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2018-1-31 | 2018-3-1

mod6: nice!
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: i dun see the link to the log in http://logs.bvulpes.com tho
asciilifeform: is there supposed to be one ?
ben_vulpes: getting there
asciilifeform: aite
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro
asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey lbj
asciilifeform: seems to work.
ben_vulpes: appears, neh
ben_vulpes: gonna give freenode a few minutes before i re-log the other channels, but otherwise in business
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: have you unsnarled wp-admin yet?
shinohai: neat
mod6: ben_vulpes: looking good.
asciilifeform: time to invite folx in ?
ben_vulpes: may as well; let's get the website in the topic and knock knock BingoBoingo what's the story with wp-admin
asciilifeform: ( or at least trinque, his current q would definitely benefit from being loggable )
trinque: howdy folks
mod6: This is the spot.
asciilifeform: welcome trinque !
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i recommend to put the logtron url in subjline of the chan
asciilifeform: can replace later with the www
mod6: lemme do that
trinque: wanted to know the per-rack-unit wattage allocation
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc it was 2.5 kW , and specified in BingoBoingo's contract with the rack supplier. but will have to ask for BingoBoingo to confirm this.
asciilifeform: per rack, that is
asciilifeform: i might be misparsing trinque's q
ben_vulpes: trinque: wants to know how many watts he can pull himself
trinque: correct
trinque: looked like 2.5kW and hundy per extra kW in the contract, if my orcish checks out
trinque: (allocated to the whole rack)
ben_vulpes: yeah, what do you want to pull? we can always get moar powah
trinque: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-A-Server-1022TC-TF-1U-2-Node-H8DCT-F-4x-C32-AMD-Opteron-4000-Series/192423943653?hash=item2ccd5c5de5:g:gbYAAOSwkV5aVrTH << am eyeing this apparently 920W beast, would like to know the monthly rate for the U, and then can consider whether to spring for the extra kW
asciilifeform: trinque: it ain't pulling 920W , that's the rated max draw
asciilifeform: for instance the ill-fated dulap-III has a rated ps of 1kW, but pulls 150W at full load.
asciilifeform: i dun think there is in existence a 1u comp that pulls anywhere near 900W during actual operation.
asciilifeform: short of those test load boxes they make for electric chairs.
trinque: didn't think so, but it's all I saw listed
asciilifeform: ( where fan + resistor )
ben_vulpes: trinque: how about we do a load test once it's in, measure current draw and revisit if it's extraordinary?
trinque: ben_vulpes: got the tool at castle to check the actual draw on this thing?
trinque: sounds great
ben_vulpes: can be had, yeah?
trinque: sure, "kill-a-watt" or w/e on plug
asciilifeform: trinque: you can estimate using the power draw of the cpu, times 1.5 or so
asciilifeform: generally with amd boxes this gets you within 20%
trinque: great, will pull trigger on this shortly.
ben_vulpes: mahvelous
asciilifeform: looks like a very spiffy box
asciilifeform: similar to the sad mp ones
asciilifeform: but moarcpu
ben_vulpes: that fills the courier run. 2 foundation machines, 1 trinquebox, and 1 pizarrobox for timesharting
asciilifeform: yay
ben_vulpes: speaking of, asciilifeform plox to pick ebay box for delivery to yours truly
asciilifeform: this is for the timesharing ?
asciilifeform: ( i need to know which param to optimize for )
trinque: box incoming to castle vulpes
asciilifeform: also i must note, paypal throws fits when you try to buy an item for a 'nontraditional' postage addr. so it may be ben_vulpes's turn to use up some fiatola
ben_vulpes: trinque: gracias, keep me poasted on diskstatus as well
ben_vulpes: what is nontraditional asciilifeform ?
trinque: those will ship separately and likely arrive first, but both before the required date
trinque afk for a bit
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i meant, other than the one i'm billed at
ben_vulpes: eg buy at one addr ship to another?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: it sets off alarm, gets yer account wedged
trinque: ben_vulpes: just not in same crate as the 1U
asciilifeform: i will happily select a box for ben_vulpes to purchase however
ben_vulpes: yaok i can swing a shitbuck or or so for a server
asciilifeform: which role is this box intended for ?
ben_vulpes: timesharing sil vous plait
asciilifeform: ok coming right up
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1U-Supermicro-Server-H8DGU-F-2x-AMD-Opteron-6376-16-Core-Total-32-Cores-128GB/132505235945
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these ship diskless, if this wasn't clear from the summary
asciilifeform: ( as a rule, ~nobody ever wants to buy secondhand disks )
asciilifeform: sorta like no one buys old tooth brush
ben_vulpes: excellent
ben_vulpes: why are opterons so plentiful, and why are they so superior to intel chips?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i historically like'em, because -- until recently -- it was possible to use linuxbios with them
asciilifeform: they also have support for ecc ram ( *all* amd products do, but not every mobo implements. intel only supports in xeon, and artificially cripples all other chips they sell to remove ecc )
asciilifeform: i also like that amd released the chipset docs without nda bullshit ( also until quite recently )
asciilifeform: now to answer the q of why plentiful. opteron was well-represented in server market. possibly even today is.
ben_vulpes: server purchased
asciilifeform: yay
ben_vulpes: estimated arrival march 1st, so i'll book 1.5 d for provisioning
asciilifeform: be sure to obtain disks.
ben_vulpes: next q; samsungs yes? what's the place to get those
asciilifeform: i usually get'em from ordinary 'amazon' . but if ben_vulpes has a personal preference for somewhere else , works just as well, this is an item that costs ~same ~errywhere
asciilifeform: keep in mind that the 'pro' variant of the samsung costs approx 1.5x moar and lasts, in principle, 2x as long
asciilifeform: but at this point we are a 'cost-sensitive' co.
asciilifeform: i will recommend the use of *conventional* samsungs, in a raid5 arrangement, with the understanding that disks will occasionally be switched between 'old' and 'young' boxes ( strictly those belonging to pizarro ) to prevent synchronized aging and death
asciilifeform: i do this in own household.
asciilifeform: i also recommend to purchase one more disk than there are slots, and transport with the rest.
asciilifeform: at no point must BingoBoingo find himself in a position where a disk has failed and he has not what to put in its place.
ben_vulpes: sata iii's are compatible with sata ii?
asciilifeform: they are. will downclock.
asciilifeform: a sata-iii card can be had for about 50-70bux btw ( pcie )
mod6: I'm gonna announce this chan in #trilema.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i use 9750-4I LSI .
mod6: Objections?
asciilifeform: mod6: no objection from me
ben_vulpes: go for it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: observe the ludicrous diff b/w new and 'used' cost of this card
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i do not have a good hypothesis re the reason. they last -- as far as i can discern -- forever.
ben_vulpes: 25% discount on used?
ben_vulpes: interesting
asciilifeform: not 25
asciilifeform: ~400%
asciilifeform: err, 75%
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: oh yeah ebay's got the prices
mod6: lobbes! Welcome.
lobbes: hey mod6
ben_vulpes: why are https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E1T0B-AM/dp/B00OBRFFAS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1518913055&sr=8-3&keywords=samsung+ssd+1tb another 50 bucks over https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-Internal-MZ-76E1T0B-AM/dp/B078DPCY3T/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1518913055&sr=8-2&keywords=samsung+ssd+1tb ?
asciilifeform: if you buy one, 1) do not pay > 100bux 2) know that you will need a 'sas cable' , a type of 4-headed snake, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B1IVEM2 << the ones i use
lobbes: hey, do you guys want lobbesbot in here to archive?
mod6: danielpbarron! Welcome.
asciilifeform: welcome danielpbarron !
ben_vulpes: lobbes: may as well, welcome and welcome danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: howza snow, danielpbarron ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one is sold by 'amazon', other -- by 3rd party contractor
asciilifeform: and welcome lobbes .
mod6: lobbes: I have to admit, that thing is awesome. Send it in!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the drive in your 1st link, i have a machine with 4 of'em
lobbes: ty asciilifeform , mod6
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, snowed in at a bar in pennsylvania
ben_vulpes: is there good company at least?
mod6: haha. nice
shinohai: Well what better place to be snowed in at.
asciilifeform: i came back earlier from a great snow walk with pet
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, ya
asciilifeform: romanian hats, a+++ ( if it is possible to get proper '3ear' hat in usa , i have yet to find out where )
shinohai: We so rarely get snow here, but actually snowed twice this year. I spent all day out with a friend quail hunting.
asciilifeform: neato
mod6: super cool
shinohai: Currently: 74 degrees and light rain. Welcome to the South.
lobbes: shinohai, ah yeah. only two snowfalls where I am too this year
lobbes: hit 81 yesterday
mod6: its like 14 here
lobbes: oof, I'm glad I am out of the North
mod6: "winter is coming, winter is here"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's a 4-bay machine so 5 of https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Samsung-850-EVO-1TB-2-5-inch-Solid-State-Drive-SSD-3D-V-NAND-MZ-75E1T0/263495047036?epid=216334568&hash=item3d5987577c:g:7rsAAOSwALtaTtzJ ?
