davout: protip if one ever tries to order food there: ask what they have, don't waste your time trying to order fancy shit like "a burger", "a wrap" or any other nonsense
davout: usually ends up in their fucking fried noodles
mircea_popescu: now we understand how the pacific islanders invented what later came to be known as us sizes.
mircea_popescu: if i had to order out in this shithole i'd have shot someone. did i ever tell you about the "sushi ya!" order which showed up THREE HOURS later ? idiots were VERY surprised nobody's taking their bs.
mircea_popescu: anyway in other news it seems historical necessity is prevailing, trump is gonna forge an alliance with russia over everyone's objections.
mircea_popescu: "October 2015, scientists at the University of New South Wales announced the successful design of a single-atom qubit 3D silicon chip architecture, making significant progress toward building a full-scale, operational Quantum Computer."
mircea_popescu: "While the last two decades have seen unambiguous experimental progress developing the science of Quantum Computation, there has never been a feasible, physical architecture developed upon which to scale-up the actual Computer itself. Not until today. Further, the success of specifically a ~silicon~ chip architecture now ensures that existing manufacturing facilities and processes can be more-easily upgraded" (emphasis his).
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does this pass someone's filter ? so the dorks trying to push a scam decided the one thing that'd best improve the flavour of credibility would be spurious relation to existing practice, so now it's SILICON quantum computers, and you buy this, and even underline it of your own volition, as if it were a thing just because you wish it to be ?
mircea_popescu: silicone is used in electronics because of specific properties of its crystal lattice (it acts as a good substrate for dopants, resulting in nonlinear circuit elements). there's exactly nothing that recommends it over something like aerogel, or someone's stained tie, for the purpose of "quantum computing"
mircea_popescu: "From left to right Dr Matthew House, Sam Hile (seated), Scientia Professor Sven Rogge and Scientia Professor Michelle Simmons of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Quantum Computation and Communication Technology at UNSW. Credit: Deb Smith, UNSW Australia" << fucking imagine that.
mircea_popescu: "The great thing about this work, and architecture, is that it gives us an endpoint. We now know exactly what we need to do in the international race to get there." << the international race! endpoint!
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna bet the only time we'll ever hear of any of those involved is when either the youthful dorks finally obtain the coveted (if meaningless) SCIENTIA title, or else when the two older farmhand looking idiots finally get their scientia-cum-laurels-and-hitler's-own-dinerfork-buttplug certificates ?
mircea_popescu: "In the team's conceptual design, they have moved from a one-dimensional array of qubits, positioned along a single line, to a two-dimensional array, positioned on a plane that is far more tolerant to errors. This qubit layer is "sandwiched" in a three-dimensional architecture, between two layers of wires arranged in a grid."
mircea_popescu: this comes from phys.org by the way, if anyone was about to take that mfa seriously.
mircea_popescu: anyway, https://archive.is/0yq1G is the actual published item if anyone cares. tl;dr : dorks aware of which side bread is buttered created a silicone lattice with captive phosphorus on a plane, put wires on top and bottom and can now pump electrons into the so captured phosphorus. this DOES SOMETHING (tm).
mircea_popescu: principally what it does is that it requires intricate production and then to be kept < 0.001 kelvin and such wonders.
mircea_popescu: but jay b huwieler ain't got no time to read the fucking article he's linked the (horrible) summary of, nor to understand wtf maintaining a 2T field costs, or for that matter milikelvin temperatures. fuck that, "now ensures that existing manufacturing facilities and processes can be more-easily upgraded to mass-produce quantum computational devices (QCD), in turn ostensibly reducing the time-to-market estimate for enterprise
mircea_popescu: anyway, check him out, everyone wants his porn industry to be "the reliable bridge" between "pure STEM R&D" and "free market consumerism". everyone's a tindr, getting the weird shy boys in the slimy wet bed of expectant females, dontchakno. hurr durr an' a bottle o' dross.
