mircea_popescu: anyway, seems to me the piece is pure wank, "here's things i say about women i supposedly fucked in the hope anyone reading thinks i ever get laid".
mircea_popescu: dude suffered for a while from this "i don't wanna X!!!" syndrome, as if anyone was in any danger of asking anything like it. "i don't wanna go to the prom!!!" "fatty... who's asking you to ?!"
asciilifeform: i was not able to extract sense from it, reads like pure spamola
asciilifeform: bonus: the item he linked as dayjob, is ~indistinguishable from dogecoin
asciilifeform: ( crackpot browser with micropay-somethingorother built in )
asciilifeform: bonuslulz : 'I’d posit that any blockchain type who can’t find productive employment on socially useful projects or isn’t in danger of financial independence either doesn’t feel like working, doesn’t care about money or doesn’t actually know anything about blockchain. In the former cases you can’t recruit them, and in the latter case, you really shouldn’t.'
Guest51392: Logged on 2013-04-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: i wonder if he learns by it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how are they to ~stay~ in the state ? see, that's the thing, "free floating hydrogen" as a theoretical possibility. sure, why not. "free floating hydrogen as a STABLE STATE"... well... no such theoretical possibility. it can't be a stable state for very clear reasons.
mircea_popescu: in vitro, purified virus is essentially a large molecule, as inert as salt. in vivo... what do you mean purified, and what do you mean inert.
mircea_popescu: either it's in the process of killing the host or else in the process of getting pissed out ; there's no third.
asciilifeform: the h can float for a while; it isn't as if intelligent heathen will find mircea_popescu by reading arsebook/nyt/whichever volkischer beobachter
Guest51392: Logged on 2018-05-23 17:26 mircea_popescu: if and only if everyone's in chains, then and then only can you be entirely sure nobody's linked two z80 chips together and cycling "alf is a pooperhead" back and forth between them.
asciilifeform late evening, listening to elderly ukrs derp on shortwave re horror of their neet chillunz derping on ipnojes; where to read re antennae design; putin.
mircea_popescu: (re hydrogen, for the young'uns : the only stable state in material system of universe is black hole. which is why black hole is even important theoretically -- universe having stable state means it won't last)
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : most large black holes have average densities lower than water. anyone care to explain why, as a 5th grade geometry olympiad problem ?
Mocky: my guess is due to large volume of event horizon
Guest51392: Logged on 2017-11-08 14:30 mircea_popescu: build vacupack units, keep them fed with biomaterial (plastic, schmucks), dump the results at sea. a 100tdw ship should be able to carry 1mn of the shitheads at a time.
Mocky: I've noticed lately that google has some results that it damn well doesn't want to give me... all the results say "missing search term" for what ever I searched for, even when I put a + infront. but it *has* my results and if i repeat the search term 3 or for times in the query eventually relents and shows me
danielpbarron: don't black holes emit radiation? and does that make them not stable?
Mocky: like the search term was just a mild suggestion, will show if feels like it, or better yet ad from sponsor
mircea_popescu: Mocky, you realise, everyone's model revolves around wrapping zeks. it's just that the democrats are (mostly, unexamiedly) partialists while we're absolutists.
lobbes: In other "the logs had it first", I just investigated a barf I received on an emerge and exclaimed "who are these firstname.lastname@example.org that are masking gcc < 5.4??". I must've missed this thread entirely >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761183
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we're doing astrophysics : the largest conceivable power plant / ecological disaster would be, of course, collapsing galactic objects (ie, stars) into galaxy cores (ie, black holes, practically). for instance, pushing the sun into saggitarius would conceivably yield a gross of about 10^40 or so J in a relatively short timespan. certainly wouldn't cost as much. (an intermediate step to this being http://trile
danielpbarron: not only. there are supposed to be particle + anti-particle pairs showing up all over space, in most cases instantly colliding to produce energy for the next pair to form, except when spawned on the event horizon and only one falls in
Mocky: i'm not seeing the partial seems like trying full integration
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, that is powered by the black star's angular mommentum. only noob black stars have any angular mommentum
mircea_popescu: (in fact, the predicate for "Get a lot of mass in a little bit of volume" is entirely "push out a whole lot of angular mommentum")
Guest51392: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:22 mircea_popescu: MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don't count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team.
