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2018-5-1 | 2018-5-3

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA0450D117008E5A2062860A5DF11353781123CFB44A905CAA74C5836643E636 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1679...6159 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '118.194.133.33 (ssh-rsa key from 118.194.133.33 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 11)
asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_apr_parts.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9063.13, vol: 11729.53161711 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9070.6, vol: 23312.154198539996 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9070.2, vol: 5338.80882751 | Volume-weighted last average: 9068.37726535
asciilifeform: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.10813041 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807162
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 00:40 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_apr_parts.txt
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OYbSv/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v 407E794ACEEE389CCF771222F9A1D373397ACD165F7A11605C828C61B549B9F8
deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.10813041 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807162
asciilifeform: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.02 2 x 3ware RAID cards (1 in http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-1#309820 , 1 for smg spare and currently stored in orig packaging in the rack bilge )
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-01 17:59 ben_vulpes: yes sold
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4lLep/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v F6313920EBDB845D8354B33F2C12DDFE496BE90196B6330C2FCA95BE4CFE1DF5
deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.02 << 2 x 3ware RAID cards (1 in http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-1#309820 , 1 for smg spare and currently stored in orig packaging in the rack bilge )
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-01 17:59 ben_vulpes: yes sold
asciilifeform: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.24737591 asciilifeform-powered snsa->pizarro crossborder transport ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807162 manifest ) , inclusive of the iron repurchased earlier by pizarro ( i dun recall if the transport cost was part of the purchase, if it wasn't , plox to rebill ben_vulpes et al )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 00:40 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_apr_parts.txt
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QIuPa/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v D80DA12DCAC5A938A5D3B7F44D188EB6E9274B1DCB40FEAEE0C9D8585E1DA58C
asciilifeform: ...
asciilifeform: lol did i finally hang this thing
asciilifeform: ( trinque ^ ? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, basically this is because snsa is paying you to deliver its gear there and also sold pizarro some gear on the trip, right ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, i'm digging in the log re whether you included transport, but currently can't find, grrr
mircea_popescu: im sure snsa sold parts fob.
mircea_popescu: and so this ~2k is what, plane ticket and those bits of gear we didn't already own that we resold basically ?
trinque: lol, value too long for varchar(255) asciilifeform
trinque: holy damned memo field
asciilifeform: trinque: should i resubmit or wat
trinque: lemme make it yuger
trinque: asciilifeform: ok, resubmit with same girth
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strictly plane ( 400 alone was 'excess weight surcharge ) + taxis + hotel
asciilifeform: trinque: aite, 1s
mircea_popescu: alright.
asciilifeform: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.24737591 asciilifeform-powered snsa->pizarro crossborder transport works
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eKXAu/?raw=true
trinque: pff I said same girth
trinque: but nbd
asciilifeform: !!v 5A66BE94B97DB841FDFC0A5E1ADE2B818A720C8D64ED702D0EF4EA4DF20E7437
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.24737591 << asciilifeform-powered snsa->pizarro crossborder transport works
asciilifeform: oops , sorry trinque
asciilifeform: but this oughta work..
trinque: yeah that's fine; I just embiggened the type db-side
mircea_popescu: whoa guise i dunno what's going on but this tab keeps flashing o.O O.o
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes lemme know if you have any q re the items in manifest ( they are all in BingoBoingo's inventory nao )
asciilifeform: anyway this is all in re cost of asciilifeform's 1st expedition to pizarrostan.
asciilifeform: the 1 item i forgot is cost of 1 spare raid cable. but let's consider it a donation...
mircea_popescu: !!invoices
asciilifeform wonder how 'asciilifeform airlines' compares, costwise, with fedex, for same mass
asciilifeform: not even to count the customs strange.
mircea_popescu: will be reporting this shortly.
trinque: ^ !!received-invoices or !!sent-invoices
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/p0FLu/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!pay-invoice asciilifeform 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PjQnW/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: trinque, can pay-invoice require a mangled number format, such as #1 or i1 or something ? i nearly paid ben_vulpes 4 btc a few days ago, and so on.
mircea_popescu: !!sent-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5QCRM/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/y95sj/?raw=true
trinque: yeah, I can see the wisdom behind it. gets worse the more it's used, heh!
mircea_popescu: a that's right, pizarro never paid cash, we got bonds.
mircea_popescu: basically asciilifeform the story is incomputable : you cost 1/4 btc to fly over some gear (which iirc cost us .6 ?) of which half we sold to pizarro for ~.5 in equity. figure it out if you can o.O
mircea_popescu: but broadly speaking seems about right, what can i say.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the gear per se, asciilifeform was repaid for long ago
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: just saying, from a snsa perspective. it looks like a wash really.