mircea_popescu: "Currently, one mechanism the DoD has at its disposal domestically is Department of Homeland Security Presidential Directive 7 (protecting infrastructure deemed critical to National Security). If the most immediate application of QC is harvesting foreign government secrets by breaking intercepted data of its classical encryption then the QCD itself clearly falls under HSPD 7. Another option is that if QC were to be used with
mircea_popescu: AI to power unauthorized access against foreign state and non-state actors, then both code and design could be interpreted as defense items. Then it could fall under Title 50 of US Code, appear on the United States Munitions List, Category XVII (Classified Articles, Technical Data, and Defense Services Not Otherwise Enumerated) and therefore be subject the Arms Export Control Act. Once under DoD control those examples of QC c
mircea_popescu: ode, design, and technical datum would likely be further controlled by classification at the TOP SECRET level with some kind of Alternate Compensatory Control Measure specific to QC and QCW."
mircea_popescu: literally, mana from heaven is not a more contortedly i-read-penthouse-in-physics-class
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hold they are not, for the following reason : the nonsense of contained cold fusion rests on mechanical problems, ie, the plasma expands and therefore cools too fast. at least we have SOME TOOLS to do mechanical work with. like you know, a fulcrum. perhaps the plasma could be put in a fulcrum somehow ? or maybe with cogs ? dunno, should at least investigate.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the problem with quantum computing is in the fucking name. we have NO tools to do quantum work with. none. we've never heard of one existing, we can't conceive how one'd even work, if it did, which it doesn't, because it doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: we even have a multitude of strong statements of impossibility all converging towards a hearty "fuck you" located at the core of this concept
asciilifeform: NO tools << e.g., spin valve, exists. there's one in your hdd.
mircea_popescu: there isn't even a measuring tool ; we have nfi if any observed effect is even anything.
mircea_popescu: because no, excitation levels aren't "quantum" in the sense contemplated here.
asciilifeform: nobody invents alchemy when there 'are no tools.' alchemies happen when you got the tools, but not the knowing-wtf-you-are-doing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how exactly do you propose the spin valve is related to the "qubits" business ?
asciilifeform: it is as related as 12th century retort was related to turning lead to gold.
mircea_popescu: for the same money "we have" the process whereby glass can be rendered transparent or opaque through recrystalization
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to meaningfully discuss it in terms of time, but i am willing to bet anything that the leap between $current-situation and $quantum-computing is larger not just than the alchemy-to-cyclotron gap, but actually larger than all extant science.
mircea_popescu: it takes more cognition to go from pottery to desktop nrm than to go from desktop nrm to that sort of parallel computation.
asciilifeform: but politically the situation has an obscenely close resemblance to alchemy
asciilifeform: idiot rulers throwing $maxint at it, in hopes that somethig -- ANYTHING -- works
asciilifeform: and are quite content to fund random stabs in the dark, or even outright charlatans
mircea_popescu: in that sense i propose the MP Certainty, which says that it will NEVER happen. ie, at no point in the history of humanity will it be cheaper to break rsa through "quantum computing" than through electronic computing.
mircea_popescu: and this includes situations 100k years in the future where qc ie quantum communication is actually used. computing, not so much, for the ~same reasons.
asciilifeform: i'll point out, largely for n00bz, that we do not in fact know whether breaking rsa is hard.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re qc, bonus lulz for the huy-guy : so the chinese are trying to do it over satellites, because currently it's been demonstrated over much shorter distances. and the dod bright lightbulb (seriously, he is probably the smartest guy there, seeing how he has a blog) went "oh, this would allow safe key transfer, well tell you what, the army could DoS the system!"
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder, he's going to intervene in quantum field.
asciilifeform: btw magnetic tape really shines in otp-land. it costs a penny a GB, and you can trivially write two tapes identically with same head (plugged into rng naturally), AND -- bonus -- can destroy it immediately when it comes out of read head.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not discussing practical utility, merely that it makes sense from a technical perspective. unlike the other thing.
mircea_popescu: "Jump forward to 2030, give them the benefit, and assume that Beijing can securely distribute quantum encryption keys that cannot be broken. Can they guarantee that by 2030 their average Soldier will be any less susceptible to phishing attacks and wont click on links embedded in unsolicited emails?"
asciilifeform: (finishing touch on the otp subthread : the mega-virtue of steel wire vs magnetic tape, is that you can heat it to its curie point for rapid-zapping, without creating smoking, melted mess. so good emergency erase -- just put current through the spool.)
mircea_popescu: actually, some proper made flash tape would also work great
asciilifeform: ideal eraser is probably a 'belt and suspenders' approach, where the wire is pulled through neodymium magnet (with hand crank backup) but meanwhile a pancake magnet is lowered onto the spool (for rapid, though imperfect, erase, in case there is not time to wind the entire tape) and at the same time current is run through the steel wire, if a current source is available.
