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2017-10-19 | 2017-10-21

mircea_popescu: and here's a bit of an evolutionary biology mindbomb : since the ability to distinguish one's own sons from other's sons is positively selected in males, it is altogether probable males have developed the ability to recognize their own spawn as such.
mircea_popescu: soo... does the new baby LOOK TO YOU like it's yours ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai you around ?
shinohai: mircea_popescu: present
mircea_popescu: and in early rail locomotion, http://www.tikiwebgroup.com/fingeredorfucked/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/tumblr_ksrlkrr6uQ1qzaz2ro1_12801.jpg
shinohai: "What, 1435mm is all you got son?"
mircea_popescu: kek
shinohai: In other "Nobody could have predicted" http://archive.is/wTi4C
mircea_popescu: awww
mircea_popescu: "here's a list of a half dozen tards who paid some scammers way too much money to be named in an inept piece in random fiat fake news outlet"
mircea_popescu: "*A substantial profit. Our ageing editor needed the phrase translating." outsourced writing, too.
shinohai: The Dogecoin consideration was pretty lulzy though.
BingoBoingo: In other lols, there is a place in Brazil that has datacenters and it is lulzily enough named Uberlandia
shinohai searches for `Lyftlandia` ....
BingoBoingo: In other news Portuges feels more more Italian than Spanish on deeper digging
shinohai: Dem romance languages
BingoBoingo learns a lot reading ad copy
BingoBoingo: And power tool manuals
mircea_popescu: and in random weird, http://edgecasesoftware.com/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits.txt
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Enjoy not all the numbers. Apparently while life may be cheap in Asia, IPs are not? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/v35oI/?raw=true
phf: asciilifeform: don't forget to bring the customary earth in a small baggy from the motherland
shinohai: This is great ... what can possibly go wrong? https://github.com/Arachnid/solsha1
diana_coman: on Centos 6.8 (64bits) trying to read fg's output from ttyUSB0 with dd hangs on most occasions (erratically it will work but I haven't figured out when exactly); at the same time, a "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 " works perfectly fine <-- anybody knows what this is about?
diana_coman: I might add that I *did* run the stty command first ofc; AND reported settings afterwards seemed fine
mircea_popescu: diana_coman probably flow control
diana_coman: lol mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i r halp!
diana_coman: to re-phrase the question then: does anyone know of any centos/dd-specific idea re flow control? very same tty setup works on ubuntu or xubuntu verified; to reiterate: ttyUSB0 IS set with stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok; anything else centos wants there specifically?
diana_coman: otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out what screen does exactly that it works, ugh
mircea_popescu: whats dmesg say ?
mircea_popescu: iirc centos format is (sudo) setserial blabla, it lists devices / state etc with -g
diana_coman: hm, it sees it/reports it fine as far as I can tell; pl2303 attached to ttyUSB0; ehci_hcd
mircea_popescu: i would guess, since screen sees it fine, that your problem is later in the flow. maybe the windows manager fucks it up for you ?
diana_coman: will dig some more later I guess; unless someone knows this already
mircea_popescu: does problem persist if you use the actual system tty rather than X ?
diana_coman: what X? no X on that machine, lol
mircea_popescu: ah.
mircea_popescu: then nfi, pretty bizarre.
shinohai: In CentOS I think one has to pass -ixon or -ixoff to turn flow control on/off
diana_coman: shinohai, that seems to be a bit closer but not yet solved: added -ixoff and next run of dd went fine but then it was stuck again; turned on and off again and it was still just hanging so simply reset on that was not enough either; something is weird there
diana_coman: hmm, maybe ixany too, lemme see
shinohai: Indeed .... been a long time since I messed with CentOS so I may be wrong here ....
