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2018-7-10 | 2018-7-12

hanbot: !Qbid 291 19.5mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 291: 14 AW q711.827571429 Heard: 19.5mn from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-07-13 19:31:20 UTC (66 hours 31 mins)
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (65h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (7h13) >>> 634 WOA q839
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=19.5mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (66h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 172.5mn total bids ---
Mocky: so mircea_popescu how would you like to specify quality band to the mining bot? will yet-another-parameter suffice?
mircea_popescu: can it have a config file ? put all the defaults in there ? if not, i guess another param...
mircea_popescu: honestly im doing a lot of 6000 9999 as it is.
mircea_popescu: could have all these in a textfile save a whole lotta trouble.
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (64h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (6h13) >>> 634 WOA q839
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=19.5mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (65h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 172.5mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: btw Mocky wanna do a coupla clicks for me ?
Mocky: i was thinking config file might be better
Mocky: i'll click yeah
Mocky: mircea_popescu, i'll be available to do clicks for about the next 45 mins
mircea_popescu: ok need like 15 to set them up.
mircea_popescu: Mocky if it's not too much to ask, unix style x=value params would be a whole fucklot better, too. this positional args thing is for the birds
Mocky: agreed
mircea_popescu: Mocky trade
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you go posix then i can just set what i want set and everything else gets taken from default file. win-win.
mircea_popescu: wd hehe
mircea_popescu: o noes mocky owns the top!!!
Mocky: ok 2 more to do, but gotta trade ya first
mircea_popescu: you should prolly screen cap that
mircea_popescu: Mocky hit me
danielpbarron: !Qbid 291 21mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 291: 14 AW q711.827571429 Heard: 21mn from danielpbarron overbidding hanbot Ending: 2018-07-13 19:31:20 UTC (64 hours 50 mins)
Mocky: ok that's good for now, i'll do these last 2
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: i also have 6 more, you doing these also ?
Mocky: yeah sure
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
mircea_popescu: i
mircea_popescu: oops.
Mocky: ok
Mocky: one more from first batch
Mocky: toupes lol
mircea_popescu: >D
Mocky: ok mircea_popescu that's all of it
mircea_popescu: aite!
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (63h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (5h13) >>> 634 WOA q839
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (64h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 174mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: enjoy your well earned coppers!
Mocky: enjoy your toupes and hoof gloves, lol
Mocky pictures a funky ass sex dungeon
mircea_popescu: ehehe
mircea_popescu: hey hanbot
mircea_popescu: q 15k vss.
mircea_popescu: 12mn bv just about.
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (62h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (4h13) >>> 634 WOA q839
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (63h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 174mn total bids ---
hanbot: vss very what? what! omg.
hanbot: are you selling it?
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (61h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (3h13) >>> 634 WOA q839
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (62h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 174mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: i think i'd rather hold on to it.
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (60h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (2h13) >>> 634 WOA q839
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (61h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 174mn total bids ---
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 283 has ENDED: 634 WOA q839 SOLD to diana_coman for 153mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (57h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (58h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 21mn total bids ---
diana_coman: soooo fox clicks bundle worth 36mn and she gets...9mn of nosehairs with a sprinkle of flags; onth cor clicks bundle 33mn and he gets 31mn consisting in 3 wheels + some vapours
diana_coman: clearly fox can bundle but not click
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (52h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (53h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 21mn total bids ---
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, convenient time to get the woa?
diana_coman: !QCalc 1.2*15367*59*0.56
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 609270.816
diana_coman: !QAuction 609k 48 15367 Boulders q56
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 292 STARTED by diana_coman: 15367 Boulders q56 Opening: 609k coppers Ending: 2018-07-13 14:17:50 UTC (48 hours)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman sure lemme fish it out
mircea_popescu: !Qbid 292 610k
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 292: 15367 Boulders q56 Heard: 610k from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-07-13 14:17:50 UTC (47 hours 57 mins)
diana_coman: apparently foxy is at least skilled enough to dig up boulders , just about
mircea_popescu: lol i got a portable foxy to trade with
diana_coman: lol, how's that?
mircea_popescu: dang full.
mircea_popescu: listen accept ima give you the rest 2nd pass
mircea_popescu: diana_coman because my client thinks im you. so wherever i go so do you!
diana_coman: ahahah
mircea_popescu: 10coins also
diana_coman: aha, cool
diana_coman: Mocky, any eta on bot release?
diana_coman: those mini-runs are a pain really
mircea_popescu: omg mocky, diana_coman is encroaching upon our poptop!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, you know, I even got a few more vapours and q 1800+
diana_coman: basically cor's the guy for any lucky strikes
Mocky: mining bot release: Friday July 13, 18:30 GMT
Mocky: approx
diana_coman: ahahah
diana_coman: 12 trecute fix
mircea_popescu: lol
diana_coman: Mocky, sounds good, 2 more days to go
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 23.60 * 1764 * 12255
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 510180552
mircea_popescu: ha.
mircea_popescu: this is my entire stock of ancient woa ; i'm pretty satisfied it can't be reproduced in current conditions.