asciilifeform: or heat with chemical heater (as used in american army rations).
phf: hmm, i can't recall anyone doing it in the 90s. i think this is a uniquely american problem though, where you can't trust frame to hold the door in place. traditional solution is to simply put the door on welded frame inside a concrete hole, so you will need something better than a claymore to dislodge it
mircea_popescu: phf nah, the idea is you get exactly like current, "security door" except the half inch steel sheet is on the inside, then 3 claymores stacked, then a thin al profile on the outside facing. have a shock detector modeled on 90% of the kinetic delivery of the standard issue us invasion corps battering ram.
asciilifeform: iirc we had a thread here about ritual concessions to thieves, folx placing car keys where thief will find'em, etc
asciilifeform: unrelatedly: in re the metal lisp thread: http://picolisp.com/wiki/?PilOS << i could not get this to boot. but it is ~exactly what i had in mind (i'd much prefer that it be with a scheme, rather than a crackpot dynamically-scoped 1970s lisp, but the idea is illustrative)
asciilifeform: i have 3 versions of qemu here, all of'em end up with 'read error 9'.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.cs.york.ac.uk/fp/DrIFT/original/History.html >> 'You asked whether naming your software `Haskell Derive' would be satisfactory, and you explained your reasoning for wishing to adopt that name. We believe that we understand your reasoning, but the critical point is that including `Derive' as part of your software's name in *any* manner is not permissible. That fact is not
asciilifeform: changed by adding other words to `Derive', nor by your belief that the word `derive' is an accurate description, using the correct terminology, of the purpose of the software. In pursuit of your academic research project, please rename your software to avoid using `Derive' or any other word that might cause a reasonable likelihood of confusion with `Derive''
mircea_popescu: whatever the thing which goes "your money has no value here"
mircea_popescu: ie if i sold some btc to buy lm and relocate it to turkmenistan
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/j41JR >> 'A group of at least seven protesters, apparently with Greenpeace, are scaling a crane in downtown Washington DC in protest at US President Donald Trump. ... the protesters unfurled a 35ft by 75ft banner reading “Resist,” 270ft above the ground. '
asciilifeform: 'Yes, it was mainly for FetLife's and my protection, and we had to act swiftly. One could easily argue that we didn't move swift enough and that I shouldn't even make this post because something in it might incriminate FetLife or me.' << lel
asciilifeform: 'Historically we've sided more with individual members needs, but what we've learned from recent events is that we need to start putting more weight on the safety of the community, FetLife, and the team behind FetLife - including my personal safety.' << most cowards have at least the virtue of stfu-ing
asciilifeform: 'Let's say we move our servers to the newly formed country of Fetopia. The US, UK, Australia, Germany, etc. can still make it difficult for people within their countries' borders to access FetLife. I don't think we would do the community a favor by making FetLife harder to access.'
asciilifeform: 'Why haven't you embraced Bitcoin to get away from the restrictions of the banks / credit card companies? - We used to accept bitcoins through Coinbase. They dropped us a year ago because we are a kinky site. No joke.'
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606341 << optimization strategy is when you have a slow algorithm somewhere in your architecture (you put it there because it was a reasonable tradeoff at the point), but you can replace it with a faster algorithm without leaving too much damage on the architecture (alf calls it "scaring")
ben_vulpes: ugh mircea_popescu how do i find the qualia thread in your blog
phf: so if you have a system that you implemented fast, but it's slow, but you know how to now slowly make it fast, you have a strategy. if you're chasing corner cases, running a profiler and get mostly flat distribution, writing in special cases, etc. you don't have one
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 21:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606341 << optimization strategy is when you have a slow algorithm somewhere in your architecture (you put it there because it was a reasonable tradeoff at the point), but you can replace it with a faster algorithm without leaving too much damage on the architecture (alf calls it "scaring")
ben_vulpes: in which it is shown that xcode's "find occurences of string in project" ACTUALLY FUCKING DOES NOT
ben_vulpes: WHAT i ask you IS THE POINT of an ultra-heavy IDE that a) cannot tell me where the protocol breakage is during a refactor much less what to do about it b) has a project search SO MISERABLY BAD that a man must revert to grep in order to find ANYTHING