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2019-3-24

asciilifeform: oh hrm loox like BingoBoingo already linked.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-24#1904623 << on paper same in all of reich academitardia; but mit is specifically famous for enforcing the 'you dun own yer face' thing. it's how the bolix story came to be, for instance.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-24 23:23 mircea_popescu: and no, oif course he doesn't "own rights". that's both why you're supposed to make y0our own blog, rather than rely on some usg.scammer platform (be it called "facebook" or "mit", it makes exactly no difference, all the products of socialism are the same product).
asciilifeform: seems like 'respectable academics'(tm)(r) will put up with just about any diameter of spiked anal road cone tho, considering that they put up with 'pay elsevier page fees and in exchange they own 100% rights to errything you printed' etc
asciilifeform: when patient dun seem to even blink from cone insertion , the natural response is to give him bigger cone. i fully expect the process will continue in this vein
asciilifeform: e.g. at some pt they will hit on the idea of retro-reassigning publication credits to a properly orthodox http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ when a prof is defrocked, say.
asciilifeform: or hell knows what else similar.
asciilifeform: it's imho small step from the current state of art ,
asciilifeform: !#s mit phuctor
a111: 5 results for "mit phuctor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mit%20phuctor
asciilifeform: ^ e.g.
asciilifeform goes back to writing test cases set for ch18
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in argentine lulz : asciilifeform notices rubber leg from lappy loose on desk. thinks 'could've sworn i glued this one last mo'. grabs tube of cyanoacrylate, same as with which. then notices 'industria argentina' on tube, turns out it's the 1 bought in BingoBoingostan! i had nfi it was physically possible to fuck up even ~this~...
billymg: hanbot, mircea_popescu, anyone else interested: i just finished deploying the latest mp-wp patch to my site and published the files here http://billymg.com/mp-wp-vtree/
billymg: the patch removes tinymce, most of the importers, and some unused plugins -- overall reduction of about 15% in lines of code and close to 20% in size on disk (since some of the files removed were minified files containing only one line)
billymg: will put together a post about it too but i'll have to get to that later this week
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/ << The Whet -- MP-WP Patch for Enabling HTML Comments
phf: hanbot, billymg i've refreshed the patches http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, o yeah. imagine that! sovok cyanoacrylate, aka aracet (polyvinyl acetate, elmer;s glue).
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= << keks they ended up diverged. normally i'd ask hanbot to regrind, except this is a large patch that needs some reading, so would you mind regrinding it on top of hers billymg ?
mircea_popescu: and need i say it is SUCH A FUCKING PLEASURE to read vpatchs.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how anyone continues on the old style. it's like.... jesus. it's inconceivable.
mircea_popescu: phf, why does http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_remove-tinymce-and-other-crud not look the same as http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_html-comments-enabled ? i want ?inlinep=true FOREVAR!!!!
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit if it makes 50mb pages. for THIS, and i know of no other use (perhaps "full list of comments on blog article"), any length is legitimate use of the mbs.
billymg: mircea_popescu: sure thing, i'll update to have it patched on top of hanbot's latest
mircea_popescu: ty.
mircea_popescu: phf, and since i'm doing whining : can there be an alternate mode where lines are always interleaved, like in [http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_update-image-references-to-svg][this beauty] ? eg, http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs#selection-5661.0-5158.160 and http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs#selection-5335.0-5158.58 needn't appear that far apart (leaving asi
mircea_popescu: de how they needn't appear at all, item wasn't changed -- is it specifically because of whitespace ? because honestly, one extra tab shouldn't produce a "new line of code".).
mircea_popescu: * chonkin (~katyab@c-75-67-100-34.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has left #trilema << keks, too much is too much after all ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the neverending lulz : russia is gonna help venezuela nao.
mircea_popescu: must suck to be pantsuit/usgistani true believer these days.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904648 << i still buy good old pva. there's afaik no substitute for it for paper (i.e. b00kz)
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 12:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, o yeah. imagine that! sovok cyanoacrylate, aka aracet (polyvinyl acetate, elmer;s glue).
mircea_popescu: yes, but as such.
asciilifeform: fwiw the argentine tube contains sumthing visually resembling actual cyanoacrylate. it's simply defective in some subtle way.
mircea_popescu: bleached pva!!!
asciilifeform: prolly in fact diluted.
mircea_popescu: i suspect working solvent more expensive than the solute in this case lol
asciilifeform: i also thought this.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904657 << the classic diff algo, sadly , sees whitespace as 'changed line' (not even sure this is wrong, even, in some sadlangs whitespace is significant) .
