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2018-6-29 | 2018-7-1

hanbot: in other funs, it took ~20 hrs (disconnections included) for xmacro to get this grass pile i've been lugging around like we're married into storage.
mircea_popescu: auguri!
hanbot: you'd think grenadine'd be able to carry more clumps at a time after so much dedicated heavy lifting
Mocky: hanbot, you need a copy of lou ferrigno's scribblings on strength
Mocky: i'd give you my copy... but I can't lift it
hanbot: lol. either that, or just...lou ferrigno.
lobbesbot: A#254 O=1mn HB=No bids E=06-30 12:20:16 (10h11) >>> 2 TT q2067
lobbesbot: A#255 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-30 14:27:39 (12h19) >>> 4 SO q3840
lobbesbot: A#256 O=5mn HB=No bids E=06-30 21:08:25 (19h0) >>> 53 ATC q49
lobbesbot: A#252 O=75mn HB=75mn E=06-30 06:43:02 (4h34) >>> 273 MA q1103
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (37h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (37h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (37h20) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (37h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (39h59) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 303.9mn total bids ---
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 252 has ENDED: 273 MA q1103 SOLD to mircea_popescu for 75mn coppers. Attn: diana_coman
lobbesbot: A#254 O=1mn HB=No bids E=06-30 12:20:16 (5h11) >>> 2 TT q2067
lobbesbot: A#255 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-30 14:27:39 (7h19) >>> 4 SO q3840
lobbesbot: A#256 O=5mn HB=No bids E=06-30 21:08:25 (14h0) >>> 53 ATC q49
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (32h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (32h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (32h20) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (32h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (34h59) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 228.9mn total bids ---
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 254 has ENDED: No Sale. Attn: mircea_popescu
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 255 has ENDED: 4 SO q3840 SOLD to diana_coman for 40mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
lobbesbot: A#256 O=5mn HB=No bids E=06-30 21:08:25 (6h0) >>> 53 ATC q49
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (24h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (24h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (24h20) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (24h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (26h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 188.9mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: diana_coman around ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, 1 min
mircea_popescu: np
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ready
mircea_popescu: ty!
diana_coman: thanks!
diana_coman: so it would seem there is ~some use for the low q wpl, though not much
mircea_popescu: something like that
lobbesbot: A#256 O=5mn HB=No bids E=06-30 21:08:25 (5h0) >>> 53 ATC q49
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (23h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (23h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (23h20) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (23h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (25h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 188.9mn total bids ---
hanbot: diana_coman, convenient time for you to settle the wine?
diana_coman: hanbot, yes, give me 1 min to take out of storage
hanbot: kk
diana_coman: enjoy!
hanbot: ty!
diana_coman: 3mn of bod, congratulations mircea_popescu
diana_coman: what q are the bod from those q1103 MA?
mircea_popescu: !QAuction 10m 72 6 BoD q2188
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 262 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 6 BoD q2188 Opening: 10m coppers Ending: 2018-07-03 16:50:21 UTC (72 hours)
mircea_popescu: ty!
diana_coman: not bad
mircea_popescu: also put some q 2k snails / beans in the mix
mircea_popescu: but yeah, these were leveraged, only looted 2 times in 11 clicks.
diana_coman: !QCalc 10 / (6*21.88*29170)
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 2.61134950991e-06
diana_coman: oh, you mean 9 times you got only numina?
diana_coman: out of 11, ouch
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: it's hard out there for a pimo
mircea_popescu: trynna make the money for the auction...
diana_coman: myeah, that's the thing with high q - you turn 11 MA q1100 into 6 BoD at best, q 2200; double the q, half the number
mircea_popescu: you mean 44.
diana_coman: and that's still with a pop in the mix, no less
diana_coman: ahahah, great
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc (6 * 21.88 * 29170) / (44 * 11.03 * 13451)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 0.58661374607
mircea_popescu: seems to me that it's actually a good deal, in being less than a 50% loss.
diana_coman: it certainly is less than 50% loss
diana_coman: not so sure whether "good" is an issue there at all; more like: is it sustainable?
