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2018-5-31 | 2018-7-1

BingoBoingo: Ah, wider than any I am using. The scheme I use is a proportional main area to side bar with a minimal width for the sidebar. It uses CSS floats and if the sidebar doesn't get its minimal width it fails to the bottom of the page. This is my first time really hammering mp-wp.
BingoBoingo: I have replaced that with a rule that seems to not banish the sidebar.
asciilifeform: looks to be fixed. ty BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: On Qntra wp I had a more minimalist theme to start with. On mp-wp I've been stuck cutting from the default wordpress 2 theme.
BingoBoingo: But yes, please keep hammering on this for functionality and opine on the design and usability.
ben_vulpes: ah yes muchly better
BingoBoingo: I am trying to think of something better for the footer.
BingoBoingo: I'm off to bed. Will probably tarball it up, and play with a few more tweaks.
ben_vulpes: aye aye, thanks BingoBoingo
shinohai: gm #pizarro
shinohai: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820140 <<< Why do you assume malice here? That don't even enter into the question.
shinohai: Also, on a more official note,I may have my hands on 4 of these: https://www.apple.com/mac-mini/ and wish to enquire as to the cost of housing and estimated operational cost.
shinohai: etc, etc
BingoBoingo: Mornin
BingoBoingo: http://161.0.121.252/defaultpz.tar.gz << Tarball of pizarro redesign as of this morning
asciilifeform: shinohai: let ben_vulpes know the dimensions of the boxen ( in particular, height ) , and the max power draw ; he will make a quote. then if you are satisfied with the price, can arrange them to ride in the next transport container ( probably -- mine )
asciilifeform: shinohai: to estimate cost of the latter, weigh the machines (together with disks and any external dc power supplies needed)
shinohai: cheers! thx
asciilifeform: shinohai: there is also the option of transporting them yourself. BingoBoingostan is a fun place to visit.
asciilifeform: ( and iirc you are already not far from it ? )
asciilifeform: shinohai: if you're sitting on a warehouse full of these, you can try mailing them in, but you risk them being taxed like gold bricks. and have a good chance to lose the disks.
shinohai: nb
asciilifeform: shinohai: if i remember correctly the size and shape of macmini -- you will also need to either bring a rack shelf, for them, or purchase on site ( will cost fiddybux or so, iirc, and you will need to walk to the outskirts of the city with BingoBoingo to get to the 1 working shop )
shinohai: my idea was to put bsd on them and use 'em as webservers
asciilifeform: i assume these are vintage macminis ( why wouldja pay the apple tax for new units just to get x86 boxen )
shinohai: yeah they are the older 40GB ones I think. A friend of mine found them as office surplus somewhere
asciilifeform: ppc32 ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> shinohai: if i remember correctly the size and shape of macmini -- you will also need to either bring a rack shelf, for them, or purchase on site ( will cost fiddybux or so, iirc, and you will need to walk to the outskirts of the city with BingoBoingo to get to the 1 working shop ) << Not to the outskirts. To the more central city center
shinohai: asciilifeform: i think they are these, the g4 https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_g4_1.25.html
shinohai: with the obsolete optical drives
asciilifeform: shinohai: ftr rockchip has actually better peformance, than this box.
shinohai: so ~3 lbs, sans psu
asciilifeform: ( and weighs 20x less... )
shinohai: yeah but these are phree!
asciilifeform: my dec alphas, were similarly free. but keep in mind that transport ( unless you transport'em yourself ) will cost per kg.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-1#366436 << i am not yer kindergarten teacher; but i do recommend to make peace with lobbes ( see the douchebag thread in re why )
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-01 11:33 shinohai: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820140 <<< Why do you assume malice here? That don't even enter into the question.
shinohai: I saw the douchebag thread, what of it?
shinohai: No one is my kindergarten teacher
shinohai: asciilifeform: if it precludes me from doing business here, then so be it. I thank you for your time anyway. :)
mod6: We'd love to have ya as a customer shinohai, but I think lobbes' rating of -2 poses as a problem here.
mod6: He's a lord now, and regarding the rules discussed previously, etc.
mod6: So see what you can do to try to have your wot rating cleaned up.
shinohai: meh quite alright
mod6: And as far as those racks for the mac-mini's, they do have them that you can place 4 into a 1U rack. Most of the ones I've seen look exactly like this: https://www.racksolutions.com/mini-rack-access.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoOnnzfSy2wIVhkBpCh0CKgNIEAQYASABEgINYfD_BwE
mod6: There is a cheaper model for $299 as well.
mod6: (at least, at that vendor)
asciilifeform: mod6: pointlessly wasteful, a flat shelf would do fine.
asciilifeform: mod6: and can be bought on site in BingoBoingostan.
mod6: Ah, alrighty then.
mod6: Would work.
trinque: shinohai: you know, I don't want to clutter #pizarro's logs here, but I think a prideful rejection of republican processes doesn't serve you, and might squander valuable relationships down the way.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform would luvv to have shinohai as a customer. but he would have to resolve whatever disagreements he has with current l1 folx.
asciilifeform: the sad thing is that it isn't even clear what the disagreement is about. as far as i can tell, the enmity was simply from mutual exchange of insults.
