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2018-4-16 | 2018-4-18

ascii_lander: hola folxx
ascii_lander: trinque can you also ssh to 250 via 251 ?
trinque: indeed, I'm in. anything interesting you'd like me to run from 250?
trinque: he cannot ping outside world
ben_vulpes: ah, i was unuseful then.
ascii_lander: what's yer /etc/conf.d/net.eth0 look like, trinque ??
ben_vulpes: apologies, bb, ascii_lander
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: dun cry
ascii_lander: we'll cure.
ascii_lander: trinque: specifically i'd like to know if your gateway is set properly
ben_vulpes: well hm at least i signaled that it could not be pung from outside world correctly; misread for half a sec that it was configured to ignore outside world.
ascii_lander: trinque: plox pgpgram ( to ascii_lander ) your /etc/conf.d/net.eth0
trinque: ascii_lander: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vZXQI/?raw=true
ascii_lander: danke schon
trinque: however, route looks like it has no gateway
ascii_lander: nono that's correct
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/k4D7s/?raw=true
trinque: yeah but lookit route output
ascii_lander: the 'routes_eth0' is the gateway
trinque: yeah but in route, gateway is 0.0.0.0
trinque: which is mega-strange
ascii_lander: hmmm
ascii_lander: in dulap's route, it's .193
trinque: yup, I deleted and added back in by hand, works, can ping out, can ping in.
ascii_lander: bahaha
trinque: omfg gentoo bug
ascii_lander: any other q folx ?
ascii_lander: or elsewise we go and eat
trinque: imma reboot the fucker, see what gateway comes up
trinque: ascii_lander: enjoy and thanks very much!
ascii_lander: trinque: plz reboot 1st
ascii_lander: and ~then~ say
trinque: k but I can get to it from the other
ascii_lander: ook
trinque: rebooted
ascii_lander: and...?
trinque: and same behavior from outside, but can ping from inside
trinque: I'll figure it out, problem is clearly on the box
trinque: heh, when I restart net.eth0, I get the right route table
mod6: evenin'
mod6: < ascii_lander> or elsewise we go and eat << nice work! get some steaks!
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: around ?
ascii_lander: how the fuck didja install gentoo with that boot stick of yours ?
ascii_lander: it doesn't see the 3ware raid on the smg box
ascii_lander: which is booted, running, and not gentooizable today because you left us with this thing (even boots into kde, lol)
ascii_lander: i'm apparently stuck making a new one tomorrow
ben_vulpes: ascii_lander: i'll be back after dinner
trinque: man. I know it's not your problem (except if it bites you later), but I have never seen this thing where gentoo just refuses to set the default route
trinque will report back when he figures out why
mod6: that really is strange.
mod6: when you set it directly on the interface with ifconfig, does it not take?
mod6: or just drops it out for some reason?
trinque: drops at boot; I think I know why
trinque: dhcpcd was enabled at boot, appears to have been fighting for control of the interface
trinque: I don't recall enabling this, might've been a default?
trinque: at any rate removing it with rc-update keeps the route from disappearing
trinque: oddly dhcpcd service is also enabled on the other node, where the route did not disappear
trinque: so, maybe there's probability involved, timing
trinque: mystery solved
mod6: ahhhh
mod6: nice
ben_vulpes: ascii_lander: i don't know why it's not finding the raid card for you, it worked for me just fine last time
ben_vulpes: iirc bb plugged it in, got my keys on the box and i went to town on the raid freely
ben_vulpes: ascii_lander: what is the rockchip specific model?
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: you had shitraid iirc, not 3ware, correct ?
