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2018-4-30 | 2018-5-2

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/qntra-s-qntr-april-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2018 Report
mircea_popescu: https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w300_and_h450_bestv2/rkmYIFbK0ooOgkxMdCB1aJGWs4Y.jpg << - >> http://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Tatiana-Drubich-27.jpg
asciilifeform: the one on right hand, has moar skin an' moar photoshop... not 'fair fight'
mircea_popescu: this is the whole fucking point. when the soviets are in charge they decide female sexual competition "not fair" hurr durr. everyone gets lazy, ugly and stupid.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point is that it's not fair nor will it ever be fair. cheat.
mircea_popescu: https://78.media.tumblr.com/e516da884d9237b8481e7875b18c642b/tumblr_neqjl7Hrbi1tgx3vwo1_1280.jpg << most unsoviet item.
asciilifeform: dun have to like sovok, but to blame it for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791180 is ahistoric
a111: Logged on 2018-03-30 03:40 mircea_popescu: and "peasant civilisation" as in mirvniki or the wooden civilisation that covered the hills of transylvania as late as the 1800s is "both must repress"
mircea_popescu: but the idea isn't that 1980s chickie ~couldn't~ have been beautiful. of course could have been. the problem is that there wasn't who to put random clothespins on her nippes so she actually WAS beautiful. and for lack of that, well... she might as well could not have been, because unactualized potential and absent potential are not distinct in any sense.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's orig point was precisely that... the clothespins dun do nuffin for asciilifeform . may as well be a hat with feather, or 9000 other things he's entirely insensitive to. and even the skins, i prefer the unedited ones. just-so.
asciilifeform: hence 'unlikely to agree'.
mircea_popescu: you are aware i was using it in the general, to denote the whole kit and kaboodle, high heels, proper posture, not being a lazy fuck, etc ?
asciilifeform: heels ditto
mircea_popescu: ~NONE~ of it does anything for you ?
asciilifeform: i hesitate to say 'none', possibly i agree with mircea_popescu's taste ~somewhere~
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: alf-aesthetics is a rough pass filter
asciilifeform: but i suspect that we came off conveyor with pretty much opposite set of antifuses .
mircea_popescu: you are aware that "safe space" campuses with "no rape" ~= unwashed cunts yes ?
asciilifeform: not aware, but will have to take mircea_popescu's word for it, if he saw this.
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presenets the STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS for the month of April, 2018: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-May/000299.html
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it was in the log this morning. with peterl lol.
asciilifeform: ( tho in usa folx wash obsessively, to the point of annihilating their skin bacteria dangerously )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but not there. because THEY CANT SEE IT. the difference between pantsuitism and aneurism -- minimal.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( tho in usa folx wash obsessively, to the point of annihilating their skin bacteria dangerously ) << Two of the potato nigger femayos insisted on wearing tank tops while they had actively draining boils in their armpits
mircea_popescu: poor bb.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8D28AAA08DE342FF2B891D133AC795D63BDE257A9CE91FC400A285CF0255AC24 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1482...2117 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.34.18.57 (ssh-rsa key from 193.34.18.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown FR)
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806862 << On the plus side more common than Potato Niggers are identical Argentine Schoolgirls
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 00:29 mircea_popescu: poor bb.
BingoBoingo: But the Cowork is frankly boring. Insufficient turnover there. Same Uruguayos dicking around on photoshop and playing Pinoy all the time.
mircea_popescu: argentine schoolgirls ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, There were a good number of times in January-February where my roommates for the night would be 7 identical argentine schoolgirls. They would sit in a circle and stare at their phones for hours, but at least they understand the importance of ventilation
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: And they make fine room decor hanging about in their lacy things.
