mircea_popescu: to be perfectly clear, girly wasn't impaired, she just spoke what it happens to be she had heard. not of within, but of without, which is the point.
mircea_popescu: if you teach your kid your second language the kid's gonna speak it with your accent, and if you teach them english they're gonna think english thoughts rather than "their" thoughts and so following.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, am i the only one fascinated by the history of dyes ?
Mocky: sounds like a bill murrray, dan aykroyd "don't cross the streams" item
mircea_popescu: but to continue http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841967 : it's also a red thread particularly productive through the hermeneutic method. "why did the greeks care about the columns" type of inquiries work quite well, "why did someone like say heinrich caro dedicate a decade of his life to turkish red ?"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 15:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only 1. history of dyes ~= history of chem industry, for ~century
mircea_popescu: one of course has to even learn wtf alizarin is, in the process. but then again that is the entire method.
mircea_popescu: "when you read a text and can distinguish the absurdities it contains from the actual sense, you may claim you have an anachronistic understanding of the matter ; but when you read the text and clearly see the ~necessity~ of the absurdities, their fundamentally-required-ness, and the circumstantialness of the sense, you may claim meaningful understanding of the item" as the witticism goes.
mircea_popescu: as it turns out, absurdity undergirths human thought, as a sort of rebar.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 14:03 mircea_popescu: imo nothing wrong with using english AS LONG AS ITS NOT A FIRST LANGUAGE.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 14:04 asciilifeform: as first lang, apparently it ~= lead poisoning
mircea_popescu: Mocky you could just as well take a woman or two and become mellifluous i mean multifluent.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might read into that, romanian also makes you fucking stupid. different kind, discussed at length on trilema though. divide & impera amirite, let the idiocy fight idiocy.
Mocky: so then "first langauge" less an issue than "only language"? so multi fluency
mircea_popescu: but in general, you want multiple languages for the exact reason you want multiple women, or shoes. howsoever comfortable, howsoever good, useful, proper, right, you name it, if you always use the same pair of shoes they'll become unseemly.
mircea_popescu: if you have $100, it's way better to buy two $40 pairs and a girl a drink than to blow the wad on a $100 pair of shoes.
Mocky: i can see that argument, but it completely sidesteps the "first language" claim
mircea_popescu: how do you explain most english speakers suffer from the turkish idiocy (or, manchuko idiocy, if you prefer), where they fail to learn other languages ?
mircea_popescu: italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 14:55 mircea_popescu: there's this joke in romania that "if you hear a hungarian speaking foreing languages you're looking at a jew".
mircea_popescu: tu quoque, have spent time and effort doing all sorts of things with your life, none of which are bad or wrong per se. yet it never occured to you "must learn language" in any effectual sense. this'd be a natural occurence though, wouldn't you say ? what disocurred it for you ? how come you went in all the rooms in the palace but one ?
mircea_popescu: ~that~ would be the "lead poisoning" rather than some sort of mystical, unexaminable, forever-opressive miasma. it's just the simple thing, "hey, axototl, no tail ?" "yeah... no iodine where i live..."
asciilifeform: ave1: i have nfi where e.g. 'line 47' is, all of your line #s are mangled
asciilifeform: i'ma guess it was re : inc dword [d_lba] , and it gets inc'd because it's the read position marker .
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841997 << the otherwise-invisible failure to implement anything even approaching intelligence augmentation (or even the statistical AI crap) is never so obvious as when translating works in other languages on the touchscreendevices: why does 'iBooks' waste all of this time animating between the french and english translations of the book i'm working on; how is there after
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 15:56 mircea_popescu: italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
ben_vulpes: all this time no auto-interlineated de toqueville; and on and on
ben_vulpes: turns out, absolutely no replacement for a large desk and several dictionaries
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the probable "cause" for there not being sane dict for living langs, you realise, is that there IS such a thing as a cannonical body of greek, but "who is to say what anglovomit does not make the cut".
mircea_popescu: an' i betcha it's because they "don't feel" it "fair" to ~exclude~ anything. rendering any count impossible. which is very much the point.
asciilifeform: 'not solved' is not quite it. sanding parquet is also 'solved problem' even with hands and sand paper. but i'd rather have electric cycler.
ben_vulpes: kids would rather sit around the table gabbling about whatever problems 0.00003% of the population have instead of sitting down and reading old shit about universals as what apply to 99.99% of the population
mircea_popescu: the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
ben_vulpes: 'haskellism' thread for those who mighta got something out of socrates.
asciilifeform: ave1: re a20 'ret' -- pretty sure i nuked it when was cutting irrelevant cruft off the thing for orig publication
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 16:38 mircea_popescu: the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
asciilifeform: i never wrote ave1-style article re subj, cuz depressingly loathesome crud, approx as interesting as ms winblowz api
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
asciilifeform: i've nfi why anybody with actual moneys would think of moving to 'five eyes' nz tho.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, lots of places have similar deals. The point is all those silicon valley pantsuits who thought they had an out. Waiting for their paper to carry them across the Pacific so they could retire to Pokemon Go and hobbit fucking in New Zealand, except... The window closed on them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they'll have to shell out a mil or so for new passport, so what.
asciilifeform: you'll find rusted tubs on the road that look like they belong in havana, owner changes hydraulic oil ~daily, but keeps the thing going , if he can't make rent he'll live in the tub, not having the tub is not option if you like eating
asciilifeform: there's a reason, i guess, why eu passport is 800k.
ben_vulpes: and while the uncleals are convinced it'll be highway maintenance that blows a crater in the usg budget, i have high hopes that the heavy metal poisoning from 'vape pen' use will eclipse it by a few orders of magnitude
mircea_popescu: afaik it's not even a "is x". if you're willing to spend some dough, like, buy a house or something, you can have it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno where this worx, in current ro is catch22
mircea_popescu: you register company, you have company receive some dough, which it can use however it pleases, such as buying you a dozen cars or a piece of real estate or w/e, then you use that for right of stay and eventually passport.
ben_vulpes: haw someone just sent me an ad for a nylon "posture brace"; not that a brace is going to do anything for the lump of muscle developing at the base of millenial skulls from supporting their heads at a thirty-degree angle all day
ben_vulpes: the problem isn't your /posture/, kids, it's your /lifestyle/
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't actually know of this deformity
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you saw 'popeye' character, you've seen it
asciilifeform: ( picture d00d, thin as a matchstick, but 50kg top half )