asciilifeform: i do not normally buy ssd on ebay ( even when labeled 'new' and sold for same price as elsewhere ) but yes
ben_vulpes: hm
asciilifeform: interestingly, moore's law having died, these disks have been at this exact price, within 5%, for almost 3y now
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is fond of them, and buys many )
ben_vulpes: all righty, paying through amazon
asciilifeform: if the box has 3.5" drives, will need 2.5" rails also
asciilifeform: *driveslots
asciilifeform: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F3QFKNS << the ones i've been using.
asciilifeform: and yes, looking at the photo of the server -- it needs these.
mod6: Screws included?
asciilifeform: yes.
mod6: nice. i hate it when they don't send those.
asciilifeform: ( there are also screws , typically, in the old rails )
ben_vulpes: man i just disassembled a box and completely failed to get the screws out of the old rails
mod6: ^
asciilifeform: rusted?
mod6: hot glued probably
ben_vulpes: couldn't tell ya, as i failed to get 'em out!
ben_vulpes: loctite is my guess
mod6: i bought a box once where a guy had hotglued EVERYTHING. all the wiring harnesses, you name it
mod6: lol i wouldn't doubt it.
ben_vulpes: anyways trinque remember to get rails for your machine and 2.5" caddies for the drives
ben_vulpes bbl
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the ebay boxes typically include rails.
asciilifeform: ( double-check the listing )
ben_vulpes: i shall
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: have you unsnarled wp-admin yet? << As per those poste contents it is unsnarled. It is stock mp-wp minus the small ave1 adjustments for the php version. After logging in it takes you to the main page and you gotta click edit or something else that jumps you to a dashboard. The link labeled wp-admin does not.
BingoBoingo: mp-wp is still rather alien tech to me
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> trinque: iirc it was 2.5 kW , and specified in BingoBoingo's contract with the rack supplier. but will have to ask for BingoBoingo to confirm this. << It is. Math puts it at 62.5 Watts per RU. We can get a second 2.5 kw drop for (102*2.5)*1.22=311.1 USD
asciilifeform: generally you do not want to dissipate more than 2.5kW inside one cabinet.
asciilifeform: ( unless you have an extraordinarily good chimney )
BingoBoingo: That sounds like a safe idea
asciilifeform: picture a 2.5kW (typical in usa) space heater.
asciilifeform: and how it warms a room, or even an outdoor shed in the winter.
BingoBoingo: US space heater is usually 1500 kw nominally. 15 amp breaker ~100 volts
asciilifeform: was thinking of 'industrial' 25a
asciilifeform: but yes.
BingoBoingo: So is a max density PCengines (4? 8?) on a fanned tray in the works for one of the earlier flights here?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps for 2nd flight
BingoBoingo: Is that going to be the alf flight? I keep getting told there is only so much summer left here befor the beaches get deserted.
asciilifeform: those would actually be ideal for 'budget' colo customers
asciilifeform: given as they almost certainly could get unmolested through the post
asciilifeform: ( they are 2cm or so in thickness, and readily fit inside an envelope)
mod6: maybe try it with a ringer
asciilifeform: ringer?
mod6: A fake one.
asciilifeform: aaaa
mod6: Like, wanna see if we can get some drives down to BB without mail molestation? Let's just stick a deck of cards in there and send it.
asciilifeform: well it isn't necessarily an accurate test, deck of cards will be unmolested, 'obvious' comp , otoh, not
shinohai prints out pics of btcvixen, ships .....
mod6: lol
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, did you meet up with phf?
BingoBoingo: For what it's worth I have yet to recieve the Birthday card my mom sent yet?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: at one time i did meet phf, coupla month ago
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: or are you thinking of more specific
danielpbarron: yeah specifically within the last week for that thing he was doing
danielpbarron: i sent him some pogos, and included some business cards, one for you
danielpbarron: there was some drama with the shipment, and i haven't heard from him
asciilifeform: oh hm danielpbarron i did not know that there were any part for me there.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the difficulty with phf is that he only logs in every week or so, afaik. be sure to ask him when he reappears , whether he received your parcel.
danielpbarron: oh i thought the whole point was he was picking up machines from you to fly to bingo
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: this was planned during the first incarnation of bisp. the deadline however passed, and the ticket mp originally had purchased for him, wasted away.
danielpbarron: oh.. ok
asciilifeform: pizarro was brought to life shortly after. ( but not in time to save phf's ticket )
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the articles of organization were put into final draft only today.
asciilifeform: ( will be signed by the people party to the articles, shortly )
danielpbarron: cool.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: are you interested in a subscription ? ( dare i presume the pogos ? )
danielpbarron: i'm afraid i don't know what you even mean
danielpbarron: i'm mmoving from ct to ok currently, with plans to continue hosting me node there
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: well, you mentioned having sent some iron to phf , earlier. i assumed it was meant for shipment to bisp
danielpbarron: yes, but on mp's behalf
asciilifeform: aa.
danielpbarron: i currently hold some pogos for him
mod6: we'll have vps' too, if interested
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i am sitting on a very, very tall pile of mp iron, right here.
asciilifeform: but no subscription, of yet, for it.
danielpbarron: hehe
mod6: danielpbarron: still have a lot of fg's for sale?
danielpbarron: yes
mod6: I'm interested in a bunch. Can wait until your move is done though.
danielpbarron: what price are you willing to do
danielpbarron: i got 'em on ebay for 400
asciilifeform: i gotta take off my hat, btw, to danielpbarron
danielpbarron: i can stop at a usps on the way
asciilifeform: seems like he is the 1 fella who actually made bank on fg
danielpbarron: yeah lol, with current btc price i'm doing very well om fg
danielpbarron: oh shit it's 11k now, nm
danielpbarron: :D
asciilifeform: the specific gambit, i mean, that danielpbarron described a while back, where he immediately repurchased the coin
asciilifeform: that was clever.
danielpbarron: yes yes
danielpbarron: very very nice
danielpbarron: my friends and family are very jelly
mod6: < danielpbarron> i got 'em on ebay for 400 << Hey, ok. I'll work something out in the next few days. Price is fine, do you take BTC?
mod6: asciilifeform: i'll probably take some that you have too if they can be sold.
asciilifeform: mod6: for those you will have to get quote from mp
danielpbarron: mod6, yeah
mod6: asciilifeform: aha, ok. we'll see what he says on those.
mod6: danielpbarron: ok awesome.
lobbes: heya punkman
asciilifeform: wilkommen punkman
punkman: greetings old friends
punkman: been meaning to drop by #trilema last couple months but guess I took too long
asciilifeform: punkman: i hate to be the one to disappoint you, there are none (known to me...) '3rd republics', or 'wot fork', or any such thing
asciilifeform: as of yet, anyway.
asciilifeform: there is however a functioning colo isp.
punkman: I have some thoughts to offer about it
asciilifeform: let's hear
punkman: so there's a market for "not in USA", "not in EU", "not in China" ISP services. "not in NATO" would be an uncommon request.
punkman: seeing how the bandwidth is an order of magnitude higher than civilized places, maybe it would be not a bad idea to located a shared/vps box somewhere cheaper.
punkman: *price of bandwidth
punkman: I'd saturate your 20mbit downlink with a single VPS
asciilifeform: punkman: one of the value propositions is that no heathen hand touches the machines.
punkman: asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: nor is at easy liberty to pilfer disks, unplug cables, and commit other audacities
asciilifeform: punkman: if your item requires massive pipe, you may not be the target audience for this service currently.
punkman: asciilifeform: brings me to 2nd point. suppose I can get by with 1mbps, but I want to host a site selling replicas, shitting on trademarks, warez, some nasty outgoin spam. how long until dc pulls the plug? machines untouched, but what does that do for me?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo's upstream contract forbids spam.
punkman: not email spam
asciilifeform: ( does not mention, iirc, warez. )
punkman: blog comments, twitter accounts, etc
punkman: contract almost always specify email spam
asciilifeform: at any rate, at this or any other vendor, if your contract threatens the upstream bandwidth , it will not be renewed. HOWEVER this still does not mean that your box will be stolen, or molested, if it is within BingoBoingo's power to prevent it.
asciilifeform: simply contract will not be renewed. and you will have to arrange to repossess your box.
punkman: well if the DC is run by spineless idiots, box will be stolen neh?
punkman: did BingoBoingo evaluate spine of responsible persons?
asciilifeform: punkman: there is exactly 1 way to answer this q.
asciilifeform: empirically.
asciilifeform: there is never, at any point, any other.
asciilifeform: there is not, as you very well know, an instant litmus test for reliable people, or reliable things.
asciilifeform: there is only life.
asciilifeform: there are however known dead ends. e.g. hosting in english-speaking world. and when you eliminate the known dead ends , some unknown fraction of what remains -- is the thing that you want.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: lol clearly; lend a hand and send me a link to something editable? afaict there are no pages or anything else with an edit button with which i can fuck
punkman: well if ISP would like to experiment with customers that will get your plug pulled, let me know, I'll pass it on to a couple people
asciilifeform: thank you punkman . imho ideal customer would be e.g. that nazi d00d from usa. rather than spammers.
punkman: who's that
ben_vulpes: daily stormer?
asciilifeform: aha i think that was it
asciilifeform: fella who got censored in 6 or what was it , countries
asciilifeform: ( without committing even such a sin as spam )
trinque: too bad he didn't stick around to promote his brand
asciilifeform: i do not know what became of him.
trinque: ben_vulpes: ack on rails and caddies
punkman: could run unofficial mirror of dailystormer, see what happens :P
asciilifeform: if author subscribes -- will host his item
asciilifeform: just like others.
asciilifeform bbl
trinque: dubious merit to doing business with scammers punkman
trinque: in re: comment spam or whatever it was
trinque: even glossing over the whole "hey kids, would you like to buy some illegal drugs?" smell to it
TomServo: ahoy
lobbes: hey TomServo
mod6: Hey! Welcome.
