BingoBoingo: Ah, wider than any I am using. The scheme I use is a proportional main area to side bar with a minimal width for the sidebar. It uses CSS floats and if the sidebar doesn't get its minimal width it fails to the bottom of the page. This is my first time really hammering mp-wp.
BingoBoingo: I have replaced that with a rule that seems to not banish the sidebar.
asciilifeform: shinohai: let ben_vulpes know the dimensions of the boxen ( in particular, height ) , and the max power draw ; he will make a quote. then if you are satisfied with the price, can arrange them to ride in the next transport container ( probably -- mine )
asciilifeform: shinohai: to estimate cost of the latter, weigh the machines (together with disks and any external dc power supplies needed)
asciilifeform: shinohai: if i remember correctly the size and shape of macmini -- you will also need to either bring a rack shelf, for them, or purchase on site ( will cost fiddybux or so, iirc, and you will need to walk to the outskirts of the city with BingoBoingo to get to the 1 working shop )
shinohai: my idea was to put bsd on them and use 'em as webservers
asciilifeform: i assume these are vintage macminis ( why wouldja pay the apple tax for new units just to get x86 boxen )
shinohai: yeah they are the older 40GB ones I think. A friend of mine found them as office surplus somewhere
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> shinohai: if i remember correctly the size and shape of macmini -- you will also need to either bring a rack shelf, for them, or purchase on site ( will cost fiddybux or so, iirc, and you will need to walk to the outskirts of the city with BingoBoingo to get to the 1 working shop ) << Not to the outskirts. To the more central city center
trinque: shinohai: you know, I don't want to clutter #pizarro's logs here, but I think a prideful rejection of republican processes doesn't serve you, and might squander valuable relationships down the way.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform would luvv to have shinohai as a customer. but he would have to resolve whatever disagreements he has with current l1 folx.
asciilifeform: the sad thing is that it isn't even clear what the disagreement is about. as far as i can tell, the enmity was simply from mutual exchange of insults.
trinque: lords worth their salt exchange those on any given tuesday
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the sad thing is that it isn't even clear what the disagreement is about. as far as i can tell, the enmity was simply from mutual exchange of insults. << If shinohai wants to colo, and especially if he wants to make the trip to Uruguay (and maybe courier some spare parts for Pizarro)... I would hope the issue of the "bad feels" rating could be resolved in the forum.
BingoBoingo: The point where L2 Republicans with productive history get blocked from purchasing Pizarro services over a Lordly negrating, and where efforts at resolution suggest the only problem is skin insufficiently resistant for Lordly responsibility... is the sort of situation where I would consider deploying my own power to negrate.
BingoBoingo: This case is awfully early for that, or ruling out shinohai as a customer.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> "airbnb" probably instead of "airbnd" ? << error, but I am tempted to let it live for the mispelling SEO
lobbes: (btw, for other sales folx in the audience: I'm finding many of the webforums have a week waiting period with a "n amount of fluff posts" requirement before posting in the advertising sections)
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820300 <<< Even if this were resolved, I have pretty much decided Pizarro wouldn't meet my current needs or risk profile, if at anytime after posession of my BTC and equipment one of the lords might LARP about and negrate me.
shinohai: Then I am out the invested coin, and left finding another $HOME for equipment, so this model does no better for me than the empire. I do thank you for entertaining my query, and wish you all good luck.
ben_vulpes: colo is a favor done for close wotmates, so the whole thread is moot. bon chance shinohai.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I could try to vectorize one (i.e. trace over a beachdick.jpg in InkScape and export as a .svg)
lobbes: but yeah, I guess low priority over the rest of the items in hopper
lobbes: my current items (running in-parallel when meatworld allows) are 1) enumerating web hosting forum landscape, and 2) getting the workings of portage through my thick skull so I can migrate my mp-wp so as to bake blog posts on my enumerations of 1)
ben_vulpes: lobbes: what do you need a hand with on the portage front?
lobbes: I've got apache, php5.6 (ty BingoBoingo), and mysql all emerged. My issue is getting the php module for mysql working
lobbes: for some reason, no matter how I set the USE flags to include all the mysql flags I've researched, "emerge php" will not emerge the mysql extension
lobbes: my guess is that I'm missing something obvious, perhaps there was an error that I ignored when emerging that I should not have, etc.