BingoBoingo: Another time a family with children booked the other beds in my room and despite "No guests under 18" they were here during one of the Carnaval weekends
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen 'sucklessism' : http://betteros.org
mircea_popescu: heh w/e.
mircea_popescu: "better os because apps have gone to hell and here's some bits from wikipedia. paypal."
asciilifeform: seems to contain a number of kindergarten c/asm tutorials by some orc, and little else
mircea_popescu: it's a great thing he made his own genesis that isn't.
mircea_popescu: if the population of venice consisted of these fucks, the turks would have discovered a decrepit fisherman's village populated of a bunch of stiff retards gathered on the beach pointing at the sea.
mircea_popescu: "are you doing anything here ?" "we're showing the way!"
ben_vulpes: on the topic of OSen, there's also alphabet's new "very much not linux" https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/
mircea_popescu: o look, fsf totally won.
mircea_popescu: it's not proper to call it linux, it's gnu/linux, ok ? the inept crud on the side mattered, as proven by the fact that it was left behind once the core was stolen!
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/172Wm6TXmfnUGp9yXPorJrhRZzj4PSqRor << not even enough of a clue to seed his busking hat, the orc.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu : what sort of sv usg.corp would it be if it did not ( like e.g. crapple ) have own 'microkernel' abomination
mircea_popescu: a slightly less retarded one ?
asciilifeform: think, they collaborated on 'killing' gcc ( to be rid of the human mushroom ) and nao ditto for linuxkernel ( to be rid of the not always-cooperative linus )
asciilifeform: and in long term to set the stage for 'we finally standardized pc hardware' ( on googlenintendo naturally )
asciilifeform: i.e. to take over the old functions of usg.microshit.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806718 << Nice! Thanks :]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 19:58 mircea_popescu: aaand mpex is back via mpex.biz.
mod6: I kinda dig the clothes-pins.
mod6: Strictly speaking, that's a very nice rack of tits, but the clothes-pins add some nice aesthetic.
mircea_popescu: not to mention ease of handling
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's the fate of all government-powered pretend-business : to be rolled up into ever larger dollops, eventually a single one.
mircea_popescu: gosplan is gosplan.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff this is not how orig gosplan worked. ( there was a multitude of -- de-facto independent -- factories , often overlapping in subj matter )
mircea_popescu: originally. then they slowly got absorbed into larger items
mircea_popescu: kinda the problem with imaginary objects. they converge.
ave1: !Q later tell asciilifeform The gcc makefiles use gnatls to find the runtime system directory, they do 'gnatls -v | grep adalib'. When ADA_OBJECTS_PATH is set, that line will return two directories and the build fails. Could you past the output of gnatls -v? (I can fix it with an extra head or tail call, but that also seems fragile)
lobbesbot: ave1: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !Qseen phf
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: phf was last seen in #trilema 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <phf> “Happy Birthday, Karl Marx. You Were Right (nytimes.com)”
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the "reasonable" notion would be to not start this conversation well past midnight ; but my expectation is that were i to wait till tomorrow, or till six weeks from now, it'll still have to be carried exactly in the same manner for exactly the same reason, so what the hell difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: yo phf, what's the status on any of the n items you were going to be delivering except failed to ever mention again ?
mircea_popescu: is the manifest issue fixed ? is the graphing done ? am i what, going to lose v now because i'm too polite to yell, and left to your own devices you're just going to break it, permanently, obscurely, and forget about it ? or what's the fucking logic here.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i noted several times in the last weeks/months phf was reporting pretty clearly what was being worked on, etas, etc, fwiw --eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-25#1789616 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786023 . it's gotta be difficult to keep absolutely everything not only organized but also organizedly communicated, eh.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-25 19:48 phf: hanbot: note that http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#selection-147.0-192.0 i'm going to fix it by wednesday, but if you can give me an unsigned rough draft of a keccak mp-wp.vpatch before then, i'll be able to use it as a test
a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 19:40 phf: in any case i'll produce a fix by wednesday, but not before. this requires careful work
mircea_popescu: dude check out the timestamps, 25th of feb, 25th of march, 19:40ish ? wtf coincidence is that.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794613 << did this ever progress past hack afayk ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 14:31 mircea_popescu: a right. hanbot do me a favour : download ~only~ those patches which are in the leftmost trunk seen on phf's viewer (so exclude vtools_vdiff_sha, and its dependents) and try to flow again ?
