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2017-4-16 | 2017-4-18

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/from-the-bounty-of-the-internets-mp-was-right/ << Trilema - From the bounty of the internets : MP was right.
phf: paris hilton is the stand in for the american culture of the 00's
danielpbarron: !~bible lev 20:13
danielpbarron: >> Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
danielpbarron: see also: http://atruechurch.info/homosexuality.html >> In its decision to declare homosexual marriage a "fundamental right," the Supreme Court has completely missed its God-given purpose. Instead of being "an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil," they have exalted vileness among the sons of men. And, as the Scripture says, the wicked will prowl on every side (Psalm 12:8).
mircea_popescu: i suspect the supreme court is very unadherent to the theory it has any missions from god.
deedbot: deeds online
asciilifeform: elsewhere: http://314256.blogspot.com/2016/01/random-numbers-from-radiation.html << KCl d00d. though his postprocessor algo is sorta strange.
asciilifeform: and he doesn't seem to realize that he's only picking up the gamma.
mircea_popescu: write to him!
asciilifeform: i'm batting 0/N so far.
asciilifeform: let's somebody not- asciilifeform , write.
mircea_popescu: eh wouldja stop being shy.
mircea_popescu: and in other ugly naturals, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1b0c98ac24e15cafbfec417d8df397aa/tumblr_o87l6fwY6F1v1hlnho1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform goes 'hah, a not wholly ugly!'
mircea_popescu: just the tits. acceptable at say 13, but she looks like she imperatively needs the knife.
doppler: pointy!
BingoBoingo: <phf> well, if you assemble a car out of chinese parts in alaska it still wouldn't be an alaskan car, but the line gets blurry << Many proud "USA!!!" mower made in USA, even varied manufacters (even when accounting for companies collecting "badges"). Motors usually now made by Loncin motor company of China. But USA!!! made the mower!!!
BingoBoingo: <phf> well, in u.s. dominant roasting brands tend to ruin the coffee << But ruined consistently!!!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB77044FC17881EC0A5EA941010DF040E7EB3CDA3CCEADFCB876AA2597FF565 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1449...4567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.84.131.35 (ssh-rsa key from 50.84.131.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rrcs-50-84-131-35.sw.biz.rr.com. US TX)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB77044FC17881EC0A5EA941010DF040E7EB3CDA3CCEADFCB876AA2597FF565 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1427...0857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.84.131.35 (ssh-rsa key from 50.84.131.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rrcs-50-84-131-35.sw.biz.rr.com. US TX)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: printing of tshirts and stickers, leatherworking/seaming, i believe the glass fabrication folks are in on it as well
ben_vulpes: none of it much larger than "cottage industry"
asciilifeform: 'printing of tshirts' is now 'industry' ?!
asciilifeform: somebody excavate and inform nubbins!
asciilifeform: incidentally i still have a crate and a half of s.nsa shirts here.
asciilifeform: originally i was ready to include them with FUCKGOATS but found that it would require even larger and costlier (shipment overseas is already outrageous, costs > the hardware ) parcel .
mircea_popescu: eh, gift them to people you like.
asciilifeform: already did.
asciilifeform: there are many, many more in the inventory, than there are people i like.
asciilifeform: ( most of whom -- already got one . )
asciilifeform: i have literally a cubic metre of'em.
danielpbarron: you were supposed to send some to me!
asciilifeform: hmm
asciilifeform: yes!
mircea_popescu: so like more people. and write to more people.
asciilifeform: no he's right, iirc he even paid for this, and somehow it fell through the floor
mircea_popescu: also, rent a pool, get all the girls to do t-shirt only, make video, wear bling.
danielpbarron: if you have 100 to spare i can throw them in with my own FUCKGOATS orders :D
asciilifeform: danielpbarron would you kindly resent the qty & destination.
danielpbarron: yessir
asciilifeform: ty danielpbarron .
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/foIIo/?raw=true ; I don't recall the original amount, and I don't know that I ever paid you for them anyway. I think even then it was to be a gift. I did pay nubbins, and he never sent them, and was supposed to refund payment, but I don't think that ever came either
danielpbarron: this all happened right around the time of the chan fork
asciilifeform: nono danielpbarron did pay.
asciilifeform: crate will go out this wk.
danielpbarron: lol, cool
BingoBoingo: How much is t-shirt?
asciilifeform: 0 + postage to l1
asciilifeform: while they last.
