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2018-6-30

jurov: mod6: the power supplies you bought month ago are now property of the Foundation?
mod6: Yup.
BingoBoingo: Running fiat tally http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/buwU5/?raw=true ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: So, we probably ought to start thinking about what happens if anyone comes into the net per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05
lobbes: ^^ no link to logline
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-30#390593 << Re: this thread. Does anyone have objections with me running a pizarro "mass-mailer"? (mod6, BingoBoingo)
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-30 02:06 mircea_popescu: eg : ask ~every single blogger on wordpress.com~ whether they wouldn't like their own hosting. you know those shitheels a) conspire to fuck up the internet and b) fleece the poor noobs something fierce. why not hurt an imperial outfit while helping some rando anontards ?
lobbes: and if so, would it be permissible to run such a mailer from the rockchip, or would this violate the "no-spam" clause?
BingoBoingo: Rockchip would not be the place to run a mass mailer
BingoBoingo: We really aren't equipped to shelter a mass mailer.
lobbes: Kk. I'll explore avenue of trying to do it out of homebase. My public toilet lappy seems like it would fit the bill; I just gotta research my home isp's terms and/or figure out a proxy server solution
lobbes: I'll update as I move forward. Btw, I have a draft of a formal 'sales report' I'll release tonight. I figure I'll release monthly reports in this manner
mod6: mornin Pizarro
mod6: We have some money to move around to get these bills paid.
mod6: Let's work together to get this done.
mod6: ben_vulpes: Let's talk through what needs doing and when as soon as you can.
mod6: Are there any other pressing matters that we need to be resolved right this moment?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> Are there any other pressing matters that we need to be resolved right this moment? << I need to put together a list of known recurring costs with the apartment and estimated recurring costs
BingoBoingo: And we need to think about what we do if catch interest during a fising expedition as per http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-7-5#393895 thread
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, here's an idea : suppose someone from pizarro were to contact ~all the "sexuality cultural war" websites out there, "feminists" "mra" whatever, and proposed pizarro sponsorship ?
mod6: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-7-9#396099 << This is great, please do, and also add in dates as to when bills are due.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:23 BingoBoingo: <mod6> Are there any other pressing matters that we need to be resolved right this moment? << I need to put together a list of known recurring costs with the apartment and estimated recurring costs
mod6: So the worry was that we do the fishing, and we might not have enough resources to cover?
BingoBoingo: Well, the more immediate concern is making sure we are ammenable to having something
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i am still waiting on an email from the dhl expediter asking for id for the ssd shipment
BingoBoingo: AIte
ben_vulpes: would you draft a note to them asking in re the shipment number i gpg'd you the other day?
BingoBoingo: Sure
mod6: ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, lobbes : Alright, so each month Pizarro has been remitting payments for accounts payable via a wire transfer, and a western union payment to BB directly.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WaC1G/?raw=true
mod6: The former we have currently handled, it's the latter that we need to come up with a new possible way to convert BTC to USD for WU payment.
mod6: The idea was to use lobbes' bot to conduct an auction for the fiat required each month.
asciilifeform: imho this is a good idea
ben_vulpes: we can fallback to ordinary purchases over lbtc but the rates suck, and it would be way great to keep this in-wot
asciilifeform: mod6: i can be the last-resort fallback for the WU, but would rather not eat 100% of it
ben_vulpes: mod6: pls to list with lobbesbot asap
asciilifeform: this will be a quite monumental, imho, first step to honest btc-usd price formation globally
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we can split this into tranches as well; 40usd per transaction (and 2 transactions) still beats the pants off lbtc rates
asciilifeform: right
mod6: We'll need good market participation. Perhaps this can be something that could be broken down into smaller lots. i.e. 0.1 each tranche or something. maybe more digestable for bidders at auction. however, is there a max number of WU's one can revieve each month? Picture; wot-guy-X buys 0.1, sends WU to BB, and the same with wot-guy-Y and wot-guy-Z.
ben_vulpes: mod6: 2 tranches of .15 btc
ben_vulpes: mod6: so far BingoBoingo has not tripped over any limits
mod6: Alright, I think we could swing for that.
mod6: <@ben_vulpes> mod6: so far BingoBoingo has not tripped over any limits << ok cool.
mod6: lobbes: hit me up, let's start the bidding.
mod6: i wanna see this thing start to be like bitcoin-otc used tobe.
BingoBoingo: In addition the lbtc market here hasn't been as dismal lately as it was back in December when I first tried it
ben_vulpes: mod6: http://lobbesblog.com/lobbesbotcommands
mod6 looks
mod6: BingoBoingo: ok good to know.
mod6: next question: when is the drop-dead date to have (all) WU payments to BB (day of the month) ?
mod6: lobbes: do all auctions need to be quoted in coppers?
mod6: (since this is no longer 1:1, I do not see this as acceptable)
mod6: (would be nice to so how quote satoshi, or maybe there can be a hidden '#pizarro specific' command ?
mod6: let me know what you think will work best :]
mod6: On another tangent, I did see that Mr. P. brought up his advertising on [4|8]-chan recently. I had been thinking about this a few weeks back -- perhaps when I made the banner ads.
mod6: I'm not sure what we might get out of an ad-campeign there, but it might be worth trying. Do we still know anyone over there?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> next question: when is the drop-dead date to have (all) WU payments to BB (day of the month) ? << Most convenient is the 15th, monthly bills start coming due the 20th for the local taxes
diana_coman: mod6, 10 coppers = 1 satoshi if that's any help
mod6: yeah, thanks diana_coman -- i rememered that it did a 10:1 split at one point
mod6: BingoBoingo: gotcha. thanks.
mod6: alright, we need cash, and in a hurry.