diana_coman: no, still hanging, ugh
diana_coman: guess I'll go through the full list and at least see if there is anything that might help
diana_coman: eh, raw actually includes -ixoff and -ixany so no wonder that did not do much
asciilifeform: diana_coman: gotta find out how your setup differs from that of mod6 , trinque , ben_vulpes , danielpbarron , et al
asciilifeform: diana_coman: also double-check your wiring.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, screen works on *same machine*
diana_coman: hence, more a matter of what does screen do differently
asciilifeform: what means screen works ?
diana_coman: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely
asciilifeform: yes it sees the tty. but FG puts out ~arbitrary~ octets (yes all 8 bits) and the tty gotta work with this without losing what it thinks is 'control chars' (0x13, 0x03, etc)
asciilifeform: screen won't tell you this
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not yet even there basically; dd simply hangs
diana_coman: usually hangs
asciilifeform: when you ctrl-c , what's it say ?
asciilifeform: '0 bytes copied' ?
diana_coman: yep
asciilifeform: red lamp on FG lit ? flickers ?
diana_coman: one in x runs of dd will even actually copy something
diana_coman: green lamp steady on, red lamp flickering just like in *another* fg that is currently purring away nicely at another machine
diana_coman: well, working, no noise
asciilifeform: switch the serial cables from one to the other
asciilifeform: b/w the working and the sad one
asciilifeform: entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG
asciilifeform: ( i expect that most purchasers throw away the usb cables )
diana_coman: did a stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a on a working machine and on this machine, flags are same except for hupcl vs -hupcl on centos and onlcr vs -onlcr on centos; and a -cdtrdsr on centos, not mentioned on the other
asciilifeform: 1) switch the entire ensembles places
diana_coman: asciilifeform, 1. I tried already 3 other cables; unlikely all three borked
asciilifeform: 2) then switch back, and switch only the cables.
diana_coman: 2. on same cable, screen reads ...
asciilifeform: screen will not necessarily show anything if you feed it 8bit garbage
diana_coman: but it shows...something at least; why does the other one not show anything?
asciilifeform: the canonical test is dd if=/dev/yourfg | hexdump -C -v
diana_coman: I switched this whole board to yet another machine , with its cable too; there it works
diana_coman: that is an ubuntu os
diana_coman: yes, canonical hence why I'm trying to get to the bottom of this
asciilifeform: ugh
asciilifeform: at this point i'd say that ubuntu is not a linux and explicitly unsupported...
asciilifeform: it's a fuckknowswhat
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, fine; trouble is it's centos where the thing is not working
asciilifeform: hm now that's odd
asciilifeform: betcha it's a buggy pl2303 driver.
asciilifeform: do you have a ftdi or other type of ttlserial cable in the house ?
asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
diana_coman: hm, should have somewhere; will dig and try I guess
shinohai: !!up collarmeslut
deedbot: collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Welcome collarmeslut
shinohai: Well how do you expect to get collared, slut, if you don't say anything?
BingoBoingo: Have your tried plugging it into your rs-232 port shinohai?
shinohai: wassat BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Your serial port, you know so she can speak through
shinohai: lol
phf: diana_coman: you can also try ``cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200'' since that doesn't take over the terminal AND if it works, you should be able to paste ``strace cu...'' output from which we can figure out what system calls that thing did before touching the device
asciilifeform: phf: i suspect this will do 0, in buggy pl2303 driver i encountered, it's the bandwidth and flowcontrol setttings that didn't take. but other than that adapter behaves normally
asciilifeform: which in the case of FG means worse-than-useless
asciilifeform: ( will pass through some bits, but at fraction of rated bandwidth and PATTERNED crapola )
asciilifeform: i've been thinking for entire year what is to be done about this, but have conceived of no solution other than THROW AWAY BROKEN OS OMFG
phf: well, if her stty is identical to whatever screen does, she should end up in an identical broken state, i.e. getting bits from dd same way she's getting bits from screen
asciilifeform: i don't see a mention of anything ~appearing~ in diana_coman's screen -- merely that it doesn't barf from nonexistent tty
asciilifeform: diana_coman did anything appear ?
