asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: more specifically? are you working with the iron from cr50 article?
loper_os_cr50_: Not working yet that would be pretentious. Sick of dirty chip and code. Search for pure trust and control over the machine. Have yet to learn a lot before starting to work. For now I read.
mircea_popescu: if he hadn't heard of the third reich instrument of surrender he'd be going around his village singing "tomorrow belongs to me". as it is, he derps on the periphery of google. if he realised tmsr owns the world he'd be "community organizing" for you. and so on.
asciilifeform: the hilarious bit is that the published src has 100% of the lulz out in plain daylight. incl, e.g., the bootrom-writeprotect override function in cr50, the magic pubkeys, the bit that turns wireless on during idle, etc
asciilifeform: the 'of course you can't have SEKOORITY without goldenkeys!', 'prove! nsa involved!', etc derps, all awoken from under their rocks, working.
Mocky: it's eye opening for me to see how it looks from this side where asciilifeform exposes obvious stench which is met with chorus of 'nah, it smells good'. apparently 'till now I've been the local, ala: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822065
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 16:51 mircea_popescu: well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight.
mircea_popescu: but, amusingly enough, the conversation with the chick who thought herself a domme controls here! imagine that, you know, sex determining matters scientific, how unfair and improper and in breach of implicit promises made by the "civilisation" of tedious old women.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 17:55 asciilifeform: lovingly hand-crafted.
apt-get: Well, I don't know if my political leanings would necessarily imply going to such lengths as described in that manifesto, but I am indeed supportive of any attempt to free computing from the proprietary and government boulders placing themselves between the user and the product.
mircea_popescu: the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible.
mircea_popescu: if the priors are anything like a) "anyone should have access to computers" and b) "to use as they see fit", you'll be back to some kind of nsa fritz chip in very short order, especially if you're committed to equalitarian socialism (or, "democracy", to use the in-universe names)
apt-get: I suppose such conditions could be theoretically enforced in a democratic system... but it would imply making the general populace to both be aware and feel threatened by these issues, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, practically speaking.
mircea_popescu: seems perfectly aware and very very fucking threatened to me, lol.
mircea_popescu: can't apply livresque standards of awareness to the herd, they're not human in that sense. you believe cattle is aware of electified fence, even if no cow ever sat down with you and stated as much over beers and buffalo wings.
mircea_popescu: same thing here, by purely behavioural standards they're as aware as could be.
mircea_popescu: otherwise they wouldn't go about pretending like they believe google is in any way different from groupon, a purely imaginary, 100% paper construction.
apt-get: convenience of usability will always trump freedom when it comes to these things, which is why you don't see minifree or purism making bank on their libre hardware.
mircea_popescu: except the part where the convenience of doing stupid thing is just as inconvenient as anything.
esthlos: ^^ I'm curious what folx think of the above. Reading through the logs, FFA, etc., I've realized how little I know. So I'm thinking that I'll have to devote the majority of my effort to learning the ropes wrt computing before I can pull my weight in here. Does this make sense?
asciilifeform: ( until i got'em trimmed in, 'suzy' worked 'every other time' )
asciilifeform: while we're on the subj, i find it interesting how both google and intel ( and by extension, all new mb makers ) finessed the problem of 'terrorists will epoxy usb ports closed' -- nao usg can get 'airport quickie' root through a hole that you cannot cement, because the box charges ~only~ from it
asciilifeform: ( this is the case in, e.g., all new crapple boxen )
esthlos: is it possible to trash the non-power pins?
asciilifeform: the 'go and cut pins' thing will ~work for certain purposes, but in the very near term it will become entirely unproductive -- they are moving the whole orchestra into single chip. ( e.g. crapple is ~already there. )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 18:26 mircea_popescu: the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible.
asciilifeform: prolly at some point i gotta write a 'NOBUS likbez' re the fundamental motivations ( they are not difficult to discern , but apparently entirely opaque to the herd , even when you exclude the willingly blind )
asciilifeform: it is probably impossible to educate the willingly thick, however, who ~actually~ see a box with NOBUS master keys as 'moar secure than with no keys'. these, will only wake up when they're sitting in kangaroo court , and confessing to 'child porn'
asciilifeform: 'bbbut i left box in hotel just for 10 min, and surely google would never..'
asciilifeform: and prolly they will sit in front of same judge who earlier nodded to 'tor devs would never', etc.
asciilifeform: another interesting tidbit : cr50 vendor fw will conveniently checksum the ec and ap(bootloader) fw. BUT not without goldenkey. wouldn't want terrorists testing for fw modification, see.
asciilifeform: plebe wants to checksum the ec fw ? gotta solder a dozen probes under microscope.
asciilifeform: and this will work until they move the whole fw orchestra into cr50. which is on the planned 'feature' list already for next rev.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in choice redditisms : 'I used to work as a security researcher - if I thought this subject was interesting I'd have to look for another source talking about the same thing because there's no way in hell it'd be acceptable to reference this level of unprofessionalism in a conference or to my superiors.'