad case when you actually intend to work the ocean by hand-on-mug ?
mircea_popescu: this is why publishing and the resulting discussion is so crucial for any sort of desirable result, there's just no way to know what you need help with otherwise.
lobbes: makes sense. and with that, /me takes notes and heads to blog reactor room.
hanbot: "Winner must provide a signed prize acceptance and a W-9 before receiving prize." ahahahaha this trilema piece is throwing me between fits of glee and rage
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing "bash against andreessen's webshit", here's an instagram castrator : curl https://www.instagram.com/slut/ | tr '\n' ' ' | sed 's${"src":"$\n$g' | sed 's$}],"$\n$g' | grep '"config_width":640' | sed 's$","config_width":640,"config_height":640$>$g' | sed 's$^$<img src=$' > slut.html
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-30#1830864 << Far too soon for that. I've been warming up long inactive forum accounts (mostly alt-derecho and manoshpere places) and have one lead. Latinos have eaten an incredible amount of my time this month, but when the fiber arrives Tuesday I will have more quality time to direct at the social engineering. Anyways when mircea_popescu has been posting fetlife bashfu all month far too soon to throw in
a111: Logged on 2018-06-30 02:03 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830836 << hey, so should I cease sifting of the ocean? i.e. does Pizarro no longer wish to pursue selling shared hosting?
BingoBoingo: the towel without raping the web's soft and wet spots.
BingoBoingo: There are two marketing avenues. 1 - Targeted social engineering 2 - Third Class Mail (On the Internet)
phf: https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3212479 "C Is Not a Low-level Language: Your computer is not a fast PDP-11."
BingoBoingo: In other news, just walked past some bums fighting for territory. They were yelling across the street, breaking sidewalk tiles, and throwing the pieces at each other.
asciilifeform: phf: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-16#925557 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765110 , elsewhere
a111: Logged on 2014-11-16 18:39 asciilifeform: move to 'risc' was driven mainly by desire for auto-optimization (pipelining, out-of-order instruction sequencing) in the pursuit of 'fast' (see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 18:34 asciilifeform: bbbut noooo, gotta reorder, because Only A Terorrist Would expect microshit to write sane compiler...
phf: asciilifeform: oh yeah, we've definitely had conversations on subj; also a thread where old unix heads rant and rave on subj https://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2018-June/014141.html
asciilifeform: spoiler for readers : linked piece mentions dataflow 0 times , instead proposes the usual idiocy of 'immutability' and 'very large numbers of hardware-scheduled threads' etc
phf: i think thread half heartedly mentioned dataflow (via verilog/vhdl), but by the time i saw it my attention waned
asciilifeform: verilog etc have approx as much to do with general-purpose dataflow as arm-flapping has to do with aviation.
phf: asciilifeform: long work week?
mircea_popescu: Nelson H. F. Beebe beebe at math.utah.edu Wed Jun 27 03:54:24 AEST 2018 << these fuckwards are seriously on pipermail ? in 2018 ?!
mircea_popescu: !!rate beebe -10 fuck you.
deedbot: beebe is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: obviously.
mircea_popescu: aaan in today's lulz, "Let me say from the onset that I am a 47-year-old African-American male, with one child, a few small businesses and have been married for twelve years to a wonderful wife—all the things a man could hope for in a life. Did I mention that my wife recently told me that I have been in an “open marriage” for three years?"
mircea_popescu: via returnofcucks.com
mircea_popescu: "I do not come to you as an angry and jealous husband. I come to you as a man, who, after consulting with over twenty male friends in my age group (35 to 50), discovered that almost all of them have experienced the same problem."
asciilifeform: wtf is pipermail anyway
mircea_popescu: http://www.returnofkings.com/32644/the-rising-epidemic-of-cheating-wives-who-want-freedom << whole thing pretty fucking hysterical, actually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mailing list thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, " You can hear the depth of the remaining scar in his voice as he spoke."
mircea_popescu: all these insufferable fucktards, "working class" (perhaps best represented by the "persona civile...degli ani 70" Giulio Basletti character in http://trilema.com/2017/romanzo-popolare/ ). who figured the "one guy-one gal" thing works in the sense that they'll get a gal, and she'll be the sort of gal i get, hot and slavishly dedicated.
mircea_popescu: and then one man-one job, in the sense that they'll get a job, and it'll pay about 100x what they're worth, because what, they're not africans, they're civilised men.
mircea_popescu: except they're not, holy shit, working class is dead. if it ever was fucking alive, ever. they get to gift me their daugther in the hope she dun fucking starve, what the fuck.
asciilifeform: lol civilized
mircea_popescu: this is what they thought.
mircea_popescu: two if not three generations of these repugnant fuckwads, thought "they have rights" in the sense of "to a decent life", in the sense of "you provide us a tight cunt and a warm place to shit in".
mircea_popescu: i kid you not, unbelievable as it may sound, it was their idea.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-30#1830919 << asciilifeform has, roughly speaking , 7day week. but you prolly knew that.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-30 15:12 phf: asciilifeform: long work week?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't picture aquarium fish having 'idea'
asciilifeform: ( can have, perhaps, 'where is the food?! is the feeder jammed or wat' , but that's the limit )
mircea_popescu: this is what the "working man" notion was all about.
mircea_popescu: "hey, if we band together, maybe we can re-enact the glory days of the praetorian guard ?!"
mircea_popescu: somehow nobody told the fuckers that was an epiphenomenon of dying wealthy state.
asciilifeform: speaking of which, almost all of asciilifeform's neighbours, are nao scrap dealers
asciilifeform: it's the new, hot thing...
