mod6: I just noticed an error in my notes I sent out, I had listed in there $8600 as the price point for August, that's a fat-finger, it's really $8200.00 will send out a correction tomorrow probably, with some addtional notes.
BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes for your tenacity in chasing these stray drives
ben_vulpes: refund has gained another few hundred dollars, but not yet the balance of a new shipment
adlai: at the risk of sounding like a lightly-chipped (for the broken don't spin too good) record: i'd be glad to rent the new rockchip. i promise this time to think before i type, and not play the shitty music too loud.
ben_vulpes: hey mod6, refund has processed. i read in #t that you don't want two shipments in flight at the same time, right?
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent 3 days, 8 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to give mircea_popescu & asciilifeform a quote for getting 5 10TB mech disks of reasonable quality to BingoBoingostan
ben_vulpes: doing the rest of the statementwork now
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'm holding off on pulling the trigger on another batch of ssds, so i'm sitting on some 1500 USD of amazoncredit for pizarro
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for posting the July statement
mod6: <@ben_vulpes> hey mod6, refund has processed. i read in #t that you don't want two shipments in flight at the same time, right? << I basically meant from BingoBoingo.
mod6: I was thinking that once we have confirmation that we can actually receive these items in .uy, we'd go ahead and start ordering them back to back - but not before.
mod6: However, with asciilifeform and S.NSA, I think they want you to get a price quote together for 5 10Tb spinning disks and shipment to .uy.
mod6: So, go ahead and do that when you have a chance, and I think we'll try to do that.
mod6: (But meanwhile, we won't try to buy/ship any more SSDs until BingoBoingo's order is delivered.)
mod6: Let us know how it goes, and feel free to ask as many questions about the model or whatever that you may need while producing the quote.
BingoBoingo: Well, what are the 10TB options? We might as well pick our 4 favorite disks and stick to them (1. SSD 2. HDD 3. Rockchip USB 4. Rockchip SD)
BingoBoingo: All of them seem to be settled except for the mechanical
ben_vulpes: i can make a quote, but i'd prefer asciilifeform spec the hardware
ben_vulpes: can even run down several variants for cost comparison, i just have nfi in re which hardware doesn't suck
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'ma get back to you re subj. ( disks gotta work with raid , and my understanding is that some of the current cheapola, doesn't )
mod6: asciilifeform: when you get around to it, maybe try to get us a cost estimate on a box with same physical configuration as UY3.
mod6: Was thinking we should get some more rentable envs, and some additional hot-spares.
mod6: one thing I wanted to bring up a bit is the discussion surrounding depreciation of items.
mod6: we could do like jurov was suggesting and just do this once per year.
mod6: however, some of these items have already been deprecated for some fraction of a year already. perhaps, new items that are to be depreciated are done so on a yearly basis, and the ones that already are being depreciated, continue doing so in their current fashion. just to make things easier.
ben_vulpes: at that point there are a minor number of hoops to jump through with the wp installation itself where it makes tables and populates them all appropriately. BingoBoingo knows how to drive it home.
mod6: cool. BingoBoingo if you're gonna do this one, it'd be awesome to document the wpmp steps that you take to get the thing deployted and in place for $user, so we can add it somewhere to be referenced at a later date.
mod6: Or I'm open to doing it, if you want to kinda help me through it. Let me know what's easiest.
ben_vulpes: mod6: .003 btc/mo is the classic l2 account with no restrictions aside from "don't abuse storage". it's been superseded by the "hosted shell" and "hosted shell plus" plans, and the add-on storage fee
ben_vulpes: any of the shell accounts can set up whatever they want, run whatever processes they want including websites, and should they desire those websites be served to the outside world, they gotta coordinate with pizarro hands to get the UY1 apache to proxy requests to wherever whatever proc they have is running
mod6: I'd have to double check, but my guess is that yea, for June and July he paid that rate.
mod6: August same thing, although that one is still outstanding.
ben_vulpes: ah, yeah, colo shouldn't have any shared hosting references on it anyways
ben_vulpes: no, those folks signed up for 0.003/mo, they can remain on those plans
ben_vulpes: we're talking fives of dollars here, it doesn't matter to me. do whatever.
