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2018-1-11 | 2018-1-13

shinohai: http://archive.is/EKwAf <<< LOL " Through their Change.org petition, they want to make BCH the default trading market on Coinbase"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769081 << are you basically saying that there's a maximum size of the black box which permits it to remain black to abritrary shaking ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:09 asciilifeform: apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size
knubie: goodnight guys.. =)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769118 << now this is interesting ; and yes quite a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769119 / http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/#selection-571.975-571.1108 item at that.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:17 asciilifeform: but in principle apeloyee is right, one could make a 'page swapped' tile of 'ice's.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:18 asciilifeform: possibly even use it perversely to perform certain computations quickly.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769458 << i find these lulshits, "alien conference" held by the la comicon whores in the la comicon hangars as a very useful sugar trap. rms -- opted to go to nefario's lulference, is now fucked.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 23:07 asciilifeform: '“Due to network congestion and manual processing, we have closed ticket payments using cryptocurrencies — Hopefully, next year there will be more unity in the community about scaling and global adoption becomes a reality.' << lol, theywontfuckingyield(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu welcomes further clueless derps to step on the rake, by all means.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769475 << hey, the boers tried, but ultimately couldn't get the kids interested in anything other than fucking around with period equiv of iphone, gave up, went away.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 23:19 trinque fully expects to live to hear the explanation for this cuckery reduced to "they sat down too much, oh and plastic"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769488 << this is very much a function as well as result of http://trilema.com/2018/ridoinculous-taboos/ : "having never fucked toghether, my parents are culturally dead to me."
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 23:33 trinque: also in batman, "my parents are dead!!11!", also shows up a lot in disney garbage. interesting how art does its thing whether they producing meant to or not.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769493 << very basic specificity-of-diddling lemma. i.e. if i put today's trilema through it, it isn't as if it knows in advance that it ain't an analogue-rng-board plugged in, and what to shit out in response to a trilema that ain't yet been written
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 00:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769081 << are you basically saying that there's a maximum size of the black box which permits it to remain black to abritrary shaking ?
mircea_popescu: but if it shat out sha(input + salt) you wouldn't know.
asciilifeform: why ?
mircea_popescu: shall we do this experiment ?
asciilifeform: i know exactly what's expected to come out for a given input
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the yoke test consists of precisely this experiment
asciilifeform: i invite mircea_popescu to do it with 2 of his fg
mircea_popescu: alright, i will now proceed to "rng" your lines. starting with above : 21ec922676d4145fbcbc4e1d05436e31ffc45b0b6b30c38f3397840a2111282640ab321b906a9d911af757a3a6b550e8fc9aaffc9089a1ca881d980f60617c9b
asciilifeform: you gotta feed it in at the requisite clock.
asciilifeform doesn't currently have the rig for this set up on desk
mircea_popescu: 5e27bfa2124fc47579899d8cc25c46c01ddb4c7c9a67387a2d6167c4576e11e07b692aa8045c01ab4ee635cd37fb82cf1dd1e84d4579265ff0c0a4236a9a8025
mircea_popescu: 32b05e6f90abf11865f57021a91e335d4593d2983d52daa4d1c0a6d5ae4acd491628cbc71a52187efd48427315dd2b70cf645ac126ae78127aa31aec6619cdb2
asciilifeform: the standard yoke test is done against a known-good unit, rather than like this. ( why, is described in the log from late 2016 )
mircea_popescu: 58acc2f7a255c650c156d9fbc20248a7814a2458ce2da98c115408d5497cd78d6d57759a37c2705762bf6ee03f7af8ae3a187c2f4d3715e3abd30ffe66837656
mircea_popescu: 71354e3ac7ae3a1529870fc90e287f7f67d75dee11cf90827fe93a94e4c2cc2fb5bcf81dcf0a650b7491d1de9b7b3b4f9453a06380179fe3d437717b93092b24
mircea_popescu: (sha512 line+"hurr", should be enough for everyone).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you would have to feed'em in pairwise ( or bit-interleaved ), as the thing has two 'mouths'. but otherwise yes, you feed'em in at particular clock, and oughta expect particular output.
mircea_popescu: i'm just going by what you said ; yes it's unrelated to what actually happens, but that's your fault!
asciilifeform: there is nuffin unreasonable about it, i just dun have the arse-mouth hoses set up atm.
asciilifeform: it's what that 4th pin on fg, is for.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769081 << that's nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:09 asciilifeform: apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size
asciilifeform: ok i'll bite, where does it store the correct-output corresponding to, e.g., tomorrow's #t log
mircea_popescu: in here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769522
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 01:09 mircea_popescu: (sha512 line+"hurr", should be enough for everyone).
mircea_popescu: stored a good few tb in those bytes.
asciilifeform: that ain't the output of the fg.v state machine tho.
mircea_popescu: no, it's a different machine.
asciilifeform: right. and if that's what you get out of the hose, you know that you've been slipped a fg that sha512('hurr'+sha512('hurr'....
mircea_popescu: ...