BingoBoingo: And how much is postage?
asciilifeform: depends how many pieces, neh
BingoBoingo: What sizes do you have?
asciilifeform: pretty sure they only existed in 1
asciilifeform: but not entirely
asciilifeform: will have to open the crates, see.
mircea_popescu: nah were various sizes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo patriotic americanS ?
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: also "invaded in their space"
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at "yes we can" anal camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/94685d9df2332cecde4bb83d576a7db0/tumblr_nyub3n9RxV1u7izcgo1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho si se puede indeed
mircea_popescu: lel
ben_vulpes: from the annals of well-engineered application of force: https://68.media.tumblr.com/ae3acc647db92af58702b31087b30b78/tumblr_oohx87Hr2R1vnq1cro1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: annals eh ?
ben_vulpes: ;)
BingoBoingo: What if Hussein Bahamas *really* isn't Kenyan and that propaganda was started to hide the fact he is Ethiopian from the moslems?
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8TIrc/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: ty danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: obama's only race is cocksucker.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But as an ethiopian with skinny legs Obama could wreck the Kabba and start moslem end times
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: Which would mean Kenya v Hawaii was a double false flag
ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/
ben_vulpes: "You can then add some data protection by remotely encrypting data during the closed business hours when data could be exposed to wiley hackers."
ben_vulpes: wiley hackers, i tell you! they could be trying to get in, right this minute, through the window! or maybe just by talking to their wife, they can learn enough to put into their artificial intelligence hackery machines to make guesses at your password! you need this thing! that we sell!
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/easter-manhunt-in-us/ << Qntra - Easter Manhunt In US
ben_vulpes: kicker is that they're nsf funded
mats: bitbet returns
davout: so it looks
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645001 <<< "Everyone has lost their patience with failed technology and broken promises." pretty lulzy
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 06:03 ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/pFmNY
asciilifeform: ^ +26% over last yr.
asciilifeform: https://bitbet.us/bet/1361/alphago-to-beat-ke-jie-in-april << 'Bet is not time-weighted.' >> lol
mircea_popescu: o it's back ?
asciilifeform: apparently
asciilifeform: 0 word re where it was for ~2wks
davout: was it two weeks? more like 5 days iirc
asciilifeform: hm
davout: then again i don't visit it erryday
mircea_popescu: cool.
Framedragger: sent email kindly requesting post mortem or *anything*, can't hurt. probably lots of people did that tho.
trinque: !!gettrust znort987
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
trinque: ^ investing in this would also not hurt.
trinque: rather, this
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot znort987
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
Framedragger: ^ lots of trust from lending *to* folks, heh (well i got a bit of it via that, too)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-monday/ << Trilema - The story of Monday
mircea_popescu: and in other breakfasts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bac4e5b4cfa3a01a3fb73f221f33b064/tumblr_o89g979iFc1u7c086o1_500.gif
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645001 << this has gotta be parody... >> 'Anti-virus, Intrusion Detection, Machine Learning... What does it all mean? We give you security you can understand. You can then move on with your life.'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 06:03 ben_vulpes: sheeeeit i do say this is some highly refined snake oil: http://www.spotcyber.com/
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nominal nsf grantee
asciilifeform: i can believe it.
asciilifeform: ( homeopath, astrologer, alchemist, perpetuum mobilist, can quite easily get 'nsf grant' if he sticks to the Official terminology, and -- importantly -- has the right pedigree / institutional cocksuckery )
mircea_popescu: hey, it works because there's a large contingent of morons who "want to move on with their life". what fucking life ? "make money on auto-pilot". bitch... do do what ? i wouldn't make money on auto-pilot if you paid me to!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do they do in all that time they saved ?
mircea_popescu: and it's universal, "oh, buy the wife white goods so she has more time to grow bitter in!"