lobbes: only solution is for me to keep digging I reckon
lobbes: it brings in mysqli no problem, but no mysql. I've followed esthlos' guide, but no dice. Of course he was using amd64 and not arm64, so perhaps there is something my inexperienced eye is missing
ben_vulpes: what do you have in /etc/portage/package.use/$whereyoukeepphpflags
lobbes: and ty in general for reading. Dumb q, but there is no harm in having the same use flags set in both make.conf and package.use is there? I wondered if this may be causing problems, but the gentoo manual gave me the impression it would just be merely redundant
mod6: BingoBoingo: can you do me a favor? The next time that you go to the DC (are you going this week?) can you see if there are two power-supplies in the rack? They would have been left there from ben's trip, they're probably 717 Watt each, or they could be 515 Watt possibly.
mod6: These are to be backup power-supplies for the Foundation's server down there.
BingoBoingo: 35 square meters for 16500 pesos (~530 USD at present) monthly (rent + gastos communes) is the sweet spot before either risks climb or rents climb (new construction with bedrooms are just now in the construction pipeline and the ones in buildings that aren't structurally iffy tend to be hot potato airbnb bait)
BigTexasBingo: Anyways distance to the cabinet and separation from the idle are the big limiting factors on the search aside from seasonal market movements
mod6: one of these days i gotta figure out how to get the USB cable drivers installed for the ISE from Xilinx
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm not even certain that i could repeat the feat today, lol. ( i set mine up some time in 2010 and it's been untouched ever since... )
mod6: yeah, the pain level is high; hopefully it'll be a set-it-and-forget-it deal.
hanbot: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-6#369906 << say, i dunno if this is relevant or useful, but on the offchance: i rented 40m2, furnished (all furniture, waterheater, a/c, etc), studio in bsas ~100m from the obelisk (ie central as central gets) for $500, incl. utils and weekly maid, doorman service, etc...3.5 yrs ago, just about.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-05 23:15 BingoBoingo: 35 square meters for 16500 pesos (~530 USD at present) monthly (rent + gastos communes) is the sweet spot before either risks climb or rents climb (new construction with bedrooms are just now in the construction pipeline and the ones in buildings that aren't structurally iffy tend to be hot potato airbnb bait)
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: check this out ^ any sweet deals like this in town? << I wish. Closest I spotted was in Buceo 18,000 pesos monthly plus common costs for a smaller unit without a balcony.
BingoBoingo: In the more central parts of the city: Tres Cruces, Centro, Ciudad Vieja etc... "pensions" dominate the immigrant housing market. In that direction purchase price of units goes down, but rents don't really go down.
BingoBoingo: Just about everything in Buenos Aires costs less than in Montevideo
mod6: Ah, alright was worth the ask. hanbot sounds like she got "the works" for pretty cheap.
BingoBoingo: People here treat real estate like lottery tickets. Next summer just *might* be the summer Their apartment is the hot Airbnb place, etc
mod6: Sounds like a lot of these units have their "whole families" living in them, etc, and therefore might be rather illiquid. Is there opportunity to low-ball them on pricing, or to make a counter-offer?
mod6: Or is it pretty much "what you see is what you get"?
BingoBoingo: Efforts at hard negotiation are undermined by the Uruguayo faith that... If only they just wait long enough someday they will get to be the star of the movie. Just because the Uruguayos aren't Catholic Latinos doesn't mean they don't have a religion
shinohai: turns out the guy is BCash evangelist also, after examination of his twatter timeline
lobbes: Update on my sales progress for the Pizarro folx: Slow going the last week. Between saecular $job and managing my auction biz in #eulora my bandwidth has been saturated. However I plan to spend time this weekend on a fluff campaign to get to the point where I can start pumping out regular Pizarro bumps on various forums
lobbes: I'll post the list of forums I've established a user on tonight. (around 10 or so iirc)
lobbes: Good news is that many of the accounts I've created should be hitting their 'must be registered for n days' threshold by now
lobbes: Which leaves just the 'n posts required to post ads' threshold
hanbot: <mod6> Ah, alright was worth the ask. hanbot sounds like she got "the works" for pretty cheap. << various items (diff city, the 3.5yrs, tidal flux, ???) could well fuck up any attempts at comparison, yeah. i'm glad to see BingoBoingo's found a place! just didn't feel right sitting on info that might've had a shot at helping out somehow.