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder if mircea_popescu ever actually read the instruction.
asciilifeform: ( and with rum, or without )
asciilifeform: ( folx who ~did~ read it , know that it is possible to determine that a particular fg evaluates the same function on the input, for a particular string pair S1, S2 of bits, fed simultaneously into I1a, I2a, I1b, I2b, of FG a and b respectively; by syncing the oscillators , by connecting the 4th pins of a and b together.
asciilifeform: but if you to compute the particular output expected for S1, S2 in advance, you gotta specify the clock freq, and run fg.v in e.g. 'verilator' . and it takes a while. )
asciilifeform: *want to
asciilifeform: *particular pair of fg evaluates...
mircea_popescu: let's just say that this "need at least 1 bit of blackbox per tb of arbitrary input" view is, sadly, not how it works.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to make a 2nd test jig to give to mircea_popescu for his bday or sumthing, apparently.
asciilifeform: (originally expected that folx would do this with own hands, lol)
asciilifeform: item's as close as asciilifeform knows how to make, to 'testable with bare hands', but not closer.
asciilifeform: ( $subj is figure 2 of https://archive.is/CGQkR . )
asciilifeform: incidentally the 'pull out rng 'a', then 'b', then 'both', then...' test is a low-tech preventer of 'enemy intercepts parcel and reflashes the cpld to shit marsaglia prng'.
asciilifeform: but at this point almost certainly repeating ancient thread.
asciilifeform: ( exercise for advanced reader : write a substitute evil_fg.v that fools a user who limits himself to the above test. )
asciilifeform: and hah, i think i finally see what mircea_popescu's objection was. no, thing dun have to physically store every byte of 'evil' output. elementarily a sabotaged fg will behave as prng.
asciilifeform thought this was clear from context, apparently this is a sin
danielpbarron: https://youtu.be/ExAydddhsIk << for you animaniacs fans
shinohai: rofl danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform omfg stop spewing, jesus christ. you said A STUPID THING. i ~asked~ you whether you mean the stupid thing. you CONFIRMED. i showed you why the thing you said is the stupid thing. you're now on the 25th line of "oh no really, unrelated item". never you fucking mind fgs and test righs and whatnot. the original proposition, as stated, was broken.
mircea_popescu: there's no such wonder in nature as the fabled "no room inside to blackbox". if only there were, yes. but there isn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! finally, i guess i shoulda read all them lines. so then!
asciilifeform just hung up a 4 square metre corkboard, interesting how room seems now quieter
asciilifeform: didn't think it would make a palpable diff ( and it is not why i have it ) but still lulzy
mircea_popescu just ate his pot of beans. shall i recount how it came to be ? if anyone's cookingcurious...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are your walls concrete ?
asciilifeform: nope, cardboard
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: it's just about inconceivable how much concrete vibrates.
asciilifeform: here in cardboardland can only dream of concrete.
asciilifeform: but yes rigid objects vibrate
mircea_popescu: the vinyl siding things, i've never measured. but concrete is basically a sponge of any energy -> low freq vibration.
mircea_popescu: if you're sensitive to it, wouldn't surprise me if a cork shadowing you would be perceivable.
asciilifeform: lolyea if i lived in a concrete room i might end up with 4 corkboards, not 1
mircea_popescu: or rugs.
asciilifeform draws the orcline at rugs!111
mircea_popescu: ro cannonical is "rapirea din serai", ie, kidnapping sabine scene
asciilifeform: i think i saw it !
asciilifeform: in that adhoc museum thing
mircea_popescu: aha. i expect.
asciilifeform: 'communist konsoomer'
mircea_popescu: aaand in ancient cazallas, http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2232820&p=22&#r432
mircea_popescu: "This is obviously just my opinion but if your buying anything now your literally throwing money down the drain. It doesnt matter how high the value might get its more of how low will it get and everything is clearly headed down." << 2014 aussie wisdom re btc.
mircea_popescu: THE COMMON PEOPLE!
asciilifeform turns head and looks at the literal wall of ffa
asciilifeform: prolly i'ma have the thing printed as a poster, in the end, for aficionados.
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea!
asciilifeform: anyone recall linus's orig. poster ?
mircea_popescu: yep.
asciilifeform: i once worked in a salt mine where a d00d had it in his cell, the way other prisoners have pr0n
mircea_popescu: i can believe.
shinohai: http://archive.is/PAeyd <<< tl;dr "Oh shit, mircea_popescu was right"
mircea_popescu: aww!
asciilifeform: shinohai: lol, without of course any such mention in'ere
mircea_popescu: "active in the cryptocurrency space", what happens when you're not part of bitcoin but like rubber chicken.
asciilifeform: and in fact thing reads like the usual 'it WASN'T ME! it was THESE sc4mz0rs overTHERE' rubbish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fwiw, the pantsuit attempt to "counter fake news" by making five trillion of these worthless medium shits is quite amusing.
shinohai: Precisely like that
mircea_popescu: they really dun get how anything works, do they.\
asciilifeform: they ~all read exactly ~same
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: but then again i'm not an expert entomologist
mircea_popescu: but "different" because "different domain" see.
shinohai: Yet still can't conceive that it is game over for altcorn
asciilifeform: this one saved the apparently mandatory scalingism claptrap for the last few para.
asciilifeform: which i suppose is different from 2016 pinoy style guide.
mircea_popescu: improvements! reform! PROGRESS!
phf: lucy was lulzy, about 10-15 minutes worth watching and then it goes completely off rails, and like some kind of psychedelic train keeps rolling through landscape out and away.
mircea_popescu: phf exactly.
mircea_popescu: the early part, up until the passports wank, could have worked as part of a different film. woman can act, if only she weren't caught in the pantsuitwank she could have had a career.
phf: right, it's johansson opposite of choi min-sik
mircea_popescu: who the fuck washes blood off hands with perrier water poured out of a bottle...
mircea_popescu: but anyway, clueless audience may enjoy.