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: re rockchip -- it's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792521
ben_vulpes: cool ty
ben_vulpes: ascii_lander: uy1 has a hardraid afaik
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: possibly your stick is not to blame -- i suspect a bios oops
ascii_lander: will check tomorrow
ben_vulpes: i would not put it past me to have accidentally a softraid, but do not think that i actually did so this time
ascii_lander: nono i suspect that i have the pill.
trinque: ben_vulpes: if you didn't cast mdadm spells, ain't a softraid
trinque: then there's dmraid, which is the "hybrid" quasiraid which duped me (and I didn't bother using)
ascii_lander: naah pretty sure it was me forgetting to set 'pcie expander as 2x8 lane' instead of '1x16'
ascii_lander: ^ a mandatory voodoo for this whole series of box
mats submits name for interest in rockchiprental
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TnPaf/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: bit behind, but now that i've got the wp folks happy and a price basis for mod6 and asciilifeform to argue with me about i'll cut invoices in the am
ben_vulpes: otherwise, completely blasted, ttyl
mod6: night ben_vulpes!
mod6: mornin'
ascii_lander: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-17#336946 << ben_vulpes, imho this is starvation-level lowball. your figures do not factor in the cost of ~building out~ the plant, i.e. building new rockchiptrons.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-17 05:19 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TnPaf/?raw=true
mod6: ben_vulpes: ok thanks for the paste, I checked this out lastnight, but need to run through it again
ascii_lander: unless i'm thick
mod6: yeah, I thought pretty cheap myself.
ascii_lander: and i will say again , that to base the cost on '1u rental price' is lunacy
ascii_lander: it is completely unjustified to make the assumption 'we can sell each 1u'
ascii_lander: i would also like to put in the record that i oppose giving douchebag ANYTHING for free, and if it were up to me, i would not even want him as a paying customer
ascii_lander: the way the routing is currently done, he can easily cause a dos headache for paying customers
ascii_lander: and we fucking do not need this.
ascii_lander: any of it.
ascii_lander: and in fact i fucking hate his face.
ascii_lander: and there is a neg waiting for him as soon as i get back to my cockpit.
mod6: Understood.
mod6: < ascii_lander> and we fucking do not need this. << i said this before too, we do NOT need any of that nonsense.
ascii_lander: aha
ascii_lander: that being said, when i get home i will investigate what it'd take, iron and soft- wise, to fully isolate boxen from one another on the lan
ascii_lander: right now ip assignment is a 'honour system'
mod6: *nod*
ascii_lander: and any occupant of the rack can easily squat on ip not given to him, or collide with others deliberately
mod6: yeah, would be nice to lock that down.
ascii_lander: will require a much moar complicated (and costly) switch tho.
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: re rockchip -- i suggest to gauge demand at the 75 $ level.
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: with discount offered for advance subscription (e.g. quarterly)
mod6: I was gonna say, 100 Dollars.
ascii_lander: make 100 the base price, 75 if paid for whole quarter
mod6: fair enough.
BingoBoingo: If we want to make a bet on fx risk could try a bigger discount for longer rents. 60/month for 1 year. 50/month for 2 years.
ascii_lander: it is also necessary to spell out in the contract, how much and what type of hand-cranked maintenance the subscriber is entitled to
mod6: Yeah, not a bad idea either.
ascii_lander: to avoid tears later
mod6: ascii_lander: aha, that too. different sla levels.
mod6: redundancy department of redundancy.
mod6: i need coffee, brb
ben_vulpes: ascii_lander: the cost basis includes very specifically the cost of the hardware
ben_vulpes: there is an additional line item for the rent
ben_vulpes: anyways that's just the cost basis, 100/mo or 75 if paid quarterly works for me
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-17#337043 << nobody's getting anything for free
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-17 14:26 ascii_lander: i would also like to put in the record that i oppose giving douchebag ANYTHING for free, and if it were up to me, i would not even want him as a paying customer
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-17#337044 << what'd it entail to make a routing setup such that this was not the case?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-17 14:26 ascii_lander: the way the routing is currently done, he can easily cause a dos headache for paying customers
ben_vulpes: ah, just a line down.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-17#337044 << same high level "good neighbor" rules will apply to rockchippen, anyone who makes a mess on the shop floor faces summary ejection
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-17 14:26 ascii_lander: the way the routing is currently done, he can easily cause a dos headache for paying customers
ascii_lander: anybody remember how to change dns server WITHOUT /etc/resolv.conf and interface restart ??
ben_vulpes: not i
trinque: isn't it /etc/conf.d/net that requires the interface restart?
