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2018-4-30 | 2018-6-1

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 : i'ma get the totals for gear that i purchased ( rockchips, etc ) officially signed & sent to you tomorrow
mod6: Sounds good Sir, thank you.
mod6: Rockchip is running great btw, just an update...
asciilifeform: neato
mod6: Still haven't had a moment to do anything uber contructive with it yet, but will get there soon I imagine.
ben_vulpes: thanks asciilifeform
mod6: how many rockchips are still available ? 3?
ben_vulpes: 3
asciilifeform: 3 afaik
mod6: GET 'EM WHILE THEY'RE HOT FOLKS
asciilifeform: ( did mats pay his subscription ? )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aye
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what'd it take to get UY1 handling http requests on .193 as well?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 2nd nic cable
asciilifeform: ( theoretically can even be done without this, but afaik this is simplest variant )
asciilifeform: or hm wait, what's on 193 nao ?
ben_vulpes: there are 2 ports on the back of that thing iirc?
asciilifeform: it seems to be occupied
ben_vulpes: oh hm is there something?
asciilifeform: apparently!
asciilifeform: it pings
ben_vulpes: that's latechco's router
ben_vulpes: 192 then, but in the abstract
asciilifeform: i started the boxes i installed from 194, per ben_vulpes's instructions
asciilifeform: afaik 202 is the next empty.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, any particular reason why 2nd ip for this box ?
ben_vulpes: customer wants a dedicated ip for their web hosting, pricing complexitycost
asciilifeform: those should REALLY go to the rockboxen.
asciilifeform: rather than getting to pay sharedhosting price for sitting on ~very~ scarce resource (ip)
ben_vulpes: well imma bill for it
ben_vulpes: i hear you though; how much of a hassle is it to allocate them to that machine though
asciilifeform: can actually do it in /etc/conf.d/eth0 or where was it, on single nic
asciilifeform does not recall the syntax from memory
mod6: alias
asciilifeform: will have to put user's www server to listen on the specific ip
ben_vulpes: gotcha
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i recommend to practice on a (unoccupied) rockchip first
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: !Qlater tell BingoBoingo hey wouldja move the wp files and mysqldb from the qntra machine to pizarro, and drop 'em in /home/ben/public please
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: textual mysqldump will be fine
ben_vulpes: mats: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CB1Eh/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-1#346281 << Sure, once I get the accounting tally done
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-01 07:08 ben_vulpes: !Qlater tell BingoBoingo hey wouldja move the wp files and mysqldb from the qntra machine to pizarro, and drop 'em in /home/ben/public please
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 4 hours and 41 minutes ago: <ben_vulpes> hey wouldja move the wp files and mysqldb from the qntra machine to pizarro, and drop 'em in /home/ben/public please
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's all tarballed in /home/ben/ for you to adapt to the local hosting environment before putting it live
mod6: Evenin' Pizarro.
mod6: re this thread : http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-1#346513 << Any thoughts ben_vulpes ? I guess my first question: Since we only allow for rental of the rockchip, should we allow for the rental of the FG if one wishes to attach one to it? And if so, at what rate?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-01 21:33 mircea_popescu: incidentally, do these come with fg or as an optional ?
mod6: And if not, perhaps, they must buy the FG. If they do buy the FG, and they discontinue their rental of the rockchip, how do we keep track of the FG for them, or send it to them, or ... wire it into full 1U/2U?
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform fg rents for .0125 btc per annum
mod6: Just throwin it out there. I guess I would oppose rental of FG because: 1) How much time has the FG been used by prior parties? What is the upper-limit on lifetime-hours of an FG? 2) Would need to be re-flashed between renters. Not that we can't do that, but is another consideration.
ben_vulpes: i will add this to the rate sheet
ben_vulpes: mod6: fg really should not be purchased by anyone not colocating in uy
mod6: If they buy them, all we'd have to keep track of is who owns which. Which, too, is hairy itself. *Shrug*.
mod6: ben_vulpes: Alright, I can see it.
ben_vulpes: 1 is for asciilifeform for answer, 2 seems a bit ridiculous to me as they sit in our posession.
ben_vulpes: tantamount to saying "it mighta been flashed by previous renter!" which correct me if i'm wrong but Is Not Possible
mod6: Well, rediculous because someone can't tamper with them as they're in a rack?
mod6: Would you want to use an FG after fuckface mcgee has used it for 1 year, doing who knows what to it?
ben_vulpes: mod6: what on earth can they do it it
ben_vulpes: we plug it into a rockchip, and they...what?
mod6: I think ben_vulpes is correct, I don't think that one can fuck with it.... for asciilifeform to answer maybe.
ben_vulpes: by my read of the design it is Not Possible over the connector.
mod6: (Keep in mind, I'm not trying to be stupid, just trying to be a bit of overly cautious for our customers, which includes myself.)
ben_vulpes: sure, but caution must stand up to reason lest we fall into tin foil paranoia.
mod6: Well, I'll let asciilifeform tell me im an idiot.
mod6: If there's no possible way under the sun, then there is no way, and we don't consider that point at all.
ben_vulpes: i'll let asciilifeform speak on the point
mod6: I do think that's correct tho, the USB-TTL interface is read-only.
ben_vulpes: consider, mod6, the pins on the board. what are they labeled?
mod6: power, out, gnd
mod6: so, aha, read only.
ben_vulpes: unless his name be satan and not stan i think it is a closed case
ben_vulpes: (schematics, though, are human-readable)
mod6: Alright. Let's move on then.
mod6: Would you say, take six FGs and use them in a rentable pool?
ben_vulpes: i'll rent however many there is demand for; at that rate they amortize within six months and pay for others after that.
mod6: (six because that's how many rockchips are availible -- for the readers sake)
mod6: Ah, I see.
ben_vulpes: s.mg is currently renting two, which will pay for another 2 by the end of their contract
mod6: Well sounds like you've got it figured out.
ben_vulpes: heh i have answers to *some* questions; whether the board likes the provided answers is an entirely different issue.
mod6: I think maybe I'm going about this the wrong way...
mod6: I should just let you do what you need to do, and if you have propositions for me, or the board, fire away. I don't wanna micro-manage every little thing that you've already got figured out.
mod6: So I apologize if I'm over-stepping here a bit.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i have no complaints with any of your inquiries
mod6: I'll try to back away a bit more. Let you do your thing. :]
ben_vulpes: if i come across as short it is not for lack of patience but lack of time
ben_vulpes: also i stand but 5'6"
ben_vulpes: ask away, i'd far rather you ask 100 qs for which i've already done thinking and planning on the offchance that there's an angle i've not considered
mod6: No sweat, I just don't wanna pester you, or asciilifeform, or BB.
ben_vulpes: see the previous thread where i asked asciilifeform to not refrain from asking if i'd tried turning my computer on out of some desire to not offend me
mod6: Werd.
mod6: Aight, I'm off to the next thing Sir. <3
ben_vulpes: carry on
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 : fg is not manipulable from the comp
asciilifeform: and is rated for ~25yr power-on life ( after this, gotta reflash the cpld )
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent 11 hours and 50 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-1#346281 << Sure, once I get the accounting tally done
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-01 07:08 ben_vulpes: !Qlater tell BingoBoingo hey wouldja move the wp files and mysqldb from the qntra machine to pizarro, and drop 'em in /home/ben/public please
mod6: 25yrs, cool.
asciilifeform: will add, they've been on the market since dec 2016 and thus far 0 reported failures ( tho for completeness , will note, 1 d00d got a dud usb-ttl cable iirc )
adlai: waiwat, no planned obsolescence in the electric toilet noise catalog?
asciilifeform: adlai: nope. surprised?
asciilifeform: and incidentally if i ever find a maker of genuine antifuse roms, next one will be properly-eternal, rather than 'reflash after 25yr to avoid eeprom bitrot'
asciilifeform: and yes it's got tantalum caps.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform April activity http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jjog8/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you owe me an invoice for the dc and bioneeds wire i believe
ben_vulpes: lobbes: rockchip invoice fired; ping me when you pay it and i'll forward creds
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what is this 'llave' charge?
ben_vulpes: tramite cedula idem
ben_vulpes: generally speaking, trivial though these may be i would like to know what these charges en espanol are, what purpose they serve, etc.
mod6: ben_vulpes, asciilifeform : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3mYKF/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mod6: good q, i have a pill in the worx, but it requires another expedition; until then will have to do either what did before or what you described.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: invoice filed (see #t log), plz eat at your leisure
lobbes: ben_vulpes: paid. ty sir.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: File under Africa? https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/03/politics/chinese-lasers-us-military-pilots-africa/index.html
BingoBoingo: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-3#347399 << The llave is a spare key for the cabinet.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-03 05:47 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what is this 'llave' charge?
