asciilifeform: 'Gori Njujork, Pentagon se pali,/ Ameriko, dali su ti, dali. / Gori Njujork, Pentagon se ruši, / Krajišnici, vraćajmo se kući. / Šta će sada u Zаgrebu vlada, / Amerika na kolena pada...'
shinohai: I'll be back in a week when the vomiting, dizziness, and diarrhea subside.
asciilifeform: 'questions of a possible microwave or radio wave device .... If that were the case, the sounds wouldn’t show up on a recording' << and anyone should believe the clip is genuine article precisely why.
asciilifeform: sounds, btw, entirely not unlike 'microwaved' audio pickup .
ben_vulpes: so i'm fiddling with some source delivery pipeline, and i discover that some asshole has put executable code into his cl .asd files; which i suppose is fine in some circumstances, but i'm doing Terrible Things over here and the asd's aren't getting concatenated with everything else and so just to add another entry to my list of folks whose decisions have made my life harder i look this dude up and can ya
ben_vulpes: believe it he proudly writes ethereum shits now
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i am entirely unsurprised. the "scale bitcoin" shitheads + the "exciting blockchain technologee" shitheads + the "we are marketing" dogeheads are pretty much === the cancer that has eaten foss.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-12 20:52 mircea_popescu: trinque here's a thought : write me a branded single page "how to" somewhere, and ima modify the pay for your tits thing to only work with deedbot invoices. can then use it to push teh service, how's that sound ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i don't get it, i can make a plain light colorized image of an ultraviolet source, but i can't make a sound pattern of some microwave ? << AHA, like "traffic safety" radar
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm gonna post a tutorial on deedbot.org tonight, and also hook up the newb nick+key conveyor
mircea_popescu: trinque don't sweat it, she'll do it when i tell her to, what. tomorrow, monday, whatever.
mod6: i don't have a ton of coverage yet -- just mainly around the fz bitwise ops, fz_add, fz_mult, handfull of others.
mod6: im hoping to get some tests around the shifting procedures possibly today or this weekend. alf's latest changes from yesterday would fit into that as well.
mod6: i hope to glean some deeper understanding of the secret shifting from these tests as well.
mod6: im certain that even the tests that I do have are missing certain cases -- but its a starting point. and when I publish these, the hope is that people here can help fill in the gaps of the coverage so we can use this as a means to ensure that we do not regress as changes occur to the code.
mod6: again, these are unit tests, not functional, integration, or performance tests. meaning: i simply call a (so far public) procedure/function within ffa with specific parameters, and expect specific outputs.
mod6: once we have some solid unit tests in place, i'll look at some functional tests as a higher-level way to ensure we don't regress as well. but that's a bit later yet.
mod6: probably won't even start until we're closer to a finalized version of ffa.
asciilifeform: mod6: the key imho re a ffa tester, is that it gotta exist ~outside~ of ffa, and use a traditional, known-to-produce-correct-numberz ( and ideally, more than one ) arithm stack
asciilifeform: mod6: my current ( unpublished, quite yet, because it relies on details of 'p' ) item, uses python's
asciilifeform: mod6: current ffa has no problem building and running with 32bit word; but it will not do useful work in 8/16bit msdos, and this needs fix ( i described simple fix above. my priority atm tho is barrettron and practical rsa demo )
trinque: actually mircea_popescu's solution to forcing miners to hold all blocks could conceivably used to hire hosting for the archive from whoever has space. folks register with eg deedbot, must produce hash of all archived items at interval to receive a small bitcoin payout, flowing from subscribers to the archive service.
mod6: mircea_popescu: understood. it is more a learning process than anything at this point.
mircea_popescu: trinque entirely feasible but let's revisit in next year.
trinque: must also provide a web endpoint for the archive, etc
mircea_popescu: mod6 in any case don't completely abandon the trb-v castle, you're like our last guy there i fear
asciilifeform: trinque, mircea_popescu : this is actually a variation on an ancient and imho interesting theme, the 'aeternity service' or what was it called, early attempt at 'bitcoinism' and p2p warez combo, 'proof of storage'
mod6: ah yeah, i do have a rawtx on sitting here -- just needs testing. also, still have some makefile changes that are needing some testing/review. and further, want to put in some requested changes to import/dump priv key.
mircea_popescu: trinque one working model : all the nodes node 1 was connected to decided "it is spam", because they can do this now, so they didn't forward it but also didn't tell node 1. same did not hold for node 2.
mircea_popescu: typical sybilling, happens and has happened tons, which is why it's important to talk to many nodes for payment safety.
mircea_popescu: and EVEN IF maintaining a large (and, obviously, expensive) network of nodes etc, you can still run into surprises, as the bitbet issue very well illustrates.
trinque: mhm. node 1 sits on a domestic line; 2, commercial. I could see it
mircea_popescu: you'll end up with node lists, fingerprinting, mothership identification, the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: if you keep money and man-hours into this, you'll eventually reach that vaunted summit.
mod6: please do keep reporting such irregularities though.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, this node-sybil-pie entirely exists BECAUSE IT CAN exist. think in GT terms : at t1 it doesn't exist. at t2, player 1 figures out it could exist, whether it can or not, and takes defensive meansures. at t3, some bug in player1's implementation is exploited (consciously or accidentally) and now... it DOES exist.)
mircea_popescu: human problem of meta is that humans can think outside the box. they end up choking each other with the unintentional by-products of that thinking.
mircea_popescu: now THIS would be some interesting ecology, of the "keep the world safe for your children" kind.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724782 << I am more than willing to make required tweaks to get something like this working (allowing auctions to be denominated in btc as well as ecu, having lobbesbot spit out deedbot invoice, etc)
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 01:55 mircea_popescu: trinque can directly push lobbes 's bot into it, what more is needed ? we have all the parts.
lobbes: Also gotta figure out where auctions would happen. I'd imagine #t wouldn't be keen on the auctions taking place in this channel. Would be a lot of added noise.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 15:40 mircea_popescu: trinque one working model : all the nodes node 1 was connected to decided "it is spam", because they can do this now, so they didn't forward it but also didn't tell node 1. same did not hold for node 2.
mircea_popescu: basically the excel-powered secret agent strategy has become "try to disrupt bitcoin by creating fud on social media". which works to... disrupt usage by the usg's own muppets, the redditards, wikitards and assoerted other dust mongers ? which is somehow bad for bitcoin, or even noticeable or something ?
mircea_popescu: hey USG - take your useless sheep and drown them all for what anyone cares. seriously now.
mircea_popescu: this has apparently become a major psychological liability for the crowd, they imagine that since everything they ever encountered was safely behind bulletproof glass, that's "just how life is".
BingoBoingo: Looks like the Pinoys can't do it: "hello sir I'm sorry to inform you that it is not possible to met your requirement of 14Gigabits but our offer of 10mbps for 504 USD and we can upgrade that as your needs increase still stands." -jolo