asciilifeform: then ben_vulpes purchased a box; and i'm still digging in the log for where and for what;
mircea_popescu: he bought two boxes -- the minigame box and the spare. and he paid 0.5 in pizarro bonds.
asciilifeform: aaaaaa
mircea_popescu: then he later paid a further .4 for a fg bundle, taking nsa to .9 worth of convertible bonds, ie a ~7,5% holderr as th9ings stand
asciilifeform: right-o
mircea_popescu: dis log. FUCKING WORTH ITS WEIGHT IN GOLD.
mircea_popescu: the only unclear part to me is the rockchips. nsa never paid you to buy them ; nor was paid for pizarro to acquire them. i imagine this was a side deal ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz read the manifest
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are 2 sections, sect. 1 is for pizarro, sect 2 for snsa
asciilifeform: strictly delineated.
asciilifeform: i put'em both in 1 signed document because they pertain to 1 expedition. but there are 2 sep. totals in there.
mircea_popescu: don't say "plz read the manifest", say "plz read the manifest : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2277 or w/er it is. what is it ?
asciilifeform: i put it in the !!invoice
asciilifeform: does deedbot display these when you !!received...c ?
asciilifeform: np, i'll repost : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807162
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 00:40 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_apr_parts.txt
asciilifeform: ^ subj.
mircea_popescu: ty
asciilifeform: lol i can scarcely believe mircea_popescu was about to pay invoice but missed the actual invoice text
mircea_popescu: a ok, so you billed pizarro for those. i see i see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i have every intention to pay it, whence the !!pay ; the checking intervenes between the statement of intention and the execution thereof.
mircea_popescu: kinda why they're two things.
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: !!up BigTexasBingo
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: ( strange phakt : on the way out of montevideo, somehow instead of normal taxi, asciilifeform ended up in ~entire bus~ by himself. ...they ran out of ordinary taxis ? nfi )
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-520811.txt
BigTexasBingo: Oh boy, the family has a father/cuck lecturing to me in front of the niños
asciilifeform: lolwat
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: about what
BigTexasBingo: About how marijuana in his vape is cool, but the rest isn't
BigTexasBingo: And myself, I have to explain the all of it has been legal since 1973 when the dictatorship took power and legalized all the drugs
BigTexasBingo: !Q gabriel_laddel Seriously where the fuck are you. This land is Your land
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform computes that ' asciilifeform airlines ' costs 22.42 $ / kg . which is about 5x less than, e.g., u.s. post...
mircea_popescu: BigTexasBingo, what the fuck is the schmuck with kids doing in teenager slum anywyas
BigTexasBingo: Lives in la paloma, can't afford hotels
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, from that pov it is actually not even half bad, esp because includes expert escort + handling.
mircea_popescu: BigTexasBingo, then hopw the fuck does he even dare lift his fucking dumb head.
asciilifeform: verily. i had nailpolishy seals on the crates even.
mircea_popescu: tell him your boss from far away said so!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i guess you have all further gear conveyance contracts you wish.
BigTexasBingo: Mircea he was humbled. Offered his kids pizza.
asciilifeform: well for when this day comes, i saved all the blankets, towels, rags, foam blocks...
asciilifeform: ( was gonna jettison'em, then thought better )
BigTexasBingo: Alf freight was very good for the morale as well
asciilifeform: observe also : 0 $ at customs.
BigTexasBingo: Asciilifeform left me with an ice cream habit though. June bioallotment is going to have to go up.
asciilifeform: really oughta
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , plox to put the matter ^ before board.
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo has been doing a most fine job of pizarro-resident, deserves some raise.
mircea_popescu: haha dood this sounds like it was a helluva trip.
asciilifeform: verily it was
BigTexasBingo: Eh, mostly I have been terrorizing boomers
BigTexasBingo: Alf, fotoblawg when?
asciilifeform: we walked , what, 200km, was it
BigTexasBingo: Easily. How arr your feet?
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: still sifting through the 5 or so GB of photolade to find good fodder
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: feet work, after skin swapped like on snake
asciilifeform: ( this took whole week+ )
BigTexasBingo: Going back to boots after the sneakers got soaked Saturday was a trip
asciilifeform: say what one will re asciilifeform's 'jackboots', at least they're watertight
BigTexasBingo: I strongly recommend if you do boots next time go for some redwings.
asciilifeform: the ones with iron soles ?
BigTexasBingo: Not the whole sole, but enough of it
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform will look into this.
