mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-01 17:59 ben_vulpes: yes sold
asciilifeform: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.24737591 asciilifeform-powered snsa->pizarro crossborder transport ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807162 manifest ) , inclusive of the iron repurchased earlier by pizarro ( i dun recall if the transport cost was part of the purchase, if it wasn't , plox to rebill ben_vulpes et al )
trinque: yeah, I can see the wisdom behind it. gets worse the more it's used, heh!
mircea_popescu: a that's right, pizarro never paid cash, we got bonds.
mircea_popescu: basically asciilifeform the story is incomputable : you cost 1/4 btc to fly over some gear (which iirc cost us .6 ?) of which half we sold to pizarro for ~.5 in equity. figure it out if you can o.O
mircea_popescu: but broadly speaking seems about right, what can i say.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the gear per se, asciilifeform was repaid for long ago
asciilifeform: it was pretty strange, 0 orcs in the water, at any time of day
mircea_popescu: anyway, never bothered me yet. you'd expect it'd be way the fuck worse with girly bits, but amusingly enough IT IS NOT. the worst part is sand abrasion due to it getting in the slip (as it will) and then the slip moving it about.
mircea_popescu: but in plain terms, it turns out the human body is actually very well designed to not have a problem with sand.
asciilifeform: ( for puzzled readers -- script in ^ is a generator of a set of tests for the 'crystals' demo, rather than the thing per se )
mod6: The barf is actually in that log, there was a lot of those -- one for each vpatch. I should note though, my copy/paste may have thrown in some weird chars there, so just ignore that, that's not from your script, or my edits thereof.
mod6: Next thing was that I got into some very small trouble with: ./txt2dir.py trb makefiles
mod6: Simply because I didn't know that it was output to 'out/trb', and then I moved the dir to 'trb'. lol. So i tried to run the thing against a dir, not a crystal. Once I realized that, worked fine.
mod6: You'll note that I did follow the steps as posted in the email, and for instance:
mod6: mod6@gentoo ~/alf_crystals/alf $ ./v.pl p . makefiles.monoblok.vpatch
mod6: HEAD: makefiles.monoblok.vpatch not found in flow
asciilifeform: mod6: the press (using ordinary v) creates a text file, 'trb'. which then is 'untarred', if you will, to 'makefiles' .
asciilifeform: mod6: why would it be 'not found in flow' unless you didn't unpack the patches/seals/my key ?
mod6: So, that was minor, had to download all your monobloks and seals from the email. That was all. Overall, I think in early april, I did this late at night and just didn't follow your steps as correctly as I should have.
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i specifically warned folx not to blow toomuch time on playing with subj )
mod6: Hey, two evenings, not overly costly at all Sir.
asciilifeform: mod6: say, tho, whether the ~algo~ made sense to you
mod6: If I would have been more careful the first time, would have been 1.
mod6: I believe so, it does this: 1] It takes a press of v99. 2] Runs dir2txt.py on each dir, doing vdiffs of all the files. Stuffing output into monoblok. 3] Monoblok has 1 antecedent hash, 1 dependant hash, rest meta & source. 4] You load the monobloks (signed ofc) into a vtron, press them. They press into one giant file with metadata and source only. 5] one runs txt2dir.py on teh giant crystal to inflate univ
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 00:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to me a correctly designed and properly implemented version of trinque 's original doodle, which he summarily described as "bundle all files together and hash"
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes I've no problem with working in BTC, but you have to understand that when I say things like "no really, I've 1 computer, ~400 usd to my name and a package of camels" I really mean it.
gabriel_laddel: *shrugs* I'm interested in the lispm. BTC is incidental. Interesting, but incidental. Have sold my absolutely-not-a-lispm in the past & plan to continue doing so in the future. Last time around I was homeless, couldn't get rides to meetups, no ebay account etc. This time around, not so much.
ben_vulpes: look i admire your determination but there's no leverage and no market anywhere to be seen; you could be patient, scraping down food credits and suffering now for what will be an entire IC two decades from now had ye the foresight to not waste your time picking rags
ben_vulpes: which, make no mistake, is precisely what you're doing. pulling refuse from the usgstani fabrication pipeline and "oh dear sir or madam, this posey to spare your child from the plague i mean hailofbullets"
gabriel_laddel: fuck patience. That attitude is why we don't have one now. If people had just generally been less of a bunch of complete girly-men at symbolics, or the MIT AI lab, or Franz, or or or we'd have something that's close enough to "troo lispm" for me, even if ascii would be unhappy about it.
gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
ben_vulpes: no wot and no non-statally controlled monetary base, and so could build nothing sane.
ben_vulpes: because 'britneyization', the crushing drive to make everything as cheap, of as few and the cheapest atoms possible in order to sell it at the largest scale to the greatest number of people, because this is how socialism works: big tents, eyeballs, "hamburgers served", number of voters
ben_vulpes: and the starkest, most bleak indictment of all, no great men to serve
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: there is much enjoyment to be had in building great moocow milking machines
ben_vulpes: not in the work itself, innards of windows and "whitelabled mobile experiences" are only worthwhile insofar as they drain the beasts of their lifeblood
ben_vulpes: there is nothing "reasonable" about the trilema plan for wealth, come on now.