TomServo: Thanks! Glad to see you folks seeing this through.
TomServo: Happy to help if I can, at all.
mod6: Cheers :]
ben_vulpes: TomServo: rent a box or a vps once we stand that machine up!
punkman: trinque: fair enough about the aroma. personally the less I have to deal with computers these days the better, so I got no plans to setup a spam box on Pizarro. hope it's some food for thought for the hosting policies that will be.
mod6: Fair enough.
TomServo: ben_vulpes: If I had a venture worth the cost I certainly would.
mod6: Let us know if you want a vps when we get that part up.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: http://pizarroisp.net/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=3
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: bingo bingo
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: pls to install the footnotes plugin
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Installed and activated
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: And here is a shell account on the box http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NF1zL/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: Boa Noite, voy a regressar en la manana
ben_vulpes: hasta BingoBoingo
mod6: ni ni
trinque: ben_vulpes: box, drives, adapters, and rails otw
trinque: wew!
mod6: trinque: nice!
mod6: hanbot and I have been chatting in #trilema, and I think that we ought to put together a public calendar of dates for bill paying, other key target dates. Things of this nature.
mod6: This will help all of us stay on track. And keep us accountable. I for one have 69000 things going on, so I think it's a positive thing.
mod6: Let's discuss this more tomorrow. It could be part of the montly tasks -- filling in the calendar for key dates, specific goals etc.
mod6: Welcome, hanbot!
hanbot: thanks, i'll be hangin' out.
mod6: Cool
BingoBoingo: mod6: A calendar would be very nice.
BingoBoingo: And we have an open question: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784680 ben_vulpes manages talent, mod6 manages customers. Which one of you wants to handle suppliers?
BingoBoingo: Also since ben_vulpes is bringing boxes and power cables are heavy, how many should I try to buy this week for the suitcase?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we don't want pogos, right?
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o7ZXa/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: aight cool. let me know how you want it bolted together
trinque: turns out the box seller had rails, so I canceled that
trinque: mirrored raid on both pretty please
ben_vulpes: trinque: r1, yes?
trinque: yep that, only two drive slots per brain hemisphere of the box
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zGklf/?raw=true << updated with spares
trinque: BingoBoingo: how are you going to handle spare drive storage?
trinque: also it appears I was too late on canceling my rail kit; if anyone on the supply run needs rails, can buy them from me
BingoBoingo: trinque: Locker in the office unless anyone has a better idea.
trinque: could lock them in an airtight container in the rack until rack is full
mod6: good to know there are an extra set out there -- someone'll need 'em
mod6: mircea_popescu tried to post on http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 the comments section isn't working.
mod6: Let's look into that.
BingoBoingo: TThe mp-wp came from http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ave1's warning and comments patches from http://ave1.org/2018/mp-wp-a-genesis/ were hand applied, and hanbot's footnotes plugin was added from http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-2-18#305181 << depends on what the pogos are part of . we want an elephant also, if someone were to pay to colocate an elephant. and i will personally cut it, freeze-dry it, and fit it into the rack, if necessary.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-18 17:18 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we don't want pogos, right?
asciilifeform: pogos are not an efficient use of physical space for vps-like service , however; the vertical protrusion of the disk is unfortunate.
asciilifeform: but if someone wants to subscribe a dozen pogos, he can be rightfully charged for 1 3u parallelepiped , given as that is what they occupy when placed on a shelf.
asciilifeform: ( if they are the type of pogo that runs off sd card : then 1u parallelepiped . )
asciilifeform: http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 << quite unsurprisingly , mp's reaction, 'fly in it?! i wouldn't walk under it', so much he hates my face. which is up to him. however asciilifeform ~is~ 50% owner ~and~ technical director, and if someone wishes for him not to be, will have to buy up his share, and take up the work , rather than to try to pantsuit away his ownership.
asciilifeform: which is what the boycott muchly strikes me as.
asciilifeform: in effect d00d would rather patronize heathens, who lift his disks, than a l1 isp with asciilifeform playing in the orchestra.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes i have maybe another 10min at the console just now. any pressing q's ??
BingoBoingo: Not at the moment, get some sleep and revisit tomorrow
mod6: yes
mod6: sec
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784876
mod6: and
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784879
mod6: answer in #trilema when ready
asciilifeform: mod6: i can't think of anything remaining to add, the orig item summarizes
mod6: BingoBoingo: Q is to you too, plz answer for record in #trilema
asciilifeform: mod6: since the point is being pressed : i refuse to participate for a second time in a project where militantly technically illiterate but iron-cocksure fella wrecks the thing and i eat the blame.
asciilifeform: in PARTICULAR re the 'using konsoomer phenoms' horror.
mod6: that point is well understood.
asciilifeform: what remains to illuminate then
asciilifeform: and i really did answer it to a pedantic death in #trilema, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 .
asciilifeform: not sure how it helps for me to repeat the point.
mod6: I'm not saying to need to repeat that point. Just state, to the best of your knowledge, if there were any other arrangements.
asciilifeform: can't think of anything that i omitted.
asciilifeform: i did make an informal offer to sell my share to a competent replacement , but there are afaik no takers , so it has not grown to status of an arrangement, is merely an informal suggestion of yet.
mod6: *nod*
asciilifeform: i've a very large pile of chores to attend to, so bbl .
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6: i'm accepting the management critiques raised on teh blog. i move that the board appoint me manager of Pizarro; i'll turn around and delegate technicalia to asciilifeform and customer relations to mod6
ben_vulpes: moreover, at the risk of further complexicating things and because diana_coman raises a good question; i'd like to clarify language around Pizarro's board to say that both asciilifeform and the Foundation may emplace one board member, and the resulting board will pick a manager which probably oughta be myself
asciilifeform: i wish to nominate phf for board .
asciilifeform: ( lessee if he accepts )
asciilifeform: and i also support ben_vulpes's candidacy for director
asciilifeform: ( will sign statement re: both , supposing anyone wants )
ben_vulpes: these board seats should not be onerous positions; BingoBoingo and myself should the board accept my self-nomination will be doing the bulk of the work
Vexual: ola
mod6: hey Vexual
Vexual: hey mod
mod6: Welcome!
Vexual: thanks, I just came to say hi!
mod6: right on, glad you did.
BingoBoingo: http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3&cpage=1#comment-7 << Another comment awaiting answers
asciilifeform: ^ re the 'even number of board members' , the traditional afaik answer is for director to wield the tiebreaker vote.
BingoBoingo: The dynamics of the 50-50 split though introduces the potential for tiebreaking to be an ugly affair if it is a routine thing. Or if a decision is truly blocking for one of the parties.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun see how this is avoidable.
lobbes: http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 << I, once time comes, would be interested in volunteering in helping BingoBoingo flog vps/shared hosting (for phree, when time allows) under direction of said BB. I assume others might too (shinohai mebbe?); a profitable Pizarro is in many's best interests after all
shinohai: Agreed lobbes, I told mod6 from first day I am willing to do whatever possible since I have mountains of free time on hands most days.
mod6: Thanks Gentlemen.
ben_vulpes: hola jurov !
ben_vulpes just about to step away from terminal for 30 minutes or so
shinohai waves at jurov
jurov: ohai
shinohai: Enjoying new home?
jurov: Very. Only my workplace remains to be moved
jurov: and of course, all kinds of shit happens when i'm away from it :)
shinohai: I'm die-hard, last year when I was in hospital still had irc open every day ftw
mod6: Hi jurov!
mod6: shinohai: haha, nice.
shinohai: sbcl site finally back up, much like Ada you can't build it from source *without* having a sbcl binary :/
ben_vulpes: "compiling sbcl is not an exact science"
shinohai: So I have learned lol
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JpZzp/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: And my fiat side presence now has a website up. http://aaronrogier.net/ I feel the text is honest and conveys the appropriate level of "If you have to ask it isn't for you"
lobbes: BingoBoingo: 'Home' and 'GPG Key' links are borked (seems they both have an extra '/aaronrogier.net' in them)
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
BingoBoingo: Everything else look very.legit.biz?
shinohai: Looks good BB
lobbes: aye, looks good from here as well
hanbot: nice mugshot
shinohai: Ryan X Chrles would be jealous of the hat.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5 << appears to be missing asciilifeform's job description
ben_vulpes: i'll add those back in, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: not immediately, but this evening
mod6: < hanbot> nice mugshot << looks good BingoBoingo!
mod6: I'm going to post my questions here, from the earlier #trilema discussion: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-20#1785216
BingoBoingo: mod6: I approved your comments on the post. I'll keep checking the moderation que for new ones.
mod6: Thanks BingoBoingo, much appreciated.
shinohai: gm mod6 , BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Bom dia
mod6: mornin' shinohai
shinohai: 11/5000
shinohai: Como vao as coisas ?
shinohai: ^ weechat fail
mod6: goin ok
mod6: pretty zapped from non-stop salt-mines for the last 6 days.
shinohai: They still made you work yesterday mod6 ? O.o
mod6: oh yeah.