Mocky: fails to account because blinded by fantasy beliefs
mircea_popescu: nah, not at all. fails to account definitionally, that's what it is. the fantasies are empty niche exploitation, coming much later.
mircea_popescu: (sleep is a similar item -- it originally appeared as a learned behaviour to conserve energy and lower capture risk ; as it provided a niche CNS growth parasitized it, and so now oyu need to sleep though your fridge is full and there's no preditors threatening you)
mircea_popescu: just so -- since socialism (or democracy, whatever, no difference between these terms) offers the "we'll ignore half the shit anyway" niche, the fantasy beliefs found a welcoming place to stay.
Mocky: maybe blinded by pretense is a better way to say it then
Guest51392: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817310 << fucking can't have 1600s style "examinations on the doctrine of the faith", chiefly because of goedel's objection. our doctrine is not actually either complete or coherent.
Guest51392: Logged on 2018-05-24 18:22 mircea_popescu: this is the sort of objection that can only be resolved by historians.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, the problem with scotsman fallacy is that there's an unresolved duality. i don't propose that one's a) a scotsman for being born of scottish woman and AT THE SAME TIME b) a scotsman because not an irredeemable asshole. i'm just going with b, and that's logically sound.
mircea_popescu: and there's a healthy helping of http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ in all of this : if your labels are ex-post-facto, you can't futurize on their basis lest you end up like the "global warming" muppets, "projecting" on "data" abvout the past that was extrapolated from the present.
Mocky: that makes it sound like my theory could be proposing that while socialism isn't curable, maybe it can find the ones who "never really were"
mircea_popescu: if you can distinguish between those who are pretending because they're blind already anyway and it costs them nothing to pretend and those who are pretending just to fit in, then yes.
mircea_popescu: but removing the perceived positive value of fit (such as, by publicly burning "consensus" as in the imperial facade, as the republic has done) seems a large step in the right direction.
mircea_popescu: prior to empire-of-idiots colonization in the shape of "sane safe and consensual" nonsense, bdsm world rested squarely on "there's no positive value to social fit". of course it was a lot smaller then.
mircea_popescu: much like the faggots were a lot more numerous before the democratic party invaded them with a bunch of fake faggots.
mircea_popescu: alright. the recently mentioned andrei chikatilo is a textbook model. the man could not achieve an erection with either willing or unwilling partners ; he used stabbing as an erection substitute.
mircea_popescu: this is fetishism, in all cases : a ~substitute~, covering for an absence. a sadist isn't one who slaps the woman around if she talks out of turn ; nor one who enjoys pain and suffering. a sadist is one who can't function normally, and uses a highly structured substitute behaviour. these two factors, in order.
mircea_popescu: the father who can't talk to his son, but enjoys "expressing himself" through their fishing together is just as mentally broken as a proper sadist, just in a different spot of what'd be a normallty working brain.
mircea_popescu: now back to fake homosexuality : human sexuality is a learned behaviour. proper homosexuality is an inability to learn, akin to dyslexia or lefthandedness. fake homosexuality is the exact contrary, a lot of "what if"ism and "provemewrong"ism and so on. a social, rather than biological phenomenon.
Mocky: like that naacp 'leader' who identified as black
mircea_popescu: there's no curiosity about "what it'd be like" to stab people in the sadist ; he arrives at it, through a very personal dysfunctional process. and there's no curiosity about "what it'd be like" to "be black" or "be gay" or etcetera. when's the last time you met an african who was wondering what'd it be like to be born in africa. hurr.
mircea_popescu: (dysfunctional here isn't even a value judgement ; sexuality is a function of anatomy, a portion of phisiology, like breathing. if you're asphyxiating it doesn't follow you're a bad person thereby.)
mircea_popescu: "african-americans" however are universally "curious about what'd it be like", and for the obvious reason : they're about as african as i am.