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu ever review that other recent 'herd understands quite well what its future looks like' amerifilm
mircea_popescu: has a certain purely-cinematic surrealism to it, like ye olde stories of orcs in sweden burning the parquet for cooking fuel.
shinohai: I only watched the movie for dat ass
asciilifeform: the one with 'rich folx live in space station nao'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly not ?
asciilifeform: damnit what was it called
danielpbarron: elysium or something
phf: yeah, i thought that was lulzy, but at least it doesn't ~only~ have a cheap explanation
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: it
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd much rather see good films.
asciilifeform: similarly trashy-with-hints-of-ohshit
mircea_popescu: rather than poor and sickly...
asciilifeform: i dun think anyone's making 'good'
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/a-better-man-than-i << very fucking good.
mircea_popescu: so good, in fact, it seriously threatens my ideas of "best", which... i'm old, i've seen everything, i had given up hope.
asciilifeform: oh hah 2013
asciilifeform: neato.
phf: i have a backlog of excellent movies, but i've quarantineed myself, so instead of regular movie knights figured i'll see whatever trash
mircea_popescu: knights ?!
asciilifeform: lel singleeventfault!11
mircea_popescu: he seriously is going around cursing the insufkfkichientkths kkonsonathsts of ttttthis llang isnt he
asciilifeform: ze knights who say kneee!11
mircea_popescu: we're the nights of the round table, our beets are formidable!
asciilifeform for many years pronounced the 'k' in 'knack', a favourite eng word
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i also pronounce various such. why the fuck not, "it's there" right ?
phf: i got nothing, though i blame lucy. if nothing else the movie clears your head out of any kind of thoughts
mircea_popescu: twas a good fun!
shinohai: http://archive.is/ym85Q <<< LOL "Mining contract" users rekt
mod6: hai
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mod6: So I have an experimental patch here that applies right on top of release version 99994 of my vtron. ONLY use this in a testing capacity - the contents of the patch are subject to change at any time.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GwImt/?raw=true
asciilifeform: oh hey neato
asciilifeform puts on conveyor.
mod6: thanks, let me know if questions/comments/etc.
mod6: oh, I should maybe also say, one thing that was added as more of a debugging feature was the 'press-path' or 'pp' command. Which will dump out the exact press path to be used from a given head.
asciilifeform bbl
mod6: This may be removed before release. Flow still works as it previously did, just is no longer used in press.
mircea_popescu: like a debugging feature basically.
mod6: yah.
mod6: correction: flow is not used to ~feed~ press operation. still used to ensure that the HEAD is within the flow set.
mod6: this one line
mod6: death("HEAD: $press[1] not found in flow\n") if !grep /^$press[1]$/, @flow;
mod6: Going back to the issue exposed by the eucrypt mpi_fix_copy_incr vpatch, you can see now that the press path is calculated by including all of the given HEAD's antecedents recursively.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vGNwD/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: aand in other trilema antiqua, "Your job is to name the source of the image above. Whoever first gets it correctly will receive 1 Bitcoin in prizemoney!"
mircea_popescu: PAID, too.
mircea_popescu: !!up organdnor
deedbot: organdnor voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: did they take your o ?
organdnor: I both thank and greet you
organdnor: ever had a really bad feeling about something?
mircea_popescu: notreally. why ?
organdnor: I guess I am Chicken Little
organdnor: Terminator 2 scared the living shit out of me when I was a fucking young un
organdnor: I'm not making this up, no exaggeration I'd lie awake at night in the dark and just visualize those two red robot eyes mercilessly coming forward to dismember me with its steel organs
mircea_popescu: kinda why the whole "too young to watch movie" trope exists, kids do that.
organdnor: I am fully convinced as of this moment that Skynet exists
mircea_popescu: which one is that one ?
organdnor: the self-educating neural network which Powers the terminators and allows them to access time travel for their assassination requirements
organdnor: this shit isn't science fiction anymore
mircea_popescu: oh like the borg thing. kay.
organdnor: it's going down and nobody gives a fuck nobody puts their phone down nobody gives a fuck this shit could be a matter of years away we're all independent ideas thoughts being poor thinking things that shit's not going to be allowed it's on top of us right now and nobody gives a fuck
organdnor: borg ay
organdnor: you olde as am i? i dunno in which pop culture vernacular to best align the references
organdnor: if you Minds can't even figure the fuck out anything about LSD and the supernatural / paranormal you think just turning this shit over to a fucking robots going to end well?
mircea_popescu: anything pre worms works.
organdnor: as in like the arcade rug?
organdnor: rig
mircea_popescu: as in the concordatum wormatiense.
organdnor: I have no idea how to speak Italian but the cost of Concordia something like a mother fucker and that was a big fancy boat piloted by a big fancy boat pilot that shit didn't work out
organdnor: im learning to talk into my borg-transferral module, beg pardon on bad grammar
mircea_popescu: aanyways.
organdnor: anyway.
trinque: the naked shame of loneliness, eh?
organdnor: I'm on the edge of retiring for social media so I thought I'd stick my head into a few more holes and Polk about to see if there isn't any last bit shore shreds of Hope remaining or if it isn't completely
organdnor: voluntary loneliness if that may be so
trinque: is there such a thing?