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 12:44 mircea_popescu: de how they needn't appear at all, item wasn't changed -- is it specifically because of whitespace ? because honestly, one extra tab shouldn't produce a "new line of code".).
asciilifeform: also produces gargantuan patches if you simply move routines , this is a perennial headache to asciilifeform
asciilifeform brb,teatime
mircea_popescu: i'd like this narrowed if not entirely solved.
nicoleci: hey mircea_popescu, i can do your http://trilema.com/2019/get-lost-dumbo/ horror stories one better: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LInbA/?raw=true
nicoleci: the tales from the underircrypts continue!!!
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: dork's romanian, too.
nicoleci: oh, there's all sorts. * You have been kicked from #sexe by Aquavelva (Banni: Tu es sur un canal shitlisté ici)
mircea_popescu: keks
nicoleci: but in fairness, also a lot of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0gpZW/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: dude, check that shit out. a) romanian is the 2nd language, after pinoy english ? b) hardcore dude, PopaIonel.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-truebeliever-socialist/ << Trilema -- The Truebeliever Socialist
mircea_popescu: nicoleci, what network is that, anyway ?
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, undernet
mircea_popescu: who was talking to networks besides mod6 btw ? did undernet say anything ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904673 << asciilifeform several times tried his hand at 'what if nonclassical diff', these are in the logs. but mircea_popescu barfed, and i dun even disagree, thus far nobody's thought of a moar human-readable diffism than the traditional one
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 14:38 mircea_popescu: i'd like this narrowed if not entirely solved.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. say you want to compactly represent moves of blocks of text. nao you need... a stack ? etc )
asciilifeform: shitlisté << lol!
asciilifeform: re diffs -- it ~is~ possible to make a 'any small change WILL result in a small diffism' diff algo. but, i suspect , not possible to make it naked-eye readable. and, conversely, naked-eye readable diff is , i suspect, necessarily ~same as the classical.
asciilifeform: ( 1 of the old thrds, for ref, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596596 )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 00:29 asciilifeform: so, one possible diff might be : \4\i'm \+15\quite certainly \80\not fucking learning an aminoacid matrix to be able to use diff i tell you that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ok, but leading whitespace ?
mircea_popescu: caqn you even give example of lang besides bash where this matters ?
asciilifeform: leading whitespace is syntactic in e.g. python
mircea_popescu: meh
asciilifeform: ( and lol, cobol, fortran77, etc )
hanbot: mircea_popescu, so wait, are you saying that the "black people & crime" thing is purely an internal debate of socialism, pitting the pantsuit against the [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718541][more progressive] TS faction in the attempt to establish "which parts of ideal socialism relate to me more"?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 00:40 mircea_popescu: in a sense, the "fascists" are more progressive than the "progressive"
mircea_popescu: that;s exactly what i'm saying.
mircea_popescu: moreover, check out the similar pattern of reaction to alterity : someone's unimpressed with this "marx" symbol ? must be immaturity! because the only 0-cost explanation of difference would be... "the different hasn't yet matured into us". anything else, profoundly threatening to the narc^Hsocialist.
mircea_popescu: 0-cost folk are 0-cost folk, what can you do.
hanbot: and here i'd've thought self-explanation, assembly, noisemaking etc carried *some* cost.
mircea_popescu: socialist accounting of costs is a thing of wonder. obviously no such thing as 0-cost exists in nature, but they're ideal sorta folk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, even IF in fact whitespace is meaningful, i still want the lines interlaced rather than chunked blocks i have to scroll up and down for.
asciilifeform: aha. would require a sub-line difftron tho, as i understand.
mircea_popescu: i can't readily say what it is i actually want algorithmically, which is why i'm not even certain it can be had. but the scrolling hurts my precious inner child.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, it's not even coincidental that the pantsuit used "ts" as in trans-sexualism to liberate themselves from the traditional ("reds") socialist mindset and erupt like puss from a scab.