mod6: for sure, thanks for throwing in your info. always helps to have some kinda perspective on such things. :]
mod6: BingoBoingo: btw, how's that goin, are you moving towards signing papers or what's next in the steps there?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: btw, how's that goin, are you moving towards signing papers or what's next in the steps there? << I need to take a form from the Agencia to the guarantee clu
BingoBoingo: hanbot: The example was appreciated. If for nothing else the hope that nor all the rest of the world is dysfunctional in the Uruguayo manner.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: btw, how's that goin, are you moving towards signing papers or what's next in the steps there? << So in about half an hour I will have the form to take to the garantee club, just in time to carry this affair over to Monday.
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-2#367387 << initial results of my putting this to the test: webhostingtalk has deemed around 5 of my posts so far as 'too fluffy' and removed them. I'm back down to needing 6 posts to create ads, so it looks like I'll need to get more verbose..
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 23:05 lobbes: ben_vulpes: that.. I am not sure. They claim "no fluff posts", but I assume a few one to two-sentence replies in N threads will do (I'll be putting this to the test)
lobbes: hanbot, danielpbarron, I hope you both don't mind I used your sites as examples of sites being hosted on UY1 (also, anyone else hosting a site on the shared hosting currently? moar examples wouldn't hurt for me to have in my pocket)
lobbes: ben_vulpes, et al. Are you guys offering any kind of backup program as a side service? I assume 'no', but wanted to both respond to the guy quickly and confirm so I told him I'd check and get back to him.
mod6: nice idea putting the order in OTC. who knows, maybe get a few nibbles on that route.
ben_vulpes: lobbes: currently don't have the spare machine to use for backups unless cannibalizing one of the hot spares in in the cards (which it shouldn't be i don't think)
BingoBoingo: The best line is probably "Users are responsible for backing up their own files"
BingoBoingo: Or "Users are responsible for maintaining backups of their own files"
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> lobbes: currently don't have the spare machine to use for backups unless cannibalizing one of the hot spares in in the cards (which it shouldn't be i don't think)<ben_vulpes> lobbes: currently don't have the spare machine to use for backups unless cannibalizing one of the hot spares in in the cards (which it shouldn't be i don't think) << Cold spares. And we still would have the problem of populating them with disks.
asciilifeform: today i no longer consider at all to run a node without aggression. with -- on slow pipe -- a sync is about 3 wks.
mod6: agression, i believe will be added to the default trb tree. haven't had a chance yet, working on the rawtx stuff.
mod6: a whole bunch of things will be moved in actually.
asciilifeform: mod6: i see 'aggression' as a bug fix for the original, rather than a feature. i can think of no justification whatsoever for the original idiocy, where boot time is somehow special for a node.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: what's normal? << Not the speed from the February test runs when the Rack only held Qntra, but not far from that.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i use it routinely, it has downside implications for the network in that it makes overconnected peers and runs the risk of overconcentrating connections in c blocks
ben_vulpes: i think a regrind of the implementation described in 2) of my email atop asciilifeform's original patch is the right thing to do
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: i see 'aggression' as a bug fix for the original, rather than a feature. i can think of no justification whatsoever for the original idiocy, where boot time is somehow special for a node. << This. It isn't a small difference.
trinque: ben_vulpes: got it; for now I'll just use the former
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you're speaking of your 'aggressive-aggression' variant, neh ?
asciilifeform: my orig patch does not affect behaviour inside c-blocks
mod6: Anyway, to be clear, indeed one should be using alf's aggression, and it will go into the main trb tree. I've tested with it, and have been using myself on my own node, and on the TRB node @ pizarro.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 23:23 lobbes: I've got apache, php5.6 (ty BingoBoingo), and mysql all emerged. My issue is getting the php module for mysql working
lobbes: I'll bake a proper post on what I did soon, but tl;dr: There was a package mask on mysql in /usr/portage/profiles/arch/arm64/use.mask. This was remedied my unmasking mysql in /etc/portage/profile/use.mask
lobbes: reasoning for the mask in /arm64/use.mask was "# havent tested yet", so hopefully will not break anything.