organdnor: I'm addicted to the Civil War
organdnor: fuck yeah there is when everyone's a fucking retard
organdnor: American Civil War
organdnor: I'm on the board of the friends of Gettysburg
mircea_popescu: organdnor that "I" dun mean much currently. who are you, what do you do, etc.
organdnor: deep philosophy mr. popescu deep philosophy
organdnor: at this point it's 24-7 warzone
organdnor: I can't pound these marathon miles in this fucking cold shit so I got to sit around the shit up my ass
mircea_popescu: is this vexual ?
organdnor: no but that person is pm'ing me
organdnor: which is strange but im looking for AI contact or some such science fiction malarkey. is vexual code or flesh?
mircea_popescu: just some dood used to spew meaningless nonsense until getting devoiced.
organdnor: you ever heard of rokos Basilisk my presumably educated friend?
mircea_popescu: !#s basilisk
a111: 18 results for "basilisk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=basilisk
mircea_popescu: apparently i have!
organdnor: well I have no problem with being devoist, banned, down voted, ignored, denied, mocked, ridiculed, etc ad infinitum
organdnor: the ai theory
mircea_popescu: try making sense, for a change. who are you. what do you do. start from there.
organdnor: im Chris, i work in a sort of unlicensed pharmacy
trinque: lol!
mircea_popescu: ie, you're chris the cryptocurrency drugdealer/junkie ?
organdnor: I have no knowledge of crypto nor any cryptocurrency possession
mircea_popescu: mkay.
organdnor: I'm a Luddite
mircea_popescu: !!rate organdnor chris, the guy whose friend who's not him is the cryptocurrency drugdealer/junkie.
mircea_popescu: o wait, no key. dja got a rsa key ?
organdnor: ok. well
organdnor: this has been "real.". about a third of the channel know me
organdnor: I bid you good evening
mircea_popescu: errybody knows chris, the movie.
asciilifeform: hey danielpbarron , was that one of yer patients..?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the scary thought is, "i wonder if naggum'd have fared any better".
asciilifeform: better than what
asciilifeform: than nuthouse escapee ?
mircea_popescu: guy above.
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: i can't picture him, tbh, talking in realtime. sorta like taleb won't
asciilifeform: betcha he even played chess only by mail.
mircea_popescu: i always thought bbs is what people too poor to afford irc used.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, ya
trinque: on second thought, lets not go to efnet. 'tis a silly place.
mircea_popescu: wha happened ?
mircea_popescu: i thought we were going to that guy's thing anyway, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761155
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 17:49 mircea_popescu: i suppose if we get tired of freenode we move to... jollo o.O
trinque: I'm just making monty python jokes over here
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, where's the logline where you say you'd love nothing more than to put diamond plate flooring in everywhere ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-11#1160857 found
a111: Logged on 2015-06-11 14:44 asciilifeform: if i lived alone, would probably have treadplate put in. as such, wooden floor. only difference in decor accounted for by pet.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-moth/ << Trilema - The Moth
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13853.12, vol: 14787.14062946 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13871.0, vol: 50525.91930146 | Volume-weighted last average: 13866.9518958
shinohai: http://archive.is/GXIw1 <<< " Instead of a password the user generates a specific SSL certificate for each device. "
shinohai: heh
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ase9u/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu waves
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu !
mircea_popescu: o look! mail!
shinohai: gm Sr. Popescu
asciilifeform: shinohai: why am i reading this crapola
shinohai: To point fingers and laugh at the combination of Ethereum + SSL
BingoBoingo grinding away on paper forms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let bb know also, lest he despair in the orc wastes.
asciilifeform: ok , 1min
asciilifeform: !!key BingoBoingo
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143.asc
knubie: !!key knubie
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/B2B6A92EB5C140CDE1FEBB31A69A09AA24142942.asc
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vRoS3/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Bueno
asciilifeform: 'the gears grind slowly, but they grind very finely' or how did it go.
knubie: least it was an easy job.. =)
asciilifeform: knubie: lemme ask straight, who are you , and what exactly are you doing here?
knubie: asciilifeform: just a random, and heard about a funny story, so decided to join...
asciilifeform: knubie: plz consider doing the 'read logs for 6mo before talking' thing
asciilifeform: knubie: your snr is somewhere below the floor.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the americircus, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767259 <<< >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fW7se/?raw=true ( orig https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Damore-Google-COMPLAINT.pdf has photoexhibits etc )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 19:13 ben_vulpes: https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/08/james-damore-just-filed-a-class-action-lawsuit-against-google-saying-it-discriminates-against-white-male-conservatives/ title all really one needs for the day's chuckles
asciilifeform: pretty strong moth paint cacodaemon outgassing, even to an old entomologist's nose
asciilifeform: !!gettrust knubie
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
asciilifeform: hey trinque how come this fella dun show up in wot.deedbot www ?
asciilifeform: key born 3d ago; 'because heard about funny story'... lolk...
lobbes: Upon inspection, a few ratings I've left/received haven't gone through either. Including this one I left for Birdman back in july 0-o >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681767
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 03:14 lobbes: !!rate Birdman 1 valued customer
asciilifeform: lobbes: iirc trinque had a hdd crash or the like at one point
lobbes: Ah I think I fuzzily recall that from los registros
BingoBoingo: In developments thus far, the responsiveness of the current accountant has been a disappointment, an independent accountant has been consulted, and getting ready for an adventure to a less soviet bank.
