a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 21:59 mircea_popescu: anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
mircea_popescu: noncompliant items can i guess go in 'experimental' or whatever ghetto.
mircea_popescu: let me change that : "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" should read "no '--- ' or '+++ ' as first 4 characters of any line -- you have been warned"
mircea_popescu: dude's ~as maddox-knockoffy / dumb as i remember it, however, "The Pick Up Artist community has turned thousands of young men into silly cheap-shits. Their The Game plan is simple: 1. Dont pay for shit. 2. ? 3. Pussy! But thats like switching from live bait to dynamite when youre fishing in the bathtub. Heres a straighter line between points U and P: 1. Stop dating chicks that arent going to fuck you!"
mircea_popescu: check that out! "bitcoin is now 100% more valuable than it was three weeks ago", in preference of "bitcoin is exactly the same but we're willing to admit twice as much weakness in the worthless fiat than we were three weeks ago"
BingoBoingo: In miscelanous reflections that ought to have made yesterday's log except for brain lag, on the small regional flight economy plus was totally worth it. Window, your seat, aisle, pair of suckers.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, in Europe at least the "difference" between economy and business class on small regional flights is quite often a... curtain drawn to separate the 2 areas of the aircraft, but not much else (same seats, same space/lack of it, same food if you really need airplane-food on a 2-3 hours flight)
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: There was no business class on the embraer 145, just "ecomomy" on the two seat side of the aisle and "economy plus" on the solo seat side
asciilifeform: 'The Restatement (Second) of Torts § 559 lists “membership in the Ku Klux Klan” as the quintessential illustration of a defamatory statement. In an opinion piece in The Detroit News, columnist Bankole Thompson asserted that radio show host James Edwards is a “leader” of the Ku Klux Klan. There is no record evidence to suggest that Edwards holds a formal leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan, nor is there any record evidence
asciilifeform: this lack of formal relationship, Edwards has espoused views consistent with those associated with the Klan and, equally as important, he has repeatedly and publicly embraced several individuals who are strongly associated with the Klan. Mindful of Aesop's lesson, “A man is known by the company he keeps,” 1 we hold that Edwards cannot make claims of defamation or invasion of privacy and affirm summary disposition in favor of defe
diana_coman: asciilifeform, mind publishing somewhere your current vdiff?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
BingoBoingo: In other news, IOC banned Russia from 2018 winter olympics
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 11:15 mircea_popescu: lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
BingoBoingo: But every toilet bowl so far has been expanding due to humidity exposure on it's bottom (water facing side)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, btw, didja see the piece where trump is shutting down whatever "natural monument" in utah ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 02:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ?
diana_coman: ugh; now I have a situation in which mod6's v simply drops on the floor my patch, while asciilifeform's v sees it correctly in the flow BUT when pressing it barfs saying that a readme file that the patch deletes does not exist as a result of previous patch WHILE pressing previous patch actually creates that file;
mircea_popescu: if this woman started responsibly a day early with all this and she's STILL gonna miss her today deadline ima hang someone
mircea_popescu: the idea is that if pantsuit makes a paper dolly of "men" that'll do something irl.
mircea_popescu: obviously, something other than insta-bitchslap for opening mouth.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gox world, 'TOKYO (AP) — A bitcoin mining company in Slovenia has been hacked for the possible theft of tens of millions of dollars, just days before the virtual currency, which hit a record above $15,000 on Thursday, is due to start trading on major U.S. exchanges. ... address referred to by NiceHash users indicates that about 4,700 bitcoins had been stolen'
mircea_popescu: as far as wot is concerned, exactly like you say, div0, what the fuck do we care. we knew they're worthless going in.
asciilifeform: but how much truth is there in the statement ? picture if mircea_popescu were to drink a defective batch of rum, and goes with 10k btc to a gox. do you for a moment think that they will come up with 1.5e8 usd that day, to give for it ?
mircea_popescu: there can never be any truth in a statement made by the wotless.
mircea_popescu: "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc.