trinque: lords worth their salt exchange those on any given tuesday
ben_vulpes: eat a dick, herr trinque !
asciilifeform: lol
mod6: haha
trinque: this being the customary friday meal for the pacific northwest
trinque: :D
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho
mod6: kekek
mod6: salchicha de la cascades
ben_vulpes: lol
asciilifeform: http://www.clovegarden.com/ingred/sf_bvgeoz.html << oblig
ben_vulpes: aha!
ben_vulpes: i haven't eaten beachdick in a minute
mod6: holy christ
mod6: its a cock and balls
mod6: and with that, bbs meat
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/01/the-real-estate-situation-in-montevideo-part-one/ << First part of the real estate writeup
mod6 reads
BingoBoingo: There's more information to present. Right now the problem is narrowing the scope enough to be useful.
mod6: *nod*
mod6: "airbnb" probably instead of "airbnd" ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the sad thing is that it isn't even clear what the disagreement is about. as far as i can tell, the enmity was simply from mutual exchange of insults. << If shinohai wants to colo, and especially if he wants to make the trip to Uruguay (and maybe courier some spare parts for Pizarro)... I would hope the issue of the "bad feels" rating could be resolved in the forum.
BingoBoingo: The point where L2 Republicans with productive history get blocked from purchasing Pizarro services over a Lordly negrating, and where efforts at resolution suggest the only problem is skin insufficiently resistant for Lordly responsibility... is the sort of situation where I would consider deploying my own power to negrate.
BingoBoingo: This case is awfully early for that, or ruling out shinohai as a customer.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> "airbnb" probably instead of "airbnd" ? << error, but I am tempted to let it live for the mispelling SEO
BingoBoingo: brb, beddie bye time
mod6: ok night
mod6: is 'parilla' a 'jackhammer' ? translate says it's a 'grill', but that doesn't make sense with the context.
BingoBoingo: It is a grill
mod6: oh. so they just stand there and make burgers all day?
BingoBoingo: They do per their union contract
mod6: lol. union lunch-wagon of sorts 'eh?
BingoBoingo: But less burgers and more "asado de tira
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: And the employer is on the hook for the food as well
mod6: huh. interesting.
BingoBoingo: But essentially this first real estate series post just narrowed the map. Next up when the brain is less drained is mechanics of the rental process.
mod6: Good work, Sir!
mod6: have a good night.
lobbes: Do I officially have the green light to start sales campaign of pizarro shared hosting?
mod6: Yes, please!
mod6: oh wait.
lobbes: (btw, for other sales folx in the audience: I'm finding many of the webforums have a week waiting period with a "n amount of fluff posts" requirement before posting in the advertising sections)
lobbes waits
mod6: my bad, the landing page + BingoBoingo's changes are not live yet.
lobbes: kk. Glad I asked. I'll keep 'warming up' various accounts in the meantime
mod6: Alright, should be soon. I'm gonna see if they can get that up here today.
mod6: ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo ^
mod6: Let's launch those changes today. We need to get the ball rollin' here.
ben_vulpes: i'll be putting the new template up today
mod6: *thumbsup*
mod6: lobbes: ok, we'll keep you posted, Sir.
lobbes: Lol, so I guess we'll see if a cryptographically-backed wot fits lowendtalk's definition of "proper ordering system" >> http://archive.is/Mxnxm#selection-1033.0-1033.96
lobbes: if not, we'll have a bag-o-lulz at the least
BingoBoingo: <mod6> Let's launch those changes today. We need to get the ball rollin' here. << Very cook
BingoBoingo: *cool
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what does that tarball hash to?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: f2f01f95656da1988cccfec3fecfb2a334b636b59fe474e39202dc8ebee44e3e
BingoBoingo: echo -n "defaultpz.tar.gz" | openssl dgst -sha256
ben_vulpes: erm
ben_vulpes: pretty sure that just hashes the string "defaultpz.tar.gz"
ben_vulpes: try openssl dgst -sha256 defaultpz.tar.gz
BingoBoingo: ty SHA256(defaultpz.tar.gz)= 24b48373fdc6e2c315e57000623170bd1a050a2e03c2f14960e202f0d876d470
ben_vulpes: matches, ty
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820300 <<< Even if this were resolved, I have pretty much decided Pizarro wouldn't meet my current needs or risk profile, if at anytime after posession of my BTC and equipment one of the lords might LARP about and negrate me.
shinohai: Then I am out the invested coin, and left finding another $HOME for equipment, so this model does no better for me than the empire. I do thank you for entertaining my query, and wish you all good luck.
ben_vulpes: colo is a favor done for close wotmates, so the whole thread is moot. bon chance shinohai.
shinohai: quite
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: themes up, tyvm
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: report going out tomorrow
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sweet.
ben_vulpes: lobbes: what kinda "fluff" counts?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Should we start looking for a beachdick two-tone monogram logo?
ben_vulpes: goeyducks, eh?
ben_vulpes: charming, yeah. can you gimp one up?
lobbes: ben_vulpes: that.. I am not sure. They claim "no fluff posts", but I assume a few one to two-sentence replies in N threads will do (I'll be putting this to the test)
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I lack gimp skills. Lobbes know how to gimp up a beachdick?