BingoBoingo: Major props go to the girl who manages the coworking space for reading between the lines what took explicit repetition for the accountant.
ben_vulpes: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/mnuchin-wants-to-make-sure-bad-guys-cant-use-cryptocurrencies.html << inb4 'bitcoin banned in teh usa'
asciilifeform: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/swarm-of-armed-diy-drones-attacks-russian-military-base-in-syria.html << moar interesting lul from same fishwrap
ben_vulpes: 2-stroke warfare!
ben_vulpes squees
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the comments on orig post are lulzy, 'we built these in 1980s su as kidz' etc
ben_vulpes: yes im sure they had gps waypoint following over the counter in the eighties
asciilifeform: the only modern item on these were the radio aha
asciilifeform: errything else -- circa '50s
ben_vulpes: note that the russkis only nailed the birds because flying too high
asciilifeform: well if it gotta go 100km unattended by gps, then where else.
ben_vulpes: the asymmetric warfare will continue until the golden toilets are really actually useless
ben_vulpes: doesn't have to be that high to get a lock now does it
asciilifeform: oblig trilema, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635749 re subj
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 02:03 asciilifeform: 'Sort-of like the colonial Europeans' expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons. '
ben_vulpes: for travel, yes, sure, but drop down to the treeline on approach like a human wouldja
BingoBoingo: But what if GPS gets the trees wrong?
asciilifeform: address all complaints to usg dept of state , who sends the model airplane kits to the orcs.
ben_vulpes: usg.hobbyking
asciilifeform: on own power, camel fuckers have serious problems making, i suspect, ~paper~ airplane.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the obvious n00b design mistake is the use of classical fixed-wings. if instead that petrol motor turned a dynamo, and powered (inefficient as may be) electrical multi-copter , a la toy store -- could do such things as following tree-lines etc.
trinque: asciilifeform: possible the process that generates that site is upset. I'll look.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: classic range/dynamic control tradeoff
trinque: lobbes: your ratings are present in deedbot, just looks like that site isn't updating. thanks for pointing it out.
trinque: !!reputation Birdman
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6DUez/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: i suppose the latter factor is more accurately control bandwidth
ben_vulpes will readily admit to being a fan of the petrol quadcopter
deedbot: Birdman: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/38riG/?raw=true
lobbes: trinque np! Thanks fer checkin'
lobbes: To come back to this question, would alf (or anyone) use a system where you could submit a plaintext list of URLs to bot, and then a few mins later bot would PM you with a link for download?  >>http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737464
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 03:58 a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 18:21 asciilifeform: lobbes: does this mean that you can mirror the whole zip collection nao ?
lobbes: Versus a troo 'www mirror' where you'd just download from website  (trying to avoid this route)
trinque: ha this walks right back towards the republican-www thread.
trinque: lobbes: sounds pretty cool.
lobbes: I figure benefits are: no need for 'username/password ' www-login crapola. Also no need to host ALL the zips at once on my VPSen. Can just jettison files on-deman from my archiver craptop to VPS
trinque: got the wotsite rebuilding right now.
trinque: tomorrow I'm gonna have a nice uninterrupted project day, got the girl sent off with girlfriends
trinque: I think I'll get that www regenerating piecemeal in reaction to db changes rather than giant rebuilds at interval, then give the wallet some attention
trinque: I know an account history command is in high demand; that's at the top of the stack.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769765 << eh what happened to stock broker / boss man ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 16:09 knubie: asciilifeform: just a random, and heard about a funny story, so decided to join...
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ << Trilema - Discordatum Wormatiense
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769768 << laugh ye not, cuz by the time the pantsuit pillar is being gnawed at the ankles... they had ~nothing else, you understand, besides http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769309 ; and without "consensus" in the money printing conduits...
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 16:13 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the americircus, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767259 <<< >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fW7se/?raw=true ( orig https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Damore-Google-COMPLAINT.pdf has photoexhibits etc )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 18:52 asciilifeform: hey, the 'we dun need to win, all we gotta do is print in nyt front page that we did' can carry on right up until the turks come over the city walls
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769770 << the animal was EVEN BIGGER than the famously ginormous http://trilema.com/2017/entomologykos-a-kinda-pseudokynegetikos-it-all-comes-from-ticos/
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 16:18 asciilifeform: pretty strong moth paint cacodaemon outgassing, even to an old entomologist's nose
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2nd half of pdfturd is pretty great, internal memos etc , re full-bore gleichschaltung in full swing in all of the major sv saltmines
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: they got themselves a "culture war" right in the cunt, and it was sensitive and "beyond reach"
mircea_popescu: it is* and was supposed to be*
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769781 << the bad guys want to know what the fuck is a mnuchin. like munckin ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:01 ben_vulpes: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/mnuchin-wants-to-make-sure-bad-guys-cant-use-cryptocurrencies.html << inb4 'bitcoin banned in teh usa'
ben_vulpes: that's how i pronounce it!
asciilifeform: mnu's not unix!11 or wait that was a different fungus
ben_vulpes: some joo
mircea_popescu: fucking retard. the only bad thing is his ugly face and the idiocy he represents.
ben_vulpes beats sword on shield
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769782 << "DIY" as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703771 / http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-213.222-217.1
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:07 asciilifeform: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/swarm-of-armed-diy-drones-attacks-russian-military-base-in-syria.html << moar interesting lul from same fishwrap
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-27 22:38 mircea_popescu: teh very respectable southern poverty law center. and i bet you bitcoin to donuts they didn't actually pay jack for it, either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaha, see later in same thread !