BingoBoingo: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-3#347400 << The tramite cedula is the hearing to get a local ID number. The translation charge is related to this. While the english language birth certificate was sufficient for Migracciones, the Department of identity wanted it translated. The process transformed the birth certificate from a single page into an envelope full of pages describing its physical condition
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-03 05:48 ben_vulpes: tramite cedula idem
ben_vulpes: thank you BingoBoingo
mod6: ben_vulpes, asciilifeform : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8vVIr/?raw=true
asciilifeform: got it
mod6: Thanks in advance.
ben_vulpes: doubleack mod6
ben_vulpes: hola Mocky
Mocky: greetings, hows it going?
ben_vulpes: well enough well enough
Mocky: Ok, i'm trying to figure this out. mircea_popescu just bought me some hosting and pizarro is the provider and that's you right?
ben_vulpes: pretty much
ben_vulpes: and he's not yet paid but his credit's good here
ben_vulpes: anyways Mocky get me an ssh key and i'll get you set up with an account on the big shared box
Mocky: ok
lobbes: btw ben_vulpes, in light of my spiffy new pizarro rockchip box, I don't think I'll need my shell going forward (and I got to pinch every bitcent). Feel free to reclaim my space once my period runs out (I think I was monthly); I dun have anything on there I need to save
ben_vulpes: aye aye lobbes
ben_vulpes: it'll happen with no effort on your part once the period lapses
lobbes: Nice. Ty
ben_vulpes: if you're truly pinching bitcents, sign something asking for it and i'll square you up shortly
lobbes: Nah no worries, I'm cool with letting it run to the end of the pay period. I just wanted to prevent you from going through effort of mathing out another month only for me to say "nvm"
ben_vulpes: word
ben_vulpes: laying down process over here; payment is adequate authorization for account setup but mutation requests must be signed
Mocky: ben_vulpes: I haven't done this in a while, is this right: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Uqxhk/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: if you run ssh -lf $pubkey it'll say
ben_vulpes: great hostname
ben_vulpes: Mocky: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PEp0S/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: Mocky: when you have a domain you want served, let me know and i'll configure apache to direct requests to that domain to your wwwdir
Mocky: ben_vulpes: thank you, I can confirm I can ssh in to that box
ben_vulpes: groovy
ben_vulpes: poke me when you've got a domain you want hosted
ben_vulpes: or just a hostname for testing
Mocky: will do
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: please coordinate with asciilifeform on extracting the usb-ttl cables from phuctor for two rockchip customers
ben_vulpes: schedule the downtime at the very least
mod6: I'm just gonna link that whole conversation here: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-3#348194
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-03 18:02 mircea_popescu: and i hope for your sake that your board is requiring you to provide the heathen-customer-acquisition plan by some sort of deadline before you all sink, yes.
asciilifeform: nonononono mod6
asciilifeform: not from phuctor !
asciilifeform: from spare.
asciilifeform: cold spare.
ben_vulpes: oboy oboy
asciilifeform: it contains 2 fg + harnesses, i actually had used it as a trainer for teaching BingoBoingo how to install FG in server
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: np
mod6: oh, so no cables then.
mod6: ok np.
mod6: I thought asciilifeform was mad that i pasted the link there...
asciilifeform: lolnope
mod6: was like "what did I do now?!"
mod6: anyway, sure, don't rob phuctor.
mod6: just can wait until new cables arrive. if it takes 2 months, can I get proratd?
asciilifeform: no need to wait, take the spares
ben_vulpes: mod6: robbing the s.nsa spare
mod6: ok but there are spares that S.NSA doesn't currently need.
asciilifeform: correct, whole spare machine in fact
asciilifeform: ( ftr : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808351 )
mod6: oh, ok
mod6: I'll pledge that if the spare is needed (for some crazy reason) before the cables can make it down there next year, you can just have mine back.
asciilifeform: ty mod6 . tho i can't picture easily why they'd be, unless somehow martians carry off dulap with all contents but for some reason leave errything else alone..
mod6: me either. just sayin, i wont be a dick.
asciilifeform: great, ty
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: are the rockchips physically identifiable by IP?
ben_vulpes: all i have are the ip allocations
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: counter-clockwise on photo
asciilifeform: err, clockwise
asciilifeform: ( first one on yer original list is on right hand, and marked with letter 'A')
ben_vulpes: is this photo on your blog?
asciilifeform: next is its immediate neighbour. and so on
ben_vulpes: i must have missed something
asciilifeform: it was posted here, 1s
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rockchip1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rockchip2.jpg
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo will know which is '1',...,'6', the jacks are numbered.
asciilifeform: so e.g. douchebag has '1', and so on.
asciilifeform: these correspond to entries on ben_vulpes's orig list of ip/login.
asciilifeform: all makes sense ?
asciilifeform: plz ping me if not; but i'ma brb
ben_vulpes: yeah let me load it up into head
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: rockchippen for to have FG attached are #2 and #5
Mocky: ben_vulpes: i'm using domain mocky.org
adlai: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-4#347002 << nope, amused! fwiw, re: http://log.b-a.link/?date=04-05-2018#1480671 the most interesting (understandability cross intrigue) seminar i've attended yet was a pchem one by an ee phd candidate studying... noise.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-02 14:11 asciilifeform: adlai: nope. surprised?
adlai: and no, he's not doing noise reduction :)
mod6: Mornin Pizarro!
mod6: Hola BingoBoingo, how goes today?
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: rockchippen for to have FG attached are #2 and #5 << I will head down in a bit after catching up on logs
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 20 hours and 30 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to investigate automotive supply vendors for subj of usb-ttl & similar
BingoBoingo: mod6: Caught yet another cold
asciilifeform: feel better soon, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: I constantly amazing me how much more hygenic the hostel is than the cowork
mod6: ugh, sorry to hear that. indeed, feel better soon BB
BingoBoingo: FUCKGOATS are installed in B and E
asciilifeform: yay! ty BingoBoingo !
asciilifeform: that very very very quick.
asciilifeform: plz to ping the customers.
BingoBoingo: Well extracted the cables, wrapped the FG with insulation, placed in the tray, and tucked the wires.
asciilifeform: exactly correct.
BingoBoingo: mod6 diana_coman: Your Rockchip FUCKGOATS are plugged in.
mod6: Thanks BingoBoingo!
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, thank you!
asciilifeform: mod6, diana_coman plox to confirm that the plugs went into your respective holes
asciilifeform: ( should show /dev/ttyUSB0 )
asciilifeform: and dun forget to put the stty script from http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html into root's crontab.
asciilifeform: @reboot
mod6: Hey hey! Ok, will check later and report back.
diana_coman: will check when I get a chance
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
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shinohai: evening pizarro
BingoBoingo: Evening shinohai
shinohai: Tienes gripe BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Si
shinohai: Lastima, espero k te mejores pronto
BingoBoingo: Gracias
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i need a hand on some sysoppery when you've got a spare bit of time
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GQL0a/?raw=true when you're free
mod6: <@asciilifeform> ( should show /dev/ttyUSB0 ) << yup, there.
mod6: <@asciilifeform> and dun forget to put the stty script from http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html into root's crontab. << aha
mod6: <@mod6> Hey hey! Ok, will check later and report back. << working, gathering 1+gb of data will run ent/dieharder on it in ~24 hours.
asciilifeform: congrats mod6
mod6: o7
shinohai: morning mod6, asciilifeform
mod6: mornin shinohai!
shinohai: Heya mod6 re: my comments in trilema earlier - tbh asciilifeform is correct. one should be building trb under gentoo - can even d/l stage3 of choice and do it in chroot simpler than trying to rectify all the deb/ubuntu retardation.
shinohai: In my experience, takes far less time (applies to eulora builds also)
mod6: yeah. i agree. perhaps going forward (i iknow sometime in the not too distant future, there will be a bundle of patches ground-together, not sure if it'll be called a 'release', but ya know...) we might not support deb/ubuntu at all.
mod6: i mean, I want to support other OSs... i just don't want to encourage them any more either. that whole /etc/alternatives shit, and whateverthefuck is too much time in support.
shinohai: I think I had mentioned somewhere before my defrocking that I wasn't going to support noob instruction using deb, etc anymore. If they wanted to learn the chroot thing (failing a complete gentoo install) id help, but thats it.
shinohai: Literally takes ~15 minutes to do, and much less complicated than update-alternatives, etc.
mod6: sure, I agree actually. once you figure out the install part, the rest is easier.
mod6: downgrading gcc/g++ on those piles of dung are way more pains in the ass.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810000 << The last Uruguayo that inquired was put off that an offering at Hostgator's price point was not in the cards.
trinque: BingoBoingo: the shared hosting box is pretty damned cheap, not cheap enough though?