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: trucks loading, unloading, from dawn to ~midnight nao
asciilifeform: vehehehery su-'90s
mircea_popescu: as the man said, "If you would have asked me to write about this subject ten years ago, you could have as easily been asking me to write in hieroglyphics, charting the constellation of our galaxy. Unfortunately, "
mircea_popescu: "the rapid onset inconceivable", here as everywhere the sure witness of overwroughgt imbecility.
asciilifeform: 1 d00d separates the iron from plastic in old fridges, with hammers, all day, erry day, his 5 chillunz helping
mircea_popescu: recall a time when that'd have been better done in a plant ?
asciilifeform: ( ~commercial~ fridges. konsoomer crapola has ~0 iron )
mircea_popescu: "1 d00d adds numbers, all day, with paper, childrens helping..."
asciilifeform: lol
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830389 -> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697886
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 23:01 mircea_popescu: in less lofty matters, do you happ[en to recall where the fuck i said essentially "women are the societal scar tissue, by the time males start leaving a field and women start joining it, it's fucked" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 19:26 mircea_popescu: and of course as women are the social scar tissue, this is going to end up with yet another "oh, it's THEIR fault!!!", like every historical case to date.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 'plant' nowadays there are 'workers' with 'rights', tax is paid, they demand to see passports, the whole nonsense.
asciilifeform: whereas here it's 'spanish' d00d , doing plain old work, all day, erry day.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman bwahaha.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a trilema article/group, honestly, this item was summarizing.
diana_coman: well, it already happened to me a couple of times before to think I read something on trilema but find instead that it was on #trilema
diana_coman: but other than that I'd say it is indeed sprinkled (if not in those words) in a few articles, not grouped though
mircea_popescu: shame on me for being sloppy.
mircea_popescu: and thank you!
diana_coman: np
asciilifeform: in other sapir-mircea_popescu-whorf-isms, seems like in ye olde 'нохчи мотт' , not only nouns, verbs, but even 'to be' is gendered
mircea_popescu: ofcourseitis.
asciilifeform: pretty riotous sov-era b00k, also, e.g., 'after great october revolution, it became a troo literary lang, we even translated the classics of marxism-leninism...' etc
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: "true literary language means it has a translated version of the logs"
asciilifeform: pretty much
mircea_popescu: you know it's whorf btw.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: sooo i just spent five minutes watching naked girl (well, except for the gloves) fight grease spots on floor.
mircea_popescu: i love my life.
diana_coman: that sounds like an euloran scene
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the grease spots, for the record, were from where i oiled the large wooden spanking spoon. so very kafka-craftian indeed.
diana_coman: ahahah, now that instantly created this image of mircea-yaga with an apron and the huge spanking spoon
mircea_popescu: accurate, i got this troll's beard...
mircea_popescu: what;s your implement of infantile domestic discipline anyway ? cuz can always tell junior, "in costa rica they got spanking spoons that stand taller than you!"
diana_coman: ahaha; at his 5 years of age, I can use hand no problem
mircea_popescu: most people prefer a designated implement so as to not threaten kid with themselves.
mircea_popescu: splitting, it's a thing.
asciilifeform: traditional, army belt, compleet with star
phf has memories of the army belt with star, applied
mircea_popescu: ha. that was teh golden standard for that whole slice of the globe huh
mircea_popescu: ahhh this whinerticle is so much fun. "My friends and I have all come to realize that the financial cost for infidelity is usually always borne on the man. "
mircea_popescu: guess what, my friends and i have mostly come to agree that the sort of dork who says "usually always" belongs in someone's basement anyway.
mircea_popescu: "What is important, though; is that it’s not women’s fault. It’s not like they have changed. Women always have, always will do what they believe those they consider alpha wants them to do. That’s all there ever was with them. If they behave in a degenerate, suicidal manner, it’s because that is the signals they are getting up from today’s alphas. Hence, the relevant problem is not how to re-engineer women, but rat
mircea_popescu: her how to re-engineer society so that it gives less opportunity for the degenerate to be elevated to alpha status."
mircea_popescu: fucktards. they're gonna get together and outlaw things! THATLL FIX IT!!11
mircea_popescu: "how could the world have no room for us grunts anymoar!!! NOTPOSSIBRU!!!"
BingoBoingo: And they are lighting fireworks. can smell one dumpter
BingoBoingo: And the celebration seems to have calmed. Smoke smells are fading
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in practical ways and means for the worker's party, https://store.adam4adam.com/inception-fuckhole-sheath_3312.html
lobbes: BingoBoingo: roger that, and ty for confirmation
Mocky: so much butt hurt on that return of kings page. and those ads, lol
mircea_popescu: some epic shit.
asciilifeform: dunno, ~same set of derps have been churning out this ~same thing for over decade nao.
mircea_popescu: more. i think it started as a warrant officer wank/fanfic in the 70s.
mircea_popescu: dependopopotamus comes off this same literary trunk
asciilifeform: i thought it came from their actual life
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, it's blue collar mainstay, "while you're here working the little lady's having you the milkman's kids"

2018-6-29 | 2018-7-1