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2017-10-21

BingoBoingo: Or I guess there's the finding a girl to marry route, but then I forfeit my dissident license.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: d'you want to talk to the guys i spoke to in hk?
ben_vulpes: i'd rather get back to profiling mpfhf than marketing a cabinet
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: THeir contact info wouldn't hurt. Anyways the trade off is warehousing the meat in Brazil is less expensive while starting a business in HK is a two hour online form. It still would not hurt at all to have a VulpesISP even with a BingoISP
BingoBoingo: Brb, sobertime
ben_vulpes: perhaps my estimates are bad but i'm also having trouble make the thing pencil out to not-a-flaming-hole-in-my-own-pocket
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes did you publish that anywehre ?
ben_vulpes: no, but i could type it up
ben_vulpes: would appreciate some more experienced eyes on it for sure
mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
mircea_popescu: hear heare
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727478 << other way around
a111: Logged on 2017-10-21 21:36 mircea_popescu: !!pay 0.1 hanbot
trinque: if the bot doesn't give an affirmative reply, it didn't do anything
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: trinque could this actually be changed to match the format of all others ? iirc it's amt dest for withdraw etc.
trinque: yeah, isn't uniform is it. I can change invoice and pay to match withdraw.
mircea_popescu: i think amt first is better, so yeah.
mircea_popescu: should i re-do this in the current format for now ?
trinque: yep if hanbot wanted me to send some txn tonight, better off. I might not find time to change the code this evening.
mircea_popescu: kk.
mircea_popescu: !!pay hanbot 0.1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eO8Hi/?raw=true
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727535 <<< Cheers mod6 ! [~]D
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 00:37 mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
mod6: Salud!
mircea_popescu: hanbot shoudl be done now
hanbot: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XUJkJ/?raw=true
hanbot: aha cool
shinohai: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cwrzc/?raw=true
shinohai: ghehehe
hanbot: !!withdraw .001896 1KvoD4BCQyQ9qJ6PrUgnqB8y28wcnULs7j
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8DqIr/?raw=true
mod6: this thing is pretty sweet huh
hanbot: !!v 5E10A5E30A1F746A48E73EC6E06074B08AC98BECF8D1E414DCD91BC0A954890A
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jbfg8/?raw=true
hanbot: trinque can put in the deedbot help html?
hanbot: the !!v i mean.
trinque: it's in there, not clear?
hanbot: Performs the previously requested command associated with the decrypted `otp`. << nah, actually, i think that's fine.
hanbot: dunno why i expected to have to use a different letter
hanbot: anyway, very cool itam.
hanbot: trinque that withdraw was a bitpay thingie with 3mins left on the clock fwiw.
trinque: hm, possible it didn't get there in time then. I just dispatched it.
trinque: I think I've told everyone by now that this is a by hand process. I dunno that I'd use it for that.
trinque: how long do they usually give you?
hanbot: 15 mins. anyway, they credited it, should be fine and dandy
trinque: 15min til they see the unconfirmed?
hanbot: 15 mins is what they give you "to pay" in their idiotic bleeping red timer interface. it "ran out" in this instance, but they still see the tx afterwards and credit it
trinque: super dumb.
hanbot: i don't know what the actual time threshold is tbh. clearly longer than 15 mins tho.
trinque: at any rate there'll before too long be a limited hot wallet on this thing people can subscribe to for automatic txn
trinque: just gonna take time
hanbot: neato, and greatly appreciated thus far.
shinohai: Heh, Dogecoin creator now advising new scam: https://synapse.ai/
deedbot: hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ylkAw/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: !~later tell mircea_popescu probably hare-brained in all sorts of ways, but this is the result of my pencilwork: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xyOoP/?raw=true
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo any thoughts on ^^?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/michelangelo-antonioni-ce-un-imbecille-che-non-hai-altro/ << Trilema - Michelangelo Antonioni c'e un imbecille che non hai altro.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727577 << can't imagine why they designed it this way, but ~everyone does, coinbase, mycellium, coin-something else.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 01:15 trinque: super dumb.
mircea_popescu: the god of magic numbers gave them the 900 second and they're sticking ot it!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a) you're not going to make money renting space as such. this wasn't even in the original design, i've nfi why you added it in.