gabriel_laddel: I'd rather sell crack/arms/precursors than milk moocows.
ben_vulpes: i've yet to see evidence of you doing either, so the objection cannot stand.
ben_vulpes: flail in the dark on your own if you must.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:58 ben_vulpes: IA is for that revered fourth, fifth and sixth standard deviation; not for teh everyonez
mircea_popescu: which is why ux is such a terrible field. it's caught in this fundamental tension, between moomoos "wanting" to stay moomoos on one hand, and "doctor, my eye hurts every time i take a sip of my coffee" on the other.
mircea_popescu: the eastern/orthodox expression being "durerea-i ziditoare", ie, pain [builds] the kingdom of heaven
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:14 mircea_popescu: it really should be up to operator wtf, if i want to read dirty let me read dirty what sort of decision is this for designer to make.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, consider the eminent case of apache serving mp-wp. the fact that at t1 i updated the article list and at t2 the db read the stale t0 version makes EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE.
mircea_popescu: it's way the fuck better to ~serve~ even if the article is epsilon seconds "too old" than to hang while you update, or even fucking worse, reject the connection.
mircea_popescu: in the case of trilema, for instance, the db serving articles FROM YESTERDAY OR EARLIER ONLY, ie, 86400000000 microseconds old, is still 99% of the job done. cuz most of the time you're not even using it for "the latest", and even if there is a latest in any meaningful sense it's many millions / billions / trillions microseconds old anyway.
ben_vulpes: my attention is on the original phuctorgenic goal of "i don't care about your concurrency controls, gimme whatever's in the page ritenao!"
mircea_popescu: and even more complicated dirty mixes, whereby eg "the article -- new ; but the comments -- old, so we are serving a false imaginary situation that never could have existed irl!!!" is still... no harm done WHATSOEVER.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, that case is really no different ; phuctor is just a mechanized trilema with a narrow focus.
ben_vulpes: pg "SSI" does this correctly afaik; would serve coherent versions of comments and article i believe.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: didja ever benchmark running mpwp on postgres?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 22:04 asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available
spyked: lobbes, in general nicks grouped under a user might inherit other properties (e.g. op privileges), but I'm not sure whether this has any utility for bots. I only used it as a very cheap way to get cloak for bots, though probably the correct approach would be to register a user per nick.
spyked is of course curious to hear if this is considered an anti-feature by republican standards. but has used it for a while now.
asciilifeform: tho i wonder how he measured the bolix 3620; back when i had mine, it most certainly did not 'feel like' winblowz-levels of i/o lag
asciilifeform: ( iirc in old thread we discussed this: asciilifeform suspects that 'subjective lag' is not a function of absolute delay, but of ~variation~ in same )
spyked: from what I understood, he measured all of them by filming the keypress-to-screen latency with a high fps camera. though this begs the question of what even means "keypress registered" in case of software kbds. at least he put the touchscreens in another table.
mircea_popescu: spyked, there's about 0 interest in importing nickserv behaviours as some kind of perpetual legacy.
trinque: it's amazing how much gabriel_laddel reminds me of an old boss. nearly drank himself to death, grand mission to turn the www into a distributed db. the obsessive ones like this only get un-stuck by the threat of death, which is why they try as they might to impose it upon themselves.
asciilifeform: trinque: was it the sql master d00d from old thread ?
trinque: taking the simple case of a blog, node serves up a metadata endpoint that says "posts, comments, etc" and their structure. client can take suggestion from the server on how to display these, or can use whatever it likes on its end instead.
trinque: nodes can also describe transformations from one schema to another, so your "post" table's cols map to mine via a given function
trinque: whole project started at far too high a stack of chairs, atop postgres, browser, etc
asciilifeform: rright, i can picture this-much, but how did d00d's scheme get around the 'all-comers can make you spend 9000 cpu cycles whenever for the asking' problem.
trinque: guy had no notion of WoT, of gossipd, or anything. he's firmly an "our democracy" believer
trinque: made no attempt to solve many unavoidable problems, in pursuit of desired "UX"
asciilifeform: trinque: determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily; and so i suspect that most folx's experience with inventors, should they have any, resembles this one, 'fella worked on perpetuum mobile under meth for 20yrs , then went broke, drank'
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
asciilifeform: hey trinque , is it possible to cleanly remove the 8191-byte limitation for indexed fields in postgresql ?
asciilifeform: trinque: turns out, phuctor www end spends ~80% of cpu cycles in sequential scan for modulus, because index refused to be created. ( and no, 'hash them' is not solution, phuctor gotta be able to store ANY set of moduli, and not merely e.g. 512bits of possible ones )
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , other sqlists..? ^
mircea_popescu: "determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily" << fortunately, determination is not an elementary item, but can be further broken down and classified. there's the sort of determination resulting from narcissism, where it is simply fueled by the [perceived] cost of changing the other side, "what do you mean my model of sexuality and society is wrong, this'd mean i'd have to have a long talk with the woman in my hou