BingoBoingo: trinque: I'm saying any concept of paying for useful shit is lost on the orcs.
trinque: yeah, and piling effort towards the cheap end is wasted effort. I get it
trinque thinks more directed effort at the l0de people might pay off
BingoBoingo: Fellow was a Red hat developer seeking to host Wordpress blogs and a personal pile of PHP weird that was likely burning too much CPU for civilized life on a shared box. And yet He felt entitled to not pay for CPU/DiskIO, etc
BingoBoingo: The Orc capacity to entitlement is unbounded
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-5#350831 << so this gets one a trb with buildroot etc on heathen os of indeterminate composition? sweet hack if so shinohai
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-05 14:29 shinohai: Heya mod6 re: my comments in trilema earlier - tbh asciilifeform is correct. one should be building trb under gentoo - can even d/l stage3 of choice and do it in chroot simpler than trying to rectify all the deb/ubuntu retardation.
shinohai: ben_vulpes: I started doing it when learning to gentoo as way of trying out different setups, etc. - was nice for testing trb when one wanted to do everything from "clean" start, i.e. without a bunch of other packages in the mix.
ben_vulpes: yeah it's a great idea
shinohai: my www box is netbsd, but even built one find under it using that recipe.
ben_vulpes: pretty sweet
mod6: that is a pretty cool alt-path there shinohai :]
shinohai: Thought I had mentioned it before in our testing convos mod6
shinohai: but thanks
mod6: im pretty sure you did, actually.
lobbes: yeah, nice work shinohai. If this debian node gives me more headaches I'll probably test your method out.
shinohai: If doing this on remote box, dont forget to mount /dev/pts (if you use screen/tmux) so you don't have to start all over if ssh connection breaks.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-6#351056 << i use nohup
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-06 02:25 shinohai: If doing this on remote box, dont forget to mount /dev/pts (if you use screen/tmux) so you don't have to start all over if ssh connection breaks.
asciilifeform: ( worx on ~all unixlikes )
shinohai: asciilifeform: how can I get output redirection back though, still goes to nohup.out :/
asciilifeform: you put it ~in~ the command inside the nohup
asciilifeform: e.g. nohup ./foo arg morearg > foo_out.txt 2>&1 &
shinohai: I tried crap like reptyr, didn't like.
asciilifeform: ( or if you dun care re stderr, simply ... foo_out.txt & )
asciilifeform: shinohai: this is all ancient posixism, worx errywhere
asciilifeform: no programs to install.
shinohai: I guess I am just lazy, tmux always one of the first things emerged on new system for me xD
asciilifeform brb 
mod6: How goes Pizarro?
shinohai: hola mod6
mod6: How goes today?
shinohai: not bad, sitting out enjoying this sunny 82 degree day lol
mod6: Right on.
shinohai: thank god for bikini weather, i was beginning to think i'd never see scantily clad girls again after past winter
mod6: :D
diana_coman: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-4#350032 <- just to confirm: check was done, FG seems to work fine, thank you
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-04 19:08 diana_coman: will check when I get a chance
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty for confirming
mod6: *thumbsup*
trinque: BingoBoingo: next dive, would you reboot my SSD node? the "ufw" init script apparently does not "set -e" and thus, when missing a kernel module it wants, it happily proceeds and drops your current iptables rules, then goes and fucks itself
trinque: ah, as I recall you're sick. there's no real rush on this, just whenever you're on your feet.
Mocky: my ~/www/index.html on UY1 is owned by root and I can't replace
ben_vulpes: stanby mocky let me fix that
ben_vulpes: Mocky: howzat
Mocky: good thank you
Mocky: when I load mocky.org/index.html i'm getting a response that doesn't match what's in my ~/www/index.html. I'm not sure if I set up the dns wrong or if it's an apache config issue. Anyway this isn't urgent, I'm going to bed now.
ben_vulpes: all righty, i'll get that this evening
ben_vulpes: aight Mocky looks good; files needed 0755
ben_vulpes: i suggest setting up an mp-wp http://thewhet.net/2018/04/mp-wp-genesis/ it'll do comments in a way that the static site will have trouble with, as you're not guaranteed folks will use js in this crowd
Mocky: ben_vulpes: oh man, my permissions, I totally spaced on that one. Thank you. Also I struggle to stomach both php and wp. I'm going to have a go at comments using python via cgi, without js. I'll make mp-wp my plan b.
BingoBoingo: trinque: We can coordinate on it later today.
ben_vulpes: Mocky: well it'
ben_vulpes: it's not as though you'd actively *hack* on it, it's a tool for blogging, quite good at what it does
trinque: BingoBoingo: thank you, can ping me whenever
trinque: next time I'll issue a reboot on a timer before fiddling with the firewall
Mocky: ben_vulpes: is cgi configured to work, or am I doing something wrong? I put a .htaccess in my www/cgi-bin/ dir, apache is not executing my script but serving up my src: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FYPR7/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes looks
ben_vulpes: aah; no this machine isn't set up for full cgi like that. all i've got up so far is php
ben_vulpes: Mocky: if pycgi is very important to you i will set it up, but i am on my way out right now
Mocky: I do want that, but it's not urgent
ben_vulpes: mk, i'll make it happen
BingoBoingo: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-9#352760 << Prolly ought to be a priority in the next physical plant capsule
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-09 02:01 mircea_popescu: and expensive or not, there's not yuet been nor will there ever be an isp without pile of ssds.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 1 difficulty is, they absolutely must travel inside machines
asciilifeform: ( if only for camouflage )
asciilifeform: if the inspectors see '12 identical X', for just about any value of X, yer fucked
BingoBoingo: Sure, one thing at a time
mod6: gm
shinohai: heya mod6
mod6: how goes today shinohai ?
shinohai: Not bad, yourself? Going to get another sdcard, about got this n900 going.
mod6: nice.
mod6: meh, goin alright.
asciilifeform: holy FUQ the number of shithub users with garbage keyz
asciilifeform: ( 1st run is wrapping up, soon will fire the 2nd, with debianization probe )
asciilifeform: err, this was supposed to go in #t
asciilifeform: apologies for logclutter
mod6: np
mod6: Mornin Pizarro
shinohai: The joys of isp for the masses: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7661218
asciilifeform: lol!
mod6: haha
mod6: ROCKCHIP #6 STILL AVAILABLE!
mod6: Let's get it!
mats: anyone ever crawl the web for ssl certs, mangle the ones with rsa keys into pgp format, and feed into phuctor yet?
mats: don’t see it in the logs
shinohai: Morning pizarro
shinohai: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-11#353640 <<< When qntra was down, I backed up archives using the ugly `lynx --dump http://archive.is/qntra.net | awk '/http/{print $2}' > qntra.txt; for i in $( cat qntra.txt ); do wget $i; done`
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-11 04:45 mircea_popescu: but i mean... for what part ? plain curl will fetch the page.
shinohai: but at least allowed for page reading offline, which was nice.
mod6: Mornin'
ben_vulpes: mats: it's come up a few times, i don't think anyone's done it. ask in #trilema too
asciilifeform: mats: it's been on the conveyor pretty much since 2013
asciilifeform: mats: was never done because until recently, db throughput was very sad
mats: rgr
asciilifeform: mats: if you do it, see the script posted today in #t for example, and dun forget to include commentstrings from the seen certs, in the legend
asciilifeform: ( do not repeat Framedragger's ssh keyz mistake )
asciilifeform: ditto hostnames
mats: asciilifeform: i'm looking at x509 docs n there's no useful comment strings afaict
mats: did you mean i should jam cert metadata like hostname, issuer, x509 ver, into the pgp commentstring?
asciilifeform: mats: yes!
asciilifeform: see my example script from this morning.