mircea_popescu is willing to sell, but... pricing such things...
diana_coman: lol those stocks; you kept saying you were out of it iirc
mircea_popescu: this is less q. was out of the topmost bestest.
diana_coman: anyways atm there is ~no demand for lvl2 numina of any sort it would seem so it's unclear even what to do with those I kept buying
mircea_popescu: hmmm, i guess nope. wtf was i saying ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman where did i say that ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-12.log.html#t06:07:53 http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-06.log.html#t00:39:42 http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-03.log.html#t22:00:09 << prev three auctions
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-12 06:07:53: <mircea_popescu> !Qauction 70mn 120 99 WOA q2310
mircea_popescu: diana_coman that i was out of woa
mircea_popescu: diana_coman anyway, i'd buy mites high q actually.
diana_coman: at what markup and what is "high q"?
diana_coman: min high q, lol
mircea_popescu: look what my problem is :
mircea_popescu: 1. i gotta click bouq cons, because i suspect the only way to get into journeyman is doing that.
diana_coman: aha
diana_coman still remembers the 1 try thing
mircea_popescu: 2. the problem with cons is that if you pop, you get loot, but if your output is < bundle bv, you get maculature.
mircea_popescu: (2.1. i have a shitload of processed maculature, ie lbn, which doesn't sell worth a crap ; and a bunch of high q dusts/mites i made this way)
mircea_popescu: ((2.1.1. maybe with mocky's bot being active the lbn stocks burn off and there's some demand, dunno.)))
mircea_popescu: 3. the bv of the bundle can be either book+ink or mites. these are two directly separable classes.
diana_coman: I suspect it will burn off, yes; fwiw even with those mini-runs I eat up a stack of lbn in < day
mircea_popescu: 4. should i have noob click or click myself ? what if higher level crafter has better chances at looting high end shit if he loots ?
diana_coman: I suspect you simply need to click it with noob
diana_coman: but better chances bla bla don't even come into play if you don't have enough input to even account for them
mircea_popescu: so in conclusion : a. waiting may be wise ; b. if mite % is < book+ink % then i want mites. if not maybe not, because i suspect it's better to do 10 clicks 10mn each than 1 100mn click ?
diana_coman: think of it: high crafter means ALSO high q and you are aiming for high end so ...
diana_coman: dunno, what's the bv of journeyman cons?
mircea_popescu: right, but these are bps, none of them are worth 1mn.
mircea_popescu: lessee
diana_coman: but if you get them at some 10k q or whatevs...
diana_coman: that's the added trouble with high skilled
mircea_popescu: diana_coman 30k.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, i project i'd be getting q ~200 or so.
diana_coman: and what q do you say you'd get?
diana_coman: ah
diana_coman: then I don't know, it might be feasible for you; with fox I can tell you that on a 1-2 clicks sort of thing chances are ~0; because she'll get out of it about a quarter of what she put in so ...
mircea_popescu: there's another cartch :
diana_coman: see above the report on the 34mn bundles
mircea_popescu: 5. if i have noob click i get ~worthless maculature. if i click myself at least i can make high q lbn after
diana_coman: not to mention that goodness, one wants low q cons, not insane high q again
diana_coman: there is no such thing as worthless maculature really, lol
mircea_popescu: basically, i can't make a decision as to either i) who to click ; ii) how to loadout or o.o) do it now or wait.
diana_coman: I get it, you have 1k rank in bouq or some shit
mircea_popescu: this is the state of the art in the high end bouq line, for anyone's edification.
diana_coman: wait for what?
mircea_popescu: for lbn to burn off creating a market for it.
mircea_popescu: as per 2.1.1
diana_coman scratches head
mircea_popescu: what ?
mircea_popescu: if i could price lbn i could price maculature permitting me to resolve i) and ii)
mircea_popescu: or at least get closer to it.
diana_coman: nothing can be priced for reals currently
mircea_popescu: well certainly not with a mega glut of lbn sitting around.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine thread is worth 135% on q 100, but lbn q15k is worth 120%
diana_coman: uhm, I'm not even all that sure tbh
diana_coman: because on smalls I get higher q ~always
mircea_popescu: hm.
diana_coman: and since lower q harvestables are barely paid even 120%
mircea_popescu: well wtf can i tell you ; atm the problem is "here, take the risk of this 8 or even 9!!! figure click, and the result may well be a) 24% or so of what you put in and b) market valued ~120%, even if you paid 250% on the ingredients, and used the most expensive tool/bp in the game etc".
diana_coman: I am not at all that keen on tinies; sure, on the odd occasion they pop when overloaded but onth I'd much rather pop on a small
mircea_popescu: i think i lost like a billion and a half last month doing consen.
diana_coman: I honestly don't see the case for high q crafter click; the ~only "reason" is your repeatedly stated assertion that higher q crafter has better chances on high end stuff
diana_coman: which btw is unclear where it's coming from so it's kind of suspiciously "because I know something you don't "
mircea_popescu: repeated ?