mod6: they don't even understand hair theory
shinohai: lol
ben_vulpes: mod6: responded http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5&cpage=1#comment-10
ben_vulpes: welp i can't upload files to this mpwp
BingoBoingo: It is a fodler permission thing
ben_vulpes: aye
ben_vulpes: largely unimportant at the moment
ben_vulpes: i'll just do a terrible and strikeout the previous version
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6 BingoBoingo: what i expect to be the final draft is now live at http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: apologies for not shipping last night
BingoBoingo: Looks good
mod6: ben_vulpes: ah, ok thanks
mod6 looks
mod6: goddamnit i hate websites
mod6: can someone please remove my first response from there.
mod6: well, the first of the most recent two.
ben_vulpes: websites are terrible
ben_vulpes: done
mod6: haha, thanks ben.
mod6: i mean, that thing works great, if i use the correct browser, i just ... hate websites in general.
mod6: everyone will notice that i strictly use pre-september internet websites.
mod6: s/use/build/
ben_vulpes: "they'll never take me alive!!!1"
mod6: straight out of 1993.
mod6: the only thing missing on mod6.net is that pepsi dancing baby.
mod6: the greybeards know what im talkin about
ben_vulpes: http://code.divshot.com/geo-bootstrap/
mod6: haha.
shinohai: Do we get an AOL messenger clone too? That's all it needs.
mod6: I guess I just noticed that "plane" didn't make it in -- before I said "looks good".
ben_vulpes: io
ben_vulpes: i'll patch that
ben_vulpes: done
mod6: *thumbsup*
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6 BingoBoingo: as i hear no objections to the articles of incorporation; please to clearsign and deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XNDHp/?raw=true and post clearsigned documents as comments on http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5
mod6: Alright, any idea on where you want 5 BTC sent?
asciilifeform: will do as soon as i get back to my actual console
ben_vulpes: i will let you know mod6 sometime tomorrow
mod6: Alright, cool.
asciilifeform: plox to also compute the amt reqd from asciilifeform (i.e. subtract what he emitted thus far) and ditto others
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: yes, that.
ben_vulpes: thanks gents
asciilifeform: also note that it takes approx a week now for asciilifeform
asciilifeform: to actually send a coin
ben_vulpes: this is fine
mod6: It may take me a few days too until it's gone through.
asciilifeform returns to meat , until tomorrow 
mod6: night
ben_vulpes: adieu
mod6: houston, we have a problem.
ben_vulpes: what's that mod6
mod6: ben_vulpes: I've checked everyones GPG fingerprint in http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XNDHp/?raw=true -- but yours doesn't match what's in wot.deedbot.org for 'ben_vulpes'
mod6: that key up there is 4F790794...31DA
ben_vulpes: oh yeah, d2d031da is mine, i fat fingered that for sure
ben_vulpes: hang on a sec
mod6: np. take your time.
ben_vulpes: well now all of a sudden gpg is ignoring the with-fingerprint in ~/.gunpg/gpg.conf
shinohai: gunpg ?
shinohai: FIRE OFF A NEW REQUEST
ben_vulpes: well, spelled correctly
mod6: `gpg --list-keys --fingerprint`
ben_vulpes: mod6: yeah but i keep that in gpg.conf
mod6: ah, sure.
ben_vulpes: i have nfi what that fingerprint is or where it came from!
mod6: lol
ben_vulpes: how can a man miss his own fingerprint
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6 BingoBoingo omfg last truuu seriously all fp's checked version: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LKDhg/?raw=true
mod6: that's veen's fingerprint
mod6: must have been in your copy buffer or something.
ben_vulpes: ayup, there it is
mod6: alright, /me gets
ben_vulpes: eagle eye mod6
mod6: Hey vex!
Vexual: hi
Vexual: just a thought, ought "or should" read "and if" ?? maybe stupid, maybe late
mod6: Oh.
mod6 looks 
mod6: not too late yet!
mod6: I'm ok with the way it reads.
ben_vulpes: kinda sticky minutae; if a member of the board throws a fit and walks out without providing for a replacement the thing's dead
Vexual: say alf and suitcase of iron plunges from the sky, shit's over?
ben_vulpes: well it liquidates; and can in theory be purchased and rebirthed
mod6: yeah, I'm fine with that.
mod6: I don't object. But BingoBoingo, and asciilifeform can weigh in yet if they wanna change that wording.
mod6: Alright, I'm all signed up, but I'll wait to hear back on final final approval from BingoBoingo and asciilifeform
mod6: before I submit to deedbot.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VQkAL/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fS4W0/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: please let me know what operating system to install, physical checks to perform, and anything else this shared hosting box needs done to it between when it hits my porch and when i box it for installation
BingoBoingo: mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: Signed and ready to deed, awaiting instructions
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ty. i'ma set it up, will take a while.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: box : ideally, gentoo per my classical recipe. errything else can be emplaced remotely.
BingoBoingo: Do we want to start carving up the IP range and give everything static addresses?
mod6: Mornin'
mod6 looks
BingoBoingo: And I just got notice that the datacenter has acknowledged receipt of the wire transfer to keep the lights on through March
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes on ip's.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and really gotta have that calendar , to show where the bill cycles fall. ( and i can't think of any reason for it not to be public , also. mod6 , ben_vulpes , what do you think ? )
BingoBoingo: We have .194 through .251 open at the moment. Carve away.
mod6: ben_vulpes: got it.
mod6: asciilifeform: indeed.
mod6: Let's keep the public calendar. Great to see key-dates, and goal-driven-dates.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: please to digitize receipt and forward
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Don't have the paper receipt yet (The important one is the handfilled one with the serial number), last time that came in the mail. At the moment I have http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FURGd/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: aok
BingoBoingo: I already have the receipt for the March CoWork, will toss in the tarball once Latecho hits the mailbox.
BingoBoingo: And the receipt for Stan for the March BingoBoingo bolus
mod6: bolus?
BingoBoingo: mod6: The bulk delivery of funds
mod6: ah, gotcha. i even translated it too lol.
BingoBoingo: What can I say, It is my first payment for services as very.legit.biz
mod6: :]
trinque: btw would be nice to see a contract for 1U slot rental *before* ben_vulpes lugs my machine down
trinque: I know y'all just got the formation of company done, just nudging
mod6: <@mod6> I don't object. But BingoBoingo, and asciilifeform can weigh in yet if they wanna change that wording. << are you guys good to go with this as is? If not yet, or haven't looked it over, np. Can wait.
BingoBoingo: I'm good, ready to fire into deedbot when instructed
mod6: Ok, will wait for alf, then I'm ready.
mod6: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nTl8J/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: mod6: got it
mod6: cool, one more for ya
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NG4wY/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6jdf2/?raw=true
mod6: thanks
mod6 looks
mod6: got it, that'll do!
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : is there a canonical version of the charter for me to sign ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LKDhg/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ty ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: aha
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes , mod6 , do you suppose the charter oughta be a vgenesis ?
asciilifeform: then can easily show, if it ever must be amended, in phf's tool and similar.
ben_vulpes: this is a fine idea
ben_vulpes: please to genisate asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: aite, 1s
BingoBoingo: Really oughtta worry about that after it gets deeded.
mod6: tabs or spaces
mod6 ducks
asciilifeform: lol
mod6: haha, anyway, seems like a fine idea to me.
asciilifeform: um why does the charter have winblowz newlines
asciilifeform: and no newline at the end..
asciilifeform fixes..
mod6: ty
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pizarro_charter_genesis.vpatch + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pizarro_charter_genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
asciilifeform: but i fear that BingoBoingo is right, and i will have to do this again, for deedbot
mod6: yeah, was thinkin that he's right, we'll still have to deed these.
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes : examine the payload of above and determine that it is acceptable equiv of ben_vulpes original
asciilifeform: then i will deed my copy
BingoBoingo: The point of hammering the thing out is, it is a fixed document. Maybe it is suceeded by a new document replacing it, say if it gets bought out. Not exactly the sort of thing that ever gets patched in place.
mod6: asciilifeform: will you also post your raw copy that removed the CRLFs?
asciilifeform: mod6: you should end up with it if you press the above, neh
mod6: Alright.
mod6: lemme do all these things, sec.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is less that i expect to see the thing amended, and more that we have currently exactly 1 tool for 'let's these N d00dz all be certain of signing the same document and to make it clear that they in fact did'
trinque: not my business, but BingoBoingo I dunno. changing business agreements by consent of the board is pretty normal.
trinque: obviously this doesn't happen for matters at the level of "what's for lunch", but they do
asciilifeform: the only down-side i can think of , for the vgenesisation, is that there is currently no way to feed it straight into deedbot in this form
BingoBoingo: Time consumed
mod6: Ok i was able to press asciilifeform's genesis here...
asciilifeform: mod6: now diff with your most recent copy of same
mod6: Did that, wasn't what I expected.
asciilifeform: post the diff
mod6: ok
asciilifeform: keep in mind that my starting point was http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-2-21#306715 .