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit, grind my coffee by hand every morning and be happy to be naked.
mircea_popescu: there;s no fucking life to "get on with" outside of all the shit you don't do but should have.
asciilifeform: people with 'no theorems to prove' rot, whether grinding coffee is motorized or with pestle.
mircea_popescu: this is not true.
mircea_popescu: there can be such a thing as a beautiful dog, though no dog ever proved a theorem.
asciilifeform: dog.
mircea_popescu: there's such a thing as a beautiful cocksucker too.
mircea_popescu: point of life is to be a maximal you, not a maximal someone else.
asciilifeform: if you have a wife whose maximalized version is a kind of bipedal coffee grinder -- why not instead buy motorized grinder. cheaper, quicker, lighter.
mircea_popescu: because you like your wife.
asciilifeform: wife who was born to grind?
mircea_popescu: hey, you are at liberty to like whatever the fuck you like.
mircea_popescu: i like paintings that do nothing besides just sitting there.
mircea_popescu: what, it gotta do tricks now ?
asciilifeform: i thought we were discussion functional items, 'white goods' etc
asciilifeform: *discussing
mircea_popescu: even so.
asciilifeform: and specifically the 'so she has more time to grow bitter in!'
asciilifeform: by that logic, armless+legless wife is best
asciilifeform: won't stab you in the back!
asciilifeform: won't run off.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow ?
asciilifeform: recall the thread re ru army where folx paint the snow -- white, and the grass -- green ?
mircea_popescu: i do.
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that mircea_popescu subscribes to this philosophy re women?
mircea_popescu: do you recall the threadf where rich people ate white flour, which made poor people want to eat white flour, which made idiots misdirect some of the power of industrialization to give it to them, which made them sick, whichj continued the vicious cycle until someone figuredf it out and now people mostly eat brown flour ?
asciilifeform: 'devil makes work for idle hands' being the engl. proverb
mircea_popescu: nah.
asciilifeform: i thought that one was about the private auto. but it could be about 10,001 things, equally.
mircea_popescu believes that it is indescribably stupid to replace the woman with a robot in her most productive activity. EVEN IF the robot would do a better job.
asciilifeform: flour, yes
mircea_popescu: what that most productive activity is depends on the woman, or man, or dog. to replace others may be a good idea (or not -- how smart is it to not walk because car and then gym because no exercise ?) but entirely replacing the poor sod out of productive activity and thereby world relevancy is psychological poison.
mircea_popescu: let her ENJOY the fact that she actually is a thing of this world and contributes with her hands to this world. why shouldn't she.
mircea_popescu: let the woman be a thing as often as practicable, it sure as fuck beats her being a figment of someone's imagination. and other alternatives DO NOT EXIST.
asciilifeform: how does working with a power tool preclude 'contribute with hands, be a thing of this world' etc ?
mircea_popescu: does not preclude. but in most cases, woman who no longer has to cook daily because fridge works with the reddiTV.
mircea_popescu: which is why i say -- depends on woman. if she can be useful with a tank buy her a fucking tank, why not.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet for instance has a full complement of power equipment. and cooks daily.
asciilifeform: which is why i suspect that it ain't about the tools.
mircea_popescu: whole thread is a restatement of "machinery is to enhance not to replace human"
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: so no, entirely not about the tools.
mircea_popescu: the strict and unyielding fact of biology is that most women are barely qualified to chase after age-disabled spawn and make food. there's no shame in this, it being entirely natural.
mircea_popescu: nor is there much value in replacing either function "so she can get on with her life." what fucking life ?! that was her life!
mircea_popescu: and i say all this, of course, because http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/
asciilifeform: male office plankton is a similarly abject creature
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally ever saw one of those misfortunate dogs who got cured of their hip displasia by having ruedas delanteras attached ?
asciilifeform: waiwat
mircea_popescu: dog on wheels!
asciilifeform: dun think so
asciilifeform: but i can picture it
mircea_popescu: craziest shit i ever saw, mostly because if one has even a vague familiarity with dogs they seem to look sadder than when they couldn[t move barely at all.
asciilifeform: http://ortopediacanina.com/1286-thickbox_default/ruedas-delanteras-para-silla-de-ruedas.jpg << apparently standard equipment...
mircea_popescu: you've never seen dogs so depressed.
mircea_popescu: but then again! ever saw young dog in car ? going fast ? woooooh wuf wuf wuf!!!11 ?
mircea_popescu: it's not the fucking wheels per se.
asciilifeform: !#s power process
a111: 15 results for "power process", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=power%20process
asciilifeform: hm, none of these are it
asciilifeform: !#s kaczynski
a111: 15 results for "kaczynski", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kaczynski
asciilifeform: ^ 'unabomber'(tm) d00d had a very cogent discussion of this principle, with the coffee grinding and meaningless lives, and wheel dog.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall it, but i believe.