ben_vulpes: pretty low priority item in the face of satisfying fluff quotas imho
ben_vulpes researching sftp user setup
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I could try to vectorize one (i.e. trace over a beachdick.jpg in InkScape and export as a .svg)
lobbes: but yeah, I guess low priority over the rest of the items in hopper
lobbes: my current items (running in-parallel when meatworld allows) are 1) enumerating web hosting forum landscape, and 2) getting the workings of portage through my thick skull so I can migrate my mp-wp so as to bake blog posts on my enumerations of 1)
ben_vulpes: lobbes: what do you need a hand with on the portage front?
lobbes: I've got apache, php5.6 (ty BingoBoingo), and mysql all emerged. My issue is getting the php module for mysql working
lobbes: for some reason, no matter how I set the USE flags to include all the mysql flags I've researched, "emerge php" will not emerge the mysql extension
lobbes: my guess is that I'm missing something obvious, perhaps there was an error that I ignored when emerging that I should not have, etc.
lobbes: only solution is for me to keep digging I reckon
lobbes: it brings in mysqli no problem, but no mysql. I've followed esthlos' guide, but no dice. Of course he was using amd64 and not arm64, so perhaps there is something my inexperienced eye is missing
ben_vulpes: what do you have in /etc/portage/package.use/$whereyoukeepphpflags
lobbes: ben_vulpes: and here's where the advice of 'take good notes' is saving me effort. I have that documented here: http://archive.is/0EKDP
ben_vulpes reads
lobbes brb
ben_vulpes: see ya
ben_vulpes: lobbes here try this
ben_vulpes: lobbes here try this
ben_vulpes: fff.
ben_vulpes: instead of relying on USE in make.conf, make a file /etc/portage/package.use/php
ben_vulpes: with a line a la:
ben_vulpes: =dev-lang/php-5.6.34 fpm apache2 threads mysql
ben_vulpes: yours will probably need to read =dev-lang/php-5.6.35-r1 ... , because that's the atom in the output of emerge
ben_vulpes: oh oh you have it in there in the package.use file, i see
ben_vulpes: also curious to know what output of `sudo eselect php list apache2` shows
ben_vulpes bbl also
lobbes: ben_vulpes: results of eselect php list apache2 (php5.6 is selected) >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jTihj/?raw=true
lobbes: and ty in general for reading. Dumb q, but there is no harm in having the same use flags set in both make.conf and package.use is there? I wondered if this may be causing problems, but the gentoo manual gave me the impression it would just be merely redundant
lobbes bbl for realz
ben_vulpes: i don't think it's harmful, no. redundant, yes.
ben_vulpes: i prefer specificity of use flag is all
ben_vulpes: (on a per-package basis)
BingoBoingo: lobbes: I have made it as far as installing mysql. Early in the week after finishing the real estate writeup I plan to install an httpd and bring the mp-wp orchestra together.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: nice, I'll keep my eyes peeled.
mod6: Hey! I see the new site is up at pizarroisp.net Thanks guys :]
mod6: lobbes: You are now free to begin sales! BingoBoingo, you as well.
jurov: mod6 et al.: was the intent that pizarroisp.net landing page shows statements?
jurov: i'd expect there some blurb "we do such and such hosting"
mod6: Well, that is what I'd have preferred, but it seems that it was opted to make them links at the top.
mod6: fwiw, you've all seen my websites. if left up to me, it'd look just like that.
ben_vulpes: jurov: nah, still shuffling pages around, but ty
lobbes: mod6: nice! ty
mod6: Evenin' Pizarro
BingoBoingo: Evenin
mod6: BingoBoingo: can you do me a favor? The next time that you go to the DC (are you going this week?) can you see if there are two power-supplies in the rack? They would have been left there from ben's trip, they're probably 717 Watt each, or they could be 515 Watt possibly.
mod6: These are to be backup power-supplies for the Foundation's server down there.
BingoBoingo: They were counted on the inventory I sent
mod6: Just wanna make sure they're.
mod6: Ah, ok. I'll have to dig that up.
BingoBoingo: It's in the Bilge inventory
ben_vulpes: huh i musta scanned past that
BingoBoingo: 2 502 watt power supplies
ben_vulpes: yup completely missed that, shoot
ben_vulpes: score another one for bumbling
mod6: <@BingoBoingo> 2 502 watt power supplies << ah, ok this sounds like them.
BingoBoingo: I swung by there real quick this morning and spotted asciilifeform's cat
mod6: ah, nice.
BingoBoingo: Also today I acquired and then hemmed pants.
ben_vulpes: rockin
asciilifeform: lol neato
BingoBoingo: It turns out in a country where I am of relatively neutral height, the pants are not.
mod6: ah, nice work!
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/04/visiting-some-real-estates-in-montevideo/ << Featuring datacenter cat
mod6: thanks for the post
mod6: lol, christ, what did they do to that planter?
ben_vulpes: welp there go both of my projections for next month
BingoBoingo: Looks like it was driven into by an undetermined vehicle
mod6: so you think you'll be moving in by end of the month then 'eh?
mod6: (somewhere)
BingoBoingo: It's a possibility, depending on how long the paperwork for the real estate guarentee club takes
mod6: ok cool. keep us posted!
mod6: hopefully you can find something with a kitchen that's functional.
ben_vulpes: sounds like he's got one that's partway there
BingoBoingo: Will do. Tomorrow's business is collecting measurements and putting down a 10,000 peso deposit to take the place off the market.