BigTexasBingo: I actually think my pair maybe has a fiberglass rod in the sole. The appeal here is non slip rubber and dead cow.
mircea_popescu: check out alf, just like in the fairytales of his native lands!
asciilifeform: these, i got already in existing bootz
mircea_popescu: worn down -- iron boot. found luck.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i got them bootz in timis
asciilifeform: a+++ but even these, have limits, when pavement is ~= rubble
BigTexasBingo: Jajajaja
BigTexasBingo: December was a month where the boots were *just* broken in enough to serve as a cast for the stress fractures
BigTexasBingo: También the varying textures aren't bad. Wait until you try walking the pretty tiles in the rain.
asciilifeform regrets only 1 thing -- not having brought swimming kit
BigTexasBingo: Next time
asciilifeform: picture, 20km of beach, not only empty of orcs but clean enuff to eat from.
asciilifeform: and 40c air.
BigTexasBingo: Only 27cax
BigTexasBingo: Max
BigTexasBingo: 40c only happens in old country... Or Paraguay
asciilifeform: felt quite 'tropical' tho.
asciilifeform: like in aquarium shop.
asciilifeform: (humidity, really)
BigTexasBingo: That humidity and MI enemigo el sol
asciilifeform: interestingly enuff, 0 sunburn on asciilifeform , despite having no hat or other means against the sun
asciilifeform: ( exactly like in 2015 visit to buenosaires)
BigTexasBingo: I don't really have a burn either so much as gently weeping skin on my face that screams with prolonged pressure like sunglasses on mt nasal bridge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what kit is needed i don't get it ?
mircea_popescu gave up on trying to wear the retarded recicled coca cola bottles they're selling as "Swimsuits".
asciilifeform: i had a cloth one back home, and did not relish to put on the 'recycled bottles' sold in uy
asciilifeform: in other lulz, phuctor set to roll over 10 mil keys in coupla dayz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, im sure the ocean's seen male genitalia before.
asciilifeform: tru
asciilifeform: sand in arse isn't much fun tho.
mircea_popescu: well so pack a towel to sit on.
asciilifeform: it was pretty strange, 0 orcs in the water, at any time of day
mircea_popescu: anyway, never bothered me yet. you'd expect it'd be way the fuck worse with girly bits, but amusingly enough IT IS NOT. the worst part is sand abrasion due to it getting in the slip (as it will) and then the slip moving it about.
mircea_popescu: but in plain terms, it turns out the human body is actually very well designed to not have a problem with sand.
mircea_popescu: nfi why, inexplicabru.
mircea_popescu: especially seeing how the very well design panther tanks -- did.
mircea_popescu: apparently cunt perl > german engineering.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: sorta helps that we have 'sealed bearings' eh.
mircea_popescu: hey, i made no constraint of it.
asciilifeform: ( observe, yer hdd is also unafraid of sand )
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: salt water tho...
asciilifeform at one time had a reasonably watertight hdd ( 'battened down' by hand for the application )
asciilifeform: incidentally the little 'c101pa' comp , is nifty also on acct of having no exhaust pipe ( passively cooled strictly )
asciilifeform: the chassis is of aluminum.
asciilifeform: ( there is a triangular heat spreader on the cpu and ram, in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_bottom_nope.jpg can be seen the grease spot from it )
asciilifeform: also covers the four ferrites above cpu
asciilifeform: and the soldered-on ssd.
asciilifeform: overall a notbad.jpg box, mechanically, esp. for what it costs.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_top.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_open.jpg << moar of subj. with dimension reference.
mod6: Alright, update on asciilifeform 's crystals: It works. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ASP9U/?raw=true
asciilifeform: oh hey
mod6: However, I'd like to say that there were a few things that threw me off.
asciilifeform: let's hear
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html << the script in the body of this email needed updating (and I had forgot about this part from earlier this month) -- my corrections are basically somewhat subject to my directory setup, save these two edits:
mod6: mkdir -p out;
mod6: and
mod6: N=`basename $P .vpatch`
mod6: which I've shown in my log paste above ^. The original one is pasted first, the one that I actually got to work, second.
asciilifeform: is this one of those boxes that lacks 'basename' proggy ?
asciilifeform: iirc this was a headache in early trb days
mod6: No
mod6: instead of $P, you use $patch
mod6: mod6@gentoo ~/alf_crystals $ which basename
mod6: /usr/bin/basename
asciilifeform: why does this barf on mod6's box tho..
mod6: I do have that binary for what it's worth.
asciilifeform: ( for puzzled readers -- script in ^ is a generator of a set of tests for the 'crystals' demo, rather than the thing per se )
mod6: The barf is actually in that log, there was a lot of those -- one for each vpatch. I should note though, my copy/paste may have thrown in some weird chars there, so just ignore that, that's not from your script, or my edits thereof.
mod6: Anyway, was pretty minor...