mircea_popescu: because, specifically, reds have a lot more trouble dealing with alterity than blues. the blue has little trouble with alterity because they're mostly mentally retarded, no strong notions of self.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that to guarantee pleasant-to-read diff, one has to specifically write proggy in certain style, and that the problem aint otherwise solvable in the general case
mircea_popescu: in a sense, the children have taken over the insane asylum -- to anyone outside they make just as good mental patients as the older ones ; but inside they move quicker and are more vivacious, which are natural advantages.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this may even be, but i'd rather unearth the style than not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who are in this context 'reds' and 'blues' ? ( presumably not the 2 usg armies mircea_popescu earlier argued have long ago merged into 1 ? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well, in immediate context, the fellow from yest, preoccupied with "violent crime". in general, "republicans" up to 1980s or so.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the scab cracked ~synchronously with $america-ended
mircea_popescu: the guys to whom assange attempted to leak, basically. the "public opinion", whatever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'preoccupation with crimes' also comes in diff. variants. consider e.g. lafonde, vs the typical ameri-suburbanite who has never so much as personally seen a homo-lafondicus with naked eye but nevertheless fixated , etc
mircea_popescu: fair enough.
mircea_popescu: how do you say "burghezo-mosieresc" in ru ? term as in "Despre politica externă antinațională a guvernelor burghezo-moșierești din România, în timpul politicii imperialiste de așa-zisă 'neintervenție' "
mircea_popescu: that was lenin's identification of the reds in his own party.
asciilifeform: буржуй lol
asciilifeform: ( muchly corrupted vs. the orig., but iconic term )
mircea_popescu: what, no composed term ?!
mircea_popescu: town-and-country-propertyowners or somesuch. bourgeois-and-landholder
asciilifeform: буржуазно-помещичья , i suppose. but pretty strong aura of 'limba de lemn' there
asciilifeform: the archaetypical red army fella , beating up the designated kulak, will say simply буржуй .
mircea_popescu: yeah, is what i was going for.
asciilifeform: oblig : 'Всіх панів до ’дної ями, Буржуїв за буржуями Будем, будем бить! Будем, будем бить!'(tm)(r)(pavlo tichina)(ukr)
asciilifeform: ( ~= 'all the landlords down one hole, burzhuy by burzhuy, we will, we will beat, we will, we will beat' )
hanbot: meanwhile billymg phf mircea_popescu et al my patch from last night needed a reground, sorry for the pain in the ass. http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/
hanbot: nope, fuck me, still broken. i'm going to have to regrind again, meanwhile i have meattasks in town. this'll be done today.
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot
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feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/usg-leveraging-discord-in-the-home-to-disarm-americans-illinois-moving-ammo-serialization-bill-through-legislature/ << Qntra -- USG Leveraging Discord In The Home To Disarm Americans, Illinois Moving Ammo Serialization Bill Through Legislature
BingoBoingo: ^ 500 counts of Class A Misdemeanor could be yours for the low price of 19.59 USD and presence in Illinois after January 1st, 2020
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc california had this prior
asciilifeform: ( they're the beta test lab for erry possible usgidjicy afaik )
BingoBoingo: Nope, not even California
BingoBoingo: California's derp is the gun stamps the case with gun's number
BingoBoingo: This is for the ammo to be in illinois, maker has to serialize bullets plus + 0.005 USD tax per bullet so Illinois can bungle a tracking system
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904634
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 00:55 asciilifeform: when patient dun seem to even blink from cone insertion , the natural response is to give him bigger cone. i fully expect the process will continue in this vein
asciilifeform: ( why not $1M tax ? )
asciilifeform: $1B!!!
BingoBoingo: Rather big leap in cone sizes
asciilifeform: it was how 'war on drugs' kicked off, 'tax stamp' on opium, where 'tax' was $maxint
asciilifeform: originally the talmud^H^H^H^Hlegalism required this 'hack'
BingoBoingo: Well not max int. Big int that would now be fairly small int because inflation and debasement.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was maxint in that usg wouldn't actually sell the tax stamp anywhere
asciilifeform: ( in early 1900s, there was a fiction that fed gov 'only has power to tax', and so ban was dresses as a 'tax' )
BingoBoingo: Well, Lincoln and Seward already happened. Place already on going to shit course.

2019-3-24