trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense. can't stop the bits from leaking; can however simply let the owner of an account know every time something happens, so he can yell at me before I do the next batch of withdrawals if he didn't do it.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:45 shinohai: http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible"
mircea_popescu: it's your racist victim that stood in the way of black code matters and progress and spice and everything nice.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697556 << the funny thing is that there's not enough of them by now. same exact thing happened to the german communists in the 30s. "folks this is the end", ie, "we used to think we're right because we're many, and now we're not many, and that's all we had."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697559 << the MOST hilarious thing in there is that the fucktard thinking himself an airplane pilot asks "me copia base". you understandf this ? subhuman orc language DOES NOT HAVE WORD. thinks it's ok, just as good as anything.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, in their own fucking idiota i mean "idioma", it goes like so : "con fuerza y corage dicimos adios". this. this is 100% argentina, brave, brave, brave sir robert turned about and galantly he chickened out... brave brave brave recursos humanos...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:14 asciilifeform: ( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin )
mircea_popescu: it is also a very typical difference, symbolic enough to go on our fucking flag. "the empire makes a test and then goes through parts until it finds one that goes through ; the republic makes a part and tests it until it is certain to be correct."
asciilifeform: the important bit : if fails, make a ~new~ one, rather than n+1
mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY.
asciilifeform: 'rng bits are expensive' spawned quite a few idiocies , by itself
mircea_popescu: this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot. << is this right (up to 2900)? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9lxGb/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 'W is constrained, such that any permissible value of W must be representable in a whole number of machine words on 8, 16, 32, 64-bit ALU.'
mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care"
asciilifeform: mno. on 128bit machine, we still can use 64bit arith,
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:44 mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care"
mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long.
asciilifeform: when on 128-bit iron , which exists today, you simply gotta pad out your payload so it sits in a W multiple of 128 ( supposing you insist on squeezing every penny of horse out of the 128ness )
asciilifeform: you are already forced to pad to multiple of 8 on every iron in existence today, this is no different. and nobody will reprieve you from it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and then you're going to compute 192 keys on 256 bits, and wonder why the fuck are you not using 256.
mircea_popescu: which is how "it's either 4096 bits long or get lost" ends up in there.
asciilifeform: so you find nearest multiple that is longer than your payload.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:50 mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long.
asciilifeform: ALL ffa ops take time that is not dependent on the hamming weight. that's what 'constant time' means.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, consider the catechistic angle. "soo... why is your key 515 byts ?" "i dunno, his lordship mp said so" "why ?" "nobody knoiws, really. he just says things." "so how do you calculate it ?" "first, you set ffa to 520 bytes..." "why did he say 515 then ?" "uh... that's a good question."
asciilifeform: PeterL: sorta why i wrote the most general , unconstrained ffa .
mircea_popescu: PeterL that lemma refers to domain borders. there's no border re hardware.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg.prb folx claiming they will soon 'broadcast blocks from satellite', 'use prb without internet!111' -- leveraging the orbit monopoly to diddle 'these blox, mined by us, legal, other, terrorist blox -- orphans nao'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:08 mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who the fuck would depend on a satellite. for one thing they keep falling.
asciilifeform: but at any rate this is not open problem, it was solved in ~same way in all 3 major inca empires -- fighter goes to max altitude, launches slightly modified radar-seeker rocket, vertically.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to the general point : satellite comms are a very limited thing, and will definitely go the same way the old roman dinner (ie, fuckfest) went once the medievals discovered syphilis.
BingoBoingo: Eh, there's probably a difference between eye taking in sunlight and focusing the lens apparatus of the eye directly at the sun.
mircea_popescu: so what does the animal do, go blind every time it sees the sun ?
mircea_popescu: yes, concave mirrors and lenses can blind you. but if the sun itself is a problem then you're a lifefrom from a different planet.
mircea_popescu: somehow this has evolved from "im an old woman, nobody wants to pay attention to me, let me nag people" to "don't stare at the sun" to "omfg SUN IS DANGEROUS!" and it will never fucking end.
BingoBoingo: Well, much of humanity is more stupid than the rest of the animals. Likely will continue staring well beyond point pain receptors yell to cease and decist.
BingoBoingo: If we have learned anything from the Roger Ver-ified tribe, it is that there is a portion of the idiocy which will stare at the sun, for however long it takes the moon to transit. From this the nags and bags get their power. All it takes is one stuple to set all the nags off.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. maybe some people actually should be blind.
BingoBoingo: The nags are too deaf to hear that. Too much Maury/CNN/kennedy exposure.
BingoBoingo: They can't get those language abilities back
mircea_popescu: some douchebag opened a tea house, with a lot of verbiage about how relaxing and progressive and everything it is, and how it goes in other places and you know, brimming with the imbecile self-satisfaction of the nemtsov.
mircea_popescu: tea was served in cups on trays. it's ok for tea to come in teabags, what. the trays also included alarm clocks set for whatever minutes a 10-bux-an-hour pinoy randomly put on the mass produced "fair trade" crappy teabags. 6 or 7 or 3 or whatever.
mircea_popescu: consequently this idiot's teahouse was constantly ringing of alarms on multiple voices from multiple points.
mircea_popescu: this is the typical end product of the imbecile "just the facts" "i am equpped to think for myself" ustard.
mircea_popescu: some cheap plastic, a lot fo fine print and getting in everyone's way/
mircea_popescu: (for the record, the difference between the nemtsov and the pantsuit is that while they both represent the herdemocracy side, the pantsuit is ineffectual, lazy, effete citizen, whereas the nemtsov is hardy, insistent, ambitious orc born outside the walls.)
shinohai: "I believe Mircea Popescu has gravely miscalculated. Either he has been coloring his own BTC within the danger period (i.e. being careful of the lineage of the BTC obtained in recent times), else his BTC is also susceptible to being stolen. Otherwise, he would need vast mining resources to maintain his own fork or he would need to penalize/bribe miners to not steal his BTC where it is so encumbered. He can
shinohai: penalize by selling the fork and buying another honest one, but he will need sufficient mining resources and other significant BTC holders to enjoin him in this fight. Rather I think most astute BTC holders will realize this is the end of the paradigm and liquidate.'
BingoBoingo: "According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, (fuck them, but they've done good research into him), Jason Kessler was previously involved with the Occupy Movement and was an ardent Obama supporter through both terms."