asciilifeform: ( it eats jurov-style csv, for instance,
asciilifeform: 9147308804523577318254680090854975425354696998515752706889904421135910790163186632455330217278555688425305461441888915846826756632386366347944996234446502486854776552226817845670168137344340743619462915739954940877872783673972529924959119345815336316419949028244356676545134915820630776745271582272357592460773075147522911671,Github.com SSH pubkey USER: ralouphie KEYID: 11989431 API: https://api.github.com/users/ralouphie
asciilifeform: ^ first line
asciilifeform: errrr
asciilifeform: 35,27262583918438809041115707859552094539368770230430584687358134506121640506317758615496935289103866283412992070138437679293980862936888559277454600763678957936121883306583295446389672059121559627709482130105068000858098517047467055434007046765318063817820156572503333748070175735920968759291678776047203930469012621528394766017257380329751455844632428410729864955291746570495220129839655135964495208010769613035907638133736987330634018
asciilifeform: 543690531642899253867510380846920742051068969068530340640338283206293615805670504283769775279419742319025511765234665858177622092042378451508011044424237579901587726368161128690781507,Github.com SSH pubkey USER: TKChattoraj KEYID: 2108601 API: https://api.github.com/users/TKChattoraj
asciilifeform: ignore the 1st, malformed paste
asciilifeform: i.e. exponent, modulus, comment
mats: okie doke. i'm processing a proj sonar dataset with 1.7mn certs, would love suggestions on publicly available sets so i can skip scanning whole net
asciilifeform: what good are 'publicly available sets' ?
asciilifeform: gotta scan.
mats: ack
mats: nfi how much disk ima need
mats: ftr feralhosting takes btc, has spinning disk (and ssd on a different service tier) with tb+ storage, fat pipe, and unlimited traffic, for ten+ gbp a month
mats: been around for at least four years , popular in the torrent scene as a dedicated seedbox
ben_vulpes: thanks mats
ben_vulpes: wasn't there something in #trilema about a major torrent provider exiting the business?
mats: happens a lot but i don’t recall anything recent
mats: fh did get shut down by their isp and went a few months without service
mats: they’re up now though.
asciilifeform: lemme guess, 'takes btc' via shitpay ?
mats: sadly yes
mod6: Hi Pizarro
mod6: Can anyone guide me on the python mask part?
mod6: I added (probably stupidly): /etc/portage/package.use/python with the following lines:
mod6: PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7"
mod6: PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"
mod6: and i get an error on emerge --sync as "Invalid atom"
mod6: what am I doing wrong here? does the syntax need to be different, or am I putting this in the wrong place? i.e. needs to be in like some package.mask, or in make.conf ?
ben_vulpes: yeah it goes in /etc/portage/make.conf
mod6: awesome! thanks ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: package.use is for which flags you want a specific package compiled with (not that many ebuilds respect em these days, trinque has good kvetching on tap about the doc flag)
ben_vulpes: so you can put eg 'media-gfx/imagemagick jpeg kpeg2k png postscript raw svg' into package.use/imagemagick and it'll compile im with those flags
ben_vulpes: i think you can even specify different flags for different versions of a package if that's your bag but i've never done anything like that
mod6: ah, ok that kinda make sense from the name 'package.use' -- i found a gentoo doc that was talkig about PYTHON_TARGETS in that dir. was misleading at best.
ben_vulpes: nfi why it'd go in package.use, perhaps one of the greybeards knows
mod6: well, some of their syntax was indeed different. so i was just being dumb i guess.
mod6: there is only one package.use that i have currently, that's for sysklogd (from dpb's adventure)
danielpbarron: that's a very minor package.use
mod6: werd.
danielpbarron: not even sure if that's the way to go; i don't know much about system logging
mod6: so looks like by placing '>=sys-devel/gcc-5.0' in /etc/portage/package.mask/crapolade then doing the 'emerge -sync' and then a 'emerge -avuDN --with-bdeps=y @world' still installs a 6.4.0 version of gcc.
mod6: was hoping that it would simply install 4.9.4 so I don't have to finish the install, then downgrade the whole box
ben_vulpes: nope, it won't do that, and that won't work
ben_vulpes: you actually have to compile 5 with the 6 in stage 3, recompile everything on the machine with 5 for consistent application binary interfaces, and then do the same with 4
mod6: it seems hard to believe i did this before?
mod6: however, all my other gentoo boxes have 4.9.4 or similar 4.x
mod6: i only do this like once a year tho, so maybe just blocked it out
ben_vulpes: i doubt you did the walking back to 4.9.4 last time
ben_vulpes: and the glass had yet to be glued in anywhere near so determinedly even two years ago.
mod6: but the wreckers fuck it all up, is that right?
ben_vulpes: right, the upgrade march. stage3 now comes with gcc 6, python 3
mod6: fuckin assholes, this is horribru
ben_vulpes: so you gotta set PYTHON_TARGETS and PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET and then rebuild everything; generally that's the first thing i do.
ben_vulpes: 'tis the ethos of the time!
mod6: i may need a whole lotta help with this.
ben_vulpes: usually i start by carving python3 out of the system and then walking backwards
ben_vulpes: mod6: start with a clean install
danielpbarron: ah, i have an old stage3 i use
mod6: ok ive got one box with a pretty clean install. and another im actually re-installing right now. just about to do the genkernel now
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/08KFf/?raw=true << personal notes from recent exercises
mod6: danielpbarron: oh is that how you get to straight 4.9.4 without all the bullshit downgrading?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform and trinque i think have cannons that engentooize their targets instead of this hanky manual dance i do every time
ben_vulpes bbiab, post booms if you hit any mod6 i'll look when i get back
mod6: if danielpbarron says 'yes', then i've got an older 'stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-20170316.tar.bz2' i could use i suppose.
mod6: oh, i've also got a 'stage3-amd64-nomultilib-20150716.tar.bz2' one as well.
mod6: aight, well, fuck it, i'll just try the old ass one.
mod6: see where that gets me.
ben_vulpes: check gcc-config first thing after you chroot in
mod6: alright cool
mod6: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4
mod6: ftw
danielpbarron: i have never had to do downgrading that i'm aware of
danielpbarron: but i also haven't done a new install in many months
mod6: yeah , my last was march of '17 where it appears that i used a current one at the time: 20170316
mod6: but this one is the 'stage3-amd64-nomultilib-20150716.tar.bz2'
mod6: that i'm using now.
danielpbarron: i tried to do a debian the other day and for the first time ran into this gcc issue
mod6: yeah, its a huge pain, on ubuntu too
danielpbarron: i think it's the cause of eulora not working on osx as well
danielpbarron: which is what i'm currently attempting
mod6: i have half-a-mind to freeze this stage3 like all the other things
mod6: ah. yeah, im sure that's a battle.
ben_vulpes: mod6: look at trinque's cuntoo prototype before hauling off and freezing anything
ben_vulpes: http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/
mod6: werd, i'll unpack that stuff here too
ben_vulpes: but keep in mind that http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/#comment-8
mod6: ah ya, thanks.
mod6: doesn't look like this old stage3 is going to work either:
mod6: `emerge -avuDN --with-bdeps=y @world` says: !!! Your current profile is deprecated and not supported anymore. Use eselect profile to update your profile. Please upgrade to the following profile if possible: default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib
mod6: And after calculating deps it says, "!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=app-portatge/elt-patches-20170422" have been masked"
mod6: i tried to simply `emerge app-editors/vim` after this too, and it complained similarly as: "All ebuilds that could satisfy "app-editors/vim" have been masked."
mod6: If I update my profile to 17.0 (from 13.0) will this pull in all that nasty gcc6 shit?
mod6: oops
mod6: ok what the heck, i guess i'll find out ;eh
mod6: gcc config still says 4.8.4
mod6: looks like, nope, everything is still masked.
mod6: ugh.
mod6: i think gentoo is kaput.
mod6: Ok, I'm gonna take any further discussion out of here. If anyone wants to help unblock me, msg me and I'll invite you into #trilema-mod6.
mod6: Here's my test results of the fg hooked up to my rockchip: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DJzgc/?raw=true
jurov: mod6: just a minor comment - if you aren't using genkernel's initrd then genkernel is superfluous and adds a bunch of unnecessary dependencies,
lobbesbot: jurov: Sent 2 days, 10 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ajIrQ/?raw=true Take your time
jurov: kernel can install itself by make install && make modules_install
jurov: plus you'll add it to bootloader manually
mod6: ah, alright thanks jurov
mod6: I did get one of the boxes installed late lastnight with: stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib-20170316.tar.bz2. And it has x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.9.4 gcc ready to go, no downgrade dance.
