a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of what
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 04:25 hanbot: phf et al: attempted to press latest vtools to the keccak head. v (mod6's) reports vtools_vpatch_newline not in flow, neither its antecedent vtools_fixes_static_tohex, despite both patches and (verified good) sigs present (they neither show up via flow command). v will press to vtools_vpatch.vpatch, but no further. see http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oNRhE/?raw=true .
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall us discussing the matter of graphing and my saying "hang on, phf is about to write one then you can import it", but not worth spelunking for it right now.
esthlos: esthlos-v doesn't touch on (a); I was indeed waiting for standardized philosophy file format. (b) I will test
trinque: considering that there may be other lisp programs that want to use this as a dependency, it'd be really nice if instead of returning nils, printing strings, you returned a list of vpatch objects.
trinque: thing needs to be refactored with that in mind
trinque: you then take that item and make it read console args, print to screen, whatever
trinque: make something that eats, processes, and returns sane datastructures first
esthlos: I was thinking of replacing the CLOS with records, or possibly just sexprs
trinque: I'll digest more and probably have more proposals for ya, but will get my hands into the code myself too, and we'll get a genesis of this put together.
asciilifeform: i will note, in case it wasn't obvious earlier : folx who previously were refraining from linking phuctor somewhere on account of 'how could it take the heat' are nao invited to open the throttle.
asciilifeform: ( i have nfi whether anyone was holding out for the cured db; but will for the record note : the time -- has come. )
trinque: pretty cool asciilifeform, site is very zippy
mircea_popescu: tbh i'm very happy to have this item back, i can now search for keys again!
asciilifeform: ty to trinque , phf , mircea_popescu , the folx who gave asciilifeform sqltronics hints.
mod6: The Exalted Great Lord Me etcetera You're too old for me, sorry. << lmao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme know if you find anything other than the stats page ( still O(N) for nao ) that's >1s to load.
mircea_popescu: and yes now it feels like it's an actual republican item rather than ductape-and-windoze press a key and go draw a bath.
asciilifeform: same point as the debian keys. ( the latter are , what, 90+% of our pops to date )
asciilifeform: iirc i originally introduced phuctor as 'catalogue of rsa keys which are inexpensively breakable'. for said formulation it does not matter precisely ~how~, if tomorrow i conceive of a wholly novel inexpensive break, i will apply it to phuctor with the others ( as i applied classical methods, gcd, bernsteinistic gcd, fermat, ( in the worx...) lenstra , etc . )
asciilifeform: hey Framedragger ! ask the sea goddess to letcha go on shore leave! or wherever heaven or hell yer stuck in.
asciilifeform: at the current pace, 100% of 2016-Framedragger collection will be eaten by next thurs.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, never before in its history of imbecility with a side serving of bald face lying, was the empire plainly humiliated on public, permanent record by manifestly superior intellectual force.
mircea_popescu: brought to a close some happy decades of self-flattering delusion inaugurated by the berlin wall moment.
mircea_popescu: still worth a retrospective chuckle, just how fucking unprepared they were for it.
asciilifeform: dunno, looked as prepared as they ever get, had the myrmidons ready, the 'why japanese toilets haven't conquered america' replacement article thing at button's push, etc neh
asciilifeform: debug of herr boeck, grade-a imperial политтехнолог ( how does that even go in engl ? )
mircea_popescu: you'd of course expect usg.nsa ie the department of scientifically socialistic-flavoured numbers have ampler resources at its disposal than a shoestring sexploitation outfit in canuckistan.
ben_vulpes: everyone atop their own imagined battlements
mircea_popescu: in this case, they have a point. are you aware 2/3 of potential slavegirls' first and foremost concern is "muh college debts" ?
mircea_popescu: they're uniquely dazed once i explain as sovereign over the usg crapolade, i actually have the power to unilaterally forgive that for them.
mircea_popescu: this sort of earthshattering dark magicks are ~exactly~ what the fat ugly ones fear, if generally unconsciously.
mircea_popescu: not to mention, of course, the beta bois of the "hi i r 20yo webisite-DOMINANT!!!" flavour. "seriously, it's either she comes live in my messy studio apartment and we scrounge for rent and beefeather, or else you just forgive her college debt for her ?! SHIT." resulting in some very teary-teared butts beseeching "respect for dynamics" and other such goange.
mircea_popescu: because totally, i'll be supporting their larping, why the hell not o.O
mircea_popescu: all the hurr durr about "gender equality" is hysterically misdirected. there's a fucking reason any lamb you ever ate was MALE ; and the human herd is just about reached that threshold. nevermind "help women" -- the ones that fucking need gender equality are the bois ; otherwise they can be slaugthered tomorrow without anyone even fucking noticing.
mircea_popescu: which is why it became a "part of the conversation" in the first place.
mircea_popescu: that ~nobody seems to notice~ is the height of involuntary comedy, though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, of course they do. but the nature of the beast is that they're so fucking unnatural, it's more "sensible" by their lights that the shaman made the sun rise than to simply accept sun fucking rises on its own.
asciilifeform: re : phuctor : this is approx what i expected. incidentally , the bottleneck is ~still~ in inputting keys, rather than crunching'em ( they all get crunched at once, and it takes about 45min from start to finish, erry time ) . however no longer much of a bottleneck, all of the remaining Framedragger archive should be done by... saturday night, at current rate
asciilifeform: ( perhaps after this, we'll do an sks refresh, high time for one, last time was in 2015 )
asciilifeform: ( where it is nao : parcel 10 of 13 is 1/2 way in; each parcel holds ~800k keyz )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem is rather, that it makes too many lines. have it rss a single thing each interval : "x keys broken".
