mircea_popescu: |\n, could you get a nick that's not an absolute pain in the ass to type ?
mircea_popescu: also, register a key already, i'll rate you, then you can self voice.
asciilifeform: ( i dun have high hopes for 'word spreadings' but it is conceivable that somebody, somewhere, is 1) qualified to participate 2) will pull head out of arse for long enuff to actually do it )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-07 02:21 trinque: Mocky: I'll have something for you to try out in a few days, if you like.
trinque: Mocky: the item from my original post builds again. I've yet to finish gathering everything required by the base system into a genesis vpatch, but that's next in the process. among them, I need to bring in ave1's gcc.
trinque: I will update my original post with the former soon as I'm able, maybe tonight. that won't be "cuntoo", but it'll be enough to get assistance from other folks such as yourself to bring it to completion
asciilifeform: ( tldr -- d00d tries, naturally fails, to invent the republic )
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is an entomological connoisseur of 'clever fella tries to invent tmsr but fails on account of defective priors' artifacts. it's sorta like watching intelligent shaman try to build radio using voodoo doll action-at-a-distance, what to expect, fella never heard of electric fields , 'work with what i have!' )
lobbes: Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and say essentially "horde of sybils are okay, as long as each sybil pays subscription fee of $100"
asciilifeform: e.g. the alchemists, also got quite a few points 'right'.
asciilifeform: dutch had not 1 but 2 successful, by internal measures, careers in the belly of the inca ( prof. of geology in 20th c usa , and sgt in army ) , manages to combine cult of centrally-administered 'ordnung' and lip service to 'private property' without any apparent mental friction
asciilifeform: 'homo picketfenceicus' or how did mircea_popescu describe these.
asciilifeform: lol i mean d00d was able to log in, knows how to set nick!11 must know ~something~..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, lobbes you're more patient than me. the only way i can interpret the sort of behaviour is in the bdsm terminology, as brats. and i can't fucking stand brats, not to mention they're the essential pinnacle of idiocy, "i know it dun work but it's more important that it's my dumb idea than that it works".
asciilifeform: who knows, maybe guestop is a master burglar , can go and pinch for us that privkey
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to shaman on deserted island / 5k years ago. it's another thing to moron (literally, the john smith followers, the original morons) in 1910.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, was talking re dutch/locklin/whatever horde of these literate imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: this "ima write poems in chuchka because russian too hard to learn" sorta bs really gets my goat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've found that some septagenarian u.s. academics are moar shaman than smith, do have some measure of native intellect that can be knocked out , potentially, of its inca track
mircea_popescu: in my (admittedly, extremely extensive) experience, the only predictor of success is age. 20yo "domme" or "brat" or whatever can make perfectly fine slavegirl and thereby exist and matter. 30yo "submissive", can't.
asciilifeform: hey wasn't it a mircea_popescu article where 'let's not cult of youth'
mircea_popescu: entirely conceivable. who's to know the alternative futures. but the point stands -- the only thing i see when i see one of these old nothings is, "here's a hole you can pour sweat into forever"
asciilifeform: however asciilifeform's measured suspicion is that the hypothetical clueful reverser is moar likely to resemble trinque's d00d than a 20 y.o. douchebag .
mircea_popescu: because this is how they age -- they become ever more elaborate in their idiocy. THIS is the deep meaning of "Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and" : he didn't get anything right.
mircea_popescu: grudgingly including bits that he doesn't want to exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that matter is extremely hard to discern.
mircea_popescu: but let's model this properly, for the sake of record :
mircea_popescu: idiot (I) consists of ordered list (L) of statement trees (Ti). each individual statement in each tree is either true or false ; relatedly to this, every tree is either solid or nonsense.
mircea_popescu: aging in the wild, in this model, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of individual Ts in that L grows, so as to avoid removing any of the initial Ts.
mircea_popescu: aging in the republic, contrarywise, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of some Ts shrinks, so as to remove as many Ts and T elements as possible.
mircea_popescu: these processes both directly mimic the evolution of software in empire and republic ; and directly illustrate the problem : aging is a net negative for they outside the republic. it ~decreases~ their value, monotonically, irrespective of any other considerations.
mircea_popescu: the more they spend "thinking", the more they'll have to spend thinking to get rid of the elaborate elucubrations they came up with ; and not even linearly "the more", i'm affraid it's exponential.
asciilifeform: naggum's 'read only brains' , as valuable when aged as a burnt 2007 debian iso
mircea_popescu: and so this is the deep root of what i mean when i say "he didn't get anything right" : the ~only reason~ he included $republican-item in his soup is to support some other batshit insanity ; it's not a root but a frill for him -- as proven by the fact that were it root, it'd have rid him of the batshit he aims to hang on it.
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the moment the idiocy he is protecting goes away, so goes away his perceived need for whatever "he got right" and there you sit, wondering, "hey, i taught you this a year ago, where did it go ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you where : bitch only "learned" it to protect something else thereby.
asciilifeform: well he wants , roughly, the effect ( 'get my 1972 academy of sciences again' or the like) but has no possibly correct priors on which to work. hence shaman's radio.
mircea_popescu: and therein is the problem entire : he wants, and thereby he can never escape the inca. let him want somewhere else, he's soiling my floors.
asciilifeform: what , in the abstract, does he want, that mircea_popescu finds intrinsically retarded ?
asciilifeform: ( i can name example, but curious re what mircea_popescu has in mind )
mircea_popescu: the fact that he wants, i find intrinsically retarded.