BingoBoingo: But yes, the kitchen is why this one.
BingoBoingo: Size is roughly the hotel rooms ben_vulpes and asciilifeform had which, if not furnished like a hotel is plenty of space.
mod6: sounds great, honestly.
asciilifeform: sounds tight if holding 2 people
mod6: is there going to be two? or is two considering guests from foreign lands?
asciilifeform: the latter
asciilifeform: was part of the criteria, recall.
mod6: ah, alrighty then.
BigTexasBingo: A bit tight, but workable. Otherwise there are substantial costs in distance, layout, price, and security
BigTexasBingo: At 40 square meters the units are carved into 1-2 bedrooms at substantial cost to sanity
BigTexasBingo: And if sleep needs demand it, instead of submarine bunking, I could always vacation at the Rambler Pocitos for a couple days.
Vexual: visitor berth could be under a workbench where a reel of cat6 etc is kept
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> sounds tight if holding 2 people << Going bigger is a substantial trade in either monthly price or distance.
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes
ben_vulpes: hola
mod6: werd up
BingoBoingo: Well, no papers were signed today. Rescheduled for tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/05/how-i-have-been-evaluating-securability-of-various-properties/ << How I have been considering properties from a security (animal and environmental) perspective
BingoBoingo: 35 square meters for 16500 pesos (~530 USD at present) monthly (rent + gastos communes) is the sweet spot before either risks climb or rents climb (new construction with bedrooms are just now in the construction pipeline and the ones in buildings that aren't structurally iffy tend to be hot potato airbnb bait)
ben_vulpes: mvd's pretty low earthquake risk, isn't it?
BingoBoingo: As close to no earthquake risk as you can get in South America. Just persistent winds and rain.
BingoBoingo: And humidity.
ben_vulpes: yeah that's sounds right
BingoBoingo: The humidity does not quit, but with southern exposure you can get sun and dry some shit out.
ben_vulpes: split units handle moisture control there as well?
BingoBoingo: When its cold. I am not sure what the heat setting does other than increase they air's mosture carrying capacity with the temperature.
ben_vulpes: when it's in cooling mode you mean?
BingoBoingo: Well, when it is cooling it is like air conditioning. When it is heating I am not sure yet what it does as far as humidity.
ben_vulpes: i doubt the heat pump will dehumidify in the winter
BingoBoingo: In the worst case they have a local equivalent of "damp rid" here
lobbes: there's always stand-alone dehumidifiers you can buy, but they can be loud and expensive. Plus you have to manually dump out the gallons of water they collect every 24 hrs or so
mod6: evenin'
asciilifeform: ohai mod6 !
mod6: how goes asciilifeform
asciilifeform: slooowly
mod6: ah.
mod6: im just catchin up here.
asciilifeform: looking for a spi eeprom burner that actually does 1.8volt.
mod6: lobbes: i've got one here, thing does wonders in the basement. it ~is~ expensive tho, but pulls ~1 US gal out of the air every day tho
asciilifeform: a dehumidifier is just a shit ac, that dumps the heat back indoors
mod6: are more of them 5v or something alf?
asciilifeform: ( don't take my word for it, open one )
asciilifeform: mod6: 3.3
mod6: ah.
mod6: fwiw, my ac unit works good, just gets damp in the basement.
asciilifeform: mod6: you gotta bring the condensate hose out
mod6: hmm. *shrug*
mod6: BingoBoingo: sounds like you're set on a unit then?
mod6: do they sell louisvilles down there?
mod6: well, can you get a firearm? or is that banned?
asciilifeform: mod6: in 40 m^2 even sword would work, lol
mod6: yeah, sword is a fine cqb weapon in the proper hands
BigTexasBingo: As alf knows sword can be had. Also found the gunshop. Large breed puppies are cheap for defending a bigger space but I do not trust that I am better at dogs than the bums
mod6: just get something for home defense if some zombies come trying to break in while you're there.
BigTexasBingo: Alf has seen my spiffy hammer
mod6: problem with dog; takes up space, needs to be fed, and exercised - regularly.
mod6: Ok hammer is good, also doubles as a key.
mod6: Dog is good though, if you have plenty of yard and space, etc.
BigTexasBingo: I alsl have the peruana who can do some overnights
BigTexasBingo: Problem with dog here is owned dogos resent the free ones in the streets
mod6: huh
mod6: Anyway, i'm onboard as long as whatever you are about to sign for suits your needs. 1) enough space, 2) close to things, within reason, 3) workable kitchen, etc. etc.
mod6: As far as I remember, you were saying that ones you were looking at did not come furnished, correct?
mod6: i.e. you'll have to buy a bed, chair, desk, lamps etc?
BigTexasBingo: The only questionable part is it may be a bit cramped with a visitor that isn't sexually intimate, but we can hang some temp walls
mod6: sure. i kinda figured the same, could alwayss hang a curtain or whatever.
BigTexasBingo: It needs furniture, an mini fridge and 40 or 40 liter water heater
BigTexasBingo: 30 or 40 liter
mod6: Ah. What do those typically run?
mod6: $200?