mod6: I did have to emerge 133 ebuilds tho during install.
mod6: It seems that the 2015 stage3 that I have is too old, and EAPI complains about this. but was ok with the one from Q1 of last year.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-13#354792 << looks quite typical ( see the various dh threads )
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-13 01:52 mod6: Here's my test results of the fg hooked up to my rockchip: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DJzgc/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-13#354915 << i find that meaningful knob-twiddling on the kernel is ~impossible without menuconfig ( there's a mess of elaborately interlinked options , if you hand-tweak .config , you will end up text-prompted to fix or more often silent breakage
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-13 08:52 jurov: mod6: just a minor comment - if you aren't using genkernel's initrd then genkernel is superfluous and adds a bunch of unnecessary dependencies,
mod6: asciilifeform: I thought they looked alright. Just never saw one of the dieharder tests in 'FAILED' before either tho.
asciilifeform: mod6: every so often , you're guaranteed to ( esp the ones towards the bottom ), on acct of the retarded design of dh
mod6: *nod* ok. :]
mod6: thought it was a good idea to test it, and publish results for all to see.
asciilifeform: mod6: it is always and without exception a good idea to test. and to post.
asciilifeform: mod6: but important to remember that there is no standard of comparison to test ~against~, unfortunately.
asciilifeform: ( aside from fg, there are no unwhitened rng, afaik, on the market )
mod6: right.
mod6: Upon seeing the results myself, those were the three things I thought: there's nothing to compare to anyhow, does not whiten, and results otherwise looked alright.
asciilifeform: mod6: dh etc are only good for detecting gross failure, rather than comparing working units to one another
asciilifeform: sorta reminiscent of the iq test thread.
mod6: i think once, we even did a thing where I basically made a file full of null bytes.
mod6: then ran the DH & ent against it.
mod6: 100% fail, etc.
mod6: just to get a sort of baseline.
asciilifeform: nulls, or take a proper one and drop all bytes equal to $number, or various.
asciilifeform: will pick up misbauded serial port ( has effect resembling above ) and other gross malfunction
mod6: right, i think we even did it both ways, iirc. one with 1's, one with 0's.
mod6: BingoBoingo: hey, did i miss it? Were you able to get the package from DHL or is it still held hostage?
BingoBoingo: mod6: I am going to investigate more Monday and Wednesday. This is likely going to involve a trip to the airport
mod6: Ah.
BingoBoingo: If it is going to take a trip to the Airport then I will wait until Wednesday when I have a local cedula in hand
mod6: Hopefully your wait in line won't be that bad this time.
mod6: ben_vulpes asciilifeform : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IXi34/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mod6: both good ideas ; lessee what ben_vulpes thinks
mod6: ok cool, thanks asciilifeform
mod6: bbiab
BingoBoingo: This week once I'm confident I can do the sit-stand-squat-crawl dance I'm going to do an inventory of the bilge
mod6: Here is the "blog" post of the rockchip fg tests, posted to p.bvulpes.com earlier: http://www.mod6.net/2018/May/12/rockchip_fg_test.txt
mod6: ok nice, trb built on first shot with 1st of 2 new gentoo boxen
mod6: nearly done with the install of gentoo on box #2
jurov: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-13#354971 asciilifeform: that's some utter confusion there, genkernel and configuring the kernel are separate things
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-13 15:37 asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-13#354915 << i find that meaningful knob-twiddling on the kernel is ~impossible without menuconfig ( there's a mess of elaborately interlinked options , if you hand-tweak .config , you will end up text-prompted to fix or more often silent breakage
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-13 08:52 jurov: mod6: just a minor comment - if you aren't using genkernel's initrd then genkernel is superfluous and adds a bunch of unnecessary dependencies,
jurov: in other words, make menuconfig is stadard kernel facility, not dependent on gentoo's genkernel
ben_vulpes: mod6: i wholly endorse both
mod6: Alright, good deal. I'll write something up for you both before I send anything onwards.
mod6: (re: the first part)
mod6: ok awesome, boxen #2 complete with gcc 4.9.4, built from stage3 circa 20170316. trb built in one shot.
ben_vulpes: word
mats: anyone have suggestions for how to effectively scan ipv6 space or scrape www for ipv6 address strings
mats: so i can pull down an ssl cert or ssh pubkey
mats: i can't think of a trivial way to do this aside from doing a full scan or crawling whole www
ben_vulpes: is this in re the ssl cert reaping?
ben_vulpes: could use a fg to generate random numbers in the range; i'd be interested to see the distribution of ipv6addrs that respond on port 443 with a certificated httptron
mats: yes. i have 1/3mn x509 certs from scanning ipv4 in the last 90m
mats: i can't determine from rfc4880 the maxlen of a pgp user id, which will decide how many fields i can describe from a cert
mats: additionally, what kind of cert validation should i do after scanning completes
asciilifeform: mats: please leave ipv6 crapola alone until ALL of ipv4 has been scanned thoroughly and to exhaustion
asciilifeform: and possibly even then
asciilifeform: FUCK ipv6. NOTHING of any importance will ever hang off ipv6-only.
asciilifeform: mats: afaik there is no maximum string length in rfc4880.
mats: ok
asciilifeform: mats: Framedragger's scan, incidentally, was done with 'massscan' ( https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan )
asciilifeform: supposedly 'scan the entire Internet in under 6 minutes, transmitting 10 million packets per second' .
mats: oh, i used zmap to see whos listening on 443, and then a 30ln python script
asciilifeform: and covered 100% of ipv4 ?
mats: i think zmap did. i'm doing a second pass, at 2.6mn certs so far
asciilifeform: mats: other thing is, ideally we want the ssh keys to contain in comment string anything whatsoever known about the box, ~including~ any possible ~ssl~ key humanreadable info
asciilifeform: that was the main thing missing from Framedragger's ssh data set
mats: i can re do his work afterwards but idk what will happen to your result set
asciilifeform: i had to labouriously pry it out manually, from machines that -- in most cases -- were no longer to be found at the given up, when finally phuctored
mats: would you specify which fields from the cert exactly
asciilifeform: mats: nothing whatsoever will happen with old moduli, they will correctly show up as 'dupe' when submitted inside new keys
mats: theres 16 of them
asciilifeform: mats: all of them.
mats: and then some extension fields iirc
mats: okie dokie
asciilifeform: the 16 should be enuff to see what kind of box it was.
asciilifeform: as in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579076
asciilifeform: ^ example of fields
mats: as for validation
asciilifeform: if a ssh key is obtained from a box AND a ssl key also found, then the former should contain the strings from the latter, when submitted
asciilifeform: validation?
mats: cert validation
mats: should i check against openssl, or root browser stores, or anything
asciilifeform: dun see why, in particular
asciilifeform: if you have the disk space, save the whole thing
mats: ok. its light so far, about 10gb
asciilifeform: but we're only really interested in 1) rsa pubkeys 2) any accompanying human-readables 3) relation to other pubkeys (e.g. found on same ip)
asciilifeform: mats: if you have disk, also might not hurt to save title string from any http/https found listening on the box
mats: u got it
asciilifeform: ty
mats: golly i feel like an intern
asciilifeform: ( these, also put in the uid string of the generated keyz )
mats: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-15#356096 << if its the same n,e ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 17:21 asciilifeform: if a ssh key is obtained from a box AND a ssl key also found, then the former should contain the strings from the latter, when submitted
asciilifeform: no!!!!!
asciilifeform: if one box turns out to offer both ssl and ssh pubkeys
asciilifeform: then phuctor readers should be able to see this fact.
asciilifeform: i don't expect that the moduli will ever be identical, why would they
mats: trying to parse 'relation to other pubkeys'
asciilifeform: oh incidentally save the ssh client id string also plz.
asciilifeform: see, right now we have the problem , that in very few cases do we have any info re where a phuctored ssh key came from
asciilifeform: because there is nothing today at the ip that Framedragger scanned in 2016.
mats: i don't have a ton of familiarity with how the web works, so i'm looking for specific direction on what fields to scrape and discard
asciilifeform: btw the earlier example is a lucky exception, observe that openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 77.93.194.69:443 still returns
asciilifeform: the first line after 'Certificate chain' , the one with 'Snake...' , is what we want, re ssl.
mats: ok. do you have plans to nmap/fingerprint IPs on the broken set?
asciilifeform: the ssh id string, is what you get if you telnet 77.93.194.69 22 :
asciilifeform: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8
asciilifeform: mats: naa, takes too long.
asciilifeform: right now we'd like the bare essentials.
asciilifeform: 80/443/22
asciilifeform: and all pubkeys returned thereby, and all human strings in any way connected with same, in such a way that they show in all of the pertinent phuctor submissions
asciilifeform: makes sense >
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform: btw it isn't necessary actually to concat the strings
asciilifeform: IF you group the related moduli into one pgp-compat key
asciilifeform: if it isn't clear how to do this, post your script, i will help.
mats: its not clear and i'm in a car. how would i do that?
mats: public subkey without accompanying binding sigs?
asciilifeform: none of the phuctor submissions generated with pgpy ( Framedragger's, mine ) have any kind of binding sig; how would they
asciilifeform: ( i suppose for phuctored keys, i could generate such; given as they require possession of private key. but why bother. )
mats: right
asciilifeform: mats: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mKcwr/?raw=true << the current converter.
asciilifeform: i'ma bbl.