hanbot: nop, last mention was a little over a week ago tho. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803539
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 04:05 phf: trinque: it wouldn't, i believe there's an antecedent->dependency transformation issues (i.e. the transform in mod6 v is adhoc, so it can't handle the tricky antecedent graph). the approach hanbot used was to just use the patches from the left branch of the graph, until, per mircea_popescu's request, i write a general purpose v graph code.
mircea_popescu: well, so if i'm talking to someone that's not particularly keen on doing me any favours, what do i say to them ? something like "don't use v, it is broken" ? so they can ask me for how long it's been broken and i can say what, a month ? and they can then ask when it is going to be fixed and i can say "dunno" ?
mircea_popescu: i gotta be able to do better than that wtf.
hanbot: well, left branch approach does exist; that's why i was even able to put up the mp-wp genesis, after all. as for fix, sure an eta'd be better than no eta. i'm just sayin', doesn't look much like a runner to me.
mircea_popescu: it's still fucking broken. what's next, "we here at V house all halal, do graph by hand" ? and that's just one thing ; i have the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759100 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791593 chain
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 04:33 mircea_popescu: how about a convention whereby all new genesises must contain a manifest.genesis file, which file will be constantly patched on each patchj, no exceptions, by adding a line which reads : "This is patch #x and the codebase hash is blabla".
a111: Logged on 2018-03-30 23:52 phf: well, i'm now convinced that manifest is an elegant, minimally invasive solution. i'll try it in a regrind.
mircea_popescu: fellow strikes me as intelligent in conversation, then i keep having somehow the exact sort of problems with him that i usually have with idiots : i have no fucking idea what's going on, and i have to twist arms to sorta find out, maybe.
mod6: Back in the old days, there was one tree. I'm still not sure what problem we are trying to solve with all of this.
mod6: If there were vpatches in your flow that went down two different paths, you simply removed those vpatches from your 'patches' directory. Press path A. You want bath B? Then you just add in what ever path B consists.
trinque: the problem is that I have two unrelated patches (in reality, not theoretically)
trinque: how do I introduce a 3rd that doesn't abandon any it does not itself modify.
trinque: this has been restated in the logs several times by now.
trinque: your solution in the makefiles patch was to comment in unrelated files, which was inelegant.
mod6: why are they unrelated ? are they not a part of the same project?
trinque: why did you have to comment in files unrelated to the makefiles patch?
trinque: the answer to your question is right there
mod6: and just because it has been stated several times in the logs, does't mean it makes sense to me.
mod6: I feel like that is two different cases maybe. That was the case of tying up the leaves.
mod6: This is something where you have two totally different trees, merged into one.
mod6: I dunno, nevermind. Maybe will just have to leave this complicated work up to those whom understand it better.
trinque: distinguish "tying up the leaves" from what I said?
trinque: you would have dropped one of the antecedent patches you wanted if you hadn't commented in files they edited, right?
mod6: huh? no.
mod6: not at that time. at that time, we just pressed all leaves anyway.
mod6: this just made it "tidy".
mod6: One leaf.
asciilifeform: trinque: didja ever get a chance to try the algo i demo'd in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html ? what did you think ?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: Sent 8 hours and 46 minutes ago: <ave1> The gcc makefiles use gnatls to find the runtime system directory, they do 'gnatls -v | grep adalib'. When ADA_OBJECTS_PATH is set, that line will return two directories and the build fails. Could you past the output of gnatls -v? (I can fix it with an extra head or tail call, but that also seems fragile)
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jQJBX/?raw=true
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: I actually did.
mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB.
mod6: Sad to report.
asciilifeform: mod6: considering that the example i gave ~is~ the totality of the trb tree, i'm a bit puzzled, what was it you tried ?