trinque: these, the identified-as-black, hip-gay, feminist-ally and the rest, always struck me as having missed a developmental stage
mircea_popescu: anyway, prolly worth the mention, since spoke of chikatilo : he originally did two things : stabbed the victims, and enucleated them.
trinque: the one where they get their ass whipped by an adult male for lying
mircea_popescu: once caught, it came out that he was gouging the eyes out ~because "he had heard that the image of killer remains on body's retina"~ ; he stopped, becauise he figured out it's an old wives' tale
mircea_popescu: he somehow ~didn't~ similarily figure about stabbing young girls.
mircea_popescu: violence is extremely effectual at curing high level delusions -- every "princess" reverts to sanity after a stint in the dungeon. it's not particularly effectual at curing lower level issues, beating kids for suttering doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: bedwetting, perhaps the most eminent example towards your line, also doesn't work. though conceivably hanging bedwetters would work, but in the social sense -- be rid of them.
mircea_popescu: though from experience, talking to the kid works actually a whole of a lot better. just, you need to be capable of actual talk. so hanging ~the parents~ may also be effectual.
mircea_popescu: (and no, i don't mean "talk to kids ~anbout bedwetting~, what a stupid fucking subject. i mean take them out for a sundae and do something interesting or other, whatever the spur of the moment provides.)
trinque: hmmm, I can see it. in the personal anecdote, I wasn't overflowing with loyalty for anyone either.
mircea_popescu: previous discussion re leverage with alf aside ; it's a wonder if they can make one man out of 1k of the neets tied together. i have my doubts. so it's not just "need leverage" on this side -- the empire graciously provides anti-leverage out of its own meat.
mircea_popescu: 1000 dollars today, ie one 1985 dollar ; and 1:1mn leverage today, meaning you can do the work of 1k 1985 people.
Guest51392: Logged on 2018-05-24 19:50 mircea_popescu: much like byzantines imagined mongols come over to steal the "true cross" because it's so fucking valuable in their eyes. because how couldn't it be. and so on.
lobbes: plus, reduces cost of keeping status quo for state
lobbes: let fantasy tulpas flourish, fighting imaginary battles for 'purposes'
trinque: seems like whatever "ruling class" the empire has missed a developmental step too
Guest51392: Logged on 2018-05-25 03:58 mircea_popescu: Mocky, you realise, everyone's model revolves around wrapping zeks. it's just that the democrats are (mostly, unexamiedly) partialists while we're absolutists.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, well, if a problem's worth solving, it's worth solving well. neh ?
Guest51392: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:47 mircea_popescu: once you can make 'em it's darn obvious, and before it's impossibru and "vague" and throws fit
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818005 <-- it's a few (2-3?) weeks away from deployability. full report: basic functionality is pretty stable now (cl-feed-parser library was throwing random errors and wasn't fittable-in-head; so I had to replace and rewrite a significant portion of the rss and atom parsing bits). I still need to implement a. self-voicing and b. an access control mechanism.
Guest51392: Logged on 2018-05-24 15:38 trinque: I'd be happy to add it, but spyked, how's your rss bot coming along?
spyked: re a. it's occured to me a few days ago that the bot must maintain +v/-v state so that it doesn't needlessly attempt to talk in-chan before self-voicing. I intend this part to be separate from the rss bot itself and reusable.
spyked: re b. I have a rfc in the works, should be ready for publishing at the beginning of next week. this is also why I haven't disclosed the bot's name and the channel where it operates at the moment, I want to limit access to relevant bot commands to L1 and L2 only.
spyked: now, the reason why this has been taking me so long is that I hoped I would publish the pieces as I went along. but this is harder than it looked, had to write what is now unreadable (other than by myself) prototype, then (point c. on my list) I'll have to rewrite/refactor and then publish. all this despite the fact that this is "known item", not FFA.
ave1: spyked, I've seen this happening many times (the code is done, but ugly, so I cannot publish yet). I geuss there is a general process behind this. At time (a) you need some code, at time (b) you have it but the code is "ugly". At time (c) the code still works and you have little incentive to clean it up. I know only two ways to get less "ugly" code, in the time between (a) and (b) write non "ugly" code. Or at time (c) publish the code and get shamed into s
ave1: I sometimes have it all tought out and then it completely fails on writing the first couple of lines.