BigTexasBingo: 200 ish, 275 ish for the fridge.
BigTexasBingo: Having the oven and cooktop is a substantial saving
mod6: Totally agree. There'll be some upfront costs, but you'll be much happier, I'm certain.
mod6: if they'd let me, I'd send you a frozen pack of phesants.
mod6: speaking of which, i gotta eat more of them things. i've still got like 100 from last year.
BigTexasBingo: You would have to put them in a 1u case for that
mod6: hahaha
BigTexasBingo: And I have located at least one gun store
mod6: you think you need one? or can get by with bat/knife/sword/etc ?
BigTexasBingo: I can get by with unnamed items already on site
mod6: alright.
BigTexasBingo: In this place
BigTexasBingo: Further north would require a militia at which point why not have a coup?
mod6: i think brazil is about to fall..
BigTexasBingo: Not fall. It is about to get weird.
mod6: you think the current goverment will remain? don't they kinda throw the people out like this about every 25 years or so?
BigTexasBingo: Brazil has been a mess since they deposed the Emperor.
BigTexasBingo: In Uruaguay we just have to humiliate Raul Sendic
mod6: what are the odds on that this kinda stuff boils over into .uy?
BigTexasBingo: Minimal
mod6: werd. let us know if the sentiment starts to change.
mod6: im excited for ya BingoBoingo, shaping up to be a good week.
BigTexasBingo: Blog posts are in the pipeline. Just can't be arsed to get out of this bed atm.
mod6: np.
BigTexasBingo: I really need to read these hostel mattress labels.
mod6: ?
BigTexasBingo: So comfy
mod6: nice. feel free to call it a night if you're tired.
BigTexasBingo: Doing the passive thing until the brain shuts down
mod6: werd
BigTexasBingo: Anyways distance to the cabinet and separation from the idle are the big limiting factors on the search aside from seasonal market movements
mod6: one of these days i gotta figure out how to get the USB cable drivers installed for the ISE from Xilinx
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm not even certain that i could repeat the feat today, lol. ( i set mine up some time in 2010 and it's been untouched ever since... )
mod6: yeah, the pain level is high; hopefully it'll be a set-it-and-forget-it deal.
hanbot: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-6#369906 << say, i dunno if this is relevant or useful, but on the offchance: i rented 40m2, furnished (all furniture, waterheater, a/c, etc), studio in bsas ~100m from the obelisk (ie central as central gets) for $500, incl. utils and weekly maid, doorman service, etc...3.5 yrs ago, just about.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-05 23:15 BingoBoingo: 35 square meters for 16500 pesos (~530 USD at present) monthly (rent + gastos communes) is the sweet spot before either risks climb or rents climb (new construction with bedrooms are just now in the construction pipeline and the ones in buildings that aren't structurally iffy tend to be hot potato airbnb bait)
mod6: hanbot: ah! thanks for the info.
mod6: BingoBoingo: check this out ^ any sweet deals like this in town?
ben_vulpes: better deal than i've heard about
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: check this out ^ any sweet deals like this in town? << I wish. Closest I spotted was in Buceo 18,000 pesos monthly plus common costs for a smaller unit without a balcony.
BingoBoingo: In the more central parts of the city: Tres Cruces, Centro, Ciudad Vieja etc... "pensions" dominate the immigrant housing market. In that direction purchase price of units goes down, but rents don't really go down.
BingoBoingo: Just about everything in Buenos Aires costs less than in Montevideo
mod6: Ah, alright was worth the ask. hanbot sounds like she got "the works" for pretty cheap.
BingoBoingo: Well, different city.
BingoBoingo: People here treat real estate like lottery tickets. Next summer just *might* be the summer Their apartment is the hot Airbnb place, etc
mod6: Sounds like a lot of these units have their "whole families" living in them, etc, and therefore might be rather illiquid. Is there opportunity to low-ball them on pricing, or to make a counter-offer?
mod6: Or is it pretty much "what you see is what you get"?
mod6: (pricing scheme)
BingoBoingo: Efforts at hard negotiation are undermined by the Uruguayo faith that... If only they just wait long enough someday they will get to be the star of the movie. Just because the Uruguayos aren't Catholic Latinos doesn't mean they don't have a religion
mod6: Heh.
mod6: What are the terms of the payments (usually?), monthly, quarterly, yearly?
mod6: (for rental)
BingoBoingo: Monthly
mod6: On average, how much do they typically raise rents every year for such units?
BingoBoingo: The central bank publishes a percentage rate every so often and that serves as the maximum they rent can go up year to year
mod6: This is typically like what, 1-3% ?
BingoBoingo: Depends on if the peso goes in the shitter
mod6: Ok.
BingoBoingo: Trying to find where they publish the rate
mod6: Cheers, just curious about forward costs tis all.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the definitive cultural artifact of Uruguay is a film titled "El Baño del Papa"
mod6: lolwat
BingoBoingo: It's about exactly the local lottery mindset.
mod6: Ah, cool.