mod6: I'd have to go back an look, but I seem to recall trying to use it to create the trb patches, then inflate from those. and when I did, lotsa hunks/fuzz etc.
asciilifeform: ( if you grab the attachments of the ml post, and follow the instructions, you get bitwise-identical trb on every step of the ladder , vs the respective trb at that step in the orig tree . )
mod6: I'll pull out my notes later today if you actuall want.
asciilifeform: mod6: generally it's good practice to send in the eggogs some time near the time you actually did the test...
asciilifeform: but better late than never
mod6: It's very possible i just misused this tool.
mod6: well, fwiw, i'm trying to not get sucked back into all of this. as far as I'm concerned V works.
asciilifeform: mod6: the linked item was written in as illustration of 1 possible solution to problem posed by mircea_popescu and trinque , in re spuriously-independent patches creating misleading graph
asciilifeform: and the 'tldr' of it is: if you download the patches/sigs in the example, and press to any particular one, you get a file 'trb', which, when put through included proggy 'txt2dir' results in a bitwise-correct (i.e. bit-identical to classical tree that we have for trb) press.
asciilifeform: in the interest of saving log bandwidth >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-02#1792071 << thread, where i described.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-02 22:04 asciilifeform: trinque, phf , other vtronicists : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html
trinque considers the ability to be able to move files without miles of diff insanity pretty damned cool
trinque: and in service to fits-in-head
asciilifeform: trinque: moving, renaming, etc. and yes you get it 'for free'.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, crystals is neato. Just tried to press (iirc) out the big thing and hit some sort of issues.
asciilifeform: trinque: it's actually your algo, i just proggified it.
trinque: I can also see an argument from mod6 that "pressing all leaves" ~did work, but that's not what's currently done.
mod6: I'll have to get you the info. Probably later today.
mod6: And yea, V 99993K removed that, and now can only press to one leaf.
mod6: I personally find this obnoxious.
mod6: If there are 3 leaves, A, B, and C. And for some reason, I shouldn't have B and C, then I should just be a man, and remove them from my 'patches' dir.
mod6: Otherwise we have a lot of extra complexity and mental gymnatics.
trinque: yeah, could remove press head entirely and press all it can, and operator controls via patch, seals, and wot, eh?
trinque: I can see that argument too
asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw it was how my orig (unreleased) vtron worked.
asciilifeform: ( the 'press all it can' specifically )
mod6: You may just have to disrgard what I was saying above, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: hm?
mod6: (re: crystals) re-reading the email, it is jogging my memory that I didn't use the included trb files specifically. I recall screwing around and wiring in my vtron, as opposed to your vtron, then who knows. I probably did something dumb.
mod6: Which is why I don't think I ever posted about it. My attention probably turned to other things, and I haven't circled back yet.
mod6: I'll maybe start fresh on it and see how it goes.
asciilifeform: mod6: there's not an urgent and dire need to test the linked item ( though fwiw it stood up to exhaustive test on asciilifeform's side ). i linked it in response to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806923 thread strictly.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:38 trinque: the problem is that I have two unrelated patches (in reality, not theoretically)
asciilifeform: probably i ought to have pointed this out moar clearly.
mod6: well, sure not "urgent", but I shouldn't say "didn't work" either.
mod6: anyway, <3
mod6: bbs
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806960 << forgot to add: recall, it also abolishes inbandism.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:59 trinque: and in service to fits-in-head
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806905 << well my fiat responsibilities are disrupting any kind of reasonable scheduling. i'm not 9 to 5, my fiat work goes through periods of heavy activity that are aligned with particular industry. and right now it's a particular mess, owner had a baby 3 weeks early, 2 weeks ago, another c level is having a baby in a week, and we're in the middle of a release. previous republican work was kind of cutting into some
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 06:55 mircea_popescu: is the manifest issue fixed ? is the graphing done ? am i what, going to lose v now because i'm too polite to yell, and left to your own devices you're just going to break it, permanently, obscurely, and forget about it ? or what's the fucking logic here.