diana_coman: is there some documented process re how to create with V basically a new project that will contain as *internal* components derivations of existing projects? for example: eucrypt will have inside an mpi component; as seen earlier, I can patch mpi directly, but then how do I include the result in a higher structure? can I even do it while preserving the links? (I guess it would mean that resulting project has effectively 2 roots: one the ge
diana_coman: nesis of eucrypt itself and one the genesis of mpi)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: let's carefully specify the question: what means 'internal'
asciilifeform: there are fundamentally 2 ways to go about using a vtronic item as a component in another. one is to subsume it into your own
asciilifeform: so in that case it is a linear parent ( grandparent etc ) of your item.
asciilifeform: the other is to preserve the two lineages as separate, but to link your item against e.g. mpi.a , and to insert the latter's hash into your vtree, to proclaim the linkage -- as i did with the binariola schematic jpegs in FG genesis.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu expressed a strong preference for the ~former~ approach, at one point
asciilifeform: asciilifeform prefers the latter. but this is a fundamental sort of decision, i'd ask mircea_popescu , it's his proggy
asciilifeform: it is exceedingly difficult to revise this kind of thing at a later time.
asciilifeform: i'll add only that imho it matters just how strongly-coupled your outer proggy is with the library
asciilifeform: if loosely -- continuation of parallel v-lineages could make sense. if tightly -- marry'em.
asciilifeform: ftr i have no intention of amending mpi myself . if at some time i discover a new kochism therein, i will vdiff against diana_coman's mpi-containing entity
asciilifeform: ( what was asciilifeform going to do with mpi ? there was plan, for 1 further cut, of the logger and the allocator. but i put it in cold storage when began work on ffa . )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, can you work me through the steps to "subsume it into your own"? I don't yet see clearly what that is
asciilifeform: it means that you simply lift the code from the press.
asciilifeform: when drawn in phf's viewer, this will appear as a graph with two genesisen. which mircea_popescu seems to have allergy for, for some reason. but there is nothing outrageous mechanically about it.
asciilifeform: the important aspect is to avoid the mistake asciilifeform made early on in vtronic era, with 'tinyscheme' proggy
asciilifeform: where the linkage was ~not~ mechanically clear, because it appeared merely as a set of external symbols inside trb, rather than a proper lift of the files
asciilifeform: draw how you want the graph to look. and only then make the diffs. not vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform preference or no preference it'll have to be reground
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear with me if this discussion unearthed a fundamental bug in v design whereby we have no good way to import projects.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck exactly can't i move project/a to master/project/a through a patch ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman if every single patch you release is a genesis ( i.e. previously existing items are lifted with paste ) then you may as well simply publish signed tarballs, you are not actually using v
asciilifeform: for that matter, order'em to make the 'make' clean properly. also straightforward op. what kind of people cannot set up a make.
asciilifeform: programmers see kindness as weakness, diana_coman . borrow a spiked bat from mircea_popescu , it will work wonders.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom : http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/07/1 >> '...Debian switch from gpg1 to gpg2... After getting gpg and agent running, I noticed, that not reliably stopping the gpg-agent on initrd would introduce a private key data leak via /proc from early boot process to running system when stopping fails...' and,
asciilifeform: '...we found out, that the specification of the "--s2k-count" parameter, which specifies the number of rounds of key deriviation function to unlock the private key, has changed from gpgv1 to gpgv2, so that it is ignored in gpg2 but does not cause any warning or error.'
asciilifeform: '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
asciilifeform: 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. << very doable for BingoBoingo in el estados unidos
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar. << Nah, declare it and your affinity for gambling
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: didja do this via localbitcoins hand2hand?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc. << And there's the pain of the experiment
asciilifeform: ( which, exactly , 'confidentiality privilege' remain ? iirc spouse-privilege was Officially cancelled, unhappened. ditto doctor, and attourney )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs.
asciilifeform: if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs. << This is why picasos are a thing
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side << if you leave at all, documented
asciilifeform: meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
asciilifeform: ate: esthlos (~user@75-147-20-126-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #trilema <<< >>> ate (~firstname.lastname@example.org) has joined #trilema << you ?
ate: asciilifeform Please excuse this noob, but I've been reading through your website over the past week or two. Creating a sane computing environment has been an interest of mine for a while, and most of my effots have been following the work of Alan Kay. Eventually, as I believe you have, I learned about the beautiful Lisp Machines, and am very interested in working to create modern versions.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: I hear they clean less in the off season. Today while exploring spotted many crews engaged in cleaning.