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-21 22:05 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LKDhg/?raw=true
mod6: oh i see why.
mod6: you didn't use vdiff.
asciilifeform: sure as fuck used vdiff
asciilifeform: same one i've used since oct of 2015
mod6: wait, nevermind. something is werd.
mod6: *weird
mod6: i'll post
mod6: this is getting too obnoxious
mod6: (i just saw the timestamps here and thought you had an old copy of vdiff):
asciilifeform: lemme guess, turned out that mod6 was using exactly that ?
asciilifeform: ( a aug.2015 vdiff )
asciilifeform: pretty sure i finally purged my last copy of that, from the active hdds
asciilifeform: anyway i regret to say that this operation has already overrun the clock burst i allocated for it. so i'ma bbl, later this evening.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m0sjm/?raw=true
mod6: me too, i can be active in 25 more minutes.
mod6: and this is gonna get overly hairy i think.
mod6: nice idea, probably better to have ben just remove the CRLFs and post a SHA512 of the canonical version
ben_vulpes: i gotta step away for a bit myself
BingoBoingo: I have !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xUb2L/?raw=true ready to fire when ready
mod6: I'd hold off here.
mod6: What I'm requiring now is a canonical version from ben_vulpes with whatever fixes, + a SHA512 of that document. Then I'll comb through it all over again, checking everything. Then, I'll sign.
BingoBoingo: Aite boss
BingoBoingo: While waiting for the contract, I have decided to punch up my fiat side web presence a bit with WOT'y Republican values. Also some filler for length because this is the toilet side facing presence: http://aaronrogier.net/ Same mugshot
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/7za3si/sfyl_revisited_bitfunder_owner_arrested/dumkuhj/ <<< lol BingoBoingo
mod6: these derps don't even understand "WORKS WITH LYNX" do they?
shinohai: Doubtful.
shinohai: Works for me in w3m AND I can see the awesum mascot
ben_vulpes: linefeeds are from web browsers and form behavior, sorry everyone.
mod6: np!
ben_vulpes: interesting legal point in re deeds
ben_vulpes: signature of the genesis and subsequent patches indicates "i have read, and it does what it says on the tin" traditionally in re trb; where here pressing produces a document that must then itself be signed.
ben_vulpes: mod6: what was your problem with that vpatch? it presses just fine for me
mod6: oh me too. the diff just didn't come out the way i expected.
mod6: the diff between yours and his.
ben_vulpes: the paste?
ben_vulpes: in re "yours"
mod6: and rather than spend 2 hours coming through all that. just figure, hey, let's just use 1 doc, with a SHA512. When I get the doc, i'll check the hash, if it matches, then i'll comb through it again.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m0sjm/?raw=true
mod6: basically, we've all been pretty busy lately, just trying to make it less work at this point.
ben_vulpes: gotcha
ben_vulpes: mod6: let me know if the following suits http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/scrollback.txt
mod6 looks
ben_vulpes: it is the same hash as in the vpatch
ben_vulpes bbiab, zoop
mod6: mine seems to match that. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RQZhZ/?raw=true
mod6: is that the /exact/ way you want it tho? I don't wanna comb through again if it still needs another change.
mod6: (keep in mind im checking this basically letter for letter)
ben_vulpes: ayup. i'm rarin to sign this and move on
mod6: Alright, I'll comb through document 4abc64d24b1a9375962ff753f2fa022961d50549374ebb285194ea32333fa51d67a0cfe789a84b9d4d93b18ecacdedb278e1f6b94e0d136937ba470f83cde7c3
mod6: tomorrow and sign when done.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mod6 http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/pizarro_charter_genesis.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: do you have 24/7 dc access? pantsuit hours? what's the deal here
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: So far I have only arrived at the datacenter during regular business hours, though I have remained well past them. Since you are going to take a more active role in management, it would probably be a good idea to introduce you to the Latecho team soon.
BingoBoingo: And 24/7 access to my office at the CoWork has been tested thoroughly. I suspect I might be more familiar to some of the night and weekend doormen than the day people who relieve them from duty.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Very nice
shinohai: ?
BingoBoingo: The ButterDrama
shinohai: ah lol ... first time I posted there in a while. Absolutely nothing has changed.
mod6: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gcTkF/?raw=true
mod6: Alright, lemme comb through this thing and see how we look.
mod6: Looks great.
mod6: Here's my clearsigned charter:
mod6: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro/charter.txt.asc
mod6: And my detached sig for V: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro/pizarro_charter_genesis.vpatch.mod6.sig
mod6: And with that, Lords and Ladies, I believe we are in business. :]
trinque: congrats gents!
mod6: Thanks trinque!
shinohai: \o/
mod6: Special thanks to the Manager, Ben, who worked very hard to get this charter in order.
mod6: I fucked this up.
mod6: My detached sig is not a detached sig of the vpatch proper, but rather the charter.txt. smh.
mod6: I'll resign the vpatch proper, and drop that in here and #trilema, standby.
mod6: fwiw, V caught this:
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Kxkxe/?raw=true
mod6: Alright, fixed. Link is the same as before: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro/pizarro_charter_genesis.vpatch.mod6.sig
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vHzJf/?raw=true
mod6: My apologies.
mod6: BingoBoingo: If you feel up to it, you can sign that vpatch as well, and post your sig on your site/blog. It's optional though, you're already good to go with deedbot.
mod6: Next point of order I'd like to discuss is the calendar. What calendar should we use? Should we make one out of simple text file, with line entries by dates of import?
mod6: Or should we find some sort of other www'ish type functionality?
ben_vulpes: g-gregorian?
ben_vulpes: mod6: what do you mean by "calendar"?
mod6: omg don't even say that greg word.
ben_vulpes: julian!
mod6: lol.
trinque: hey when might I receive a document which says terms of slot rental?
ben_vulpes: trinque: that's the next thing i'm working on
mod6: we talked in here briefly, and perhaps in #trilema too, about putting together a calendar so we can all follow along with dates of importence.
trinque: ben_vulpes: neato
mod6: *importance
mod6: i.e. Things like when bills need to be paid, X person is going to do Y.
ben_vulpes: hm
mod6: Might be helpful instead of me asking stuff all the time.
mod6: can say, "mod6, check the calendar hurr durr."
ben_vulpes: i'll noodle on it mod6, but in the meantime just ask me. if it gets painfully repetitive i'll do something about it, but atm there are 2 bills to pay; the DC and payroll, and both are due by the end of the month
mod6: Alrighty.
ben_vulpes: and i'm not inclined to broadcast my travel plans tyvm
mod6: no no.
mod6: that's pretty much my one exception to the calendar - no one broadcasts anything that would be a security risk.
mod6: I wouldn't do that, I wouldn't expect anyone else to do the same.
mod6: Food for thought.
shinohai: ah what's wrong ben_vulpes, don't want a trap as a traveling companion ?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: so i shouldn't bet on being able to get in on the weekend?
ben_vulpes: hey mod6 silly ask but would you perma +V mimisbrunnr?
mod6: in here?
ben_vulpes: yeah
mod6: I can see what I can do, sure.
mod6: It's this weird incantation with chanbot iirc. gotta dig it up.
mod6: mimisbrunnr can speak in here fwiw, there's no moderation
mod6: maybe it needs to see that mode before it ~knows~ it can speak tho
ben_vulpes: no i know but due to how #trilema is set up the bot won't speak until explicitly voiced
ben_vulpes: and i don't have a mapping of which channels that's for so...
mod6: ah, no worries. will dig.
mod6: maybe i can just autovoice all...
shinohai: mod6: /msg chanserv flags #pizzaro mimisbrunnr +vV I think
mod6: ok shinohai was right about the command, but then it told me:
mod6: #pizzaro is not a thing. srry.
mimisbrunnr: syn
mod6: :D
mod6 pokes mimisbrunnr 
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-2-22#307165
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-22 17:50 mimisbrunnr: syn
ben_vulpes: k that works now
shinohai: weird
ben_vulpes: also http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-2-22#306969
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-22 04:34 ben_vulpes: !!deed http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/pizarro_charter.ben_vulpes.asc
ben_vulpes: shinohai: what's so weird?
shinohai: The "not a thing" message .... don't think I've ever seen that one
mod6: lol, i made that up. just the channel name was wrong.
mod6: thanks for the incantation shinohai totally worked.
mod6: i think.
mod6: we'll find out the next time that mimi connects
shinohai: np
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: server has arrived
BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: If you feel up to it, you can sign that vpatch as well, and post your sig on your site/blog. It's optional though, you're already good to go with deedbot. << Will try to get around to it.
mod6: No worries.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: so i shouldn't bet on being able to get in on the weekend? << I wouldn't go that far. All the monkeys who make decisions though do a strict Monday to Friday schedule here though.
ben_vulpes: aight well go see if you can get in this weekend, okay?