mircea_popescu: funny how they never seem to remember who is "the government" whenever ~they~ go around messing with it. how about bad guys === usg don't go around using mnuchin as a hand puppet to finance their bad deeds ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769807 << the problem is entirely price ; with excellent machining you could get a ~10 cc combustion engine that then could make a tiny helicopter, however... cost you a mil per or such nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:33 ben_vulpes will readily admit to being a fan of the petrol quadcopter
mircea_popescu: certainly no 1 cc though.
asciilifeform: naaah, off-the-shelf readily available from cn
asciilifeform: and you dun even need gearing for it: turn dynamo.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769810 << iirc that was the spec.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:43 lobbes: To come back to this question, would alf (or anyone) use a system where you could submit a plaintext list of URLs to bot, and then a few mins later bot would PM you with a link for download?  >>http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737464
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dinamo coils heavy. and you mean off the shelf what, 10cc engine ?
asciilifeform: petrol is superior to battery by such ridiculous margin, that it is readily affordable
ben_vulpes: folks've lofted 30hp gas quadrotors
mircea_popescu: let's get back to it. a) can i buy 10cc engine, off shelf ? b) dinamo needs coils, makes it heavy.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes but 30hp! not 50W.
asciilifeform opens catalogue... a 2.74cc 1.0 hp motor , weighs 280g, costs 70bux.
asciilifeform: dat's 746 watt.
mircea_popescu: wowza. link me ?
asciilifeform: https://www.amazon.com/Hobbypower-02060-Engine-2-74cc-Starter/dp/B00M2WMQFG
mircea_popescu: cheeck the shit out!
asciilifeform: picked at random, prolly there are spiffier ones
mircea_popescu: turns out i actually misunderstand the limits of materials!
asciilifeform: it's ancient tech, too
asciilifeform: ( somewhere i have a 1960s catalogue , featuring similar engines; weighed a little moar iirc )
mircea_popescu: well, a 300 gram 750 W engine totally can make a chopper fly.
mircea_popescu: in fact : 750W at 50% conversion can provide a lot of lift -- if the whole thing it's embedded in is 1kg, your energetic expenditure per meter lift is not even 10J. can do 75m/s theoretically.
asciilifeform: entirely.
ben_vulpes: related stupid human tricks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FqYiZb_5s
asciilifeform: which is why small petrol engine enabled flight to begin with.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno now why i thought the limit is a degree of magnitude higher on both energy and size.
asciilifeform: to be fair , these do require nitrofuel
asciilifeform: ( it doesn't, for obvious reason, scale up )
mircea_popescu: but not a lot of it.
asciilifeform: nope. a few 100ml.
asciilifeform: for coupla hrs of flight.
mircea_popescu: oh that's what it was! the fuel weight!
mircea_popescu: see, cuz if you store a liter and something, that's almost a kg.
mircea_popescu: still misunderstood, but at least now i know wtf i was thinking.
asciilifeform: depending on what the objective is, that kg can do useful work ( say you're to torch something... )
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the point stands : useful limit of combustion-powered flying machine is more like 5kgs not the 50kgs i originally imagined.
asciilifeform: chopper could, theoretically, do 'pinpoint' needlework , that fixwing could not, e.g. limpet onto ~particular~ car
mircea_popescu: with good computers. yes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769822 << recommended, btw. this is important (tm).
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:59 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ << Trilema - Discordatum Wormatiense
asciilifeform just nao read
ben_vulpes: ah that's where the moth scent line came from
mircea_popescu: no ?
ben_vulpes: trilema generally!
mircea_popescu: aok :p
mircea_popescu: the proposal is nothing less than to have identified the exact point in history where the pantsuit forked off the chain.
asciilifeform: dunno that this is a necessary hypothesis : the shaman who demanded share of mammoth meat for 'getting crocodilegod to barf the sun back out' is item that goes back to prehistory
asciilifeform: they've prolly existed longer than scribes, or even archers , or horseman.
asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand what is supposed to have begun with the 'concordat'
mircea_popescu: notrly, no.
mircea_popescu: feudalism was 100% republic, entirely existing as relationships between people, with no regard to anything -- not to the herds of cattle, of any kind, nor to land or weirs of fishing or any other nonsense.
mircea_popescu: then the pantsuit centered in rome attempted the bitcoin cash of worms, and it's been going towards building marx's paradise -- a world devoid of any people -- ever since.
mircea_popescu: the venue through which the socialist disaster happened happens to be "reason" in a particular pantsuit reinterpretation -- the bitcoin cash of worms introduced "reasonable" basis for taxation on the basis of "land resources", and from there on this non-reason worked its poison into the whole gamut of idiocy on display today.