phf: of that fiat work, but now i can't even afford to borrow against future time. basically since i came back from a vacation when the bulk of V work was done, i had very little free time. the republican policy is variations on "fuck your fiat excuses", but that is what's creating these vacuums of "it'll be done... sometime"
mircea_popescu: phf, ok, so then say. "hey folks -- job fucked me over, i'll be lost in the swamp for [2 days ; 3 weeks ; 4 months]" whatever it is. why should i have to try and guess ?
mircea_popescu: you didn't even as much as say "hey, i have a job irl". am i to assume you do ? why should i have to assume, why should i have to guess, there's simply no benefit to doing it this way.
mircea_popescu: !!up mother[m]
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, we have examples of diana_coman etc. who manages to do republican work while "raising a baby and having a day time job". presumably this shit can somehow be scheduled and managed better, i.e. the fact that those things even need to be communicated is an organizational failure. some progress could be made.
phf: those thing being "i have a job irl"
mircea_popescu: i know her! her day job is working for me!
phf: lol
phf: well then
mircea_popescu: just because i seem to be guessing successfully in case X does not mean you should put me in the situation of guessing about you. it just does not fucking pay.
mircea_popescu: if i have to guess i'll possibly guess wrongly ; if i have to assume i will conceivably assume incorrectly. why ? what does it pay ? just say. i know they told you discreet pays, but they lied. discreet does not pay. blunt wins.
mircea_popescu: mod6, they're "unrelated" in the sense that not all files are touched at the same time, by each patch -- principally because we favour small patches.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806945 << "did nasty things" is not a report ;/
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:50 mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806970 << and operator will bite an anvil made out of solid combinatorialexplosioum.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 15:05 trinque: yeah, could remove press head entirely and press all it can, and operator controls via patch, seals, and wot, eh?
phf: aight, i'm going to be out of commission until mid may. i have comments for eulora that i need to type up (i got to sit down with a printout out over this weekend), i'm not sure about the amount of work required for the grapher until i have time to sit down and read v.pl (i sort of have an idea of how to implement it as part of vtools, but i'm not sure if the slicing is adequate), until i do i don't have a clear idea of how long it's going to take. i m
phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
mircea_popescu: cool. so now we know!
mircea_popescu: "fuck your fiat excuses" cuts both ways. we simply don't care, which can mean also we don't mind! just you know, make it easy for everyone to not mind, it'll be that then.
mircea_popescu: trinque, what's your stance here, do you particularly want to implement a grapher / manifest / generally fix a v ? not really ?
mircea_popescu: i specifically don't want it on asciilifeform 's plate because i'm hoping that he and ave1 can actually get gpr work for irl purposes. if i manage to get eulora server off the fsf toolchain it'll be such a win the likes of which i hadn't dared hope for last year. between that and getting pizarro off the ground he has plenty, and not readily replaceable.
mircea_popescu: but we have esthlos waited on a fix, and then there's whatever you were waiting to publish. so i'm guessing it'd have to be one of you.
mircea_popescu: hey mod6 how's your ada v coming along ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of which, his fix seems to work ( build still going , already got past where last barfed )
phf: well, manifest is in the vtools project, but there's no programmatic support for it, because it's not even clear to me what sort of programmatic support might be needed. as it stands anyone is free to add or not add a manifest to their particular graph. the result of this experiment is that manifest works, you can see its output on the site. problem that we have is the need for a smarter grapher, the solution to which might just be "if it hurts when yo
phf: u do it, don't do it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, *thumbs*
asciilifeform: theoretically should output a musltronic gnat.
mircea_popescu: phf, i get it dood, takes some thinking you've not had time to do. it's not the end of the world or anything, what the hell.