asciilifeform: he's not the 1st, nor last, to admit to wishing for a pre-1993 net
mircea_popescu: it's anotehr thing to "shit, this train's going the wrong way"
mircea_popescu: it's quite another thing to wants ; and yes, he definitely wants, because if he didn't he'd just proceed from cause and would have been here begging his pardons upon the first time he read the logs, rather than fail to do so the 500th.
asciilifeform: chukcha shaman is not lost soul because he wants to communicate over 100km distance, he's a lost soul because he hasn't heard of hertz or maxwell's or at all touched the relevant material
mircea_popescu: no, he's lost soul because he wants to communicate. that upon so wanting he then proceeds to "sate" that want "as best can be done" is not even separable.
mircea_popescu: the only correct approach is "i couldn't give less of a shit about all of it and what's this do ?!"
asciilifeform: weren't as recently as yesterday, the thread re btc exchange rates, that we're a fairly small target in fairly large galaxy ?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing ~creative~ here, in the meaning of creative of "you gotta say 39834908503485093485 and you'll never manage this magic number by trying numbers".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, large galaxy ; dood was repeatedly linked from here etc. gimme a break, he knows.
mircea_popescu: the other fucktard in the class was periodically whining his idiocy at me, if i recall.
asciilifeform: he certainly knows nao, i left him a few comments, lol
mircea_popescu: "never heard of allah" is a bit of a joke. got wikipedia, amirite.
mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit.
mircea_popescu: what, is the proposition that i'm some kind of genius ?
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why i sometimes try and apply the excavator to other folx. but it to date always ended the same uninteresting way, and the most parsimonious hypothesis re why is afaik mircea_popescu's
asciilifeform: trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation)
mircea_popescu: anyway, no shortage of examples, trinque came in, asked specific questions, got specific answers, blew his mind away, changed his nick.
asciilifeform: ( to complete the lulzpic earlier -- by the time asciilifeform figured out how to pump in candidate-headers and pump out solved nonce strictly via the intact jtag header , diff was already up in the sky )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has lengthy personal history of traveling expensive, painful dead ends, and hence somewhat sympathetic to figures like dutch
lobbes: Hell, I came in and started reading logs in mid 2014. Took me damn near 2 years to grok what I was reading and finally produce something useful
lobbes: Lucky for me, my Ti branches were easy to prune: I simply had to grow a shit-ton of Ts
asciilifeform: lobbes: i suspect that mircea_popescu nails it, prolly unlikely that anybody will ever overcome the radiation damage from being 70 y.o. and collecting usg pensions
asciilifeform: it's rather like asking hiroshima surviver to complete in olympiad
asciilifeform: ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , asciilifeform does not believe that dutch was necessarily a defective 20 y.o. )
mircea_popescu: wolf-child, incapable of speech, is also not thereby necessarily "was retarded 2yo".
mircea_popescu: point is, when he was 2yo he didn't use his brain in the manner of people ; but in the manner of wolves. that window of brain plasticity meanwhile closed, and if he'll never be a very good wolf, he's certainly not getting to enroll to people university.
mircea_popescu: and so is dutch stuck with the academia. and so is boring-40yo stuck with "her family". and so on.
mircea_popescu: when we originally met, chet was more than twice my age. she got a divorce and moved to romania of all places. so no, it's not impossible. but then again, the chain of possibility is an ~unbroken~ thing, much like the chain of blocks or the chain of trust.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824840 << why not save that shit for oh, iono, the DMV? do you tell the fucking IRS "i'll get to it when i get to it"? no, you stand in line/wait on hold for three hours, thrilled as fuck to say "urr, hurr, yes sir" at the endless tide of bullshit, then come here and practice what you should've said to them, to us? completely fucking misdirected.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 01:55 cnomad: i'll get to it when i get to it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some folx are loose enuff in the glue trap that energetic particle can knock'em out of it
mircea_popescu: hanbot, ikr ? somehow this never occurs to the idiots.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, woman even said this somewhere, i dun recall where, possibly on one of her meanwhile disappeared blogs, that "i used to think my walls were white then you sat there and against your shirt they looked grey".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not know where originally written, but it was reproduced in your obit
mircea_popescu: what loose what glue trap ? you're either looking or you're not looking ; and if you're not looking a) age dun improve anything and b) god himself riding on a pogo stick can'd help you.
ben_vulpes: "the stockholm international arbitration court cancelled retroactively the take-or-pay clause forseen in the 2009 contract with Russia's Gazprom"
ben_vulpes: "While the rulings of the Stockholm court were not made public...Naftogaz managed to avoid Gazprom's major claim ... almost 60% of Ukraine's GDP", so is this "the poor ukranians can't actually even pay the penalty, so we're cancelling the clause"?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the ukrs get ~phree fuel, for 'reasons'
asciilifeform: observe that lolmart does not hand out food for 100% phree, either
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a great deal of 'inside wank' in re mechanics of urkdom; for instance, a number of sov-era factories, producing e.g. rocketry gear, were stranded on wrong side of the border on independence day; and it took a rather long time to complete (afaik, it's largely complete) the process of replacing their goodies with ru-local production
asciilifeform: ( until 2014-present round of ukrwank, there was not particularly large incentive to do said replacement , trade ~worked )
asciilifeform: ru remains by and large the ~only trading partner of the ukrs (~nobody else wants any of their shit even for free)
asciilifeform: for a while they have passable chocolate (roshen corp, having privatized su-era confectionaries) but today even it is inedible, having finally gone full bore soy crapola
asciilifeform: the rocket nozzle etc. plants , from what i hear, are in full throttle 'termite hollowing' mode as we speak, being sawed apart and carted away by various foreigners for fire sale prices
asciilifeform: ( the time for ben_vulpes to go there, and maybe do some hunting, is prolly nao or never )