BingoBoingo: Will do boss
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: As you prepare your travel arrangements feel free to shoot me some questions. I don't think http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/04/the-first-bbisp-mini-conference-and-montevideo-tourism-guide/ is quite exhaustive.
ben_vulpes: thanks BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: There's some other basic shit I am not seeing there that holds true pretty much anywhere. Don't exchange cash at the airport, airport taxis are extorion... etc
ben_vulpes: yeah i'm going to need to arrange for a ride from the airport
ben_vulpes: probably a vanthing given the load that i'll be hauling
ben_vulpes: draft contract for review http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MBQmX/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: I'll ask around to see what I can find
ben_vulpes: (yes, has winblows line endings so don't take it as canonical)
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Don't forget the 2500/40=62.5 watts = 1U math, or are we moving away from that?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imho gotta put in more detail re power draw, e.g. 'if you draw more than two standard deviation from avg. per U, you must pay x per extra watt'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: works, i'll think about what that x is
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm billing for IVA as well
BingoBoingo: k
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: problem is that if you price an ~empty rack the same way as a packed rack, you get a very high price.
ben_vulpes: (2834/40)*2
ben_vulpes: so 141.7, as i dropped a dollar
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i recommend that the machine you uncrated today , be featured on ( as mp termed ) 'gear list', it is available in ~unlimited (for all practical purpose) qty, and for ~fixed cost
asciilifeform: and now you know its cost ( with disks, brackets, cables )
ben_vulpes: aye aye asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: If we learned anything assuming useful quantity, much less "unlimited" can be a stretch until the iron has been seen and counted. Not long after MP posted that AMD FX chip in chan, the price did jump
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's a surprising abundance of preowned opterons of very, very reasonable 'bang for buck' .
asciilifeform: and it is there because in corporate idjit usa 'used' is anathema
BingoBoingo: Get used box truck, fill with boxes, road trip?
asciilifeform: somehow they think that a 5yo box is like an old toothbrush, even though moore's law has been ~dead for, what, 7.
TomServo: asciilifeform: which opterons are you referring to? do you have an associated recommended mobo?
asciilifeform: TomServo: yes indeed, see log
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has already purchased an example.
asciilifeform: TomServo: the chips in question are 6000 series, in 'g34' socket, sold in 12 and 16-core variants.
TomServo: found the chip details, thanks... still looking for the board
asciilifeform: TomServo: it is sadly uneconomical to assemble these machines from loose components ( from a isp pov . ) they are sold 'by the pound' in surplus market. the maker i have the most positive history with is 'supermicro', and hence i recommended one to ben_vulpes ( also sitting on top of a pile of same, made much earlier for snsa )
asciilifeform: if you were to try to assemble one the way a reasonably literate person assembles his pc, you will find that you will pay a substantial % of what ben_vulpes paid for his supermicro, JUST FOR THE IRON SHEETS AND RAILS, and power supply etc., which is obscene any way you cut it
asciilifeform: the 'new tax' is for usg idiots.
mod6: mod6, Foundation chairman, has a proposal up for grabs in #trilema.
mod6: no takers eh
shinohai: what is proposal
mod6: lemme dig it up
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785568 << this while wearing my "Foundation Co-Chair hat"
shinohai: o i c
ben_vulpes: mod6: if you paste links from my logger's trilema page it'll quote in here
ben_vulpes bbl
mod6: ok, congrats to your sis.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i recommend that the machine you uncrated today , be featured on ( as mp termed ) 'gear list', it is available in ~unlimited (for all practical purpose) qty, and for ~fixed cost << So is today hardware talk day?
BingoBoingo: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-2-6#299758 << RE the FX, the number of downclocking steps it has for power management does seem like it could be an advantageous offering. Delivers some leverage on the power consumption. as it isn't likely all of them are going to be completley spun up all the time.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
BingoBoingo: Alternatively if we can find something that fits an 6.7 × 6.7 inch mini-itx target size a number of multi mobo chassis options open up in 1U and 2U heights.
mod6: Good Morning #Pizarro
mod6: Gotta snow blow here, we got like 8" of snow lastnight. brb.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Disfruta
mod6: ok back
bingolove: just a quickie to say can't load bingo's blogs...? anyway good luck guys
ben_vulpes: http://aaronrogier.net/ works for me
mod6: bingolove: thanks!
mod6: http://aaronrogier.net/ << works for me.
mod6: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ << works
mod6: http://qntra.net/ << works
mod6: i might be missing a few, not sure.
bingolove: BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo www.qntra.net 404s, should prolly just redirect. << Thank you, fixed Maybe it's something like this was. am heathen on heathen box...
mod6: wb
mod6: ahh, np, thanks for clairifying
bingolove: respect. peace out
BingoBoingo: tyvm
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: My keys do indeed work on Saturdays. Will start making late night visits to get the folks accustomed to seeing me at odd hours.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: groovy
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do the opeteron 63** series have a published analogue to the intel management engine?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they do. the supermicros even come with one. it does appear to have a working off-switch, however. ( and runs out of a separate, third nic jack )
asciilifeform: amd's fritzchip ( at least that generation of it ) was a physically separated item, ran in the southbridge ( rather than on-die ) fwiw.
ben_vulpes: what is the name of this thing so i can look it up and turn it off?
asciilifeform: should be in the manual to the board
asciilifeform: 1s
asciilifeform: https://www.supermicro.com/manuals/superserver/1U/MNL-1022TC-IBQF-TF.pdf << pdfturd
ben_vulpes: aok got it
asciilifeform: jumper JPB1 .
asciilifeform: also must toggle off 'IPMI' in bios.
ben_vulpes: gotcha
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: natively , not naively, lol ( 'support ECC ...' )
ben_vulpes: pfflol
asciilifeform: also link htm borked
ben_vulpes: thanks
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh, the image uploader on Pizarro works nao too for pics
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: oh super
mod6: Mornin'
BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes
mod6: Should we link the finalized, signed deeds or anything to the pizarroisp.net website?
mod6: we have the '?p=5' up there, just was curious.
ben_vulpes: mod6: it's on my todo list
mod6: np, thx!
mod6: bbs, gotta do a quick chore here.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: looks like you're off the hook for vps box provisioning for now
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: let me know what you want on this box at your leisure; current plan is a gcc 4.9 gentoo with the defacto republican standard ban flags and python 2.7
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, sounds good; other than that we'll certainly need mysql too but I assume I'll be able to install stuff
ben_vulpes: ah yeah absolutely; you'll be a sudoer on the machine, i'll ping for an ssh key when i'm ready
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Prolly ought to hand off root to dedibox customers
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: sudo blessed user can su to root and change the password, neh?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sure, but probably ought to make doing that the explicit recommendation.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6 objections to taking a convertible convertible loan from s.nsa for 36 FG?
ben_vulpes: i'd rather take the loan than pay out cash that we'll need
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: can i delete this 'oink' upload from the pizarro blog
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Yes, I was testing the uploader
ben_vulpes: groovy thanks
mod6: ben_vulpes: considering. I somewhat agree, that a cash outlay for that this early may hurt.
mod6: This bulk order looks like a 65% discount if 0.5 BTC is the price for all 36 FGs.
mod6: !Q calc 0.0395 * 36
lobbesbot: mod6: 1.422
mod6: !Q calc 1-(.5/1.422)
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.648382559775
mod6: correct my maff if i'm wrong here
ben_vulpes: what was the usd/btc price at that time?
ben_vulpes: august 7th?
ben_vulpes: 3.2k?
mod6: aug 7th?
ben_vulpes: that price came from http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2017-statement/
mod6: Oh. Ok, I'm seeing 3387.5 @ bitstamp, lemme see if I can find a vwap from ze logs
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694725
mod6: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-7#177124
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-07 01:47 BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
mod6: f
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-7#177125
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-07 01:47 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3207.1, vol: 5955.40184897 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3219.7, vol: 16571.91315873 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3187.319914, vol: 13066.43300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3227.14, vol: 5472.5686485 | Volume-weighted last average: 3208.56156797
mod6: ty
ben_vulpes: so 126.72 USD/FG
mod6: !~ticker
mod6: !~ticker --market all
mod6: balls
mod6: !Qticker --market all
mod6: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-2-25#308428
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-25 22:48 jhvh1: ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9689.21, vol: 10584.23934686 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9655.1, vol: 30808.46580311 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9692.2, vol: 7413.36383628 | Volume-weighted last average: 9668.13248173
ben_vulpes: so that'd be a cash price of .471851209 btc for the lot
ben_vulpes: !~Q 1 - (.45/.47185121)
ben_vulpes: !~Q 1-(.45/.47185121)
ben_vulpes: !Q 1-(.45/.47185121)
ben_vulpes: !Q calc 1-(.45/.47185121)
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: 0.0463095347366
ben_vulpes: HOW DOES ANYTHING WORK
mod6: lol
ben_vulpes: so that's a 4.6% cash discount on a lot of 36
mod6: !Q calc 3208.56 * 36
lobbesbot: mod6: 115508.16
ben_vulpes: !Q calc 1-(.45/.5)
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: 0.1
mod6: crap.
ben_vulpes: or a 10% loan fee
ben_vulpes: !Q calc 1-(.5/.45)
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: -0.111111111111
mod6: !Q calc (36*0.0395)*3208.56
lobbesbot: mod6: 4562.57232
mod6: so this is what one would have paid aug 8th or whatever for 36 fgs ^
ben_vulpes: yeah
mod6: !Q calc (36*0.0395)*9668.13
lobbesbot: mod6: 13748.08086
ben_vulpes: that's more or less in line with what's on my pad
mod6: !Q calc 0.5*9668.13
lobbesbot: mod6: 4834.065
mod6: !Q calc 1-(4562.57/4834.06)
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0561619011762
mod6: i dont think im doing this right.
mod6: if the above is right, looks like a 5%
ben_vulpes redoes
mod6: *ahem* 5% discount from last aug prices
mod6: ok, take your time. another thing to consider is if we take it on as a "loan" or what not -- what happens if S.NSA closes its doors?
mod6: we just pay out the cash to them at that time I guess?
ben_vulpes: well they gotta negotiate either a payment on the debt or a conversion to equity at that time, a burdern their liquidator will bear
ben_vulpes: i just calculated a 4.85% cash discount and 5.63% credit fee
mod6: <@ben_vulpes> well they gotta negotiate either a payment on the debt or a conversion to equity at that time, a burdern their liquidator will bear << ok makes sense
mod6: <@ben_vulpes> i just calculated a 4.85% cash discount and 5.63% credit fee << ok so we're kinda in-line here.
mod6: I think it's a reasonable proposal to accept. Shall we chew on it? asciilifeform needs to sound off too.
ben_vulpes: yeah i don't mind this; i'm going to put at least one into every leased machine (more if customers want 'em) and then charge on the same basis i'm charging for everything else: 20% markup if the year is paid in full, otherwise a 100% markup for month-to-month
ben_vulpes: trinque: want an fg in your server?
mod6: ben_vulpes: sounds like a reasonable plan.
ben_vulpes: anyways mod6 yes, still need asciilifeform to opine. relevant point is that the charter mandates that common stock, the kind that convertible notes will convert to if they're not paid down is non-voting.
mod6: aha. worth pointing out
ben_vulpes: Vexual: only warning i'm going to ban you from #pizarro if you drive snr down
mod6: dude cracks me up -- but indeed, this goes for all, this is a place of business.
mod6: we'll leave it open as long as everyone behaves.