phf: i assumed by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727227 she means that there's some kind of output
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 17:26 diana_coman: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes; I was trying to get that through but I'm possibly too tired for it: using screen results in constant stream of data
asciilifeform: pretty odd.
diana_coman: on the sad part it seems suitable cable not in house atm so it'll have to wait until tomorrow
phf: asciilifeform: you can have a hardware button fixed pattern: hold a button, a fixed pattern of bits come out that you use for sanity check
diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
diana_coman: apparently uncompatible though very similar and reported same ofc etc
asciilifeform: phf: on one hand could be useful, on other -- one more piece for enemy to wedge shut or otherwise manipulate in the post
asciilifeform: for enemy, for dust, for workings of ordinary mechanical failure
asciilifeform: i dun like having rng that is physically capable of putting out nonrandom.
asciilifeform: bad enough that the cpld fw is rewritable.
diana_coman: apparently there are 2 adapters namely ps2303 and ps2303x; incompatible; same vendor id and product id though
asciilifeform: ( i'dve installed onetimefused cpld, but IT DOES NOT EXIST on the market )
diana_coman: and so this one seems to be pl2303x
diana_coman: gah, pl* not ps
asciilifeform: nuts.
diana_coman: but detected as pl2303,hence barfs
asciilifeform: ugh
diana_coman: "the pl2303x can be distinguished from a pl2303 by checking bMaxPacketSize0 for device using lsusb -v -d 067b:2303; if bmaxpacketsize0 is 64 you probably have pl2303x"
phf: a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems
asciilifeform: phf: i fucking hate usbtoserial dongles
asciilifeform: problem is that ~nobody has an actual serial port
phf: they are basically like flash drives, 50 different branded versions of the same 5 Chinese controllers, 3 of which report same signature but behave slightly different, the other two are bugged by the agencies
asciilifeform: afaik there is not a clean solution to this, other than to burn the pc nonsense to the ground
asciilifeform: i will not make rngs that DEMAND 2way protocol and usb micro ( with the rewritable firmware nonsense ACTIVE AT ALL TIMES , and 50MB pdf of liquishit spec with holes )
asciilifeform: and i will NOT make a rng that doesn't work with msdos box
asciilifeform: so it is and will forever be a serial device, compatible with e.g. data diode.
asciilifeform: who has a box that understands plain old circa 1960s rs232 -- can use fuckgoats
asciilifeform: who does not have -- cannot.
asciilifeform: it is pretty basic 'pons asinorum' of sane hardware.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I might be wrong on this but my current understanding is that it's my machine that has the *older* rather than the "required" newer driver
BingoBoingo: In other lol: "We don´t work with colocation solutions, it´s possible we work with hosting servers?"
asciilifeform: also i'm open to shipping something other than pl2303, if anyone has suggestions. ftdi is BANNED because 1) it costs 10x moar than pl2303 2) it is american/tw 3) it has rewritable fw that cannot be disabled
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Described self as datacenter
phf: прачечная хуячечная это министерство культуры
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727299 bwhaaha
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:52 phf: a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems
mircea_popescu: teh sad truth
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727261 << where "everywhere" is one of the most widely installed web distros, at that. not even fucking obscure or anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 17:44 asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727264 << aww, the things i missed.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:03 deedbot: collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Nothing worse than an introverted slut
mircea_popescu: all sluts are introverts.
mircea_popescu: extroverts make great dickteases.
mircea_popescu: and in other choices and options, http://78.media.tumblr.com/93f81ba493dbb4d047886193c095ecfe/tumblr_nl99he3WxU1sd72xuo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727285 << ahahaha. totally forgot about this shit.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:49 diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
mircea_popescu: cuz obviously no standard can stay unembraced.