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ item here is that if you had said "hey, i work with women, we're at that age when they're becoming patently useless / damaging to a professional career, i'll be fucked till mid may" when they started popping babies while preternding to be "owners" of shit, we'd have had this convo late march not early may.
phf nods
mircea_popescu: not like you're the first to run into something in the entire history of the world.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806945 << "did nasty things" is not a report ;/ << Yeah, my apologies, I'll re-do.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:50 mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB.
phf: ok, back to the grind for me then
mircea_popescu: enjoy.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 how's your ada v coming along ? << Still stuck in the drawer. I haevn't even touched it since Q3 of 17. I'm distinctly intersted in rawtx tools getting into trb, currently.
mod6: The problem with the Ada version is the string parsing.
mircea_popescu: alrighty, do that then.
mircea_popescu: i should prolly have a betting pool over how many retarded byte errors of the "hey, check them out, they forgot a comma" type he's gonna find before he releases anything.
mod6: And I'll certainly need to write something (or work with someone) to produce a ~fast~ parser. It's a giant ass-pain with the fixed-length strings.
mod6: Where I did get to last year, had some of this working, not all, but some; and it was SLOOOOW. Too much string processing.
mod6: mircea_popescu: oh, betting against us or prb?
mircea_popescu: mod6, there's no rush there, esthlos had 90% of a working lisp v, i expect it can be tweaked into a deliverable. can have ada v later on.
mircea_popescu: mod6, just how many you'll find, it's already 1, and the rule goes 0-1-inf.
asciilifeform: mod6: parser for what ? tx ? you allocate a max-tx-sized (1 decimal MB...) buffer and shift the input into it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no that was re v.
mod6: fwiw, I did look for other appearences of the same bug in all of the trb source files, however, I didn't see one. Doesn't mean that they don't exist. I invite all to examine the source.
asciilifeform: aaa
mircea_popescu: it's not a trivial problem, from ada perspective.
mircea_popescu: "so how long is this gonna be ?" "We don't know." "bitch, go back to picking apples."
mod6: Exactly, 0, 1, inf. I was worried about this. MOre pairs of eyes are good here.
asciilifeform: trivial if you download 'horsecocks.tar' and use my mmap routine.
mircea_popescu: "programming is for when you know."
asciilifeform: then no need to allocate anyffing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there is that.
mod6: see, I did think that alf had produced something of this kind that was connected to ffa.
asciilifeform: mod6: prior
mod6: I need to go and look at that, I might be able to use that outright, or borrow from it.
asciilifeform: it was used in my 'nqb' ( 'not quite bitcoin' ) skeleton
mircea_popescu: mod6, was a while ago. but anyway, nevermind, you'll do all this later. get tx tooling into trb, by all means.
mod6: oh, hmm. I'll have to remind myself.
asciilifeform: and yes it can be used straight, the demo builds on all known gnats iirc
mod6: Yeah, I've got 'getrawtransaction', 'decoderawtransaction' working and minimally tested. createrawtransaction is built and untestd entirely (was working on recent bug report instead). that leaves signrawtransaction, and sendrawtransaction... and maybe listunspent too.
mod6: But listunspent I already had working long ago, but not with the way you wanted it.
mod6: which, requires a lot more changes, so we'll see.
mircea_popescu: aite.
trinque: neat mod6. super useful for the wallet.
mod6: sign and send are gonna be a tough ones, so we'll see how it goes. I've got a new test machine on the way, so I gotta stand that up, etc for all of this too.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I am entirely willing to help esthlos finish his V
asciilifeform: mod6: thread re 'horsecocks' -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667738 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682491 , possibly elsewhere.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 17:17 mod6: speaking of ada stuff. i did get horsecocks to compile just fine with the changes that were discussed previously with diana_coman
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:27 asciilifeform: phf: witness what i did re mmap for instance.
asciilifeform: ( btw, all of the nosuchlabs/pub/* linx , work again ! )
mod6: Thanks asciilifeform
asciilifeform: np
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks too for prodding me about Ada-vtron. I'll poke at it as I can, for sure.
mod6: One other thing about ada-vtron, at the time, I was using system commands to execute `gnupg'. Where as now, perhaps we can use ffa/peh.