asciilifeform: http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt << text. grep 'power process'.
asciilifeform: pretty obvious item imho.
mircea_popescu: (i will for the record point out that the bread example is uniquely adequate because the centurial idiocy that is by now the only meaning of "american" started in this exact manner -- upper class bitches got white goods from westinghouse so they could have their precious butts and worthless heads freed from the chores of everyday so they could focus on... on what ? ON CHARITY!!111. review the "a one woman mission for your own
mircea_popescu: personal salvation" 1950s bs etc.
mircea_popescu: then the lower classes wanted it too, except who the fuck was going to be on the receiving end of all this mass industrialized chairty ?
mircea_popescu: so noncreatures like obama were created for the purpose, and the middle east still bears the burden of this typically usian retardation)
mircea_popescu: by 2010s it's literally a case of "watch tv and vicariously participate in the salvation of imaginary creatures". the keywords are of course "raise awareness" and "educate the public". fruits of a long shriveled vine, that nevertheless the trained eye can readily distinguish.
mircea_popescu: these are the lower middle class women that made it! living the dream of middle class 1910s!
mircea_popescu: somehow the point that "those misfortunate products of teratogenesis were so fucking sad not even their husbands could be paid to fuck em!!1" is never made. but no, ~nobody could be bothered with 1910s "socialite", ie, rich girl with no skills, no utility and no tits.
mircea_popescu: they went into charity because those were the only people who couldn't say no.
mircea_popescu: and even those -- did say no, every chance they got.
mircea_popescu: so how about "i wonder why the terrorists hate us" is rendered as the correct and adequate "boy we must suck -- not even those sandniggers living in goat dung want us."
asciilifeform: sorta why these folx busy themselves with eternal work of manufacturing ever-sadder charitycases
asciilifeform: 'arabs hate us and piss on our charity' 'let's bulldoze syria' 'koreans piss on us and the horse we rode in on' 'let's bulldoze korea'
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to be working worth a shit, but hey.
mircea_popescu: "gotta do something" "why ?" "because of all that free time we got to get on with our lives!!!1"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B1A9F452B782A5B514DAE74FD12EA0BA1838FA677C530E11F18FC0D7EB33AA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...3113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.247.235.46 (ssh-rsa key from 220.247.235.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.adamjeelukmanjee.com. LK 1)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B1A9F452B782A5B514DAE74FD12EA0BA1838FA677C530E11F18FC0D7EB33AA7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1671...0723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '220.247.235.46 (ssh-rsa key from 220.247.235.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.adamjeelukmanjee.com. LK 1)
asciilifeform: Adamjee Lukmanjee & Sons (Pvt) Ltd. << 'Our history as Adamjee Lukmanjee and Sons Ltd can be traced back to the mid 19th century when our founder, Adamjee Lukmanjee set sail on a pioneering voyage from the Gulf of Kutch (Gujarat, India) into an unknown future in Ceylon (Sri Lanka)....'
mircea_popescu: as a stowaway on a british vessel.
asciilifeform: probably
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/379638-organizator-terakt-metro-peterburg << purported arrest film of train snackbar d00d
asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, http://archive.is/EuCL6 >> 'A three-month old baby was summoned to the US embassy in London for an interview after his grandfather mistakenly identified him as a terrorist.'
mircea_popescu: baby's shenanigans finally coming to end!
ben_vulpes: the spaces gcc wanted for Real True C++11 Standard Compliance appears to have not affected node behavior
ben_vulpes: granted, i'm not looking into it too deeply beyond "m yeah blocks seem to be accruing"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: remind me what this was for ?
ben_vulpes: first step towards slicing boost, if that's even possibru
asciilifeform: aaaah
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: always seemed quite possible to asciilifeform after finding out re newfangled 2000s cpp
ben_vulpes: i could be wrong, pre c++11 might have adequate for loops
asciilifeform: it's mostly used for clean loops etc
asciilifeform: aha
ben_vulpes: lol right?
asciilifeform: kinda the point of cpp11
asciilifeform: was to subsume boost etc into the standard
ben_vulpes: origin story of this particular side quest is that i wanted to remove things from a list without having to jump through the hoops of remove and erase by using std::list remove_if
asciilifeform: pretty sure you still gotta destroy the object somehow
asciilifeform: ( and the idiot made this ~impossible to do cleanly for most of'em )
mircea_popescu: this adds ben_vulpes to the list of people who seriously considered the matter of snipping trbn into shape, came to ~same conclusion, ie that rewrite is unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: which is how trb-i even became an item.