BingoBoingo: Cuntoo when?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727308 if only such heroes.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:56 asciilifeform: who does not have -- cannot.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727313 << you'd be fucking surprised how often this is the case. "hello sir, this is bank, it just doesn't do any banking, problem ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 19:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
asciilifeform: again if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , or anybody else here, wants to suggest a replacement dongle -- i'm all ears. or better yet if we didn't even ship a dongle, every machine owner has responsibility to find some way to have a working serial port, it is not properly a problem in the scope of FG
mircea_popescu: local fucktards for instance explained to me "they can't receive wires from abroad." i'm like... so got any rostipollo then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform simmer down, what're you so irritable foar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the dongle thing is 99++% of the fg support mail to date
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what do.
BingoBoingo: Reffer questions to the dongler? It's his profession?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this re diana_coman thread
BingoBoingo: And the other 98?
mircea_popescu: i don't expect there's much anyone can do. so far, we gather dataz.
ben_vulpes: eth kissing 0.05
shinohai: !!up sexylucy
deedbot: sexylucy voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Hi sexylucy
sexylucy: mircea_popescu hay Bitcoin por tetas?
shinohai: Hola sexylucy .... imagino que esta ausente por el momento, puedes esperar un momento?
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5970.0, vol: 14654.47240142 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5972.8, vol: 60631.91066838 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5978.0, vol: 4411.05321761 | Volume-weighted last average: 5972.57295322
shinohai: !~blocks
jhvh1: shinohai: 490883
mircea_popescu: sexylucy si que hay. b581b0a2 porfa.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724778
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 01:54 mircea_popescu: trinque don't sweat it, she'll do it when i tell her to, what. tomorrow, monday, whatever.
sexylucy: un momento
sexylucy: mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/DJ6p3B8.jpg
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: sexylucy direccion de bitcoin ?
sexylucy: 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.02 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EXOzd/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: sexylucy tarda unas horas.
sexylucy: si, ok gracias
mircea_popescu: cheers.
shinohai: A bot that can pay for tits, such technology :)
mircea_popescu: the future of the human race emerges ever clearer.
trinque does still owe a guide
mircea_popescu: if i dun have it i can't alter the article so they can't have to make wallets etc.\
trinque: I'm over here eagerly awaiting a printout, first non-hand-keyed withdrawal
mircea_popescu: o hey. sweet.
shinohai would be thrilled if he figured out a viable business involving deedbot/tips
ben_vulpes: just the tips?
asciilifeform: dice!!111
mircea_popescu: shinohai the good news being that the juggernaught of the republic doth daily advance, so eventually it'll come.
ben_vulpes: :D
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja know the romanian joke with the bloke putting in just the tip ?
shinohai: jejeje
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no, do tell
shinohai: s/tips/tits
ben_vulpes: "#trilema: just the tits"
mircea_popescu: hawt girly at that difficult age, kinda would like kinda dun wanna. guy proposes he puts in just the head.
mircea_popescu: she eventually agress, and he fucks the living daylights out of her.
mircea_popescu: after they come to, she's like "hey, i thought you were going to put in just the head ?"
mircea_popescu: "well there's no shoulders on dick, honey."
ben_vulpes: heh mhm
trinque: bwahaha
shinohai: xD
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've got NUMBERS!!! http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gZb24/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: why are they secret ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, figured someone would want surprise, but $3840/month 8kva and 2x10bps links
BingoBoingo: Located in Sao Paulo, Brazil
mircea_popescu: aha, bout same range as other one huh.
BingoBoingo: Number helpfully offered in USD to the Gringo
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: aite, you gonna pursue this ?
BingoBoingo: Roughly the same range, and Yeah, I don't see reason not too. Should have a bunch more numbers early next week.
mircea_popescu: same q as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726308
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 18:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja want an advance ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, one would be helpful. Still probing for other costs that might try to do the surprise sex thing on my butt.
shinohai: yay buttsex
BingoBoingo: This seems to be a good time for any Lords or L2's interested in homing a box to reach out.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hot on the advertising already
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well when making hardware shopping list gotta have idea what people want. Do people want beefy opteron things that'll have me on a 4th rack by Sunday or do they want PCengines boards by the dozen.

2017-10-19 | 2017-10-21