asciilifeform: sure, but why did the fix, fix it..?
mod6: Next thing was that I got into some very small trouble with: ./txt2dir.py trb makefiles
mod6: Simply because I didn't know that it was output to 'out/trb', and then I moved the dir to 'trb'. lol. So i tried to run the thing against a dir, not a crystal. Once I realized that, worked fine.
mod6: You'll note that I did follow the steps as posted in the email, and for instance:
mod6: mod6@gentoo ~/alf_crystals/alf $ ./v.pl p . makefiles.monoblok.vpatch
mod6: HEAD: makefiles.monoblok.vpatch not found in flow
asciilifeform: mod6: the press (using ordinary v) creates a text file, 'trb'. which then is 'untarred', if you will, to 'makefiles' .
asciilifeform: mod6: why would it be 'not found in flow' unless you didn't unpack the patches/seals/my key ?
mod6: So, that was minor, had to download all your monobloks and seals from the email. That was all. Overall, I think in early april, I did this late at night and just didn't follow your steps as correctly as I should have.
asciilifeform: aa
mod6: Yeah, sorry, I didnt realize to grab all of your files from the email -- If I wouldn't have done that, my v would drop them on the floor as not-signed.
asciilifeform: mod6: note, even tho the proggy ~could~ be used as-is, i doubt that anybody would want to; it is really demo of a potential frontend to be built into vtron .
mod6: This is probably confusing as hell, it would make mroe sense to read through my log.
mod6: It did seem to produce what it said it would
mod6: I guess I just tripped up on some of the things. But, hey, sorry I didn't just do a report from jumpstreet.
asciilifeform: no worries, mod6
mod6: That is all, cheers!
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i specifically warned folx not to blow toomuch time on playing with subj )
mod6: Hey, two evenings, not overly costly at all Sir.
asciilifeform: mod6: say, tho, whether the ~algo~ made sense to you
mod6: If I would have been more careful the first time, would have been 1.
mod6: I believe so, it does this: 1] It takes a press of v99. 2] Runs dir2txt.py on each dir, doing vdiffs of all the files. Stuffing output into monoblok. 3] Monoblok has 1 antecedent hash, 1 dependant hash, rest meta & source. 4] You load the monobloks (signed ofc) into a vtron, press them. They press into one giant file with metadata and source only. 5] one runs txt2dir.py on teh giant crystal to inflate univ
mod6: erse.
asciilifeform: mod6: gotta separate out the demo-maker from the proggy itself
asciilifeform: but overall i think you grasp it.
asciilifeform: mod6: the included illustration was to the effect of 'what if trb had been made using this type of vtron, from genesis to present day' .
asciilifeform: if you display the thing in phf's viewer, or mod6's , you will see a vertical 'pillar' of flow, rather than the familiar tree.
mod6: And the vertical pillar of flow, in this case, is the crystal.
asciilifeform: mno, 'crystal' is what i arbitrarily titled the tar-like format .
mod6: I dunno, maybe i've forgotten the point of all of this.
asciilifeform: mod6: point was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792124 .
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 00:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to me a correctly designed and properly implemented version of trinque 's original doodle, which he summarily described as "bundle all files together and hash"
mod6: Hmm.
asciilifeform: ( bonus, is that it also cures inbandism that orig. v suffers from. albeit this requires a slightly modified differ . )
mod6: I guess I need to noodle on this a while, and perhaps make a different example outside the context of trb.
asciilifeform: mod6: see also the simpler example in the orig post , http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-March/000293.html .
mod6: Thanks!
mod6: Alright, I'm off. ni ni
asciilifeform: goodnight mod6
asciilifeform also bbl
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4222F10404D616C1353CAA84FEA591D43C2A91E7E8EEEB54172D168083A04D3A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1421...4059 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.223.227.19 (ssh-rsa key from 67.223.227.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US MA)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in water sports, https://78.media.tumblr.com/b3aac988f3fbdeed5e32b8ed6c576033/tumblr_npgtmj3k9c1rx7eu1o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: Thank you MP.
ben_vulpes: hey gabriel_laddel now that you've got a job and everything, how about a bouncer on the pizarro shared host?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: inventive!