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
mircea_popescu: i honestly only did the clicks to have the datapoint.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, btw, do you still have any wpl remark bundles from spirover?
diana_coman: since no double distillates at all and I already ate those I had, I'm in two minds if I shouldn't build that darned remark anyway, even if I'll get q1 wpl
diana_coman: it's sort of either get the few mns in q1 wpl or through them away entirely, dunno
diana_coman: which option is "good" there
mircea_popescu: i do, yeah.\
mircea_popescu: how am i gonna price 'em though o.o
diana_coman: what markup do you want for it?
diana_coman: or dunno, would you rather buy the remark? (how the fuck do I price that)
mircea_popescu: yes, actually, i'd rather buy the remark tbh...
diana_coman: look at this: the enum by itself is 3.4mn!
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever dug up a remark
diana_coman: if enums are like rest of bps 10% of value, the remark would be somewhere around 34mn? o.O
diana_coman: obv, q comes into it and hell knows how
mircea_popescu: but if that were true how would you end up with q 1 bs.
diana_coman: I'm quite certain you WILL end up with q1 stuff, yes
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: no my idea is because im a noob maybe not ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, what q is the enum ?
diana_coman: q1720
diana_coman: I haven't managed to see noobs NOT end up with q1 on ord, let alone remarks (granted: never built remark with noob)
mircea_popescu: hmpf. how could q 1.7k yield q1
diana_coman: seriously?
diana_coman: let me dig that up for you
mircea_popescu: diana_coman and to add lulz to injury, my farming is l1.
diana_coman: in ze logs
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nevermind. i checked -- dun have wpl.
diana_coman: darn, where were those mn eps
mircea_popescu: only wwb and wm
diana_coman: hm?
mircea_popescu: got ord wpl, but not remark. i suppose they might've been too heavy
mircea_popescu: i got sizable too. just not remark.
diana_coman: lmao, so what were we taking about here
mircea_popescu: yup, dead.
lobbesbot: A#256 O=5mn HB=No bids E=06-30 21:08:25 (4h0) >>> 53 ATC q49
lobbesbot: A#262 O=10mn HB=No bids E=07-03 16:50:21 (71h41) >>> 6 BoD q2188
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (22h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (22h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (22h20) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (22h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (24h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 188.9mn total bids ---
diana_coman: oh well, not the first remarks I lose because can't build them any way, go me
diana_coman: I guess I should be happy the enums don't vanish too
mircea_popescu: if you find me dd bps ima make you some.
diana_coman: if you sell me some app gumbo I might stand a chance of finding those
diana_coman: or at least I can *try*
diana_coman: other than that dunno, I keep digging around but so far no bps from the ground at all
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know i got ~5~ journeyman gumbo
diana_coman: do you think it's journeyman?
mircea_popescu: need 232 asg
mircea_popescu: well... figure it's a better shot neh ?
diana_coman: danielpbarron is sitting on those remembrance tincture bps and apparently not even using them or something, what can I say
mircea_popescu: you got any grime ?
diana_coman: 2 of them, lel
mircea_popescu: i could click with 2...
diana_coman: come to think of it I suppose one way to go about it would be to do some high value cooking for looting only
diana_coman: to get more grimes maybe
mircea_popescu: of course, should i even click ?
diana_coman: they are q541 and q540
diana_coman: I think it's prolly a noob that should click
mircea_popescu: prolly huh.
mircea_popescu: so then i really should... sell these ?
diana_coman: for one thing wtf are you going to do with some q2000 bps?
mircea_popescu: how naive and youthful you are
diana_coman: well, noob won't have money to buy so dunno if sell necessarily; you need a click
mircea_popescu: q2000 bps ? really ?
mircea_popescu: TRY TEN THOUSAND!!!
diana_coman: what, 10k?
diana_coman: eh, what's in a k
diana_coman: lol
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: we're fucked, i can't click these. even noob will en d up with like q100 or some shit
diana_coman: that's not THAT bad
diana_coman: what would you even want for those anyway?
diana_coman: or for one of them or what
diana_coman: honestly I'd try first to get more grimes I suppose, can't hurt to try at least
mircea_popescu: i don[' even recall how i got them
diana_coman: auction?
mircea_popescu: must be. im digging
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-june-2016-statement/ << wtf ?! i don't have these ?