BingoBoingo: If we are going to keek doing WU, it is best to do it as a single transaction. I also can indeed eat wires
mod6: Why are multiple WUs a problem?
mod6: (Good to know about your Wire status -- that may be very helpful for folks trying to pay fiat to us for the coins).
BingoBoingo: Each incoming WU is a trip to the place WU gets picked up which involves playing the wait in line game
mod6: ok,
mod6: but they won't give you 100 years in teh electric chair for using it more than once?
BingoBoingo: I don't believe they will
mod6: heheh
mod6: ok. we'll take what we can get, but I'll try to say "wire" preferred.
mod6: do i have all the needed banking info and things for WU and Wire for you?
mod6: I probably do somewhere, if you have a spare minute today, perhaps put the WU info at the top of a text file, and then stick all of the necessary Wire info after a line of '----------' at the bottom.
mod6: Another thing that comes to mind with doing a 'Wire' is that we'll have to ensure that people who do this are in the wot, ofc, but additionally, we'll need to probably wait until we release the coins.
mod6: (Wait until the wire clears).
ben_vulpes: mod6: that is how i did it with jurov last month
mod6: This might be ok with prospective buyers, I'm not super certain if they're used to this arrangement in extra-tmsr~ btc/wire tradeds.
mod6: *trades
mod6: ben_vulpes: ah, ok good to know. hopefully others won't mind the wait.
mod6: does anyone know what the minimum is for a wire?
mod6: $50 ?
asciilifeform: mod6: afaik there isn't a minimum, but wire per se ~costs~ about 50
mod6: I'm kinda wondering if eventually we break the tranche size down smaller, to say something like 0.05 then we can get a few more participants.
mod6: asciilifeform: ahh, ok thanks.
mod6: that's what I was remembering i think.
BingoBoingo: The one other relevant concern here is the fiat side paperwork. We can probably go up to 2100 or 2200 USD a month before I outgrow my current fiat business classification and have to worry about VAT bullshit. Anything over that amount would be safer handled by sending Bitcoin here for me to flip on localbitcoins
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-7-9#396260 << feel free to start an auction in #eulora. like diana_coman said it is 10 ecu (coppers) to one satoshi
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-07-09 17:59 mod6: lobbes: hit me up, let's start the bidding.
lobbes: I'm knee-deep in saecular nonsense atm, but I'm 'working from home' today so I'll be nearby my terminal if you have any questions/issues
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-7-9#396269 << I would want to both give this some thought and give the current eulora users time to weigh in before making any drastic changes to the functionality of the commands. That being said, I don't readily see any problems with -displaying- the BTC amount next to the ECU amount in the auction announce lists
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-07-09 18:05 mod6: (would be nice to so how quote satoshi, or maybe there can be a hidden '#pizarro specific' command ?
lobbes: If it is any reassurance, non-eulora items denominated in Ecu -have- been sold in the past >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2017-12-18.log.html#t20:44:22
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-12-18 20:44:22: <lobbesbot> AUCTION # 163 has ENDED: The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included. SOLD to danielpbarron for 1mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
lobbes bbl, meat
mod6: ah, gotcha, thanks lobbes.
mod6: displaying the BTC amount next to the ECU amount would be a step in the right direction.
mod6: I would like the order description to be clear enough that market participants understand what they are bidding on.
mod6: (for example: they understand they're bidding to purchase BTC, not ECU)
mod6: BingoBoingo: good to know; we should be good for a while.
lobbes: mod6: hmm, well maybe not. Response from mp in #e with re: to displaying BTC amount next to Ecu >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-09.log.html#t20:18:25
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-09 20:18:25: <mircea_popescu> lobbes oh, i thought you meant on the website. no, not in channel, line's too long as it is.
lobbes: you could just make the auction description state that this is for BTC and not ECU, or am I missing something here?
lobbes: (i.e. you can fill in the auction description text with whatever you want)
mod6: alright.
mod6: I need to start up an auction right awat.
mod6: I need to start up an auction right away
lobbes: go for it, you should be able to (just make sure to issue !Qauction command in #eulora)
lobbes brb for reals
mod6: !Qauction 1025 USD 72 0.15 Bitcoin For Sale
lobbesbot: mod6: Error: 'USD' is not a valid integer.
mod6: !Qauction 1025 USD 72 0.15 Bitcoin For Sale
lobbesbot: mod6: Error: 'USD' is not a valid integer.