BingoBoingo: Have we looked hosting control panels that might cut down on the time needed to admin an influx of heathens yet? The options I found during BBisp era searching that aren't tied to debian/RedHat are virtualmin https://www.virtualmin.com/os-support and ISPConfig
ben_vulpes: i got pulled into the expediencies of setting apache up before putting too much time into those
BingoBoingo: It's something to be played with if anyone has hands and a gentoo box
BingoBoingo: And while it's quiet in chan, the local tax day this month is the 22nd
mod6: ok that's what, 7 days out?
mod6: how much is the tax this month?
BingoBoingo: It's 7 days out. It's the same as last time. BPS gets 4200 pesos and change which now with the cedula will deliver mutualista healthcare, DGI gets 850 pesos as "minimo IVA" (the small business alternative to the full 22% IVA)
BingoBoingo: Usually tax day's the 20th, but with the May 1st commie labor day holiday there's more time.
lobbes: btw congrats on cedula BingoBoingo
lobbes: annd I couldn't have gotten a rockchip at a better time: my damn heathen VPS is getting OOM errors while trying so start mysql lol
lobbes: only 512 M of alloted RAM, so that's where the $5/mo cuts
lobbes: ^^ possible selling point for the pizarro shared hosting; has 'alloted RAM per resident' been defined for the offering?
mats: the price sheet would benefit from precise listing of the board model, ROC-RK3328-CC , i don't see it anywhere
mats: and re: the amazon sourcing, it doesn't look like the distributor ever stocks the 4gb model, you have to go to their site and it takes 2 weeks to ship from shenzhen
mats: oh, i see this was covered in the #t buffer. my bad
BingoBoingo: I'm about to head down on a dive, anyone need anything?
ben_vulpes: not i
BingoBoingo: Also is there any progress on the non-US/non-UY corporation front for an IP allocation application?
BingoBoingo: http://www.lacnic.net/921/2/lacnic/lacnic-home << The people IPs come from
asciilifeform: mats: i've never yet laid hands on the 4GB board
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is still on the conveyor afaik
BingoBoingo: http://www.lacnic.net/1016/2/lacnic/ << /24's and /22's seem possible
danielpbarron: ok i got irssi working with perl
danielpbarron: only script that wouldn't load is dictcomplete.pl
danielpbarron: which i'm not surprised about
danielpbarron: apparently there was a tornado watch in CT, and relatedly my old irc comp went offline
danielpbarron: ironic considering i'm living in tornado alley
mod6: ah!
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The tornados and other midwestern weather weird appear to have followed me here.
Mocky: ben_vulpes: any news re http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-10#352625
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-08 23:28 ben_vulpes: Mocky: if pycgi is very important to you i will set it up, but i am on my way out right now
ben_vulpes: Mocky: i am terribly sorry to report that that slipped my mind entirely, i shall take care of it.
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/irssi-on-pizarro-shared-hosting/
BingoBoingo: May 16th, 2018 State of the Cabinet http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IfNr5/?raw=true
asciilifeform: oh hey !!
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: ty for the quality work, BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: #26 is smg spare, #23 -- snsa
BingoBoingo: ty for the clarification
BingoBoingo: Bonus of this adventure, an unallocated USB TTL cable was found
mats: debian struggles for 5+mins to produce a result from `ls -lfh dir/ | wc -l' in directories that have 8mn+ files
mats: odd that there's no inode metadata that tracks this already
BingoBoingo: http://www.comoimportar.com.uy
ben_vulpes: Mocky: cgi scripts are now working, terribly sorry for the delay
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-17#357383 << this is great BingoBoingo well done.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-16 23:32 BingoBoingo: May 16th, 2018 State of the Cabinet http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IfNr5/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what would it take to put disk quotas in place on the shared shell machine?
ben_vulpes: probably not a good use of your time, right?
Mocky: looks good ben_vulpes, thank you
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Security_Handbook/User_and_group_limitations#Quotas
shinohai: For those interested in lulz this evening: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/sec-announces-ico.html
asciilifeform: oh hey new blog, neato
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815157 << This appears to be a thing here too. The search will take some forcing, but it should be possible to cut the agencias out.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815210 << 2018, The Republic learns self care and organization
BingoBoingo: Crap, wrong window
asciilifeform: in other noose, i found that there is a commercial box that ships with 12 opteron mini-mobos , independently on backplanes, in 3u : Supermicro SYS-5038ML-H12TRF . ( about 5k usd , not incl disks , so not immediately 'sexy' from our pov, imho. unless someone finds in junkyard. )
asciilifeform: ( seems to come in intel variant also, apparently moar common )
asciilifeform: err, wrong model re opteron, is 3012MA-H12TRF .
asciilifeform: https://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/3U/3012/AS-3012MA-H12TRF.cfm .
mod6: mornin Pizarro!
mod6: Let's get some payments made today if we can -- BingoBoingo's tax deadline of the 20th looms.
BingoBoingo: Aite, this afternoon I am going to walk out and sign the papers to enroll in the healthcare.
mod6: Like, nowish or in 2 hours? Just curious as would like to see if we can get you a WU going or whatever for the tax thing.
mod6: That way, you may only have to go out once.
BingoBoingo: The WU pickup is close. ~8 minutes walking. The hospital is 1.5 hours-is rough trip at a leisurely pace. There's breathing room here.
mod6: Ah.
BingoBoingo: If the GPG gram with the magic pickup number arrives while I am walking elsewhere it's no big deal.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gimme 5min
asciilifeform: hey mod6 , is it still 1800 for nao ?
BingoBoingo: The same 1800 is fine for this month. Then when the personal recapitalization gets here I'll use the WU receipts to audition accountants for future business by getting the "Not going to starve in Uruguay" letter done for finishing the residency process
asciilifeform: ook
mod6: I believe so yes.
mod6: The good news is, I think we'll have not only the new 'personal recapitalization' in place by next month, but a different way to converert so asciilifeform doesn't have to bear the burden alone.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kmtnB/?raw=true
mod6: Many thanks asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: np
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gracias.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> The good news is, I think we'll have not only the new 'personal recapitalization' in place by next month, but a different way to converert so asciilifeform doesn't have to bear the burden alone. << Right, there are a lot of moving parts here that can be made more robust as Pizarro transitions from operating by putting out fires.
mod6: Agreed. We'll get there.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Acquired
mod6: Nice job, guise.
BingoBoingo: BRB, paying bills
mod6: *thumbsup*
mod6: bbs, .ua meat
BingoBoingo: Re: Last night's discussion http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#358030 Should I file a deedbot invoice for the equivalent of 5000 Unified Standard Dosiedoes now, or would you rather I wait until the end of the month.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-17 22:29 mod6: So, BingoBoingo : Sounds like we have most of a plan then.
mod6: Good question, ben_vulpes ?