mircea_popescu: did someone else get them ?!
diana_coman: well,grep your chat log since you gave them away?
diana_coman: maybe it was one of those auctions that didn't happen, don't recall
mircea_popescu: the mysteries of eulora.
mircea_popescu: but the chatlog idea is sound
mircea_popescu: not found o.O
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2017-05-03.log.html#t06:50:08
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-05-03 06:50:08: <lobbesbot> A#72 O=1.561mn HB=15.2mn E=05-03 15:51:14 (9h1) >>> 5 never before seen Journeyman Lapidary Considerations q 1000.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so they went for 15 (old) millions. you want to pay 200mn for all 5 or 50mn for one ?
diana_coman: 200mn for all 5
mircea_popescu: deal.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman sent you trade
mircea_popescu: good luck to you!
diana_coman: 1 to 183 grimes, oh my
mircea_popescu: and if you want me to package for you, i'll do it free.
diana_coman: will need it
mircea_popescu: 232.
diana_coman: yes, if I can get them first; and at some good q as otherwise what's the point
diana_coman: I guess now...
diana_coman: !QBid 262 10m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 262: 6 BoD q2188 Heard: 10mn from diana_coman Ending: 2018-07-03 16:50:21 UTC (71 hours 15 mins)
diana_coman: what's 10mn where 200 went
danielpbarron: i can see about making some rememberance tinctures. they use almost wine
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron are you short on that then ?
danielpbarron: yeah
diana_coman: uhm
mircea_popescu: im trying to decide what to make wioth this wpl i bought. i mean, it's either tuber milk or wine
danielpbarron: they also use cs but i got those
mircea_popescu: so i guess then wine it is.
danielpbarron: i guess tuber milk is also handy. what do ppl want more: tincture or screens?
mircea_popescu: screens i sold a few could sell a few more, so i guess not just as pressing.
diana_coman: also, they can get replaced
mircea_popescu: whereas tincture is afaik inexistent
mircea_popescu would defo buy some
danielpbarron: ok then
mircea_popescu: aite prolly will have a bunch of wine next week. won't be as high as previous sets i guess, but what can you do.
danielpbarron: i have wine for now (i think) from a somewhat recent auction
danielpbarron: but i want replacement wine if i'm gonna use it on that
diana_coman: aw was one of the things that kept being offered, what can I say
mircea_popescu: yeah what happened to you danielpbarron , went silent for like a month there
danielpbarron: 2 weeks
danielpbarron: i was in new hampshire
mircea_popescu: was it any fun ?
danielpbarron: oh yeah, we got kicked out and talked ourselves back in
danielpbarron: blogpost prolly incomming
diana_coman: ha, so to get danielpbarron talking, one needs to ...kick him out
danielpbarron: haha
diana_coman: tbh I'm half afraid this journeyman gumbo will give out some cake bps or that shit
lobbesbot: A#256 O=5mn HB=No bids E=06-30 21:08:25 (3h0) >>> 53 ATC q49
lobbesbot: A#262 O=10mn HB=10mn E=07-03 16:50:21 (70h41) >>> 6 BoD q2188
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (21h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (21h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (21h20) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (21h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (23h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 198.9mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: diana_coman who even knows. maybe you get the altar bps, whichever they were
mircea_popescu: i recall having to make distillates for hanbot once
diana_coman: what, altar made gumbo??
mircea_popescu: she got a recipe once, it took some distillates
diana_coman: it took the distillates, it wasn't made by cooking though
mircea_popescu: but the ~distillates~ are.
diana_coman: it's the distillates I wanted in the first place for the remark
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds though
diana_coman: or at least two
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: logically there'd be three i guess
diana_coman: the double distillates (wood) are what I need
diana_coman: did she have triple distillates or what?
mircea_popescu: pretty sure yeah
diana_coman: simple distillate bps I even still have I think
mircea_popescu: me2
diana_coman: on a different note, re wpl xp and that, it really strikes me as inevitable atm from a miner's perspective that best deal as things stand is to ...mix low q with higher q to get it overall at smallest sweet spot
diana_coman: because low q is easy to get; high q is harder than it's paid for
diana_coman: so...
diana_coman: but the root problem is still in no model for prices wrt q there
mircea_popescu: what's the lowest sweet spot ?