mod6: Or work up to that point, anyway.
mod6: Anyway, food for thought.
mod6 bbl, meat.
mircea_popescu: mod6, that's actually... exactly the opposite of what i said!
mircea_popescu: do the tx stuff ; ada vtron can wait.
mircea_popescu: trinque, alright, then that's the plan here, you and esthlos come up with a v i can point people at when they have to publish ; you can test it by publishing whatever it was you were about to on it, and there we go.
mircea_popescu: keccak hashing, yes ?
trinque: yep, all sounds good.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, ^
asciilifeform: quasi-relatedly, asciilifeform found himself wondering, why we're still on fleanode... between pizarro, mircea_popescu's racked boxes ( idk where, but presumably good ones ? ) , asciilifeform's own fiber, trinque , etc. could have a very solid irc net, potentially
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, because they've not kicked us off yet.
asciilifeform: lol! 'why do we live in the train tunnel, we could afford flat' 'they haven't kicked us yet...'
mircea_popescu: what's the problem, anyway, we hang out here with 50k cockcaged retards, singlehandedly make up 99% of all their intellectual products while they pretend we don't exist.
asciilifeform: cruddy connections , afaik, is the only recurrent problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you propose to bereave me of the future "O yEaH ?!?!?! YOU ARE BANNED THEN!!!!" "you think i care ?" "of course you do! everyone cares!!!!" lulz ? hm ?
asciilifeform: lol point
mircea_popescu: as a smart slut once told peggy, "to have fun you need to organize it"
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 with both vars unset, much farther than before, but still nope : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mm9hN/?raw=true
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i can't fucking believe the recipe relies on git, lol
ave1: Aha, and I was just writing my response.
lobbesbot: ave1: Sent 2 hours and 38 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jQJBX/?raw=true
lobbesbot: ave1: Sent 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> with both vars unset, much farther than before, but still nope : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mm9hN/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ave1: the 1 thing that really, really gotta be fixed, is the 'now you get to start the 3h build from 0 every time' thing.
ave1: Yes, I it is, I will remove that dependency promptly. Taking complex scripts from the wild takes some time to fix.
asciilifeform: srsly this was a solved problem in 1985 or whenever first makefile was written.
ave1: Will do, it already has some mechanism to check if something was build and skip that step. I will look at it some more.
ave1: Currently the mechanism is not fail save, so it sometimes skips a step even if it was unsuccessful.
asciilifeform: also needs a central place to put '-j32' where it will be fed to ALL gcc & gnat invocations so that my 32-cpu box can do the Right Thing
ave1: That one should not be too hard, most work is done in the buildinstall function in defs.h
ave1: sorry defs.sh
ave1: before starting do: export MAKEFLAGS="-j32".
trinque looks upon his 16 core poverty in shame
asciilifeform: should use gentoo's standard MAKEOPTS
mircea_popescu: the standards in computing are a thing to behold.
lobbes apologizes for all the lobbesbot join/part spam. Will have to investigate once out of saltmines
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, that's actually... exactly the opposite of what i said! << I've got ya. I'm just gonna stay on this rawtx stuffs, I'm making ok progress atm.
mircea_popescu: cool.
BingoBoingo: And we have yet another family with children in the hostel
BingoBoingo: And in the Sportsmen being MEN department: "Bauer told Passan that he repeatedly bugged the Indians’ medical staff to cauterize his finger wound shut with a soldering iron. They laughed at him, but Bauer was 100 percent serious. He truly wanted his already mangled finger to be burnt shut so bad he almost performed the procedure himself."
lobbes: Ugh, so my www on my frantech vps has been dog slow all day. Same vps that hosts lobbesbot, so possibly I have finally outgrown the thing (currently hosts bot, mp-wp, archived urls index, eulora price history, and various misc)
lobbes: Pizarro folx, would rockchip box be enough juice for the above? And is it still $75 for a quarter?