ave1: Also, yes, once you write it you may see how it should have been written. But I wonder if this is the first step in an infinite cycle.
ave1: Not that the cycle is not useful and the result at each round better
ave1: BTW how would you do this "I want to limit access to relevant bot commands to L1 and L2 only" ? Check if the nick has voice or download the WOT or can deedbot be queried?
spyked: as far as I can see, this first writing pass exposes incorrect assumptions about e.g. data structures and how they're used. if this keeps happening, then it might be that the problem is larger than the mind can chew on in one take.
spyked: ave1, yeah, querying deedbot is kinda what I had in mind (not sure if it can be avoided). something like
Guest51392: Logged on 2018-05-25 08:59 spyked: re b. I have a rfc in the works, should be ready for publishing at the beginning of next week. this is also why I haven't disclosed the bot's name and the channel where it operates at the moment, I want to limit access to relevant bot commands to L1 and L2 only.
spyked: the rationale is that there are a few O(n) operations involved (e.g. walking through the list of rss feeds) and I don't want every rando landing on Freenode to be able to abuse this (in particular for advertising sent via pm). let 'em get their own rss bot if they wanna.
Mocky: i mean seems like deedbot + voice is already keeping randos from speaking here
spyked: Mocky: methinks users should be able to talk to the bot via PM, e.g. to subscribe to feeds. the bot will permit "private" subscriptions too, iirc mircea_popescu uses this.
phf: asciilifeform: hey, have you had further progress with the chromebook? i'm thinking of replacing my x60 with it, or rather i want to try a portable cuntoo install, without nuking existing setup
asciilifeform: phf: i did find the (quite gnarly) method to replace the built-in rsa keys with mine, and how to sign arbitrary kernels. what i did not do , is to build a proper non-googlistic uboot for it, and flash it in in place of old ( 'sapper errs once' , there doesn't seem to be any spi rom contacts brought out on the mainboard for a 2nd try if fails )
asciilifeform: and yes i also will be replacing my x60 with it, if/when i get the time to finish this to a decent state
asciilifeform: i booted a heathen linux on the thing from the sd card, via the heathen ('press ctrl-d in 10 sec on boot or i format yer disk') nonsense, it ran.
phf: ah i see, yeah i figured it's a drop in replacement, but the uboot bit complicates the matter. uboot i take it is a boot loader, or the kernel also goes in there?
asciilifeform: loader. however google's uboot is annoying , it ~mandatorily~ looks for googlersa-signed kernel. replacing certs with own is pretty easy, but you still end up having to keep google's toolchain around in order to sign kernels, and ugh
asciilifeform: i'd like a normal, built-from-src rockchip uboot for this thing. and i worked over the pcb with magnifying glass and found a buncha debug contacts, some of which almost certainly gotta be spi rom. but -- currently no time to chase this.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 01:07 mod6: baby, i've got a fever.
asciilifeform: and interestingly they published the src for the auxiliary microcontroller (drives kbd, battery, leds, etc) unlike any other lappy maker, and it actually builds
asciilifeform: also interestingly, they published the src for their uboot, it is theoretically possible to scrub the crapola out and rebuild. however i have not succeeded in building it.
phf: so an intermediate step that someone else could perform is to take your rockchip gentoo, generate new rsa pair, sign the kernel with pub, patch google's uboot with priv and get a clean booting rockchip gentoo setup, without accidentally bricking the device? (while still retaining known amount of google in the system)
asciilifeform: phf: werentcha in the middle of a vtron or do i misremember tho
phf: asciilifeform: i'm establishing scope, rather then actually doing anything. firefox on my x60 has an uper limit on tabs i have open, because it runs out of memory, so i started thinking that this ain't no way to live :>
asciilifeform: at any rate it doesn't hurt to put asciilifeform's lulzcollection re subj in the log.
asciilifeform: ^ without some rough idea of what you're looking for, these won't do much good
BingoBoingo: Well, as of last year Uruguay has amateur license classes that allow pumping up to 1500 screaming watts on certain parts of the spectrum
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'legal' shortwave is ~useless , iirc we had the thread.
asciilifeform: i suppose i oughta detail in the logs, in concrete example, for fyootoor ref.