asciilifeform: not unrelatedly, asciilifeform now has a working mmap glue for ada.
asciilifeform: ( adacore's was terrible, bulky, winblowz-fallback-containing, and overall unpleasant )
ben_vulpes: sweet deal
phf: i decided to check out one of those communal work coffee shops, and you get every single stereotype here: startup bros, tinder date in progress, political feminists discussing next protest, but what takes the cake is a guy with a typewriter.
mircea_popescu: what is one of those communal work coffee shops ?
mircea_popescu: and i hope it was a Leika typewriter.
asciilifeform: typewriter?!
phf: i shit thee not(tm)
asciilifeform: as in, mechanical, underwood?
phf: correct
asciilifeform: nuts.
mircea_popescu: i should have kept all those ancient electric ones, made a fortune selling them to hipsters door to door.
asciilifeform scrapped his years ago
mircea_popescu is old enough to remember the days business ~= telex.
asciilifeform: i still got the dotmatrix printers tho
asciilifeform: and the paper.
mircea_popescu: put that in your "three year experience" pipe an' smoke it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those were actually good.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: never really obsoleted, imho
asciilifeform: laser dun replace'em
asciilifeform: ( go and make a ~scroll~ with laser printer. )
mircea_popescu: notrly. tractor lister job, 1k pages+, let it do its thing come back in morning.
asciilifeform: ^^
mircea_popescu: current replacement pos jams 100%.
asciilifeform: there ain't a replacement.
phf: i remember when laser was a status symbol..
asciilifeform: nobody makes a tractor inkjet any more
asciilifeform: phf: i also remember when colour laser was, not so long ago
asciilifeform: but i got one for 25bux in scrap shop.
asciilifeform: and it runs.
asciilifeform: ( the FUCKGOATS schematics you get in the parcel, came out of it )
phf: but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop?
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, why would anybody drag a typewriter to a cafe
asciilifeform: ... demonstratively, loudly show off 'see me write!111' ?
phf: i have a writer friend who claims typewriters keep him focused on task at hand, but in this case he purchased one of those radioshack devices, keyboard with 64k of text storage
asciilifeform: those are great
asciilifeform: because Not A Computer
asciilifeform: !#s alphasmart
a111: 0 results for "alphasmart", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=alphasmart
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: !~google alphasmart
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Amazon.com: Alphasmart Alpha Smart 3000 Word Processing ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Alphasmart-Alpha-3000-Processing-Computer/dp/B002WJ8VLM>; Amazon.com: Alphasmart Neo - Handheld: Office Products: <https://www.amazon.com/Alphasmart-NEO-AA-0410-10971-AQ-Neo-Handheld/dp/B007BHWRII>; AlphaSmart - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaSmart>
phf: i'm pretty sure we had one or two threads, but about a different device
asciilifeform: ^ cult classic gadget
asciilifeform: there are several of these, aha
asciilifeform: plain ascii text entry thing, that runs for months off a set of 'aa' batteries
asciilifeform: no network, no removable disks
asciilifeform: ( to get text ~out~, you plug it in, and it emulates a keyboard, 'types' )
phf: !#s nec pc8201a
a111: 1 result for "nec pc8201a", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nec%20pc8201a
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181886
a111: Logged on 2015-06-30 18:30 ascii_field: ' the NEC still wins over most portable computers of any time for the quality of its keyboard. This is a machine for typing on, and producing content, not for consuming content... Even now, nearly 30 years after production, it still works perfectly. The larger capacity modern rechargeable AA cells means that four of these will keep it running for weeks. Astonishing battery life compared with modern devices.'
doppler: asciilifeform: and some of them ran palm OS and had wireless networking :)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181883 << that one was a (small) real comp tho, phf
a111: Logged on 2015-06-30 18:29 ascii_field: http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/necpc8201a.html
asciilifeform: and in fact most '80s-early '90s portables had unspeakably great (by today's standards) keyboards.
asciilifeform: 'alphasmart' had a terrible keyboard, similar to late '90s crapple. it was originally made for schoolchildren. but it remains cult classic among certain folx.