Vexual: no problem
trinque: ben_vulpes: price?
adlie: fyi there seems to be an html formatting thingie in http://pizarroisp.net/?p=9 with the link to MP's proposal
mod6: mornin'
ben_vulpes: trinque: for rackspace 141.7 USD/mo, for 36 FG it's .45 BTC cash and .5 BTC convertible credit; btw asciilifeform please to chime in soon on acceptability of convertible note to S.NSA for 36 FG in the amount of .5 btc
trinque: surely that price is missing a zero
trinque: oh 36 FG
trinque: what price for *me*
ben_vulpes: AH
ben_vulpes: context was imperfectly bound, standby one
trinque: well I'm a customer y'see
ben_vulpes: yes, i bound context imperfectly for myself
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'll give it to ya at cost: 0.01388889 btc
trinque: done. where to pay?
asciilifeform slowly eats log
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i can't think of any reason not to do this deal. but i am not an unbiased judge, naturally, i like it when folx buy and use FG.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: cool
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'll invoice you
mod6: Does anyone want to make a Qntra article about Pizarro?
ben_vulpes: not a bad idea at all
BingoBoingo: I can publish when one is written
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: are there screws for bolting rails into the cab?
ben_vulpes: and if there aren't, please lay in a store
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: odds that you'll get your capital contribution confirmed before i stamp this statement at the end of the month?
ben_vulpes: trinque: you want just the one fg or two?
ben_vulpes: drafted stock warrants and this month's statement; just waiting on trinque to get back to me on the qty of fuckgoats he wants to buy and mod6 to pay for his fuckgoats, asciilifeform to chime in on fuckgoats arrival date and then i'll pull the trigger on the plane tickets down south and wrap up this statement
shinohai: gm as usual i am early to bed, qntra incoming.
mod6: mornin'
mod6: thanks shinohai!
mod6: bbs.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: are there screws for bolting rails into the cab? << Last time the datacenter provided the rack studs. I can walk over to tres cruces and grab some along with some cables de alimentacion. How many do we need?
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-2-27#308943 << i'm waiting for a 'hotwallet' node to resync; theoretically should be ready to fire today. apologies for delay.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-27 07:20 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: odds that you'll get your capital contribution confirmed before i stamp this statement at the end of the month?
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-2-27#308975 << preparing them currently.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-27 08:11 ben_vulpes: drafted stock warrants and this month's statement; just waiting on trinque to get back to me on the qty of fuckgoats he wants to buy and mod6 to pay for his fuckgoats, asciilifeform to chime in on fuckgoats arrival date and then i'll pull the trigger on the plane tickets down south and wrap up this statement
ben_vulpes: thanks for the update, asciilifeform
trinque: ben_vulpes: sorry for the delay, just the one please.
ben_vulpes: trinque: mk
mod6: How goes Gentlemen?
asciilifeform finally paid ben_vulpes 
mod6: hey hey hey
mod6: lbj
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'm striking out getting this AMD SP5100 to present its raid to the operating system as a single drive
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: is this in the supermicro box?
ben_vulpes: this is trinque's box, not ours
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: ok
ben_vulpes: but please if you have things to try i am all ears
asciilifeform: i only use lsi ( and clones ) chipset
ben_vulpes: bios thinks it's in raid1 mode, but fdisk -l shows two drives
asciilifeform: largely for this reason
asciilifeform: ( they actually work. the others -- not quite )
trinque is reading docs
ben_vulpes: share a link trinque ?
trinque: eh it was just a datasheet, only says "has raid"
trinque: asciilifeform: you think maybe next time you can say what you only use while I'm buying components?
asciilifeform: trinque: i mentioned many times lsi in the logs, going back yrs.
asciilifeform: orig brand was '3ware'.
trinque: I'm supposed to review everything you ever said in these situations?
trinque: anyhow, ben_vulpes if I end up having to do software raid, whatever. for now, still searching.
asciilifeform: not necessarily. but if concerned with 'must get raid controller that works, asap' not worst possible idea.
ben_vulpes: enough you two i have work to do
asciilifeform goes back, likewise, to work.
ben_vulpes: trinque: ping me with results of search, mine has been fruitless. if software raid, will do.
trinque: asciilifeform: I thought your work here was setting up a customer. no?
trinque: I didn't have to buy this machine, bought it for this, in a thread with you present.
trinque: this waiting later and then going "oh, should've $x".. aha.
trinque: and I bet if I find an LSI card you'll go "oh, should've been specific LSI"
asciilifeform: trinque: my work pertains strictly to machines purchased under banner of pizarro, for lease or vpsication. folx colocating can ask ~nicely~ for tips re iron, but they are not within my duty. ( ben_vulpes , mod6 , invited to comment re this verdict. )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is trinque's machine personally owned, or commissioned by us, and i somehow missed this ?
trinque: if you somehow begrudge my leasing space I don't need to support your business, please let me know.
ben_vulpes: christ with the escalating tensions
ben_vulpes: you're both on time out, trinque come back with instructions re what you want me to do with this machine and asciilifeform stop feeding the trolls
trinque: excuse me?
ben_vulpes: how is anyone to know that you didn't order that box knowing precisely what you were doing, trinque?
ben_vulpes: nobody begrudges you the space, and i'm sweating right now to get you a machine that works for you
ben_vulpes: but ffs quit riling each other up
trinque: I know there's a RAID chip in it that other people are using. This guy comes back later with a useless recommendation when he was present in the thread in which I purchased it in the first place.
asciilifeform: folx can colocate anything they like. even a commodore-64. asciilifeform merely observes that his sworn duty re curation extends only to such boxes as ben_vulpes & mod6 formally commission under the pizarro banner. but i'll happily give folx tips re iron, if they bother to ask me ~prior~ to buying it.
trinque: I'm still renting the space, but do you really think this is how it oughta work?
ben_vulpes: trinque: yo i'm laboring under the impression that you did time in the server mines and knew what you were doing
ben_vulpes: expecting asciilifeform to read every colo thread in detail is an unbounded liability on my engineers time
trinque: I am not under the impression that the raid chip in that box is decorative.
trinque: what can I say
trinque: if somebody thinks I should try to track down an LSI, maybe he can tell me which one instead of amusing himself with what I oughtn't have done.
asciilifeform: actually i read every line of #pizarro to date. and reread just nao, to make sure that i did not miss being asked to advise trinque re his box.
asciilifeform: trinque: how many drives are you connecting ?
trinque: two per side; it's a two machine 1u
asciilifeform: i am using a lsi 9750-4I .
asciilifeform: ( there exists a 8-jack version of same also )
asciilifeform: you will need a kernel with '3ware' driver .
asciilifeform: on surplus market this device costs about 100 usd; from vendor, 400 or so.
ben_vulpes: unrelated, asciilifeform what sort of node density can we get in supermicro/opteron 1 or 2u form factors?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what means specifically 'node density' ?
ben_vulpes: this machine i'm working on for trinque has 2 servers in it, calls them 'nodes'
ben_vulpes: how dense do these things get?
asciilifeform: ... as in, it has 2 mobos, in one chassis, connected to 1 ps ?
ben_vulpes: yeah that's what it looked like when i opened it
mod6 reads upstack
asciilifeform: interesting, this is new to me. though i have in the past worked with 'blade' machines, e.g. 'HP ProLiant' BL series, they took 16 'blades' that independently slid out
asciilifeform: miniature mobos in a 8u, it was, chassis with dual ps
trinque: yeah, this is sorta like two large blades laying side by side.
ben_vulpes: made me realize that 0..1..00 and there might be opportunity to amortize rackspace cost with these things
trinque once worked for "RLX", very early blade manufacturer, had iirc a 24 chassis at the largest
asciilifeform: blades are spiffy but relatively expensive 'for the horsepower'. you pay for the 'tightness'.
asciilifeform: ( and also naturally has the vendor lock-in, afaik there is even today no standard blade shape. you end up marrying a particular one. )
trinque: yep RLX met an inglorious end
ben_vulpes: so trinque this is a fakeraid, i'm going to gentooize one of the drives in each node and let you take it from when i rack it
trinque: fakeraid indeed, looks like.