BingoBoingo: Well, the cover content sure, but what about the steganographed stuff.
asciilifeform: you gotta start with asking, what you want out of the thing.
asciilifeform: if it's gossipd transport layer, massively loud sw station is the Wrong Thing ( unless you're mircea_popescu , and have the cannon battery around the mast, and can be arsed )
BingoBoingo: Well, why does anyone do amateur radio? Same reason they post on reddit. They want a hot young wife, and a dog and grandchildren who love them, but they settle for DX'ing and postcards.
asciilifeform: understand that 1000w transmitter is only ~2x as 'loud' as 100w.
BingoBoingo: But it is 10x as much megawatt strategy accomplishing contra the 100 watt station
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i am considering here the tmsr use cases, rather than the old farts chatting about grandchildren use case (the latter already is quite well-documented, folx who are interested in it can simply rtfm)
asciilifeform: to get answer that makes sense in light of prev thread, set 'tx mode' to ft8 ( a commonplace tone modem ), pick two geographies, and notice that even 1W on a quiet illicit band, already gets you 1000km under the right circumstance.
asciilifeform: i'ma make a long thread , shorter, and summarize, it makes considerably moar sense to have smaller, cheaper, unattended 1-10W checks-rsa-and-relays boxen, then massive 'pirate' mast.
BingoBoingo: Well, depends on how the terraforming goes. In the struggle between righteous corrupting forces vs. Moo Cow idiocy it is possible that someone has a commercial 250kw-1mw transmitter delivering the good tidings of TMSR from somewhere in LATAM or Africa.
asciilifeform: i'ma illustrate with picture, the difference in equipment. :
asciilifeform: 1) https://archive.li/nLxLX << this is a chinese 100W sw piratetron. it eats ~150W of mains current, and is the size of a brick, and needs forced air etc. costs about 100 $ , just by itself ( i.e. without whatever gossiptron logic and signal synth you'd have. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you're interested in ~voice~ , as if the year were 1952, look elsewhere, the subj is beaten to death in the literature.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's historic interest in the subj is strictly in re gossipd.
BingoBoingo: Sure. gossipd isn't the only use case. Can't expect the moo cows to report to the reddit bags because they have been issued messages over a gossipd they aren't equipped to use. It's a use case that demands voice and/or video.
asciilifeform: to properly round out the thread, keep in mind that gossip station would need ~receiver~ as well as transmitter (and obviously a comp)
asciilifeform: ideally whole thing would be a FG-sized board that can be potted in epoxy, with pv cells on either side, and hung from a tree in the middle of forest. maybe next decade.
BingoBoingo: My case for the high power station at some point in the future is that Aconcagua is 6962 meters tall and there are plenty of other high peaks in the Andes. There's the seperate gossipd goal of building a robust relay network, and then there's the "wouldn
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back to your hypothetical : humour me, say, to whom wouldja broadcast voice? and for what ?
BingoBoingo: 't it be nice dream to loudly piss over the USG.FCC from down south
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 18:46 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817710 << yes, i seem to make these kind of homonym errors a lot actually, and i reread the sentence every time, but don't see it until the issue is pointed out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: id'd be the local , orc gestapo you'd be pissing on, tho
asciilifeform: ( possibly entirely harmless, or quickly lethal, depending on your orccraft, i suppose )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: id'd be the local , orc gestapo you'd be pissing on, tho << A lot of terraforming and corrupting can happen in 20 years
BingoBoingo: having grandchildren to derp about on shortwave takes time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also know that 'traditional' sw station is a ~very~ expensive pleasure; makes server rack look cheap
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818722, I'm in the last rounds (building gnat-musl using gnat-musl on aarch64). The last part is the slowest (I have one core for it). Also, for some reason the download sites are becoming unstable, I had to change one and it just failed on another.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell douchebag if you think the faux-camwhores approach will work to make a 'backup' identity for self, this time with new flavouring -- 1) it won't 2) drop it 3) this is good road to -10
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: ah, could just as well be some other derp. plenty of solipsists around
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform bit through the camwhores nonsense after shot #3 or so
asciilifeform: trinque: d00d seems to suffer from some bizarre compulsion, to leave the 'am what i am' clue
trinque: if Mocky were here I'd ask him if he sees the problem yet
mircea_popescu: ave1, i'm not advanced enough to make much of a teacher ; but commercial speech is a discipline unto itself. i suppose one approach is to keep track of what seduces you and why ; and others. eventually you end up with some kind of mental image.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 12:25 ave1: Or just live with it until the stress becomes big enough that you'll have to do something.