phf: for any consumer device in a set of all consumer devices, there exists at least one very eager japanese collector
asciilifeform: it is imho interesting (and this is, yes, not the 1st or 2nd thread re subj) that the niche of 'comp that runs on batteries for month' is a niche wholly unfilled by 'modern' crapolade
asciilifeform: and if you want one, you gotta hunt on 'ebay' etc. for years.
phf ding
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czxZk5CFz4k
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: doppler: i have all of the 'alphasmart' boxes, from 1st to last, the 'palm' one indeed took sd cards (two, no less, even) and had infrared diode.
asciilifeform: its only serious plus was the bigger lcd.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu noticed that 'wot' link on trilema www is still ye olde mike_c wot
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mats: phf: is the coffee shop like these coworking spaces? http://workbar.com
asciilifeform: they have these in dc also.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-21#1281330 << last thread iirc
a111: Logged on 2015-09-21 21:39 phf: mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there
phf: same principle
phf: i think you had office share for a long time (places like Regus), then around early hackernews you had the whole "working from coffee shop" fad. some places started recognizing the fad and catering to that crowd. at some point somebody had an "idea" to update office share image by adding the necessary signaling of the work from coffee shop "culture". actually this coffee shop i'm at (http://www.trystdc.com) predates recent iteration of coworking s
phf: paces. i worked from here in 2005 or so "building startup"
asciilifeform: phf: i've been there
asciilifeform: but only once, and did not notice the 'culture'
asciilifeform: just got a drink, was all.
phf: i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area
ben_vulpes: 130/mo for hot desk, not actually too bad
ben_vulpes: but you have to go up to 350/mo for 24/7 access
ben_vulpes: minimum buy 1.2/mo for 'office'
phf: ben_vulpes: the two big coworking places in dc are https://www.wework.com and https://www.1776.vc
ben_vulpes: there is a wework right down the street
ben_vulpes: it has stapled shameful brass brand plates onto the beautiful old customs building
phf: i've never been to wework, but 1776 is lulzy. last time i was there they had a talk "difficulties facing female CEOs" to a roomful. they also have regular classes like "learning how to program, with ruby on rails" etc.
mats: heh
asciilifeform: this always seemed surreal to asciilifeform -- like paying to be sat in jail
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i recently saw a pitch for a very 'colorful' animated tv show (?) that would teach children the basics of html/css/js
ben_vulpes: child abuse i tell you
ben_vulpes: (but this is asciilifeform's line...)
phf: i'm not even trying with these things, their current "events" page, https://www.1776.vc/events/break-into-web-development/ and https://www.1776.vc/events/digital-transformation-empowering-people-organizations-in-a-changing-world/
ben_vulpes: > break into the community
mats: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-art-of-giving-a-tedx-talk-tickets-32306198710
mats: workbar event on 'The Art of Giving a TEDx Talk'
ben_vulpes: thing is terrifyingly long-lifed
phf: mats: that's beautiful
phf: look at the colouration on its wings, the segmentation of thorax
mats: at least its free
ben_vulpes: if your time has no value :D
asciilifeform: in other noose... LYSO ( cerium-doped lutetium yttrium orthosilicate ) scintillator is apparently just the thing for rng.
asciilifeform: incl. not needing a gamma source ( Lu-175, stable, is ~97.4% abundant, remainder is mostly Lu-176, 3.8e10 yr. halflife, ~1.2MeV gamma )
asciilifeform: thing fluoresces at 428nm peak.
asciilifeform: so now the mega-question is the obvious one:
asciilifeform: can you do http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636960 by 1) taking 2 of these 2) letting'em 'fuck', i.e. mating open ends of the crystals together, and seeing if same output.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 04:00 asciilifeform: ( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!)
asciilifeform: ( believe it or not, pieces of LYSO are commercially available and sold in massive qty, they are used in cosmic ray telescopy )
asciilifeform: http://www.ultreo.com/images/scintillators1.jpg << subj.
asciilifeform: https://srs.fbk.eu/sites/srs.fbk.eu/files/styles/adaptive/public/sipm_lyso_22mm_0.jpg << subj epoxied to photodiode.