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807262 < Not sure why the land of untouchable females & stoners would be "my land", but I'm doing the same thing I always do. Work. FFS, the _point_ of drugs is to be _more_ productive, or to _learn something new_.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 01:17 BigTexasBingo: !Q gabriel_laddel Seriously where the fuck are you. This land is Your land
mircea_popescu: o ? what are you working on these days
ben_vulpes: or are you still scared of being seen to transact in btc
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA0450D117008E5A2062860A5DF11353781123CFB44A905CAA74C5836643E636 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1561...0167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '118.194.133.33 (ssh-rsa key from 118.194.133.33 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 11)
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu aside from lisp stuff for money, rewriting some code: https://pastebin.com/m8q6xKLn
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes I've no problem with working in BTC, but you have to understand that when I say things like "no really, I've 1 computer, ~400 usd to my name and a package of camels" I really mean it.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes That said, will be in touch.
asciilifeform lulz in particular re the heathen 'vpn' ads in the pastebin link 
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: 'land of untouchable females' is elsewhere... usa
mircea_popescu: i thought lisp stuff for money is the province of a few remainder whitebeards in usg.missiles grandfathered contracts.
asciilifeform: iirc d00d has saltmine job
asciilifeform: !#s from:gabriel_laddel java
a111: 4 results for "from:gabriel_laddel java", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Agabriel_laddel%20java
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793474 <<
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 00:59 gabriel_laddel: beetlejuice is suffering gainful employment writing java for the time being
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform I quit
mircea_popescu: how did the sawed off heel work out in the end ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in "bringing the light" news, https://78.media.tumblr.com/ceca99de9986a0a1f54a2684718371cb/tumblr_nhu1gucsFu1qairwpo1_1280.jpg
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu I got a stopgap for the time being.
mircea_popescu: wooden ?
gabriel_laddel: Carbon fiber & epoxy.
mircea_popescu: o.O
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu lisp jobs exist for ~anyone who is willing to spend some time working for it. Sorta like northstar electronics & the dragonfly
mircea_popescu: i see.
asciilifeform: well 'write it in watever' jobs, really, yes
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: wai still starving, tho ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Not starving, am just poor (for the time being).
mircea_popescu: well here's to that getting fixed soon, then.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: did you ever post pics of the foot?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: No. That was conditional on someone sending me medical resources. Turns out you can IV cocaine into spine & it will knock out all feeling from there down if you want to be mentally present during such an operation (somewhere in http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/e1920/nightmareofcocaine.htm ).
gabriel_laddel: ^ incidentally, what an ungrateful fuck. He SURVIVED.
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: 'Is there any way out for the majority of addicts who can't buy a boat and sail the Seven Seas?' << lulzy
trinque: heh, at least that one admits the addiction
gabriel_laddel: trinque: well okay Mr. utterly-on-point, was JFK an addict? http://www.historynet.com/jack-kennedy-dr-feelgood.htm
asciilifeform: by all accounts, was
asciilifeform: ( though 'to what' remains iirc open q )
asciilifeform: i suspect , the man himself did not know, had own dr.morrell
asciilifeform: 'here's your vitamin shot, mein fuhrer'
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: for poor fuxx like you and me there is only the trilemman 'plan for wealth'
gabriel_laddel: yeah no
ben_vulpes: but rest easy meine freunde there is nothing easier in this world than ballooning your leverage and socking pennies away in btc
ben_vulpes: heh well what getrichquickscheme have y'lit upon now
gabriel_laddel: same one. lisp machine. bulletproofed case & sold to mass market as "save your kid in event of school shooting"
ben_vulpes: to steal a mircea_popescu-ism: nuts.
ben_vulpes: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: *shrugs* I'm interested in the lispm. BTC is incidental. Interesting, but incidental. Have sold my absolutely-not-a-lispm in the past & plan to continue doing so in the future. Last time around I was homeless, couldn't get rides to meetups, no ebay account etc. This time around, not so much.
ben_vulpes: look i admire your determination but there's no leverage and no market anywhere to be seen; you could be patient, scraping down food credits and suffering now for what will be an entire IC two decades from now had ye the foresight to not waste your time picking rags
ben_vulpes: which, make no mistake, is precisely what you're doing. pulling refuse from the usgstani fabrication pipeline and "oh dear sir or madam, this posey to spare your child from the plague i mean hailofbullets"
ben_vulpes: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1559
ben_vulpes to gentoo basement, bbl
gabriel_laddel: fuck patience. That attitude is why we don't have one now. If people had just generally been less of a bunch of complete girly-men at symbolics, or the MIT AI lab, or Franz, or or or we'd have something that's close enough to "troo lispm" for me, even if ascii would be unhappy about it.
gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
ben_vulpes: they had no wot, gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: no wot and no non-statally controlled monetary base, and so could build nothing sane.
ben_vulpes: because 'britneyization', the crushing drive to make everything as cheap, of as few and the cheapest atoms possible in order to sell it at the largest scale to the greatest number of people, because this is how socialism works: big tents, eyeballs, "hamburgers served", number of voters
ben_vulpes: and the starkest, most bleak indictment of all, no great men to serve
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: there is much enjoyment to be had in building great moocow milking machines
ben_vulpes: not in the work itself, innards of windows and "whitelabled mobile experiences" are only worthwhile insofar as they drain the beasts of their lifeblood
ben_vulpes: there is nothing "reasonable" about the trilema plan for wealth, come on now.
