mircea_popescu: nobody trusts implicitly "or else". idiots trust implicitly because they objectively lack the capacity for anything else, so it's a strict "either trust implicitly or not at all" dilemma they face.
mircea_popescu: nobody buys an ipad because "otherwise they'll get shot by LAPD". they buy the ipad because "i am so fucking stupid, i literally can't tell the difference between this piece of shit and a working programmable machine".
mircea_popescu: in this context, "if you're going to trust implicitly, either trust the republic or it's the lime pits for you" is a direct continuation of "if you're going to believe in god, you'd better fucking believe i am that god", ie some minimal mental hygiene.
esthlos: aha. so no ultimate threat of violence is needed in slave mind; the knowledge of inadequacy is enough to drive the submission? and then violence works to direct the submission?
mircea_popescu: "risks to undercover agents", in every fucking manual/imperial discussion/whatever since the days of edgar hoover (who didn't permit it, btw, and for this reason) is specifically that exposure to violence renders slave incapable of "readjusting" to "normal" environment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this theory was , afaik, pretty much as tested as anything could ever be, and stood. consider how su turned to old toiletpaper just as soon as the last ww2-hardened folx retired from running it