asciilifeform: http://physicsopenlab.org/2016/02/19/sipm-as-gamma-scintillation-detector << spectra and moar.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645175 << oh so a starbucks ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 19:47 phf: but yeah a communal work coffee shop is a space that advertises itself as a coffee shop, but mostly consists of permanently parked people with laptops. i'd say about 7-10 years ago it suddenly was hip to work from coffee shop?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good point. what's the cannonical place i forget ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which place
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> noticed that 'wot' link on trilema www is still ye olde mike_c wot
asciilifeform: aaah
asciilifeform: trinque's , i think
asciilifeform: http://wot.deedbot.org <<
mircea_popescu: someone was making a visual explorer worked pretty well.
mircea_popescu: http://wot.deedbot.org/M.html << this shit's pretty sweet also. who had the visualiser, ben_vulpes ?
asciilifeform: i thought ^this ~was~ the visualizer
mircea_popescu: no, was graphical.
asciilifeform: ah hm
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ?
mircea_popescu: also the various presets on mike's thing were good, with the weighted averages he had.
ben_vulpes: nono, trinque
ben_vulpes: trinque's visualizer lives at http://wot.deedbot.org/
mircea_popescu: gotta integrate all these into a thing
ben_vulpes: well visualizer of 'M' doesn't mean much
asciilifeform idly wonders what % of the thing, by mass, is otc randos rating other otc randos in 2011 era
ben_vulpes: http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.html << visualizer in action
mircea_popescu: epic shit
mircea_popescu: sorry for not linking it sooner.
mod6: update: 453K+ blocks, into blk0050... the last one I had.
mod6: should be done soon. will publish the results complete with nmon charts.
asciilifeform: mod6: remind me plz what this was
asciilifeform: eatblock time plot ?
mod6: the offline eatblock of entire chain (or at least what I had before was getting blackholed)
asciilifeform: aaah neato.
mod6: yup.
mod6: also, collected another 1.1Gb of entropy from fg since yesterday.
asciilifeform: also neato
mod6: running ent & dh on the output file. this was produced from the same fg unit that the blog was covering.
asciilifeform: incidentally the moar, the merrier, many of the tests still loop at 1G.
asciilifeform: (ask dieharder author why, not me)
asciilifeform: tbh, imho it is quite ridiculous to loop the input.
asciilifeform: it probably explains oddities like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644367 .
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 03:45 asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly -- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jtwkB/?raw=true << 1G of bytes from /dev/urandom on linux 4.2.3 . )
asciilifeform: http://www.global-mind.org << in other 'parody? or not..' lulz !
asciilifeform: 'The Global Consciousness Project Meaningful Correlations in Random Data ...when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured....'
asciilifeform: didjaknow!!1
asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, the tardano makers don't sleep, http://ubld.it/products/truerngpro << New! Improved! with two... soldered-down shields. and oscillating voltage booster right on the pcb.
mod6: Here are my results from the second run from the 1st FG tested: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run2.txt
mod6: I'm going to collect one more 1Gb+ from this 1st FG, run the ent & dh again, and then move on to the next one. Results should be done in ~24hrs.
asciilifeform: neato mod6 .
asciilifeform: incidentally how did you power yours ?
asciilifeform: (usb hub ? direct plug into pc ?)
asciilifeform: if using hub -- be sure to use powered hub.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems looping over 1g is rather nonsensical.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dieharder's ~tests~ loop.
mircea_popescu: i know. and i don't see why they would.
mircea_popescu: which is why i said should prolly talk to guy see what he says
mod6: I'm using the USB-TTL cable that I bought, separate from the one shipped with the fg. There's a picture of the connection up close in the blog post. It is plugged directly into the computer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu wouldja try and get him in here ? pretty pleez?
mircea_popescu: i dont have an email!
asciilifeform: mod6: nice.
asciilifeform: hanbot around?
mod6: lemme see if I can dig him up
mod6: rgb@phy.duke.edu
mircea_popescu: win.
mod6: (Robert G. Brown)
mod6: copyright at this www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php page is denoted as 2017, so he must still be ~somewhat~ active.
mod6: version listed at the site is 3.31.1, which is the same version I'm using.
mod6: (see posted output files on my site)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645221 << were you any good at that ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 21:04 phf: i used to promote a bar in the same block (tom tom's, closed now), so i used to spend a lot of time in this area
asciilifeform: mod6: i have 3.31.1 also.
mod6: ok good to know.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-17#1645236 ><< speaking of, there's a whole "ted talks costa rica" "culture".
a111: Logged on 2017-04-17 21:18 mats: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-art-of-giving-a-tedx-talk-tickets-32306198710

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