lobbes: Vexual slowly. Spent most of last weekend getting blog resurrected on rockchip (though, it was not in vein). Today was eulora auction/logotron-related maintenance. But next up in hopper is hitting the oceans again. I'll prolly follow ben_vulpes' lead and try to assess the altcoiners' hangouts
BingoBoingo: Probably a bad idea to move any machines here with empty bays during transport.
ben_vulpes: options are either ship 'em down in the next courier run; get 'em at the "iron store", which i don't know anything about; or ship 'em in via that importing service we bandied about back in the day
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i take it you didn't get to visit the iron shop ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's this place , good hr or so walk from the tower, brooklyn-style rathole with errything from 56k modems to nullmodems hanging on hooks, rack shelves, mains cables ( i bought one ), GB switches (ditto) , buncha various under-the-counter-if-you-know-how-to-ask, 20% or so discount if you pay in trooly green benjies, etc
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-20 17:59 asciilifeform: breaking noose : shitazon gives quote of 314.21 ( 237.99 disk ; 14.51 postage; 61.71 orc bakshish )
mod6: at some point we should buy like 36-48 ssds and throw them into 6-8 chassis for a trip down there so we can just have them on site.
mod6: (figuring 4U max per bag, 2 bag max. typically a 1U box can hold 8 drives)
mod6: so for stuff to arrive and be installed an stood up by July 1: would need to buy drives today for over-night, or 2nd day delivery, and then someone has to fly there on say, Monday, Tuesday at the latest.
mod6: Ticket prices seem to be ~$3700 round trip on my end.
mod6: Anyway, I'm pretty much locked out for that week as-is, since I'm already covering for people out of town next week in the salt-mines.
mod6: I srsly suggest we look into this courier service.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: how long did the last amazon shipment take to get to you?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have this in your notes?
BingoBoingo: 315 USD/disk for samsung is still ~33% less than local advertised prices for not-samsung
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: canvas the buenos aires emarkets as well?
ben_vulpes: depending on when you can move in/can afford to give up the security of the hostel for a day or so it might be worth a trip to bsas; although i'd rather it be a 2-3 day thing so you can do several tasks during the duration instead of just the one
BingoBoingo: Buenos aires still involves crossing customs. Granted ferry boat customs checkpoint, but its still a thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes : might be worth a test with some low-value purchases
mod6: <@asciilifeform> and yes, if they're willing to use the hot spare as the starter disk for new box, or if trinque sells one of his, or mod6 , then can make immediately the 2nd box << i'm willing to consider this as an option. The Foundation can just have a replacement shipped down via shitazon immediately if need be.
mod6: Perhaps we should just order the drives from shitazon, have 'em shipped.
asciilifeform: there is not really such a thing as 'too many hdds in stockpile'
mod6: Then meanwhile, we can always stand up the environment with my spare drive down there. And if that's fine for testing, then fine, we've got an extra 5 drives coming down. It's not like they won't get used.
mod6: diana_coman: Here's what we're proposing; 1) We use the bitcoin foundation's spare drive & get the s.mg hot spare environment racked for ya to use asap - i.e. next 48 hours. 2) We order drives for shipment to .uy, which hopefully will arrive by Mid-July. 3) Upon receipt of these first five, we can add those all to the newly racked environment if you wish. If there is no need, then that's fine, we'll ear m
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: idea was, possibly shopkeeper can procure on request << It seems shopkeep is comfortable procuring the kinds of things he procures
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: did you ask if he can procure ssds?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: make sure he knows that you're speaking of adult qties, and regular purchase, rather than one-off caprice
BingoBoingo: I will ask again and try for greater clarity.
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-21#384979 << absolutely. I can probably swing a couple, like say one this shipment and one next shipment (if I'm following logs correctly you're shipping 5 ssds now, then 5 after right?). I know there's others who can probably do all 5 in one shot so I'll take 10% off what shitizon charges me to incentivize letting me in on buying
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-21 18:53 mod6: lobbes: you still wanna buy & ship some SSDs for pizarro for BTC? chat us up in #pizarro about the details.