BingoBoingo: And as far as the apartment search here's some sample listings in a small barrio near the datacenter, but far enough from the beach to be substantially cheaper for the space than my present barrio. https://inmuebles.mercadolibre.com.uy/apartamentos/alquiler/montevideo/villa-dolores/
mod6: I feel like ben_vulpes was trying to sort out maybe one last detail? Not sure. Otherwise, I think we're fine.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well, there was the monthly per diem bump as an ongoing, which is better sorted out sooner than later, and then there's the end of the year or other long term incentive which can wait quite a bit longer.
mod6: <+mod6> And I don't think it's whatever USD. Per the conversation it's $5000 USD worth of BTC right?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: go ahead and invoice now is fine
BingoBoingo: Right, that makes it simpler.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Aite
ben_vulpes: i'm happy to pay it without an invoice as part of payroll
mod6: Ok, and yeah, I think it was more of the longer-term thing that ben_vulpes may have been still doing some calculations on.
ben_vulpes: mod6: no that's the balance between end-of-year incentive and apartment costs
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'm more comfortable doing the invoice on this so there's the record this was settled, as asciilifeform has invoiced the WU. We have the tools.
mod6: Actually, it might be good to deed-ify this one. "$5000 (or 2/3rds) of total $75000 one-time-payment" or something to that extent
mod6: Agreed, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: I'll put the log link in the memo
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: works
mod6: bah, not $75000, $7500, extra zero in there.
ben_vulpes: mod6: surely there's an extra zero in there
mod6: ok sounds good BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: aha
mod6: Sorry guys, moving quickly here... lol.
mod6: asciilifeform BingoBoingo ben_vulpes : What's our current plan / status on wire-payment to the DC?
BingoBoingo: I am not yet aware.
mod6: Alright, thanks. We'll let the other gentlemen chime in.
douchebag: Okay, so this is a fresh rockchip box. I installed nginx on it but aside from that I haven't really done much
mod6: Ok, cool. Did you set the system clock manually?
douchebag: No, I'm trying to figure out how to do that but right now I'm only getting results for systemd
mod6: i believe i did this, with the `date` command.
mod6: check the man page on that there, i'll look too in a minute or three.
mod6: I think it's basically:
mod6: date 05201433302018
mod6: 14:33:30 2018.05.20
mod6: right?
douchebag: i got it
douchebag: Alright, next up - installing php-fpm and mysql
mod6: well, try one and see how it goes now that the time is set.
douchebag: alrighty
mod6: any luck?
mod6: I'll bbl, otheres may be around to help ya douchebag .
douchebag: forsure, right now I'm just syncing emerge
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-20#359426 << i'ma send it out tomorrow. still waiting for ben_vulpes to eat my prev invoice tho
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-20 17:43 mod6: asciilifeform BingoBoingo ben_vulpes : What's our current plan / status on wire-payment to the DC?
mod6: asciilifeform: ah, ok. im sure Mr. Vulpes will send as soon as he returns.
douchebag: mod6: You around by any chance
mod6: for a moment.
mod6: how can I help?
douchebag: I'm having a bit of an issue getting a php webserver running on my pizarro box
douchebag: I'm starting to learn how different gentoo is than many other linux distros
mod6: hm, well did the build complete?
douchebag: yes it completed
douchebag: http://161.0.121.194/
douchebag: You can see right here it is running, but it is not rendering php
mod6: hmm, i cant help you much more than that tbh. i haven't run php since 05 or whatever
mod6 looks
douchebag: I haven't used php since around 2012, I primarily use Python's flask framework for my web development projects
mod6: ah, sure. honestly, no clue at all. im sure one of the other Gentlmen would be able to help better.
douchebag: Forsure, thanks anyway man
mod6: Ok, good luck!
asciilifeform: douchebag: are you using apache ?
douchebag: Right now I have both apache and nginx installed
asciilifeform: gotta add php to the USE flags, when building it, or you won't have mod_php
asciilifeform: ( nginx has no equiv of mod_php, see the #pizarro logs re the pain of using php with it )
douchebag: You mean in the /etc/conf.d?
asciilifeform: douchebag: nope
douchebag: or in emerge?
asciilifeform: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/USE_flag
asciilifeform: they're typically in /etc/portage/make.conf
douchebag: In the use flags I have both php and mysql
asciilifeform: douchebag: did you do this prior to building apache ?
asciilifeform: if not, gotta re-emerge it
douchebag: What should I do to re emerge?
asciilifeform: same thing as 1st time
douchebag: alrighty
asciilifeform: douchebag: USE flags are ~the~ central concept of gentoo, i recommend becoming familiar with the idea
asciilifeform: ( in short, rather than having to ./configure --no-pig-fucking --no-sheep-fucking && make && make install , as you would elsewhere, or in heathen binariolade linuxen where you e.g. apt-get blah and it came prebuild with pig- and sheep- fucking and you have no choice, instead all you gotta do is to remove FUCKPIGS and FUCKSHEEP from your USE flags, supposing you had put it in for whatever reason, and re-emerge the affected packages. )
asciilifeform: *prebuilt
douchebag: Ooh interesting
douchebag: Yeah, everyone I know who has used gentoo for a long time seems to love it. However, it seems that the consensus is that there's a bit of a learning curve
asciilifeform: observe what is in your /etc/portage/make.conf now, in the USE flags setting. it is not empty, it contains things that i have put there
asciilifeform: that bans poettering
douchebag: Alright, I re-emerged with the USE flag added. Still isn't loading the php webpage
douchebag: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/x8jwg/?raw=true
asciilifeform: what happens when you try e.g. https://www.garron.me/en/bits/phpinfo-script-test-php-apache.html ?
asciilifeform: ( all i see in your paste is that apache restarted , with grumbling, nothing catastrophic )
asciilifeform: douchebag: did you follow the instructions in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/PHP#Apache_.28mod_php.29 ?
douchebag: http://161.0.121.194/phpinfo.php
asciilifeform: aa yea you probably didn't
asciilifeform: add the APACHE2_OPTS thing
asciilifeform: and build php with the apache2 USE flag, as described in the link
asciilifeform bbl,food
douchebag: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Vm6f7/?raw=true
lobbes: btw esthlos made a nifty guide for mpwp on gentoo >> http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
douchebag: ooh thanks
douchebag: I have no idea what I'm doing wrong
douchebag: The webserver is running, but php is not enabled
shinohai: gm #pizarro
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Mornin'
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 14 hours and 54 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/20/how-do-you-want-to-be-memorialized/#comment-115095
mod6: How goes today?
BingoBoingo: Not bad at all. Another day with sun.
mod6: Ah, that's nice, glad the sun came out for ya. It's been raining a lot, ya?
BingoBoingo: It threatens too.
BingoBoingo: Still the cold here is milder than November back in Estados Unidos
mod6: Yeah, I imagine.
BingoBoingo: But, still survivingg
mod6: *thumbsup*
BingoBoingo: Do we still have one rockchip available?
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mod6: BingoBoingo: I believe so. ben_vulpes, can you verify that for me?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: aha
BingoBoingo: I would like to rent it. Shoot me an invoice for three months
ben_vulpes: will do
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: done
ben_vulpes: aand we're sold out
mod6: Ok cool!
BingoBoingo: Invoice paid.
mod6: ty!
mod6: BingoBoingo: how's it going with the landing page that you started? Are you adding more to it? (I'm just trying to catch up here).
mod6: If so, do you want/need any help?
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aeAphel: douchebag
aeAphel: mats
aeAphel: TomServo
mod6: lol
mod6: well, let's talk soon about turning on +m in here.
BingoBoingo: mod6: I can't think of anything else to add to the landing page. I am giving the rest of the pizarro text a read and digesting it.
BingoBoingo: Also working on a writeup of the real estate situation in Montevideo
mod6: BingoBoingo: Ok, your original draft posted to the drinkingrecord.com needs a section about the rockchips and co-location, imho.
mod6: But it's pretty close to being something we can use.
mod6: <@BingoBoingo> Also working on a writeup of the real estate situation in Montevideo << cool
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well it has text for that: "Need Something More?
BingoBoingo: If your needs include still more power, storage, or separation, Pizarro offers colocation and dedicated single board servers. Inquire in #Pizarro on Freenode."
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mka6S/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: I can work on a Rockchip ad text, but considering we are sold out this doesn't seem like a good time to send it live
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Muchas Gracias
mod6: I see your point, but a nice section for each is pretty decent. The rockchip section could even say, "limited supply - currently sold out"
mod6: And when we get more down there, then we can update it.