mircea_popescu: i expect 80% of the cases of "oh, i am being asked too much, this republic sucks" come from exactly this inept "oh, i won't do a good job, and wait for time to resolve it". yes, time will resolve it, but odds are the solution will hurt the butt.
mircea_popescu: no. write good code from the get go. there's no room here for "oh, this is the code i wrote, but it's not really who i am". it fucking is who you are, irrespective of what the monkey may be saying in your ear. THAT is what you are.
mircea_popescu: trying to maintain this supposed difference between what you do and who you are is exactly how the office drones manage to use a whole life doing exactly nothing whatsoever. all their juice went to the gap.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 12:31 spyked: but I knew how the rss bot design should look (I wrote up a draft before starting the implementation), the problem was rather fitting it up with all the "imported" elements.
mircea_popescu: (neither of these options is good. if the former, why the fuck doing the polarbeard stupid, what, not read the logs ? if the latter, umm...)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 12:53 spyked: as far as I can see, this first writing pass exposes incorrect assumptions about e.g. data structures and how they're used. if this keeps happening, then it might be that the problem is larger than the mind can chew on in one take.
spyked: mircea_popescu, I'm not sure what you mean. lemme explain: the rss bot depends on ircbot and other pieces (some imported from heathenlands, some written by scratch from yours truly). from my reading so far, (e.g. diana_coman's use of MPI in Eucrypt) I dun see this as a strictly solved problem. I could a. make a new genesis consisting of ircbot + rss bot + all dependencies, or b. genesis rss bot alone (and mention ircbot + all others as
spyked: dependencies explicitly; this is already the case in the bot's .asd file), or c. add rss bot as set of patches onto ircbot.
mircea_popescu: when i say "wank" i'm not just using a word for the purpose of filling a conversational hole. that's what wank fucking is, "any activity proceeding without having considered that question".
mircea_popescu: if you ask "well, am i extending something or writing de novo", you're participating. if you're doing anything else, you're wanking about ; an activity entirely undistinguishable from chatting up the starbucks waitress or braying under the full moon.
mircea_popescu: spyked, so is it then the case you're writing an rss module for icrbot ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, in the same sense that logbot is a logging module for ircbot, yes. that would mean b (in the a, b, c above)
mircea_popescu: cool. and trying to do this you discovered ircbot can't actually handle voicing itself ?
mircea_popescu: why's that question take 100s of seconds to process anyway. it can't be ~that~ intricate, just copy a register and return.
spyked: mircea_popescu, it can be used to implement self-voicing, but no, it doesn't implement that functionality itself.
mircea_popescu: well, did you protest that anywhere ? preferably as "hey $x, im trying to use ircbot to make rssbot, but you've not got voice going ?!"
spyked: no, why protest. I thought it was obvious that I was gonna implement it?
trinque: he should extend the thing with a subclass that implements deedbot auth, yeah, but recall deedbot auth service is itself down the tree from ircbot
mircea_popescu: spyked, it was obvious you were going to implement voicing to make rss bot ? and it was also obvious that you're going to switch state from "making rss bot" to "implementing voice for ircbot so i can proceed with making rssbot", so you didn't announce that either. do you have a value for $x ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, I admit some of my wording might be confusing, but I announced that in my report today. self-voicing is a prerequisite for rss bot, arising from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818700 , so I'm implementing. how is this state switching?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 12:38 spyked: so eventually I expect some of the rss bot components (e.g. command handling, self-voicing) to evolve into standalone scaffolding for #trilema bots that implements a decent subset of http://trilema.com/2016/trilema-bot-spec/
mircea_popescu: nevermind that part for now. do you have a value for $x in "hey $x".