BingoBoingo: Pictures incoming
mod6: sweet
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/06/6-months-in-montevideo-finding-a-clean-place/ << Pictures
Vexual: it's hard to go past a fanny washer
Vexual: did you check it after dark?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKli0y-Xr-Q loxck it in
shinohai: Some lulz for BingoBoingo this am: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/crypto-company-commander-commandeers-carrier.html
BingoBoingo: ty for the laffs
shinohai: turns out the guy is BCash evangelist also, after examination of his twatter timeline
lobbes: Update on my sales progress for the Pizarro folx: Slow going the last week. Between saecular $job and managing my auction biz in #eulora my bandwidth has been saturated. However I plan to spend time this weekend on a fluff campaign to get to the point where I can start pumping out regular  Pizarro bumps on various forums
lobbes: I'll post the list of forums I've established a user on tonight. (around 10 or so iirc)
lobbes: Good news is that many of the accounts I've created should be hitting their 'must be registered for n days' threshold by now
lobbes: Which leaves just the 'n posts required to post ads' threshold
lobbes bbl tonight
ben_vulpes: awesome lobbes, ty
mod6: thank you lobbes
hanbot: <mod6> Ah, alright was worth the ask. hanbot sounds like she got "the works" for pretty cheap. << various items (diff city, the 3.5yrs, tidal flux, ???) could well fuck up any attempts at comparison, yeah. i'm glad to see BingoBoingo's found a place! just didn't feel right sitting on info that might've had a shot at helping out somehow.
mod6: for sure, thanks for throwing in your info. always helps to have some kinda perspective on such things. :]
mod6: BingoBoingo: btw, how's that goin, are you moving towards signing papers or what's next in the steps there?
lobbes: as promised, my initial notes on my initial survey of the webhosting forum landscape. I figure I'll focus on these first and then go from there: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2YzhL/?raw=true
lobbes off to bed
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: btw, how's that goin, are you moving towards signing papers or what's next in the steps there? << I need to take a form from the Agencia to the guarantee clu
BingoBoingo: hanbot: The example was appreciated. If for nothing else the hope that nor all the rest of the world is dysfunctional in the Uruguayo manner.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: btw, how's that goin, are you moving towards signing papers or what's next in the steps there? << So in about half an hour I will have the form to take to the garantee club, just in time to carry this affair over to Monday.
mod6: Ok cool, thanks for the update.
BingoBoingo: Ok, have the form. Going to the garantee club Monday morning to get a magic number.
ben_vulpes: woo
BingoBoingo: The magic number goes to the Agencia where they will produce another magic number.
jurov: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nQAeq/?raw=true
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Morning
mod6: How goes today?
BingoBoingo: Not bad at all, taking advantage of the lack of placess open to stand in line to get other shit done.
mod6: Cool
BingoBoingo: Buenos dias
shinohai: hola que hay de bweno hoy
lobbes: Update on sales front: I got an ad running on bitcointalk. I plan to include webchat links to #pizarro on all my ad copy, so if someone wanders in here with the handle 'referredbylobbes' that's where they are from. >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.msg39844787#msg39844787
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-2#367387 << initial results of my putting this to the test: webhostingtalk has deemed around 5 of my posts so far as 'too fluffy' and removed them. I'm back down to needing 6 posts to create ads, so it looks like I'll need to get more verbose..
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 23:05 lobbes: ben_vulpes: that.. I am not sure. They claim "no fluff posts", but I assume a few one to two-sentence replies in N threads will do (I'll be putting this to the test)
lobbes: for lulz, here's two examples of what they considered 'fluff' vs 'not-fluff' >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AYrwR/?raw=true
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-2#367396 << btw I slapped these puppies together. Got it in svg so I can easily tweak it and crap out pngs as needed >> http://lobbesblog.com/static/beachdick.png http://lobbesblog.com/static/beachdick.svg
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 23:18 lobbes: BingoBoingo: I could try to vectorize one (i.e. trace over a beachdick.jpg in InkScape and export as a .svg)
mod6: heheh. thanks for the update lobbes!
ben_vulpes: jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/73XZp/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: lobbes: looks like your ad on ttalk has a nibble https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.msg39911435#msg39911435
ben_vulpes: lobbes: server has not been offline since it was installed
BingoBoingo: Well, there was the time in April where asciilifeform taught me how to plug things in
ben_vulpes: oh right
BingoBoingo: Since that day though we have been good
BingoBoingo: So the standing in line phase of getting an apartment is nearing its end.
BingoBoingo: After much linestanding
asciilifeform misread 'tits end'
BingoBoingo: 'tits end' is another place here
BingoBoingo: Well, there's a chain of women's apparel stores se llama 'Tits' and there is a physical point in space where the store ends.