BingoBoingo: New construction, yes, cleaning yes, routine maintenance... not seen yet.
hanbot: I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
BingoBoingo: Ah, last nights venezualans mentioned they were very surprised by the number of cautions versus their experience
BingoBoingo: The venezualans are, like myself, economic refugees
BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell so far Uruguay lacks politics as understood by a middle western rube. Instead it has operations discusions concerning things like cleaning la playas.
mircea_popescu: confusing argentina for a country is not unlike confusing puppy for a baby -- ie something only uninformed fat old women could do.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I am pretty sure my 7 roommates at the hostel are argentine. I have talked to none of them yet because they are either sleeping or absent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oddly enough latinos don't really believe in "how about you doin't dirty las playas in the first place".
BingoBoingo: I really have to work on my camera speed, a trash donkey was spotted twice.
BingoBoingo: North of Montevideo Shopping and then traveling past the cowork
mircea_popescu: "oh, we are currently fibbing about you have immunity, therefore your constitutional protection is null and void, cuz that's how constitutions work now, therefore... oh what do you mean we'll change our mind later ? OF COURSE! you don't understand how the world works ?!"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 18:08 asciilifeform: '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
mircea_popescu: cat would rather burn down the house than live in washing machine ; and normal human being would rather crack the earth into a trillio nshards than live in the "united states" pantsuit has imagined. what's so hard about this ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 18:08 asciilifeform: 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 18:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
BingoBoingo: Anyways, right now I am being the friendliest gringo TMSR could retain as an ambassor. Leaning heavily on dumb gringo stereotype while calibrating listen and write heads to the local Castellano and screening potential contacts
ben_vulpes: pantsuits are on the case: ...[the judge] is under investigation over allegations of money laundering and illicit enrichment, with some critics suggesting that he may be targeting Fernandez's (sic?) as a smokescreen"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 21:00 mircea_popescu: "oh, we are currently fibbing about you have immunity, therefore your constitutional protection is null and void, cuz that's how constitutions work now, therefore... oh what do you mean we'll change our mind later ? OF COURSE! you don't understand how the world works ?!"
asciilifeform: the only other one i can immediately think of is flynn. but that's recent.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to break this to you, but "money" is here defined as > 1 gangster rolls.
mircea_popescu: im sure they have epsilon. guess what, so does my staffordshire terrier.
asciilifeform: 'the title to something worthless can always be monetized by making it even more worthless' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: like zhirinovsky's idea of how latvia should make buxxorz -- store fission wastes.
asciilifeform: btw i keep resisting but now gotta ask, how big exactly is a 'gangstaroll' ? when i went to ro i was able to pack a coupla kilobux , is all that will comfortably fold in normal human wallet
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:49 hanbot: I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
mircea_popescu: talk about "efficient market hypothesis". this is A LOT more in demand than pink ipad covers, for instance. "oh but mp, pink ipad covers aren't illegal!" o ya ? ALSO more in demand than cocaine.
mircea_popescu: nobody does a line for any other reason than to THINK they're there. so make it a reality, more margin that way.
asciilifeform: 'Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper es capitán de la Armada norteamericana, ingeniero, y por dos veces parte de la tripulación de misiones del Shuttle. Pero Heidemarie no es famosa por poseer este impresionante currículo. Lo es por haber perdido una bolsa de herramientas en la misión STS-126 y por haberse desmayado dos veces en la rueda de prensa que dio la tripulación del STS-115 (su primera misión) nada más aterrizar.'