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't have been permitted then, as it's been methodically not permitted in this here republic since inception.
asciilifeform: this is interesting and makes sense and imho would make a spiffy trilema article ( sequel to the one from last hr, with the italian film , perhaps )
asciilifeform: which was a bit sanskrity
mircea_popescu: it's what i heard, "diaphanous, as in, if you're not familiar with the whole tree of medieval history and social theory, the jumps are a little wide".
mircea_popescu: but i dunno what to put in. ie the above three lines -- are already written. what moar!
mircea_popescu: i can't re-write a compendium of feudal history ad hoc ;/
asciilifeform prolly doomed to excavate and read the sourcetexts, like civilized people
mircea_popescu more than willing to answer q's. but unsure how to proceed without.
asciilifeform: naah the correct answ is prolly 'do yer bloody homewurk , asciilifeform '
asciilifeform: ... or here's a q. 'worms' had a beginning, neh, at some time prior. where was this beginning, who first demanded 'reasonable taxations' , where
asciilifeform: seems like a straight archaeological matter.
mircea_popescu: it was a sad vulnerable moment, incidentally. ever heard ye of hugh "magnus" (ie, le maisne in french, literally, "lesser born") ?
asciilifeform: sounds familiar
mircea_popescu: brother of sitting king of france, went on crusade BECAUSE SAW MOON ECLIPSE.
mircea_popescu: literally, that was his thought process, "o look, astronomical phenomenon ergo i buy a car now."
asciilifeform: and bush-II went on crusade because 'wmd', lel
asciilifeform: was it a cause-'because' or an astrological-justificatory-'because'
mircea_popescu: so he ends up shipwrecked in the lands of anna's father, alexios. you know the whore, anna, yes ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: ok. and the father takes them in hand and rapes them around discreetely, yes. you know, like us presidents are invited at banquets but "can't go there sir".
mircea_popescu: without an army, or any resources, or you know, the forethought to have at the very least packed up that eclipse for later, hugh understands the precarity of his position, and so is a great supporter of the byzantine king.
mircea_popescu: and he tries to sell this to godfrey of bouillon, who was a lord at the time. this doesn't mean "rich" or "powerful" or any pantsuit nonsense of today, trying to explain exactly why it shouldn't be the case you even try.
mircea_popescu: no, godefroy was naught else than a man. as per that shaw description, "the panache" etc.
mircea_popescu: and godefroy says, "look at you, fool, you had your own sovereign crown (hugh was an earl, at the time this was sovereign) but had to come here and became a slave for it, and now try to sell me on it as if it were some great progress ?"
mircea_popescu: to which hugh explains something like "well, what's done it's done, what can we do"
mircea_popescu: does ~this~ count as a "beginning" then ? that men who can't think end up doing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767798 ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:13 mircea_popescu: "# We use c=0.005 which has been experimentally found to be optimal in processing time for common PC under MS Windows and values of k of practical interest. A different c value may be desirable for use in different computing environments." << check it out asciilifeform ! IT IS SATOSHI ALL OVER AGAIN. why. WHY!!!
asciilifeform: the worrisome aspect imho is that sanity is -- apparently -- fragile, while idiocy -- ratcheting/cumulative
mircea_popescu: for what it's worth i see no difference whatsoever between the above eclipse of reasoning and say "if i make it what i think it should be -- it crashes".
mircea_popescu: but anyway, re taxation : item as a notion didn't even exist in 1100s. payment across hierarchy had an entirely different substance.
asciilifeform: no real diff, aside possibly from the 'linear vs superlinear' hypothesis
mircea_popescu: "taxation" is what pantsuit rendering of homage is, so as to depersonalize it.
asciilifeform: but post-worms 'resources' taxation scheme -- infectious
asciilifeform: superlinear!11
mircea_popescu: only in that it's always easier to be female than male.
mircea_popescu: that's the great advantage of the homosexual bottom : even a broomstick can fill it.
mircea_popescu: easy peasy.
asciilifeform: that wouldn't explain why it spread suddenly, like forest fire, at a particular moment
asciilifeform: hm did we ever do 'tin pest' thread ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno anything about it was sudden.
mircea_popescu: took what, 500 years to westphalia, "nation state" ie, "the LAND is the item, people just ants on it"
mircea_popescu: but the notion of a countCY, and OF X!!!, as opposed to THE count himself is very much redolent of the rotl.
asciilifeform: other q, how far is this from the roman system
mircea_popescu: which is why republican lordship is personal whereas pantsuit notion of peerage is "location based".
mircea_popescu: which roman system.
asciilifeform: late roman.
mircea_popescu: the system which built rome is : in the winter we sit around , in the summer we go rape the idiots, take their shit, melt it down, split it in equal trophies and give one to each man.
asciilifeform: nah that'd be young rome
mircea_popescu: it's unclear altogether if late rome had a system at all ; this is a matter open to much scholarly debate.
asciilifeform: that's the q, are we looking at what amounts to a sov rtg misplaced in the arctic and sawed open by chukcha.
asciilifeform: i.e. a resurrection of the item that killed rome.
mircea_popescu: well, it was said in these logs and it's still true that rome is well summarized by observing some people built some benches in a park somewhere and spent a millenium thenceforth sorting out who should sit where on them.
asciilifeform: that'd be the elementary 'petri dish full' endgame then.
mircea_popescu: in this sense sure, original rome as the patrician class with its clientelar syste was "checked" ie infected with doom-ruin by the imbecile plebs, resulting in the creation of the plebs tribune (ironically, the ~reason~ later emperor was sacrosanct -- he was also the tribune of plebs)
trinque: there'll be a brief wallet outage starting now. doing some network fiddling.
mircea_popescu: so if you prefer the reference, there will be no lenatus compromise and no fucking lex publilia.
asciilifeform: !!up topor
deedbot: topor voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: but note that the original reason there (the romans ~actually needed~ the plebs, to fight the volsci / latins) is no longer present. we absolutely and emphatically do not need mok-shen's "common people" for any purpose.
mircea_popescu: in fact, we need to NOT have them.
mircea_popescu: (the original "i'm a little bit country / i'm a little bit rock'n'roll" fairitale was told by lenatus to the plebs of 500bc, btw.)
asciilifeform: topor: who might you be ?
topor: trilema&bitcoin fan
mircea_popescu: !!up Covale`
deedbot: Covale` voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: oh hey finally a nonfalse cognate !
asciilifeform: топор.
mircea_popescu: !# coada de topor
mircea_popescu: !#s coada de topor
a111: 1 result for "coada de topor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=coada%20de%20topor
asciilifeform: apparently not so 'trilema fan' that he can keep a socket open, lol
mircea_popescu: literally, axe handle.