BingoBoingo: Aite
BingoBoingo: Draft rewrite of the good neighbor policy http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/draft-pizarro-isp-good-neighbor-policy-rewrite/
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819130 && http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819137 dev-lang/php-5.6.35-r1 built on my rockchip, will bake a narration/blogpost
diana_coman: oh hey, that sounds very useful, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: ^attn lobbes
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I haven't assembled the rest of my stack yet, so I have yet to see if the php works, but it built
diana_coman: it's certainly one step further than 5.6.34 did anyway
BingoBoingo: This is also my first adventure with portage, so I would appreciate having the process read for sanity. Paste heavy post baking.
diana_coman: I'll read and say if there's anything I can spot; re portage though I'm not very experienced either
mod6: Thanks BingoBoingo :]
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/learning-portage-together-building-php-5-6-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/
BingoBoingo: Comments from seasoned gentooists appreciated
shinohai: !~blocks
lobbesbot: shinohai: Sent 3 days, 23 hours, and 56 minutes ago: <lobbes> why no comments allowed on yer blog?
lobbesbot: shinohai: Sent 1 day, 4 hours, and 45 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Possibly of interest? http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/27/dumpster-fires-not-just-a-metaphor/
jhvh1: shinohai: 524883
Vexual: bitchin' build blog BingoBoingo
lobbes: it's a hit!
Vexual: has anyone else ever offered hosting this type of computer?
Vexual: not just for feeding the cat while you duck off to pattaya anymore
mats: i recall an outfit in .fr offering cubieboard colo in 2015 but it didn’t work out for them
shinohai: Buenas dias mats, #pizzaro
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818455 <<< http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/blog-notes-1.html
shinohai: ^ for lobbes
mod6: Mornin Pizarro
shinohai: heya mod6 how goes
mod6: hey shinohai, alright, I've had a cold kickin my ass for the last week. and yesterday was 101 F. otherwise, not bad :]
mod6: you?
mod6: Vexual: no, not as far as I know.
shinohai: Sorry to hear you are sick again. Went camping with a girl for holiday weekend, though camping turned into hotel because of rain.
mod6: Thanks, I'm getting better slowly here.
mod6: Ah from camping to glamping. Never a bad deal to get out of the rain.
shinohai: We were at Lake Oconee, there's a nice KOA there with amnesties, or you can upgrade to this: http://www.ritzcarlton.com/en/hotels/georgia/reynolds
shinohai: All in all it's a nice place, very quiet and relaxed.
shinohai: s/amnesties/amenities/ (spellcheck, am mobile)
mod6: jeeze, that looks nice :]
shinohai: Pretty good sized national forest nearby, so plenty of hiking and fishing to do when weather is agreeable.
mod6: Right on, one of these days I've gotta do something like that.
shinohai: We are definitely going back in a few weeks when nicer weather is forecast for a longer stay.
mod6: hey nice!
mod6: i really miss camping/hiking out west. i'd like to do that again one of these times.
shinohai: Oh boy I haven't been desert camping in ages, but love that too.
mod6: (I like it a lot, and, a lot less bugs)
shinohai: Yeah mosquitoes are terrible because lake, but I packed along plenty of enprotect
mod6: Right on. Yeah, I hate the sons of bitches.
mod6: I looked semi-crazy trying to kill them all in the hotel lobby at c3.
mod6: Killing mosquitoes is kind-of a sport for me.
shinohai imagines mod6 sitting about in retirement with a uv bug zapper .....
mod6: Heheh.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> All in all it's a nice place, very quiet and relaxed. << In January you want to go to Cabo Polonia para ver los lobos marinos
shinohai: I've heard Cabo Polonia looks like a trailer park on the beach tho.
BingoBoingo: It's a nature preserve.
BingoBoingo: I have yet to go, but of the eastern beach destinations here it is consistently the favorite among the tourists
lobbes: Oh hey, cool shinohai. I look forward to the comment-via-bot feature
BingoBoingo: Update on various searchings, tomorrow visiting two apartments as part of the real estate investigation.
mod6: Ok good deal
mod6: Let's try to get that landing page posted in the next 24 hours too if we can.
mod6: Then the sales can begin.
BingoBoingo: Shared hosting and revised good neighbor policy pages are live
ben_vulpes: thanks BingoBoingo
mod6: cheers!
lobbes: Looks like this is still the draft version (or am I slow and it is supposed to be the draft?) >> http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/
ben_vulpes: huh, yeah, BingoBoingo did you clobber what i put in there with the draft from your website?
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
ben_vulpes: i'm going to restart apache on UY1 to clean up some log barf related to timezones
mod6: Thanks for the notification.
ben_vulpes: aight, done
ben_vulpes: and with that, if anyone's desperate to get logs of their own shared hosting in their own userdir, drop me a note and i'll take care of that for you
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sorry about that, fixed
mod6: mornin Pizarro
BingoBoingo: mornin
mod6: how goes today?
BingoBoingo: Not bad at all
mod6: good deal
BingoBoingo: Also in my reasearching found a short form description of the Uruguayo rental process which I was under the impression did not exist http://www.mooving.com.uy/pasos-alquilar-propiedad
mod6 looks
mod6: Ah, ok interesting. Probably good to find to avoid surprises such as VAT (as seen)
trinque: just realized my bouncer hadn't reconnected here when it restarted.
mod6: wb Sir
trinque: hola mod6
mod6: how goes trinque ?
trinque: very well. just hacking away in the mines, yourself?
mod6: right on. yeah, similar.
BingoBoingo: Rapidly changine work in progress visual overhaul http://161.0.121.252/
shinohai: Gentle reminder that today is last day of jhvh1 operation, and thus my exit from Republican affairs. To all that mattered: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/adios-o-la-bifurcacion.html
mod6: Alright shinohai, thanks for your work over the years, Sir.
mod6: Nice 'adios' post.
shinohai: ty mod6 o7
mod6: o7
asciilifeform: i for one am sad to see you go, shinohai .
shinohai: Thanks asciilifeform, am sad to go tbh but que sera, sera neh?
asciilifeform: shinohai: if you ever feel like returning -- my rating for you , presently, stands.
shinohai: Thanks again, I will certainly still be reading logs from time to time and watching for trb updates.
trinque has also rated, stands.
lobbes: Good luck shinohai o7. Likewise, if you decide to return one day I will most likely re-rate. Otherwise, sad to see ya go
BingoBoingo: Good luck shinohai
shinohai: ty trinque, BingoBoingo
shinohai: As for lobbes, I care little for your ratings or whatever other thoughts you may harbor - I haven't forgotten that < 2 years ago you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2016#1449250 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449253, which indicates to me you are little more than a yeasayer. I can find your type on reddit all day long.
lobbes: I have never held pretense to the contrary that I am retarded and working to change it. Think what you will. I'll still judge you positively
lobbes: Based on causes!
BingoBoingo: Attn ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform Candidate Pizarro web redesign has reached a fairly stable point. Suggestions? http://161.0.121.252/
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: there's a stray <ul><li> above the Pages header in the sidebar
ben_vulpes: <li> with no enclosing <ul> looks like. class "pagenav"
ben_vulpes: otherwise spartan, i like it
BingoBoingo: ty, I will look for what's shitting that out
mod6: Looks pretty slick.
BingoBoingo: AHA, the <?php wp_list_pages('title_li=<h2>Pages</h2>' ); ?> shits its output enclosed in <li> tags
BingoBoingo: Aite, side bar issue is fixed, keep the pokes coming
mod6: nice, i like the green & black :]
BingoBoingo: Playing with CSS atm, trying to get the top nav green
mod6: cool
BingoBoingo: Alright, I think I got the top ready to tarball this theme. Please poke around the Pizarro statements and posts to make sure there's nothing weird
mod6: back to the blue 'eh :D
mod6: looks nice tho
BingoBoingo: It's a gentler popping out over the black. The green's sharp enough it was tempting my eye's spam filter.
BingoBoingo: Just kinda kicked my eyes down off the header. The blue's more inviting
mod6: Yeah, no worries.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possible to center the body of the pg in the horizontal ?
asciilifeform: either that, or glue the right sidebar to the top of the vertical
asciilifeform: because it being in the very bottom, under kilometer of text, is barbaric.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How many pixels is this screen across?
asciilifeform: shouldn't ever matter.
BingoBoingo: The way it's set now it reflows on screens under 800 pixels wide. It's a reflow rule inherited from Qntra/other blogs. Since the menu is more important here will try to rectify it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/screenshit.jpg
asciilifeform: this is absolutely nogood.
asciilifeform: and should never happen on any screen at all.
asciilifeform: qntra does not do this.
BingoBoingo: It used to. Note that when Qntra reflows on narrow screens it too kicks the sidebar to the bottom. Will dig to see what is does differently.
asciilifeform: this is not a narrow screen by any reasonable definition
asciilifeform: ( i.e. it is 1440 px wide )
asciilifeform: and if your thing uses the proportion of horizontal to vertical , or for that matter looks at the vertical height for any purpose at all, shame.
asciilifeform: you can take my tall display from my cold dead hands.

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