BingoBoingo can't wait to pick up a white board
mod6: now to catch up here folks... stand by.
mod6: done.
mod6: that was pleasant :D
ben_vulpes: lol
mod6: <@BingoBoingo> So the standing in line phase of getting an apartment is nearing its end. << great to hear
mod6: BingoBoingo can't wait to pick up a white board << i love mine. use it for all sorts. especially for unwrapping FFA.
lobbes: nibble has been responded to >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.msg39844787#msg39844787
lobbes: hanbot, danielpbarron, I hope you both don't mind I used your sites as examples of sites being hosted on UY1 (also, anyone else hosting a site on the shared hosting currently? moar examples wouldn't hurt for me to have in my pocket)
lobbes: ben_vulpes, et al. Are you guys offering any kind of backup program as a side service? I assume 'no', but wanted to both respond to the guy quickly and confirm so I told him I'd check and get back to him.
lobbes: hrm, I posted the OP earlier by mistake. Here's exact link to my response https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.msg39923524#msg39923524
mod6: Thanks lobbes!
mod6: im sure one of these guys will get back to you here shortly.
mod6: (tomorrow am at the latest)
lobbes: worx.
danielpbarron: s'all good, man
lobbes: got another net cast: https://forum.bitcoin.com/services/shared-hosting-located-in-uruguay-starting-at-0-001-btc-month-t88867.html
lobbes: and for the hell of it, I slapped an order up on bitcoin-otc >> https://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=23362
lobbes bed
mod6 looks
mod6: nice idea putting the order in OTC. who knows, maybe get a few nibbles on that route.
ben_vulpes: lobbes: currently don't have the spare machine to use for backups unless cannibalizing one of the hot spares in in the cards (which it shouldn't be i don't think)
BingoBoingo: The best line is probably "Users are responsible for backing up their own files"
BingoBoingo: Or "Users are responsible for maintaining backups of their own files"
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> lobbes: currently don't have the spare machine to use for backups unless cannibalizing one of the hot spares in in the cards (which it shouldn't be i don't think)<ben_vulpes> lobbes: currently don't have the spare machine to use for backups unless cannibalizing one of the hot spares in in the cards (which it shouldn't be i don't think) << Cold spares. And we still would have the problem of populating them with disks.
ben_vulpes: right
BingoBoingo: But a point can be made that UY1/shared hosting lives on a RAID 10 array
lobbes: Thanks guys! Responded accordingly with this info. Hopefully we get a full bite >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.msg39977541#msg39977541
mod6: Thanks for the update lobbes!
jurov: ben_vulpes: sent, hopefully it arrives whole in time
ben_vulpes: jurov: ty
BingoBoingo: So deposit has been made with the rental guarantee club. There was one last bit of linestanding today (twice), but now is the time to wait. And do shit that isn't standing in line.
ben_vulpes: awesome BingoBoingo
trinque: hey guys, what kind of speed should I be seeing from the pizarro box? getting about 1MB/s from: wget -O /dev/null http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test500.zip
trinque: I ask because I've had a bitcoin node catching up on this thing for months now, and am now only to 480k. trying to figure out what can be done about it.
ben_vulpes: are you sure that it's a bandwidth issue and not a validation speed issue?
ben_vulpes: also you mean you have a node (somewhere, unspecified) from which you
ben_vulpes: *which you're syncing* from a machine that you have down in uy?
ben_vulpes: or do you have a node *down there* that has been syncing forever?
asciilifeform: trinque: this node, is it with 'aggression' ?
BingoBoingo: trinque: there's a node in the cabinet, have you tried -connect
trinque: 512000 bytes (512 kB, 500 KiB) copied, 65.7673 s, 7.8 kB/s << wahaha ok, disregard
trinque: something seriously wrong with the disk
BingoBoingo: run of speedtest-cli showed nothing abnormal
trinque: 102400000 bytes (102 MB, 98 MiB) copied, 0.232021 s, 441 MB/s << nvm, was just dd-ing for far too little time. write-speed on the array is great
trinque: BingoBoingo: what's normal?
trinque: asciilifeform: no aggression patch, but not being able to sync at all without it would be news to me
asciilifeform: not news at all.
asciilifeform: but completely ordinary.
asciilifeform: i've had nodes on princely 1G/s pipes take months to sync without aggression.
asciilifeform: the increasing derpitude of the btc network, is to blame.
trinque: hm, k. will build.
asciilifeform: today i no longer consider at all to run a node without aggression. with -- on slow pipe -- a sync is about 3 wks.
mod6: agression, i believe will be added to the default trb tree. haven't had a chance yet, working on the rawtx stuff.
mod6: a whole bunch of things will be moved in actually.
asciilifeform: mod6: i see 'aggression' as a bug fix for the original, rather than a feature. i can think of no justification whatsoever for the original idiocy, where boot time is somehow special for a node.
mod6: aha
trinque: ben_vulpes: do you recommend I use your http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000283.html atop http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html ?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: what's normal? << Not the speed from the February test runs when the Rack only held Qntra, but not far from that.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i use it routinely, it has downside implications for the network in that it makes overconnected peers and runs the risk of overconcentrating connections in c blocks
ben_vulpes: i think a regrind of the implementation described in 2) of my email atop asciilifeform's original patch is the right thing to do
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: i see 'aggression' as a bug fix for the original, rather than a feature. i can think of no justification whatsoever for the original idiocy, where boot time is somehow special for a node. << This. It isn't a small difference.
trinque: ben_vulpes: got it; for now I'll just use the former
trinque: see how that goes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you're speaking of your 'aggressive-aggression' variant, neh ?
asciilifeform: my orig patch does not affect behaviour inside c-blocks
mod6: Anyway, to be clear, indeed one should be using alf's aggression, and it will go into the main trb tree. I've tested with it, and have been using myself on my own node, and on the TRB node @ pizarro.