mod6: !Qauction $1025 72 0.15 Bitcoin For Sale
lobbesbot: mod6: Error: Invalid bid input. Examples of valid input: 12 ; 37k ; 1.3mn
mod6: !Qauction 1025USD 72 0.15 Bitcoin For Sale
lobbesbot: mod6: Error: Invalid bid input. Examples of valid input: 12 ; 37k ; 1.3mn
ben_vulpes: mod6: it's [opening bid in coppers] [duration in hours] [item]
ben_vulpes: so [.15btc in coppers] [days * 24] [1025 USD]
mod6: ooh
mod6: !Qauction 1500000000 72 1025 USD
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 288 STARTED by mod6: 1025 USD Opening: 1500000000 coppers Ending: 2018-07-12 20:35:38 UTC (72 hours)
mod6: !Qauction 1500000000 72 1025 USD
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 289 STARTED by mod6: 1025 USD Opening: 1500000000 coppers Ending: 2018-07-12 20:35:56 UTC (72 hours)
diana_coman: mod6, you can also use "mn" for million maybe take a peak at #eulora logs?
mod6: Ok thanks diana_coman
diana_coman: peek*
mod6: Folks, the auctions are live, winnner of the auction will make a wire payment of the $1025 USD to the bank account we provide you. Upon receipt of the wire transfer, I'll send the BTC.
mod6: Uhh, I wonder if this is a bad format for this?
mod6: $1025 makes this a minimum bid right?
diana_coman: the "opening" is the minimum bid
mod6: i don't want someone to bid $1, then have to sell 0.15 BTC to some guy because no one else bid more.
mod6: gotcha.
diana_coman: i.e. you are selling 1025USD for a minimum of 1500mn ECu
mod6: ah, i see, it's kinda the reverse of what I was thinking.
diana_coman: you can cancel the auction with !QAuctionCancel if something is wrong
mod6: *nod* thanks :]
diana_coman: !Qhelp
lobbesbot: diana_coman: http://lobbesblog.com/lobbesbotcommands
diana_coman: there
mod6: cheers
diana_coman: np
diana_coman: but uhm, mod6 you are in fact selling btc, not dollars, aren't you?
diana_coman: I'm rather confused here
mod6: yes. i'm selling btc.
mod6: ok this clearly isn't going to work.
mod6: !Qauctioncancel 288
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 288 was cancelled by mod6
mod6: !Qauctioncancel 289
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 289 was cancelled by mod6
mod6: Anyway, that's not going to work, see #trilema.
mod6: I'm selling the 0.15 BTC chunks (two chunks total) for $1025 USD -- only available this week); please let me know if you're interested.
mod6: Buyer must be 1: willing to make a WU payment or Wire Transfer to a specified location or bank account 2: must wait to recieve bitcoins until WU or Wire Transfer is complete.
danielpbarron: BTC *is* ECU
danielpbarron: the two are equiv
danielpbarron: that is, if you buy ECU, you have effectively bought BTC
danielpbarron: and yeah, in your case you are *buying* USD
lobbes: yeah, but how to sell BTC/ECU for fiat?
danielpbarron: maybe it's time to implement the reverse auction
danielpbarron: the buyer starts the auction at a certain ECU price, and the sellers *under*bid it
lobbes: interesting. I do remember those threads somewhere
lobbes: that would solve this issue, huh?
danielpbarron: i suspect it would
shinohai: In other sysadmin nyooz http://archive.is/YiLsi
asciilifeform: lol shinohai , pretty great
asciilifeform: cisco-grade.
mod6: wb
mod6: mornin'
shinohai: heya mod6 how goes
mod6: oh not too bad, how you been shinohai ?
shinohai: Pretty good here, hot but plenty of refreshing beverages to keep cool with ;)
mod6: hey, gotta have that.
mod6: it was really nice here yesterday.
shinohai: lol got pulled away to go swimming mod6 (102 degrees here!) how goes pizarro
mod6: daaaang.
mod6: it's 90 here, sux.
mod6: it's goin, just tryin to keep up. :]
mats: asciilifeform: can you demonstrate how to include a subkey using pgpy?
asciilifeform: mats: i've never once tried this. but the docs suggest that you can; rtfm
mats: the docs are not helpful. i read https://gist.github.com/Commod0re/7560faa37a8a478d6792a1be257b83b8 which reflects the script by jurov, but doesn't describe subkey mechanics
mats: this is the last task preventing inclusion of pgp keys in the form (primary key packet: ssh pubkey, user id packet: ip addr found + ssh comment string + tls fields + http title, sub key packet: tls pubkey)
mats: asciilifeform: in the absence of a answer for subkey insertion, i'm going to separately submit ssh and tls keys
asciilifeform: ok
jurov: BingoBoingo: we'll be doing the exchange for hosting payment every month? IIRC you wrote about some limit
BingoBoingo: jurov: The datacenter is every month. The limit is a different problem.
jurov: OK. I will plan to provide the liquidity.
jurov: AML may be involved too - I'm researching if they want anything more beyond name/address, will let you know.
mod6: Thanks jurov
BingoBoingo: Thank you

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