ben_vulpes: and i don't think we need a "MPWP" plan, anyone can install mpwp on a shared shell and get it wired into apache
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i think that was originally conceived as a heathen-appeal automagic
mod6: ok, so it sounds like we're saying that the 0.002 price break is what we're going to go with, and that the 0.003 should be removed from our pricing altogether. Correct? asciilifeform BingoBoingo ben_vulpes
mod6: And that's fine with me, just need confirmation that's what we're going with.
mod6: A shell on the flagship UY1, as described here. Comes with PHP hosting with Apache, a MySQL database of your very own, and limited support. Requests to domains of your choice proxied to http dirs of your choice.
mod6: 0.003 BTC/mo. Price may change to reflect changes in the underlying exchange rate; wouldn't do at all to bill 250 or 2.5 dollar equivalents for a service priced around 25.
BingoBoingo: Well, were the transactions settled before the tiered offer went into effect
mod6: Yeah, that's what the word is. I'm thinking that everyone should get something out of this. I don't want people to feel like they got the shaft because they paid up for an extended period and then we changed our pricing.
mod6: Let me count up the customers who would get some hosting time added to their contract, free of charge:
trinque: k, so what's the 0.003 get me, or is ben_vulpes just neenering me
BingoBoingo: trinque: mod6 is doing math right now, overpayments can be credited as a prepayment for service
trinque: nbd, was just prodding ben_vulpes for his logic
BingoBoingo: Or if you need more than 10 GB of space on the shared machine that's different math
trinque: naw, need to go outside more for that many pics.
mod6: trinque: BingoBoingo has it. If the board agrees on the re-imbursments for over-payment for the four customers in question, then I'll be calculating the amounts and sending pgp-grams to the customers directly.
mod6: I won't be able to finish all of that up tonight, but rest assured, we'll be communicating the information to you.
asciilifeform: do say what port you need it on, so other users know it is taken
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E4B5O/?raw=true << asciilifeform ben_vulpes BingoBoingo : Alright, I know it's a long one on this notes section. Please look it over, let me know what you think. The ledger and sent-invoices are also up to date.
ben_vulpes: mod6: getting everyone on the same plan is fine, consider crediting their accounts for previous overpayments instead of refunding.
mod6: ben_vulpes: spot on. That's what I'm hoping for, credit account / extend contract expiry dates by some amount. ^
ben_vulpes: most possibly aboveboard and customer-serving thing to do would be to look at the release date of that price sheet (it should be in mp-wp) and then multiply the number of months between now and then by 0.0005, and credit accounts to that tune.
ben_vulpes: sorry, 0.001, as i assume the notion is to move all previous l2 accounts to the shell+ account grade
mod6: Now, in the end of may, two months later, we dropped the price down to 0.002 BTC/mo for all clients.
mod6: They would be owed not only the 0.001 per month for months since May, which we agree is three months (June, July, and August); but also for forward months that they have overpaid.
mod6: In the case of Client Q, they should be credited 0.001 for each of the following months: June, July, August, September, October, Novmeber, December, January, February, and March. Bringing the total amount to be credited up to 0.01 BTC.
mod6: Basically, 5 full months of "Hosted Shell Plus" extended onto the end of their current contract expiry.
mod6: (5 months because 0.01 / 0.002 per month of "Hosted Shell Plus")
ben_vulpes: on one hand, that's a contract for services at an agreed-upon price for an agreed-upon duration. from the most customer-serving perspective however, we could easily extend the purchased service term to account for the delta.
ben_vulpes: stretching for precedent here, but it's not as though earlier MPEx accounts were charged the delta when the account price went up.
mod6: This is a point. Thanks for your input, I'm just trying to find the most fair thing to do here for the clients.
mod6: In the sense of MPEx, clients were rewarded for signing up early, and prices continued to go up. (The beta program was free!)
mod6: Conversely, in the case of these Pizarro clients, they'd be getting punished for signing up early and paying for a long dated contract up front.
mod6: asciilifeform: thoughts on the above? how do we resolve this.
mod6: Perhaps the best way to not set a terrible precedent such as rewriting past contracts when pricing changes, and to still compensate clients for the mix up since May, is to do what we talked about upstack: Compensation for 3 months (June, July, August) for those with long term contracts.
mod6: This would amount to 1.5 months for three individuals, and 1 month for one individual.