mod6: Works good.
mod6: So until it is in the main tree, please pull and patch it in as required.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, see trinque's original q
asciilifeform: waiwat
asciilifeform: which yes
asciilifeform: and which q
ben_vulpes: yes, talking about my possibly pointless layering atop your original caek; and i suppose not 'original q', because yes there were multiple, but in re aggression patches
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i actually like your patch, the 'if no blocks in 20 min, loudly demand from all connected nodes' thing is probably The Right Thing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but imho the c-block thing oughta be connected through a cmdline toggle.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in debian lulz : https://archive.li/JsGWD << simple root diddle circa 2005 ~still worx~
trinque: blasting through blocks at a much better pace, thanks asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: Good to hear
mod6: Hey guys, let's create some banner ads to help advertise PizarroISP shared hosting. I was looking at some banner ads and I can see that a typical size is: 446px x 63px
mod6: I just came up with a sample, we don't have to use this, but let's see what we can come up with!
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner1.png
asciilifeform: oh neato trinque
asciilifeform: trinque: lemme know how long it ends up taking, to sync (and from what height)
asciilifeform: mod6: that looks pretty good imho
mod6: alright, well, i'll give it day, if anyone wants me to change the text let me know.
ben_vulpes: i think it's pretty great
mod6: I can see that the first line needs to be centered a bit better. I'll fix and post a replacement.
ben_vulpes: center it?
ben_vulpes: yeah
mod6: Alrighty. Will work on that.
mod6: Ok, I've updated that, just reload to see the new version
mod6: <@mod6> http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner1.png
ben_vulpes: word
mod6: Alright, I put together a few more of these. Just to drum up some more ideas.
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner2.png
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner3.png
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner4.png
trinque: asciilifeform: rate is 1.34 blox/min measured over the last 5hrs
trinque: at 484999 now
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: sounds pretty typical (i.e. limiting reactant is the verification cpu time, rather than bw)
asciilifeform: typical with 'aggression', i mean.
trinque: yeah, seems to be in good shape now
asciilifeform: ( without aggression, same thing but with multi-hour,day,sometimes-week pauses when the thing waits with mouth open for rain to fall)
BingoBoingo: sweet
mod6: I don't mean to 'pass the buck' so to speak here, but can BingoBoingo or ben_vulpes service this request here when they have time?
mod6: <asciilifeform> http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj
mod6: I don't know where any of this stuff is at.
mod6: Thanks in advance.
mod6: utoh
mod6: ben_vulpes BingoBoingo asciilifeform : can anyone ping '161.0.121.24' ?
mod6: im getting 100% failure to comm with the foundation's server in the rack.
mod6: ooook im retarded. just ignore this ^
mod6: had wrong ip :}
mod6: all is well.
ben_vulpes: mod done
mod6: hey thanks!
danielpbarron: i think i figured out the wp image upload problem
danielpbarron: and i think i need admin help to apply
danielpbarron: either the default php.ini needs to specify local /tmp dir
danielpbarron: or the vhost config needs to say where the loacal php.ini is
danielpbarron: or maybe not, am i supposed to be able to touch files in /tmp ?
danielpbarron: nevermind
danielpbarron: by chmod'ing my ~/www/images to 777 i was able to upload an image using a test php file
danielpbarron: still doesn't work with mp-wp
danielpbarron: and the chmod 777 can't be the right way to do this, but it works for now
mod6: thanks for the info danielpbarron
shinohai: asciilifeform: messaging from the n900 this morning, so dont have my key, but: http://archive.is/aBdgs
shinohai somehow has fuzzy recollection of asciilifeform talking about this once somewhere ...
asciilifeform: shinohai: last wk's noose, http://qntra.net/2018/06/koch-burns-gpg-signature-version-vulnerability/ ( and , perhaps surprisingly to shinohai , none of our items affected )
shinohai: oh neat. will be glad to get feed reader fixed so can read qntra again
asciilifeform: shinohai: you have own ( and imho entertaining ) alt-qntra nao, tho !
shinohai: Sure, but one likes to read entertainment from lots of different places.
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Bom día
mod6: .uy beat .eg today with a nice header
BingoBoingo: Everyone in the hostel gave me death glares when I asked Suarez not to eat any Egyptians
mod6: lol
BingoBoingo: They seem to be painfully aware of why their last two runs ended early
BingoBoingo: Buenos Sabados
asciilifeform: ohai BingoBoingo
mod6: mornin'
mod6: err, afternoon
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell shinohai were you around for http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-05#783931
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-3#367404 << In updates on this front: Victory!! I was able to get the php-mysql module working on the rockchip!
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 23:23 lobbes: I've got apache, php5.6 (ty BingoBoingo), and mysql all emerged. My issue is getting the php module for mysql working
lobbes: I'll bake a proper post on what I did soon, but tl;dr: There was a package mask on mysql in /usr/portage/profiles/arch/arm64/use.mask. This was remedied my unmasking mysql in /etc/portage/profile/use.mask
lobbes: reasoning for the mask in /arm64/use.mask was "# havent tested yet", so hopefully will not break anything.
ben_vulpes: nice lobbes
BingoBoingo: Sweet lobbes
mod6: hola

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