Covale`: oh, hey. in other news, or how it goes... http://www.spacekim.io/ :))
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be a топорище .
mircea_popescu: toporisca is diminutive topor!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: normally -ище is... sort ~opposite~ of dimunitive. but in this case is the haft.
mircea_popescu: also, om din topor, man of the axe, how you say redneck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect romanian is mostly dedicated to not getting any imported words right.
asciilifeform: Covale`: i read , and laughed, and thought 'the onion', but apparently they have a working funnel, and it actually collected a bit of shitcoin
mircea_popescu: gotta seed the chumpatron neh ?
Covale`: asciilifeform, well of the hundreds of ICOs popping up everywhere these days, so far this one is THE :))
mircea_popescu: Covale` you made this ?
Covale`: mircea_popescu, a friend linked it to me earlier for the lols
mircea_popescu: that's nice. now go read the logs / do useful shit. the lols part is the worst place for kids to start immitating.
Covale`: speaking of that, what Linux distro would you generally recommend for... n00bs so to say ?
knubie: !!up Covale`
deedbot: Covale` voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: Covale`: go build your own gentoo box; shed the noob hymen
Covale`: hah, yeah, I looked through the logs and stumbled upon that discussion actually
trinque: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/picOU/?raw=true
trinque: ^ wallet maintenance is over, wiring less offensive to the operator
trinque: lmk if anyone has a problem.
asciilifeform: trinque: where did the putting-the-user's-nick-in-all-replies item go ?
trinque: I'm for it, will get done at some point.
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: ( imho it is theRightThing , i even made sure it worked in pehbot before letting it run in public )
trinque: sure
trinque has a nice command-lib where it'll go
BingoBoingo: And it turns out the State's bank is the far less soviet option.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because of the my passport handicap up to three days will be lost to FACTA. After that another 2-5 business days and they I should be banked.
BingoBoingo: Also the datacenter came up with a connection for importing SuperMicro servers
trinque: hey, cool!
mod6: right on
BingoBoingo: Venuezalan translator girl I've been taking spanish lessons from (300 pesos or ~10 USD/hr) was paid 20 USD/hr for translation services by peeling bills off of the gangsta roll.
BingoBoingo: Venezualan girl was very shocked by how comparatively pleasant this experience was with her other local banking experience given how much the locals verbally shit on it
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2018/the-moth/#comment-124167 << Blame the paint smell on "Low VOC" envirowhiners
BingoBoingo: Gloss and semigloss exterior paints were the single worst smelling class of products at the Home Despot.
BingoBoingo: Gloss and semigloss exterior paints were the single worst smelling class of products at the Home Despot.
BingoBoingo: Sorry I meant to drop https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/12/on_call/ out of the buffer: “It was one of the few places where the students had questions, but they tended to be about who pays us to be tourists.”
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in one particular pantsuitistan, https://archive.is/IFLD7 << for expert entomologists only >> 'University of Maryland ... The senate proposed that the committee lower the burden of proof in cases from clear and convincing to a preponderance of the evidence, which means that it's more likely than not a code violation occurred. '
asciilifeform: and in particular 'In light of recent hate bias incidents on the campus, the committee decided to remove "Intentionally and substantially interfering with the freedom of expression of others" as a listed prohibited conduct as it sends the "wrong message," said Director of Student Conduct Andrea Goodwin.'
lobbes: ""Dragan said. "The old code … was very difficult to understand, and I feel like that was unfair to the students to give them a document that wasn't easy to read and hadn't been updated since prior to their birth.""
lobbes: "Oh noes!! May have to LEARN something in University!"
lobbes: This reminds me of a quote somewhere in logs, went something like "US education just hands kids a deck of 'beliefs', 'principles', 'truths', etc; says: pick one or two. Battle each other like in ur pokemans"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1770000 << what's passports got to do with anything ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 20:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because of the my passport handicap up to three days will be lost to FACTA. After that another 2-5 business days and they I should be banked.
mircea_popescu: local company is a person in law ; if item you have is not a person in law, you have not registered a company ; if it is -- IT opens bank acct.
mircea_popescu: but in no case is your passport involved in the workings of this item.
mircea_popescu: to reiterate -- whole point of the entire exercise is to publicly, paifully BREAK the usg system, and to humiliate the united states government in the process.
mircea_popescu: an "alternative funnel" is not an acceptable substitute for breakage.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1770011 << the "Right message" being "maryland is rapemeat reservation" or wut exactly.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 22:40 asciilifeform: and in particular 'In light of recent hate bias incidents on the campus, the committee decided to remove "Intentionally and substantially interfering with the freedom of expression of others" as a listed prohibited conduct as it sends the "wrong message," said Director of Student Conduct Andrea Goodwin.'

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