mircea_popescu: b) you're not going to charge 1k/mo for any servers, don't be ridiculous. you're going to pay 500-2k to buy the server, and then rent it out for the usual 2x the fixed cost.
mircea_popescu: your 42 u full rack takes 40 boxes, optimized so they pull say 150-200 W on average. that'll keep you out of power overages 99% of the time.
mircea_popescu: they cost you about 50k to buy, and the rack will run you about 50k for a year. that means your yearly budget is about 100k, roughly.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1e5 / 40 / 12
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1e5 / 40 / 12 = 208.33333333333331
BingoBoingo: !!balance
mircea_popescu: your cost basis is ~200 per server. you can rent them for 3-400 as such, or can give out vpsen, which are more productive. perhaps even "shared" if particularily interested into it.
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zTdmb/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: these take more work, and consequently provide more revenue.
mircea_popescu: after the first year your machines are amortized and your downline built, so you're looking at some decent net margin. before the first year you're burdened by the capital costs and stuck with low occupancy, so you bleed cash.
mircea_popescu: that's ~the story.
mircea_popescu: what separates the men from the children is that one year, and whether at the end of it you're green or not.
mircea_popescu: and in other determined & disciplined ladies, http://78.media.tumblr.com/59e2abb30065155f37a61619912ee9f6/tumblr_nlpa1fx6kq1u65br0o1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they cost you about 50k to buy, and the rack will run you about 50k for a year. that means your yearly budget is about 100k, roughly. << This is roughly my impression. 50k colorent, 40-70k-ish hardware, 35-ish k physical presence so as to walk to servers, 2k birthing company, 5k retainers, 100k prudent reserve (In case of Best Korea, Intifada, meteor storm, Pelosi). Rent boxes out for ~2x cost basis (all in, not board so
BingoBoingo: PCENGINES APU not so cheap), VPS 3x+ cost basis. Misc weird (i.e. hand courier and colo 32 bit SPARC machine) billed in proportion to time they take from providing excellent customer service and 2x cost basis for livng space.
BingoBoingo: But this week is about refining that to more concrete figure.
BingoBoingo: But 25-30k/month by month 18 is goal
BingoBoingo: gross receipts
mircea_popescu: well it's good to have goals in any case.
BingoBoingo: Well goal more honest than US retail label of "plan"
BingoBoingo: Also it seems the deedbutt payment hasn't gone through yet.
mircea_popescu: ugh.
mircea_popescu: my bad, i had it wrong for both of you.
BingoBoingo: Not to address, but to deedbutt wallet
BingoBoingo: ah
mircea_popescu: !!pay BingoBoingo 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MbTb3/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: and in other unexpected news, http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion/2017/10/the-point-of-nuclear-weaponsfrom-a-uk-citizens-standpoint-2459684.html
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo done nao.
hanbot: Even the once unknown Mircea Popescu is now making waves with his blog. << lmfao, "it's not plagiarism if you throw a name in there entirely out of context!!1"
BingoBoingo: Ah, ty
BingoBoingo: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tJUgR/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: !!~ticker --market all
mod6: <+hanbot> Even the once unknown Mircea Popescu is now making waves with his blog. << lmfao, "it's not plagiarism if you throw a name in there entirely out of context!!1" << yeah, srsly.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, my impression of the business is that its like farming, except customer service is a thing.
BingoBoingo: Occasionally there's big moves, none bigger than starting out. Everything else is consistency at every size.
mircea_popescu: possibru.
asciilifeform waves from sunny orcistan
asciilifeform: so far mind blown with amazing phoodz for cost of old chewed tyre back in usgistan
asciilifeform: sads include the piles of ads in english everywhere
asciilifeform: omfg hotel has a SHOEHORN
asciilifeform: meanwhile, asciilifeform had best coffee since c3; for < cost of a toiletpaper in usa
asciilifeform: and, asciilifeform to pet : ‘look where yer going, or thou shalt surely fall into a pit’ pet: nya < then proceeds promptly to fall into small pit > argh
asciilifeform: just the sights alone in the town — pant-creaming ; esp the gurlz
BingoBoingo: !!Up nikopo1
deedbot: nikopo1 voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watch out for pits yourself. Also, how are the toilets?

2017-10-21