gabriel_laddel: I'd rather sell crack/arms/precursors than milk moocows.
ben_vulpes: i've yet to see evidence of you doing either, so the objection cannot stand.
ben_vulpes: flail in the dark on your own if you must.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807470 << lol, apparently asciilifeform is doingitallwrong!11!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:28 gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform loper-os http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807481 is utterly revolutionary & I wouldn't dream of implying that.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807470 << lol, apparently asciilifeform is doingitallwrong!11!
asciilifeform: i mean, tbf, i haven't tried doing things via the gabriel_laddel way, of yet.
gabriel_laddel: But adali? BB? The old ex-mit-ai-lab guy I met who now just tutors kids in math & DOESNT EVEN TEACH THEM LISP?! Or the other ex-symbolics people?
gabriel_laddel: Fuck em.
gabriel_laddel: *adlai
asciilifeform: folx make fun of 'lsd on roofs' but whirling dervish life prolly has something to recommend it..
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i gotta point out that precursors, arms and crack are *all* milkings.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes fair point. But at least it isn't netbeans
ben_vulpes: there are three things to do: britneyize, lash yourself to another man's oar, or be the visionary superman
ben_vulpes: and i get the appeal of visionary supermandom but dude upcycling craptops with a hilarious gentoonotalisp is very shy of that mark
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes what do we get out of populating the infodb with s-expression sources and editing with SETF rather than working through files?
ben_vulpes: it is such an asinine question, mon frere
ben_vulpes: wanking over the wallpaper doesn't kneecap the megastate one whit
ben_vulpes: these are tools of intelligence amplification, done correctly. users/eyeballs/hitcounters are *the* antipattern.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes okay, so where do fexpers stand? Can we do away with them given our SETF-editor & populated infodb?
ben_vulpes: IA is for that revered fourth, fifth and sixth standard deviation; not for teh everyonez
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: it doesn't matter for so long as the incans control the fabs.
gabriel_laddel: like, since we already know WHO-MACROEXPANDS, just iterate infodb & re macroexpand.
ben_vulpes: right. put another way, why are you so obsessed over this nominally-solved problem to such a degree that you'd deprive the republic of a capitalized sapper
gabriel_laddel: F-
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: why would i give a shit when you seem dedicated to the penurious style that'll prevent you from ever delivering on the implications.
ben_vulpes: i can have the software written, by devoted historians i train myself or who've built a relationship upon delivery and savvy over years of wot relationships
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807489 << wait, you object to bingoboingo's moving to uruguay ? or just ... in general ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:49 gabriel_laddel: Fuck em.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the correct construction is that he simply doesn't know what's going on. aanyways.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807501 << technically speaking, it's for everyone ; the problem is that for the average man intelligence amplification takes a shape very much indistinguishable from sheer pain.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:58 ben_vulpes: IA is for that revered fourth, fifth and sixth standard deviation; not for teh everyonez
mircea_popescu: which is why ux is such a terrible field. it's caught in this fundamental tension, between moomoos "wanting" to stay moomoos on one hand, and "doctor, my eye hurts every time i take a sip of my coffee" on the other.
mircea_popescu: the eastern/orthodox expression being "durerea-i ziditoare", ie, pain [builds] the kingdom of heaven
mircea_popescu: though, obviously, not any-and-all of it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in excellent posture, https://78.media.tumblr.com/0ccf28335e17ac7a6f67befe32bf7b07/tumblr_nq38oiYEpj1tfaasio1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: and notbad lighting!
mircea_popescu: indeed.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-2#346916 << "On a system I'm testing on, in practice, the RNG just reads the DMI table and then, since the DMI table is way bigger than 64 bytes, immediately moves to crng_init==1 without using even a single sample of interrupt randomness."
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:15 ben_vulpes: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1559
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo is this right, 3035+3058 ?