mircea_popescu: o brother. what is this, spyked's friendly fuzzing service ?
spyked: but yes, I understand mircea_popescu now, thing is vaporware/non-existent until properly published and signed.
mircea_popescu: it means this : that instead of explicitly communicating state, a. "i r making rss bot" ; b. "hey trinque wtf, ircbot doesn't do voicing ?" ; c. "o well, stopped making rss bot, making voice module for ircbot to be able to make rss bot later" and THEN 1. pushing a voice patch to ircbot BEFORE d. "back to making rss bot"
mircea_popescu: instead you just dump an endless pile of diffs that a) do multiple unrelated things and b) don't even betray any awareness of the process involved in all of this.
trinque: spyked: hasn't to do with the publishing and signing yet. open source is shit precisely because every idiot comes in and does his own thing without talking to the last guy
trinque: because coy and what if he doesn't like me, or fuck knows
mircea_popescu: poor communication with the exterior and poor structuring of the internal process. no, it's not AT ALL the same fucking thing, oh, x is vaguely related to y so let's call it all z." the point isn't to make stu over here.
mircea_popescu: all this communication you opt to not do when it costs you a dime a page i then have to do later, at the cost of a dollar a word. it's fucking bs, save me money.
spyked takes this lesson. will make his pre/post-work communication happen (as explicitly as possible) in the future.
mircea_popescu: "here's how i expect this to be used : a) ircbot is a basic class ; b) logbot is an extension of it ; c) if you're ever making a rss bot, scavenge the relevant parts off logbot, and put a different vtree on top of ircbot"
spyked: the reason I was first set off by mircea_popescu's question was that it led me to "what implication do lisp modules (packages?) have for v? is each module/package supposed to have its own v tree?"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 11:03 spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available
mircea_popescu: spyked, yes, but you have to pick something at some point. you can't be doing everything at the same time.
mircea_popescu: is it that you're writing a new item ? is it that you're extending an extant one ? this is decided FIRST. not "as we go along, and then changed".
spyked: mircea_popescu, I ended up working on a couple of new ones. a. trilema spec subset and b. rss bot.
mircea_popescu: spyked, you'll discover you'll do much better working serially.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : there's always going to be good and bad arguments for whatever choice ; but that has no bearing on the fact that you must still choose, and at the time of choice not at whatever time it may occur to you to.
mircea_popescu: so, is the rss bot ~something you're extending irc bot into~ or ~something you're writing de novo~. one and only one may be the case.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that i have to ask at all, let alone i have to re-ask after an hour's conversation is a very strong marker for a poorly organized mind. you're supposed to know what you're doing, what!
spyked: mircea_popescu, it is going to be separate item, but based on ircbot. can't be an extension of ircbot, for the same reason logbot can't be (some people might not wanna put a rsstron into their ircbot)
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. you can't press to arbitrary heads now ?
lobbesbot: douchebag: Sent 4 hours and 32 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> if you think the faux-camwhores approach will work to make a 'backup' identity for self, this time with new flavouring -- 1) it won't 2) drop it 3) this is good road to -10
trinque: he thinks you were that derp from earlier
spyked: mircea_popescu, the rss bot would branch the ircbot tree then. if trinque or mircea_popescu see any reason for adding rss bot on top of ircbot, I see no reason not to, but it would be disjoint item (i.e. only file changed would be manifest)
spyked: mircea_popescu, lemme try to restate the thing as I see it. the rss bot doesn't make changes to ircbot, it's a new thing that uses ircbot as a dependency. so from this follows (in my mind, so pls to say if broken!) that the new thing will be a genesis.
mircea_popescu: this is factually incorrect. from "item has 1 dependency : otheritem" it follows strictly that item will be a succession of patches on otheritem tree.