trinque: pretty sure edits to resolv.conf happen immediately unless you have a cache involved somewhere
ascii_lander: trinque: they do not.
ascii_lander: definitely not immediate.
ascii_lander: and no cache anywhere, this is a livecd
trinque: are. just tested on the box I'm on.
ascii_lander: well not so here.
trinque: the libc reads that doesn't it, hasn't to do with the interface
trinque shrugs
ascii_lander: and ben_vulpes i am curious how you installed lilo from that bootstick, it's got no lilo
ben_vulpes: ascii_lander: grub
ben_vulpes: is grub under fatwa?
ascii_lander: fatwa
ben_vulpes: link to log line where fatwa was proclaimed so i may be duly shamed
ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=grub
ben_vulpes already read
ascii_lander: currently everything stuck because of the rubbish boot usb ben_vulpes supplied
ascii_lander: can't set nameserver, ergo can't emerge lilo
ben_vulpes: somehow i managed to emerge a whole pile of * with that rubbish usb
ben_vulpes: from another continent
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: plz try and recall how you gave it a nameserver ?
ben_vulpes: copied /etc/resolv.conf into a chroot, chrooted in, emerged packages
ascii_lander: i get 'unknown host...' eggogs no matter what i put in the /etc/resolv.conf
ascii_lander: and strace shows that it ~does~ read it
ascii_lander: and then ignores anyway
ben_vulpes has no further idea
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: you do not recall how you gave it nameserver ?
ascii_lander: or did you immediately have what to chroot into
ascii_lander: ( i do not )
ben_vulpes: cp -L /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/gentoo/etc/resolv.conf
ascii_lander: did this.
ascii_lander: 0 result.
ben_vulpes: i followed http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt very nearly to the letter, with minor changes to the mount flags
ben_vulpes: and a different stage3
ben_vulpes: and a different livedbd image
ben_vulpes: ascii_lander: what happened to making a fresh usb http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-17#336681 ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-17 00:52 ascii_lander: i'm apparently stuck making a new one tomorrow
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: made the mistake of 'turns out it was only my mistake with raid config, should be able to use ben_vulpes's stick'
ascii_lander: ook found workaround
BingoBoingo: Over here in the bird's nest I am awed that ascii_lander manages to do thinkwork in the fanzone
mod6: i suspect, much like me, alf worked in a datacenter exclusivly for extended periods of time.
mod6: i literally worked in a datacenter between 2003 and 2008.
mod6: i used to nap on the exaust side.
mod6: (the warm air makes you sleepy!)
mod6: :D
mod6: one thing I do not miss about that work is pulling FC cables under the floor. these dc floors were like 300'x300'.
mod6: and going all the way across is a gigantic bitch when pulling those things.
mod6: so brittle, & catch on everything.
BingoBoingo: Eventually we probably ought to find a way to organize the bilge
ascii_lander: soo possibly we are doomed to use grub on this box
ascii_lander: theoretically lilo supports gpt, but the version i have here barfs no matter how it is set up
ascii_lander: ( on dulap , disk is small enuff to use mbr , trad. partition scheme )
mod6: thanks for the update.
ascii_lander: grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `aufs'
ascii_lander: this is from outside of chroot (running off usb stick)
ascii_lander: whereas from inside of chroot, no go, because:
ascii_lander: no grub utils installed ever on dulap.
ascii_lander: 'aufs' is the ramdisk thing the usb stick creates
mod6: this is weird.
mod6: were you able to make a new usb boot disk?
mod6: (i saw you went with grub, et. al. just wondering if that boot disk is foobar, and needs clean one)
ascii_lander: oook finally
ascii_lander: oook done
ascii_lander: BingoBoingo: i'ma head to your haus nao
BingoBoingo: Aite
BingoBoingo: ascii_lander: Actually I will walk the obvious intercept course
adlai won't pretend to start a bidding war, but it does seem as though at the very least some sorta "five moles popped up heads and we have six hammers" would help Vexual sleep better
adlai: the prices mentioned before seem within the range of reasonable affordability, although i've not combed the desert for full machine specifications - if those were even dropped anywhere.

2018-4-16 | 2018-4-18