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes is a day behind, will attend to invoices that need indepth review tomorrow; outstanding invoices will go out this pm
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2016-12-30#76508 << i'm still wrapping my head around dirty reads and how database concurrency implementation strategies affect the possibility; here's a breadcrumb on the trail http://www.interdb.jp/pg/pgsql05.html
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:14 mircea_popescu: it really should be up to operator wtf, if i want to read dirty let me read dirty what sort of decision is this for designer to make.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, consider the eminent case of apache serving mp-wp. the fact that at t1 i updated the article list and at t2 the db read the stale t0 version makes EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE.
mircea_popescu: it's way the fuck better to ~serve~ even if the article is epsilon seconds "too old" than to hang while you update, or even fucking worse, reject the connection.
mircea_popescu: in the case of trilema, for instance, the db serving articles FROM YESTERDAY OR EARLIER ONLY, ie, 86400000000 microseconds old, is still 99% of the job done. cuz most of the time you're not even using it for "the latest", and even if there is a latest in any meaningful sense it's many millions / billions / trillions microseconds old anyway.
ben_vulpes: my attention is on the original phuctorgenic goal of "i don't care about your concurrency controls, gimme whatever's in the page ritenao!"
mircea_popescu: and even more complicated dirty mixes, whereby eg "the article -- new ; but the comments -- old, so we are serving a false imaginary situation that never could have existed irl!!!" is still... no harm done WHATSOEVER.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, that case is really no different ; phuctor is just a mechanized trilema with a narrow focus.
ben_vulpes: pg "SSI" does this correctly afaik; would serve coherent versions of comments and article i believe.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: didja ever benchmark running mpwp on postgres?
mircea_popescu: like a decade ago
ben_vulpes: heh
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in tech, https://78.media.tumblr.com/6814f5228bb204fb3bfca0f25822a272/tumblr_naiw51dkhV1s7ch8qo1_1280.jpg
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/chicks-in-pantsuits-winning-arguments-with-yours-truly-a-comedic-goldmine-of-lulz-and-tears/ << Trilema - Chicks in pantsuits winning arguments with yours truly, a comedic goldmine of lulz and tears.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806773 <-- was it http://danluu.com/input-lag/ ? anyway, leaving this here for entomology.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 22:04 asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find )
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807007 <-- fwiw I've used the sha512 branch of vtools and will continue to until existing trees get reground with keccak.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available
spyked: current patch draft is at http://lmogo.xyz/v/patches/ircbot-nickserv-auth-add-user-slot.vpatch ; and sig http://lmogo.xyz/v/seals/ircbot-nickserv-auth-add-user-slot.vpatch.spyked.sig . I'm not very sure that my changes to make-ircbot are proper, so I am eager to hear your feedback
spyked: I've added the "user" slot as a keyword argument to highlight optionality, but not sure whether this is the right way to go about it.
spyked: given the growing number of args, I'd rather personally have them all be keyword args.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4CB883A7C6041E87BA7FEDCFEC583AB986A75CAE5ACB933BA02DD5BF566966C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...5429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.168.230.78 (ssh-rsa key from 83.168.230.78 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.concretefloor.com. SE)
lobbes: Neato spyked. Though, I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever grouped nicks under a user via NickServ. Besides the cloaking, what other utility is there to grouping in this way?
lobbes: I'll probably be splitting lobbesbot into several seperate bots over the coming months/year, so now I am curious
lobbes bbl
spyked: lobbes, in general nicks grouped under a user might inherit other properties (e.g. op privileges), but I'm not sure whether this has any utility for bots. I only used it as a very cheap way to get cloak for bots, though probably the correct approach would be to register a user per nick.
spyked is of course curious to hear if this is considered an anti-feature by republican standards. but has used it for a while now.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807540 << indeed it was! ty spyked !
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 09:52 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806773 <-- was it http://danluu.com/input-lag/ ? anyway, leaving this here for entomology.
asciilifeform: tho i wonder how he measured the bolix 3620; back when i had mine, it most certainly did not 'feel like' winblowz-levels of i/o lag
asciilifeform: ( iirc in old thread we discussed this: asciilifeform suspects that 'subjective lag' is not a function of absolute delay, but of ~variation~ in same )
spyked: from what I understood, he measured all of them by filming the keypress-to-screen latency with a high fps camera. though this begs the question of what even means "keypress registered" in case of software kbds. at least he put the touchscreens in another table.
mircea_popescu: spyked, there's about 0 interest in importing nickserv behaviours as some kind of perpetual legacy.
mircea_popescu: managing yet-another-ad-hoc-dns... meh.
spyked agrees. and also wonders why the whole "cloaks are a privilege handed by fleanode staff" etc. still, uses the bit above for the time being and would have been odd to keep to himself.
mircea_popescu: nwwt.
mircea_popescu shall bbl.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4CB883A7C6041E87BA7FEDCFEC583AB986A75CAE5ACB933BA02DD5BF566966C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1503...6339 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.168.230.78 (ssh-rsa key from 83.168.230.78 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.concretefloor.com. SE)
trinque: it's amazing how much gabriel_laddel reminds me of an old boss. nearly drank himself to death, grand mission to turn the www into a distributed db. the obsessive ones like this only get un-stuck by the threat of death, which is why they try as they might to impose it upon themselves.