lobbes: Essentially would need it for various php-trons, mp-wp hosting, and irc bottage.
asciilifeform: lobbes: definitely oughta suffice for the described use
asciilifeform: ( 4 cores, 2G ram )
asciilifeform: and afaik price is still same ( confirm with ben_vulpes & mod6 )
lobbes: And s/"still $75 for quarter?"/"still $75 per month if pay whole quarter?"/
lobbes: Nice
asciilifeform: correct
asciilifeform: can buy multiple quarters ahead of time if you like, also.
asciilifeform has become rather fond of the rockbox , even bought some moar for the torture room after coming back from BingoBoingostan
asciilifeform: err, rockchip box
asciilifeform: i suppose this is not bad time to mention that i have experimental gentoo for a deloused (i.e. degoogleated) c101pa laptop
asciilifeform bbl
lobbes: Ty asciilifeform for info. Ima bbl as well (leaving saltmines), but I'm sold. ben_vulpes: plox to invoice me for one quarter of rockchip box when you are able
ben_vulpes: lobbes: ack
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: awesome
asciilifeform: this makes for... 4 of 6 sold
asciilifeform: get'em while they're on the shelf, folx!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do these come with fg or as an optional ?
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me that ~for the first time~ in the history of computing, we have hardware capable of on the fly rsa-ing.
mod6: This is an interesting question.
mod6: I suppose that one could be connected directly to the board, right asciilifeform? But would it physically have to be placed, i.e. underneath, the riser bolts/pegs?
mod6 goes to find the picture
mod6: Like so: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rockchip1.jpg
mod6: Ooh, I see some are double stacked.
mod6: anyway, bbl
asciilifeform: mod6, mircea_popescu : they have not 1 but 2 uart's, already at ttl signal level, pretty much born to FG
asciilifeform: ( naturally they also take conventional usb-ttl FG trivially )
asciilifeform: and i doubt it would take BingoBoingo very much sweat to craft a suitable shelf to keep the FG-en on.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. they do not come with FG by default, but this is available as an option; interested folx should ping ben_vulpes & mod6 and inquire re price )
asciilifeform: re shelf, there is room on the ~existing~ shelf for 2 FG , without obstruction of airflow.
asciilifeform: ( as illustrated in the photo linked by mod6 )
asciilifeform: keep in mind that this is a pilot plant; in 'adult' 1u and 2u designs there is designated slot for FG for ~each~ board.
asciilifeform: if pilot plant sells out and stays full -- then we construct the full plant ( and eventually migrate pilot customers to it also )
asciilifeform: incidentally, asciilifeform seems to recall that some yrs ago jurov was looking at an arm-chipset hosting thing. jurov , still looking ? perhaps this one will work for you
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's not a small thing this, safe online rsa.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly we oughta make the successor FG, in already the 'four holes of rpi3' form factor that rockchip has, so as to stack'em cleanly..
mircea_popescu: this is indeed where the junction is going, evolve a pcb for official arm item specifically.
mircea_popescu: but premature yet, give it six months in industrial application.
asciilifeform: ( tho mebbe not, because one couldn't then http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fg_typical.jpg )
mircea_popescu: just a matter of adapted pcb ; still same item.
asciilifeform: aha
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, mod6 what's the price for a rockchip *with* fg as per asciilifeform's description above?
asciilifeform: ( in re industrial application -- asciilifeform has found , while back, that FG might be one of the few electronic items which ~like~ elevated , within reason ( dun wanna melt the solder balls or warp the pcb, so no boiling lead plox ) temperatures... )
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: illustration, so to speak, of the connection b/w 'physical' entropy and the rng one
asciilifeform: mod6: they are not merely double- but N- stackable. however power supply gets gnarly in that geometry, and the pilot plant as pictured, oughta be considered full
asciilifeform brb,meat
mod6: Ah, ok. Thanks for the info asciilifeform.
mod6: diana_coman: We'll discuss and figure out what makes sense, will report back.

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