ben_vulpes: aight then i have marching orders
mod6: So, my thought here is... perhaps if a customer wants a colocated box, he ought to set it up ahead of time, then ship it wherever to be installed. If a customer wants Pizarro to set it up for him, maybe there is a service fee involved.
mod6: Just sayin', we're probably going to have similar problems such as this quite a bit. Just thinking ahead to get out in front of it.
trinque: sure. in this case, I purchased this box the moment I knew there was going to be a Pizarro to home it, and had to have it to ben_vulpes ~immediately, or I'd have built it here and shipped.
ben_vulpes: mod6: perks of getting in early
ben_vulpes: while i'm doing everything i can to get boxes racked, sweetheart deals like this where i bolt together servers and install software on them will be thick on the ground. later, not so much.
mod6: trinque: I hear yah, not placing any blame or anything at all. Just see how this kinda problem will arise quite a bit. Totally external to this specific instance.
ben_vulpes: idem the fuckgoats pricing: get them now, in bulk, and you'll get good prices. wait around, buy ones and twos, it's going to be steep.
ben_vulpes: this is exactly in line with everything else in the republic. you snooze, you lose.
mod6: aha.
trinque: ben_vulpes: alright you sold another FG then. pls can has 2?
ben_vulpes: trinque: :D
ben_vulpes: you got it, buddy
ben_vulpes: one plugged into each node?
trinque: certainly
ben_vulpes: trinque: gets the sweetheart deal of sweetheart deals; hand-tended box and fuckgoats racked at cost
ben_vulpes: odds of that being a deal anyone can get for much longer are vanishingly slim
mod6: sounds good to me.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: get 36 please
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: in reviewing statements, it looks like you closed january sitting on some twenty bitcents of cash and leperolade each; can you provide an accounting for these stashes?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: please price a 50' roll of cat5; i'll bring a crimper and bag plastic geegaws
ben_vulpes: price, don't buy
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6 : what other tools/consumables do we need to stock down south
ben_vulpes: trinque: node 1 is up
ben_vulpes: http://pizarroisp.net/?p=19
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: in reviewing statements, it looks like you closed january sitting on some twenty bitcents of cash and leperolade each; can you provide an accounting for these stashes? << The cash balance of the bitcents is the same. I'll walk out ang grab the rack studs and prices for cat 5 and power cables then deliver the USD accounting.
BingoBoingo: And I will also grab prices for network cable at length, just in case the local import weird leaves them the less expensive way to do it.
BingoBoingo: Well, I'll walk out there after I write up this latest watermelon outta Sudafrica.
mod6: <@ben_vulpes> http://pizarroisp.net/?p=19 << Hey!
mod6 looks
mod6: <@ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: get 36 please << so you may need 4 rack bolts (for the front tabs of the boxes) per machine. i certainly isn't horrible to have extras on hand.
mod6: (not sure if the 36 account for that or not, my guess is not)
mod6: imho, you're going to want to have an assortment of : 3 sizes of Phillips screw drivers, 3 sizes of flat-heads, a needle-nose pliers, a slip-joint or channel lock / tongue & groove pliers, wire cutters/strippers, RJ45 crimper?, regular dead-blow hammer, rubber mallet, nylon mallet, rolls of electrical tape...
mod6: probably 500 velcro straps for cable management
mod6: flash light, & extra batteries * 3
mod6: it also never hurts to have half dozen pair of general purpose gloves.
mod6: all of these things grow legs...
mod6: Sounds like a lot, but when there, I'm sure you'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
mod6: If I think of anything else, i'll chime back in.
trinque: ben_vulpes: neato, got time to get me ssh before you depart? if so I'll get cranking on setup
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 : '3m' double-sided adhesive tape.
mod6: Aha, nice addition asciilifeform ^
asciilifeform: also in racks asciilifeform likes to keep one of those electronic peak temperature / peak humidity things
asciilifeform: mine is a 'ThermoPro TP50' (ten bux) but there's 9000 makers
mod6: Right, a multimeter isn't probably a horrible idea.
mod6: The Fluke ones arn't cheap, but, the one i have is pretty slick.
asciilifeform: the cheapest kind ( preferably with analogue arrow, won't get stolen.. ) is best for this .
asciilifeform: take also black electrician's tape.
mod6: that was in my list :]
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: right
mod6: aha, i agree about the cheap multimeter. but i wouldn't leave anything sitting around at all.
mod6: orcs
ben_vulpes: does raise the question of where are we to keep drive spares and hardware
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: any ideas on secure storage for drive spaces and hardware?
asciilifeform: prolly inside the rack proper, while there is room, is best.
asciilifeform: ( if enemy musters the courage to plunder the rack, problem in any case. but street scum cannot, presumably, enter the rack house. )
ben_vulpes: that'll work for now i suppose
ben_vulpes: hola hanbot
hanbot: howdy
ben_vulpes: what brings you by today?
hanbot: the general urge to keep up
mod6: BingoBoingo: did you ever check if the rack pads were screwed down?
mod6: one of these may come in handy:
mod6: https://www.ebay.com/p/IBM-31L8313-11-Rack-Wrench-T45233/3012053574
BingoBoingo: <mod6> <@ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: get 36 please << so you may need 4 rack bolts (for the front tabs of the boxes) per machine. i certainly isn't horrible to have extras on hand. << Just acquired the rack studs and prices, the studs came in a bag of 50
BingoBoingo: <mod6> imho, you're going to want to have an assortment of : 3 sizes of Phillips screw drivers, 3 sizes of flat-heads, a needle-nose pliers, a slip-joint or channel lock / tongue & groove pliers, wire cutters/strippers, RJ45 crimper?, regular dead-blow hammer, rubber mallet, nylon mallet, rolls of electrical tape... << There are ample screwdrivers (phillps, flat, torx, precision, and an assortment of bits for tamper resistant screws)and
BingoBoingo: needle nose pliers on my desk. Wire cutters/stripeprs too.
mod6: any channel locks?
BingoBoingo: No, those I did not pack. There is a claw hammer however, but no deadblow.
mod6: ah, claw hammer will be great. probably want a nylon one. rubber is good to have too.
mod6: it sounds funny, but you never know.
mod6: a 12" Stanley Wonder Bar can be helpful too
mod6: oh, also, a small step ladder.
mod6: unless you like to stand on rolling chairs.
BingoBoingo: The claw hammer is a 12 ounce estwing deal. Precision screwdrivers, tamper resistant bit set, and pliers are Klein. Also have a healthy surplus of carbide utility knife blades here.
BingoBoingo: Alright precios por effectivo: 12.81 US per 50 rack stud kit, 0.54 USD per meter of network cable, Feeding cable (yes, they call them cables de alimentacion here) 4.87 each.
BingoBoingo: The other option for network cables is Zona Laptop stocks 5 meter ethernet cables for 3 USD
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: any ideas on secure storage for drive spaces and hardware? << Inside the rack can work. For smaller items other lockable spaces (Cowork, hostel) inaccessible to the street bums are available.
ben_vulpes: trinque: nah, no time to bridge it to the outside world
ben_vulpes: paste me an ssh key and i'll slam it down, though
trinque: will do
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Are you setting up trinque's box with a static ip from our range or does it need dhcp?
ben_vulpes: draft contract specifies a single ip but i have a hunch he'll want two
ben_vulpes: anyways it has dhcpcd for ease of bootstrapping; trinque can chime in on how he plans to set it up
trinque: since the IP situation sounds fluid, dhcp is preferable
trinque: y'all can set up permanent leases on your dhcp server and control it from there
BingoBoingo: Well, we have .193 through .251 open now and with a static ip nothing needs to be done other than plugging it in. With dhcp we have to go through the dark arts of getting the dhcp server on the switch to work, an affair which is almost certainly going to incur some unknown quantity of downtime. Static would mean editing /etc/network/interfaces during the transition period to the new ip range and restarting networking. Then for a while
BingoBoingo: it would listen to ips out of both blocks. Once I get the fiat side report from down under done here I will get back into digging into switch documentation.
ben_vulpes: sounds like trinque gets static ips, at least for now. preferable this way imho.
mod6: Eventually having some sort of DHCP server won't be a bad idea, static ip allocation can be an additional fee. Down the road type of thing.
trinque: ben_vulpes: sounds fine
trinque: mod6: eh, you're going to allocate at least one IP per box anyway, why rotate them needlessly?
trinque: my comment was based on where to control allocation, not saying they oughta change periodically
mod6: I was thinking for people who may end up doing short term vps, that kinda thing.
mod6: Anyway, worth thinking about.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes et al: The February running tally with expenses made for March benefits (CoWork, etc) filtered out (to comply with ben_vulpes initial statment accounting said benefit realized in March as Payroll). http://pizarroisp.net/?p=19&cpage=1#comment-18
BingoBoingo: Going to grab some burritos from Tienda Inglesa and will be around for accounting questions.
ben_vulpes: trinque: node2 is up
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: will check in in a bit, attention demanded elsewhere
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Aite, while I wait for March to rollover baking a blog post on decisions I had to make baking AN) statements for your consideration.
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7ZgKP/?raw=true
trinque: ben_vulpes: and please leave yourself a user+key, just in case
trinque: much appreciated.
ben_vulpes: trinque: ack

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