mircea_popescu: if it were the case that item has >1 dependency, oi1..n, then it would have been resolved by a) picking one and b) introducing as patches into that tree all otheritems 1..n-1.
mircea_popescu: but should eg, bitcoin-fs be written, then yes trb will exist in the same tree as bitcoin-fs. and should we go as low as tmsr-os, then yes, tmsr-os as genesis will have bitcoin-fs patchzone and then trb patchzone after that. and people wanting to use bitcoinfs for something else can just press up to there and no further. and projects wanting to import bitcoinfs but not trb will just build off that height of tree, and continue
mircea_popescu: and yes, "the complete tree of all patches ever downstream from tmsr-os genesis" will include ~everything~ we ever made, and there's nothing wrong with that ; and people not caring to keep the complete patchset will keep whatever subs they want, exactly like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794613
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 14:31 mircea_popescu: a right. hanbot do me a favour : download ~only~ those patches which are in the leftmost trunk seen on phf's viewer (so exclude vtools_vdiff_sha, and its dependents) and try to flow again ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, but say I have a similar itcbot vtree, with logbot on top. then top of it I include trilemabot (handling self-voicing et al.), then on top of that rss bot. then if I want to use rss bot but not logbot (which don't depend on each other), how would I go about that?
mircea_popescu: spyked, why is trilemabot on top of logbot instead of on the side of logbot ?
trinque: I think this is absolutely correct, and I'm in error not putting logbot in ircbot's tree.
mircea_popescu: (the realisation that v-tree management is a lot like playing tetris should probably hit just about now)
mircea_popescu: trinque, not the end of the world, the "author1 thionks author2 is an idiot" can be very mild indeed, "i didn't like the patchlength, collapsed some and regenesised"
spyked: mircea_popescu, then if they're separate branches and if I want to make purely hypothetical spykedbot that does both? would end up with patch with two antecedents, should v press that? should I regrind?
mircea_popescu: spyked, v presses that as it is now, why not. plenty of examples extant.
trinque: I suppose I should've said instead "had there been a gnat v-tree, eucrypt would never find itself in a position where gnat had moved, and nobody can find the gnat to build eucrypt"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 13:29 phf: back in the canonical log days, i'd patch the name in the logs, but since we're past that i think it can be left as is, unless there are objections as far as log authenticity.
trinque: spyked: so sounds like you're going to patch your items (in as many small, easy to read patches as possible) atop ircbot?
trinque: and I'm going to graft logbot's v-tree onto ircbot
mircea_popescu: and conceivably both logbot and rssbot want voice module, because logbot will want to read references to its logsite.
pipp8: thanks, Hi all, I'm a little noob about bitcoin, so I'm sorry, But from your website thebitcoin.fundation I can read you still use bitcoin 0.54(or 0.53 official with bug solved) why you have choose this version? what succesive implementations wasn't in line with your thinking?? you don't want?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:47 phf: so an intermediate step that someone else could perform is to take your rockchip gentoo, generate new rsa pair, sign the kernel with pub, patch google's uboot with priv and get a clean booting rockchip gentoo setup, without accidentally bricking the device? (while still retaining known amount of google in the system)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:58 phf: asciilifeform: i'm establishing scope, rather then actually doing anything. firefox on my x60 has an uper limit on tabs i have open, because it runs out of memory, so i started thinking that this ain't no way to live :>
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:59 phf: trinque: i like that idea, i'll see if it's easy to implement though. it doesn't map quite cleanly to current search architecture though, which is single pass and stateless
spyked: mircea_popescu, yeah, the example was only intended to give preview, re "what've you been doing all this time". btw, can unsubscribe using !F unsubscribe <link>. otherwise it'll send you messages after I figure out what's borken.
mircea_popescu: part of the problem is i don't even know if i can receive and can't be arsed to debug something i don't really use anyway. but yes, will clear it nao.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 22:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818735 << is is settled that rsa checks are waste of time / undesirable ? having a sane process doing kernel check may not be terrible, neh ?
asciilifeform: it also forces the use of their oddball partition scheme
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