asciilifeform: trinque: was it the sql master d00d from old thread ?
trinque: it was
trinque: also a "semantic web" guy
asciilifeform: i admit to a little curiosity re what 'turn into distributed db' meant ( can query it ? who supplies the 10^9000 cpu cycles ..? )
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7F05A220F5EBBE004FBA7875F58A250B066D40105C456157DB011E3B5961101 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1676...5063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.55.50.58 (ssh-rsa key from 92.55.50.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
trinque: taking the simple case of a blog, node serves up a metadata endpoint that says "posts, comments, etc" and their structure. client can take suggestion from the server on how to display these, or can use whatever it likes on its end instead.
trinque: nodes can also describe transformations from one schema to another, so your "post" table's cols map to mine via a given function
trinque: whole project started at far too high a stack of chairs, atop postgres, browser, etc
asciilifeform: rright, i can picture this-much, but how did d00d's scheme get around the 'all-comers can make you spend 9000 cpu cycles whenever for the asking' problem.
trinque: guy had no notion of WoT, of gossipd, or anything. he's firmly an "our democracy" believer
trinque: made no attempt to solve many unavoidable problems, in pursuit of desired "UX"
asciilifeform: surely had a notion that, e.g., spam, exists ?
asciilifeform: or are we talking about a d00d circa 1992 or somesuch
trinque: postgres can serve up "materialized views" pretty damned fast; that's what would've been the caching solution, similar to what's done with webshits currently
asciilifeform: caching still costs sumthing
trinque: sure, and this was a guy that was spending his own money because "eventually we'll figure out what to do with UX"
asciilifeform: in the end died of vodka ?
trinque: eh, aged beyond his years, but alive
trinque left a long while ago
asciilifeform: trinque: any idea what d00d is up to nao ?
trinque: nah not in touch. told him he was among the worst leaders I'd ever labored under, and that was that.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: trinque: determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily; and so i suspect that most folx's experience with inventors, should they have any, resembles this one, 'fella worked on perpetuum mobile under meth for 20yrs , then went broke, drank'
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807523 << This evening I will run through the last several months reports to check for any outstanding issues
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 11 hours and 21 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> is this right, 3035+3058 ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 05:27 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 11 hours and 20 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
lobbes: Superman visionaries >> http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03302004
asciilifeform: lobbes: not wholly unrelated ancientthread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
asciilifeform: hey trinque , is it possible to cleanly remove the 8191-byte limitation for indexed fields in postgresql ?
asciilifeform: trinque: turns out, phuctor www end spends ~80% of cpu cycles in sequential scan for modulus, because index refused to be created. ( and no, 'hash them' is not solution, phuctor gotta be able to store ANY set of moduli, and not merely e.g. 512bits of possible ones )
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , other sqlists..? ^
ben_vulpes nfi
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807521 << That is right, no outstanding errors have been found
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 05:26 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo is this right, 3035+3058 ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-boy-scouts-get-neuter-gendered-rename/ << Qntra - US Boy Scouts Get Neuter Gendered Rename
mircea_popescu: "determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily" << fortunately, determination is not an elementary item, but can be further broken down and classified. there's the sort of determination resulting from narcissism, where it is simply fueled by the [perceived] cost of changing the other side, "what do you mean my model of sexuality and society is wrong, this'd mean i'd have to have a long talk with the woman in my hou
mircea_popescu: se".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, ty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm certain this is not something postgres can do.
mircea_popescu: unless you bother to actually find and edit the magic numbers and recompile, which is about on par with rewriting the damned thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meanwhile i made it do it ( not deployed to production yet, still in test.. )
mircea_popescu: partial multiindexes ?
asciilifeform: used hashistic index followed by collision test
asciilifeform: ( as taught in kindergarten )
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: aaaaaand deployed.
asciilifeform: ( how to test ? load e.g. various links from http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/2 , observe msec, rather than sec-halfminute as before, load times... )
trinque: very nice!
asciilifeform: later, i'ma add this to the eater
asciilifeform: ( the mixed-blessing of which will be to shorten the 'fuel tank' from 'months' to 'weeks' i suspect )
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that.
asciilifeform: the day aint far when the thing will be able to tell you , e.g., 'yer router is nsatronic', the minute you plug it in (i.e. realtime scan an' probe-against-db, no need to queue'em )
asciilifeform brb for realz
mircea_popescu: nice indeed.
mircea_popescu: incidentally zx2c4 you familiar with all the phuctor work ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ and all that ?
mircea_popescu: just in case you're still belabouring under the misapprehension that the usg puppet show is a "field" with "experts" and whatnot, that is.

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