mircea_popescu: there's no objective need it should do two dozen items each 9 minutes. could just do a count.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only interesting part is actually trinque-generated : the reverse-dns'd hostname of the ip ( e.g. olivetti.it )
mircea_popescu: i guess it could do that then : "x keys broken the past 9 minutes, ssh 5 (olivetti.it, blabla.dot) ; sks 3."
asciilifeform: trinque: pheature request : tune the rss eater so that if phuctured pop matches the Framedragger pattern , prints as mircea_popescu described; but otherwise (say, classical pgp key pops) the full shebang.
trinque: eh no, I'm not continuing to "optimizing compiler" on my end for this thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, not supposed to "tune the eater" ; supposed to tune what you put in the rss feed.
asciilifeform: i haven't the first clue currently how to even implement the current trinque functionality ( hostname ) in the feed
asciilifeform: ^ i think this is all ( or nearly all ) for this shot. i've paused the cron, until further notice
mircea_popescu: the sad make-up of reality -- success is its own punishment also ;/
asciilifeform: thing is, after the Framedragger-2016 archive is eaten, these will be rare again
mircea_popescu: seriously asciilifeform dun take it the wrong way / be discouraged. it's great, so great in fact we can afford the luxury of refinement. while no one else has as much as the lines, we can thumb our noses and only deem the count worthy of insertion. if this isn't luxury i don't know what is.
asciilifeform: sorta why i suggest to allocate a night with low activity , to shit'em all out in 1 go
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-05-03 18:07:03: <mircea_popescu> tell you what, i'll buy you shared hosting on pizarro's server for the rest of the year, you get a blog up there and publish the foregoing. how about that ?
ben_vulpes: still going to make folks get in the wot though, right?
mircea_popescu: Mocky, you can self-voice, say !!up to deedbot in a pm
mod6: I think it would be best, plus, then you can invoice them the republican way.
mod6: douchebag has shown that any rock-head can get in the wot.
ben_vulpes: UY1 is currently an 'l2 only' tool, so definitionally everyone's gotta be at least gotta have a newblood rating
asciilifeform: btw i'd rather learn the answer to this nao than later, so will ask, does mircea_popescu want to give a list of folx other than adlai whose money aint welcome ? or is this list identical to folx he's negrated; or some other formula.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the original (and not at all irrelevant or minor discussion, either) : the rule could be "anyone who anyone negrated", with the caveat of course that if we ~want~ to host them and you ~don't~ un-negrate them you might get negrated yourself as the proximate solution.
asciilifeform suspects that our graph for this is not acyclic atm
mircea_popescu: i can for instance cleanly see the case where guy not-in-l1 has a powerful neg on some rando ; i can also see the case where petty bickering among say irl acquaintances will be reduced to silence under wot pressure. and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's why it's human handled, because no guarantee of aciclicity can be produced.
asciilifeform: also prolly should make explicit, that heathens who colocate iron and terminate (through whatever reason) account, must pay the cost of transporting it back, should they wish to regain it
trinque: ftr this is how I've considered implementing wot controls more tightly for the wallet. bad standing == all you can do is withdraw, and better do it quick.
mod6: think we'll have to ensure that we look at all heathen wots very closely.
asciilifeform: mod6: heathen wots aren't particularly worth the paper they're written on imho
mircea_popescu: trinque, i can see it. another way would be to require everyone to register a bitcoin address, autoflush to that if need be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i dunno that has to be mentioned really. but sure, if you want to.
asciilifeform: speaking of which : ben_vulpes , you should have a qty of usb-ttl cables in your inventory, that came with your FG deal; plz mail a dozen of them to BingoBoingo ( with invoice from shitazon re their cost; even if he gets hit with import tax, should add up to maybe tenbux )
asciilifeform: incidentally mircea_popescu if you know of suitable shops in buenos aires -- apparently they've cancelled the 'us passport entry fee' nonsense, so BingoBoingo could potentially go on the boat and do a supply run there.
mircea_popescu: i'm humoring his add lonely young male style for unknown reasons.
mircea_popescu: douchebag, phuctor is a rsa super-collider, it uses some advanced maths to try and factor rsa keys. so far managed to factor about 2000. it needs to be fed, moduli. which is what you'd be doing, looking for all rsa moduli known to the internet. you understand what rsa is and how it works, what a modulus is, what N is and so on yes ? (if no -- straight to the library with you).
ben_vulpes: so douchebag i set you up with a rockchip, what, thirteen days ago? assuming trinque is going to grace you the period until you had with what you claim you needed to do the promised research (which...mmmk), clock is fuckin tickin
ben_vulpes: keep on with the lonely young male routine nobody's going to know that you've done anything until you show up on day 28 with lord only knows what
asciilifeform: ( to clarify ftr : a 'dupe mod' ( listed under /dupes ) is a mod that occurs in two or more distinct (hashwise, rather than fpwise, tho distinct fp is also possible on account of variant exponent under constant mod) pgp keyz.
asciilifeform: when dupe mod is met with for a mod which has been previously phuctored, this registers as a 'broken key' event -- despite not being a 'new broken mod' event. this is correct operation. )
asciilifeform: unrelated to anything specific , has mircea_popescu or other folx contemplated a tmsr www search machine ? because, potentially now there is a place for it to live
asciilifeform: ( a google-like 'index every flea on every mouse in every sewer' would be both infeasible and pointless; i was picturing something moar refined, e.g. 'N levels from roots provided by L2' )