diana_coman goes to search logs
mircea_popescu: looky! you said i said im out of woa, can't find it ; oyu say i said etc. whar!!!
mircea_popescu: i prolly said i suspect, which i do suspect. because it's suspicious.
mircea_popescu: moreover -- the job here is to pop, and i've never seen a noob pop on anything.
diana_coman: gah, I hate this thing: I keep remembering stuff but no way to find it in logs
mircea_popescu: it's true i've never actually popped on consen either ; but then again i've seen non-noobs pop on other things. myself included
diana_coman: right, suspect, not "it IS so"
diana_coman: that certainly
mircea_popescu: actually... scratch that... i think my bn pop WAS a cons pop ? wasn't it ?
diana_coman: what do you mean no pop on cons??
mircea_popescu: who ever popped on cons ?
diana_coman: uhm; isn't the top full of cons click pops? or what don't I get here
mircea_popescu: well look, if i give mocky 46mn worth of bundle and he puts a 45.5 mn pop in the tops, it's true, it's a pop
mircea_popescu: but what i'm talking about is take x bundle, spit out 100x or 10000x worth of product
mircea_popescu: THAT kind of pop.
diana_coman: myeah, the only sort I would have called pop to start with; fwiw cor DID get several times more than he put in; now the factor wasn't 10000x for sure
mircea_popescu: and as best i understand it, THAT is the job ; get a cons pop, as in, click a 10 or 100mn bundle, get 1bn or 1trn ecu worth of loot
mircea_popescu: among which, hopefully, some j cons.
diana_coman: yes, the only way I saw that happening was on some long run
mircea_popescu: there's some logic to this, eg my 20mn pop yest yelded a vss ; i popped many times on maculature, and only EVER got vss on very high pops.
diana_coman: i.e. keep losing 75% (foxy) until finally you win 1000x
mircea_popescu: if this is correct, then indeed it is much better to do 10 cons clicks on a 10mn bundle than to do a single one on a 100mn bundle.
mircea_popescu: and if THIS is true, then it's possibly better to do full ink / dt clicks with little numina.
mircea_popescu: so it all goes to : what's dt %, what's mites %.
diana_coman: and what can you get in there anyway I guess
diana_coman: anyway, is dt cheaper than mites?
mircea_popescu: http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/auction.php?AuctionId=157 << 300% in the old days.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what dt even is nowadays.
diana_coman: and to wrap up earlier thread re better chances of highly skilled to hit high end stuff: do you mean that in the sense that high skill means better chances of higher multiplier i.e. get one time some 10000x of input?
diana_coman: or more than that?
mircea_popescu: i only got q1k bps, and i dun wanna lcick them ;/
mircea_popescu: you got low q dt bps ?
diana_coman: all my dt bps are high q and that kind of gets me stumped because
diana_coman: ahaha
diana_coman: ^
diana_coman: nope
diana_coman: I thought you clicked mcguyver cons
mircea_popescu: never got a dt.
mircea_popescu: correction, actually iirc noob hanbot popped like 10mn worth of thorns
mircea_popescu: in like... 2015.
diana_coman: aha!
diana_coman: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-17.log.html#t23:38:57 -> I think this registered not quite precisely, possibly because of the next line re flagons
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-17 23:38:57: <mircea_popescu> ^that'll be the last batch for at least a while.
diana_coman: anyway, getting back to the dilemma re clicks, it would seem that noob can do 1-2 clicks with a lighter heart; highly skilled should better make sure they have enough stuff for a long run where "long" is up to one's luck pretty much
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (51h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#292 O=609k HB=610k E=07-13 14:17:50 (47h7) >>> 15367 Boulders q56
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (52h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 21.61mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ah i see!
mircea_popescu: well, it's true, at the time the situation re woa was vague, and i wasn't going to sell more till i figured out wtf.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile bought, wpl, got flagons made, made and sold an experimental run, so in a better position to know
mircea_popescu: thus publicised stock.
mircea_popescu: i suppose'd have benefited from more verbosity.
diana_coman: makes sense; searching the logs for this was a bitch though and I have no idea what to do to make it easier next time
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (50h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#292 O=609k HB=610k E=07-13 14:17:50 (46h7) >>> 15367 Boulders q56
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (51h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 21.61mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: lobbes can search get a from: operator ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so i got like 40mn or so worth of mites ; and i got books for 18 clicks, so i could in principle make 2mn bundles and lcick them see what comes out...
mircea_popescu: +1.4mn for book itself and 2mn or so from the ink, of course, so like 5-6mn in total per click.
mircea_popescu: of course, part of the problem is that i gotta bundle 2 books at a minimum. and i dun wanna use 2 books.
mircea_popescu: basically the two stallers on bouq research are a) the stalled dt production line and b) the lbn glut
lobbesbot: A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (45h57) >>> 3050 IO q76
lobbesbot: A#292 O=609k HB=610k E=07-13 14:17:50 (41h7) >>> 15367 Boulders q56
lobbesbot: A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (46h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 21.61mn total bids ---

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