whaack: so..does the USD monthly fee estimates imply it doesn't matter if you posses the metal? and if it doesn't matter, what are the hosting suggestions/guidelines?
mircea_popescu: lol @lafond "us military is called in to sort out what is left of america". here's the scoop : us military is <100k, most of which desk flyers, out of shape and combat-useless. ever since vietnam all the us army did was "consultancy", for locals willing to fight, where they could be found.
mircea_popescu: us army trying to "sort out america" would last sixteen hours. provided they start early in the morning.
mircea_popescu: whaack dun imply anything, you can surely put together older gear in your den or w/e.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wtf is his idea "us army vs us" is 1:100 odds ? it's 100:1 lol.
ben_vulpes: and recommendation ssd; although spinning rust not impossibru to get by with it ain't long for this world.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i mean, a trb capable machine is somewhere in the 50-100 bux / month range, certainly an expense but not the end of the world. << Negrodamus, i.e. 220.127.116.11 rents for less
BingoBoingo: <whaack> so..does the USD monthly fee estimates imply it doesn't matter if you posses the metal? and if it doesn't matter, what are the hosting suggestions/guidelines? << A node is not a wallet, doesn't hurt to spread a few around.
asciilifeform: if speaking of cheap nodez, zoolag costs ~0 ( aside from disks ) , i get fiber to the grounds regardless
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it was one of those "please to submit your version details" so... i did. can't recall if i actually clicked the "emergent consensus" button seriously or in jest, or if it was something that the hosts ticked, but it was definitely a test to see if they'd keep it up or not. looks like they have.
ben_vulpes: today's american political wtf: "John Brown, of an anti-Trump group calling itself the Redneck Revolt, wore military fatigues and had an AK-47 rifle strapped to his chest as he and a half dozen others from the group stood about 30 feet behind the barricade for protesters. He said they were there to protect Trump opponents and stand up to fascism."
ben_vulpes: bringing a trb node up on whatever gentoo image scaleway has; 'pthread: command not found', log notes indicate patch necessary to cmake CheckIncludeFiles.cmake, investigation of which shows...no cmake on this box
asciilifeform: i.e. accepts connections, processes mempool tx ( which, if said tx relies on a yet-unseen block, WILL be rejected, and will look exactly like the snippet mike_c posted, and in fact most of the debug log of a syncing node WILL consist of these )
asciilifeform: the reason why mike_c's node appears 'stalled' is that it stopped fetching blocks. trb's block sync behaviour is unspeakably moronic, it will attempt 'long sync' ONCE, on warmup
asciilifeform: and then never again! will passively sit and wait 'for rain to fall into mouth'
asciilifeform: this is the traditional bitcoin sync behaviour, and i have not altered it.
asciilifeform: ( if someone has idea for a useful alteration that doesn't requite 1000s loc, plox to write in. )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/948EL >> '...the government knew that the firms were on the edge of massive profitability and that they were in fact not insolvent. ...They did it to steal the profits from the company -- which means they stole the shareholder's property to fund other things - including Obamacare.'
whaack: Seems like the miners have an additional incentive to go back to btc after driving up the bch difficulty, since in addition to the 4x bch difficulty the btc difficulty will have dipped (however slightly) due to their absence while mining bch.
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin itself has a 400% baked in maximum increase each period, but what practical difference does it make ? Force the attacker to keep hashing for an extra 8 or so hours ? Big whoop, what's eight hours buy you ?
mircea_popescu: Suppose you recalibrate difficulty each block instead. Big whoop, so attacker drives your difficulty up 100x and now you only have to mine six days for negative returns instead of two years. So what ? You're still underwater, and once you recover he can still do it again."
mircea_popescu: whaack oh wait, you mean the diff on ~main~ chain gets reduced, because this is an early stage delusion and the fucktards numerous/heavy enough. yes, yes, you're exactly right!
whaack: I just don't see how footnote 2 mentions the point of the btc difficulty decreasing while the miners are away from the main chain, even if it does allude to it by showing that holding the btc miner for an extended period of time doesn't help (b.c. of the fact that while the miners are away from the main chain their difficulty is decreasing)
whaack: yeah, suppose they held half the miners for 4 weeks, they'd then have to double their payout for the next cycle to match the btc mining offer since the difficulty will have halved (not even including the increase in the altcoin chain)
asciilifeform: of course happens. hence the push for 'tap all lines all the time, petabyte of liquishit lives in db warehouse the size of nyc' etc -- cheaper than trying to make a corps of agents who won't smoke break while tapping
asciilifeform: but then, naturally, several flights down the human material quality latter , agents take smoke breaks still, but not to smoke tobacco, but pot, and not while tapping wires, but while writing code, tc
mircea_popescu laughed ass off @usg for the first time when saw that these days equiv of manhattan project, "general + all the zeks that can be found" came to ~same as romanian computer club windows reimplementation.
mircea_popescu: in fact the utter technological failure of that "warehouse the size of ny" was a major inspiration for teh republic.
asciilifeform: for education's sake : what would 'success' of same, look like ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done".
mircea_popescu: myeah. if you're born to be a hooker and the year is 1982, the vegas strip awaits. no ifs butts or taters. it dun matter if you dreamed of being a psychologist or a milliner as a little girl, either, that's what hobbies are for.
mircea_popescu: and the reason we dun wanna tell you what to do is precisely that the identification of these things is only easy in retrospect, but hard in the moment, and there's no worse sadness than following the wrong goal for THIS kind of wrong reason -- that the wrong person told you the wrong things.
mircea_popescu: but no more. certainly not an excuse to assfuck your own brain.
whaack: ppsk from my research in the matter apparently CR has a 90 day rule for most gringos...wherein you just have to step out of the country (for an hour) every 90 days. so you can do a Panama or Nicaragua day trip and get your passport stamped and come right back. Apparently you can get banned from returning to CR for 1-2 years now if you leave having stayed more than 90 days.
mircea_popescu: if you're not dirt poor you can apply for residency for being rich.
mircea_popescu: must prove 30k/year income for at least two years. so you know, buy a bond or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the amusing part being that the cap for public employees compensation is 4.2mn colones /month (about 10k/year)
asciilifeform: 30k << that sounds brainmeltingly cheap... what's the catch ?
mod6: so it's been suggested that we change 'trusted-nodes' to 'advertised republican nodes', which is fine with me. but the file that these live in is called 'trusted-nodes.html'. Since this is now linked in trilema 'how-to-participate', should we do a redirect to a new file, or just change the filename, or just change its contents?