mircea_popescu: and here's a bit of an evolutionary biology mindbomb : since the ability to distinguish one's own sons from other's sons is positively selected in males, it is altogether probable males have developed the ability to recognize their own spawn as such.
mircea_popescu: soo... does the new baby LOOK TO YOU like it's yours ?
diana_coman: on Centos 6.8 (64bits) trying to read fg's output from ttyUSB0 with dd hangs on most occasions (erratically it will work but I haven't figured out when exactly); at the same time, a "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 " works perfectly fine <-- anybody knows what this is about?
diana_coman: I might add that I *did* run the stty command first ofc; AND reported settings afterwards seemed fine
diana_coman: to re-phrase the question then: does anyone know of any centos/dd-specific idea re flow control? very same tty setup works on ubuntu or xubuntu verified; to reiterate: ttyUSB0 IS set with stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok; anything else centos wants there specifically?
diana_coman: otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out what screen does exactly that it works, ugh
shinohai: In CentOS I think one has to pass -ixon or -ixoff to turn flow control on/off
diana_coman: shinohai, that seems to be a bit closer but not yet solved: added -ixoff and next run of dd went fine but then it was stuck again; turned on and off again and it was still just hanging so simply reset on that was not enough either; something is weird there
asciilifeform: entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG
asciilifeform: ( i expect that most purchasers throw away the usb cables )
diana_coman: did a stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a on a working machine and on this machine, flags are same except for hupcl vs -hupcl on centos and onlcr vs -onlcr on centos; and a -cdtrdsr on centos, not mentioned on the other
phf: diana_coman: you can also try ``cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200'' since that doesn't take over the terminal AND if it works, you should be able to paste ``strace cu...'' output from which we can figure out what system calls that thing did before touching the device
asciilifeform: phf: i suspect this will do 0, in buggy pl2303 driver i encountered, it's the bandwidth and flowcontrol setttings that didn't take. but other than that adapter behaves normally
phf: they are basically like flash drives, 50 different branded versions of the same 5 Chinese controllers, 3 of which report same signature but behave slightly different, the other two are bugged by the agencies
asciilifeform: afaik there is not a clean solution to this, other than to burn the pc nonsense to the ground
asciilifeform: i will not make rngs that DEMAND 2way protocol and usb micro ( with the rewritable firmware nonsense ACTIVE AT ALL TIMES , and 50MB pdf of liquishit spec with holes )
asciilifeform: and i will NOT make a rng that doesn't work with msdos box
asciilifeform: so it is and will forever be a serial device, compatible with e.g. data diode.
asciilifeform: who has a box that understands plain old circa 1960s rs232 -- can use fuckgoats
asciilifeform: it is pretty basic 'pons asinorum' of sane hardware.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I might be wrong on this but my current understanding is that it's my machine that has the *older* rather than the "required" newer driver
BingoBoingo: In other lol: "We don´t work with colocation solutions, it´s possible we work with hosting servers?"
asciilifeform: also i'm open to shipping something other than pl2303, if anyone has suggestions. ftdi is BANNED because 1) it costs 10x moar than pl2303 2) it is american/tw 3) it has rewritable fw that cannot be disabled
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Described self as datacenter
phf: прачечная хуячечная это министерство культуры
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 19:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
asciilifeform: again if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , or anybody else here, wants to suggest a replacement dongle -- i'm all ears. or better yet if we didn't even ship a dongle, every machine owner has responsibility to find some way to have a working serial port, it is not properly a problem in the scope of FG
mircea_popescu: local fucktards for instance explained to me "they can't receive wires from abroad." i'm like... so got any rostipollo then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform simmer down, what're you so irritable foar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the dongle thing is 99++% of the fg support mail to date
BingoBoingo: This seems to be a good time for any Lords or L2's interested in homing a box to reach out.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hot on the advertising already
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well when making hardware shopping list gotta have idea what people want. Do people want beefy opteron things that'll have me on a 4th rack by Sunday or do they want PCengines boards by the dozen.