diana_coman: it depends on how prices are calc, neh? there isn't even any calc for non-basics really
diana_coman: basically at the point where one gains more from the bulk of lowering q than from adding q
mircea_popescu: the problem here is this : to get low q bps, you can use noob cons click. to get high q bps, you have to get master cons click. the former is expensive for many reasons, such as much fewer bp count.
mircea_popescu: therefore -- upping the quality of bundle through high bp is actually very expensive.
mircea_popescu: i mean yes, bv of bp only 1/10 that of bundle ; but markup on bp huge as compared to bundle also.
diana_coman: I suspect it's mainly an artefact though
mircea_popescu: to get the same qx, do i prefer to use 10 ecu bp at 1500% and 100 ecu bundle at 150% or 1 ecu bp at 2000% and 200 ecu bundle at 200% ? sorta thing\
diana_coman: for one thing it's not even clear to me that atm bps really go for that anymore; at least ~any bp
mircea_popescu: i think ti depends a lot on bp yes
mircea_popescu: the old style bp socialism no longer sustainable
mircea_popescu: used to be "every bp gets its bundle". but ... not anymore.
diana_coman: for the other thing it's really simple on the other side: a. for every q1000 item one gets a load of q30 items in the process ; b. the very low q (1-10) can actually be gotten with noobs at ~0 bv loss
mircea_popescu: yeahbut those are basically quality halvers.
diana_coman: so if one loses say 80% to get q1000 and that's not translated into the markup for q1000 resources
mircea_popescu: looky : you have 100 wpl q 100. you could make it 200 wpl q 51... so basically... sell an extra 100 units of ~no bv.
diana_coman: then ...mix them down and can eat a smaller markup
diana_coman: it's not only bv, no
mircea_popescu: but basically by halving your quality you just get to sell 1% more or so.
diana_coman: ugh; it's not about bv only...
diana_coman: it's about lower markup acceptable
mircea_popescu: i guess...
diana_coman: the other way is of course that markup paid for q 1000 is enough to cover getting it at that q anyway and that's it
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anything's going to be enough for anything ever sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: just shades of insufficiency.
diana_coman: guess so; introducing the third option of course: it costs so much to keep the darned things that one sells them at whatever price
mircea_popescu: why does it cost to keep ?
diana_coman: running out of space in storage, ages to take it out/put it in, whatever; just adding to the insufficiency, nothing else
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's that.
mircea_popescu: i certainly made a spectacular ~half bn loss by shredding a bunch of bps mostly to make room.
diana_coman: so hm, why not sell them at bv or something? between 1000% and 100% one would think there is enough space to go, dunno
mircea_popescu: i hoped i'd get something
mircea_popescu: i did get like 100 bouq levels, but no pop. CUZ HANBOT STOLED IT
diana_coman: got dusts at least?
mircea_popescu: yeah. and lbn and so on. just no spectacular.
diana_coman: ah, xp is not bad yes, there is that; sort of the hope/hook
mircea_popescu: honestly i was hoping ima top the top.
diana_coman: that's why I still kept sending fox gathering with an axe - she does still rank up
diana_coman: onth with cs she does get really high q resources but few and it's unclear there really are cs enough to go mining with them as if they were hoes
diana_coman: maybe that's the missing link - need to go mining with 1mn cs and problem solved
mircea_popescu: word.
lobbesbot: A#256 O=5mn HB=No bids E=06-30 21:08:25 (1h59) >>> 53 ATC q49
lobbesbot: A#262 O=10mn HB=10mn E=07-03 16:50:21 (69h41) >>> 6 BoD q2188
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (20h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (20h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (20h20) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (20h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (22h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 198.9mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: diana_coman whoa wd!
diana_coman: ha, not that bad; although mostly numina but at least they'll come in handy to make grimes I guess
mircea_popescu: you don't loot on pops ?
diana_coman: I do; but loot can be numina only
diana_coman: it's anyway totally unclear what is "loot" and what is "output" anymore
mircea_popescu: i meant here, don't you get lots of the intended product, when you po p?
diana_coman: not always, not even all-that-frequently-with-fox, no
diana_coman: onth cor gets the product as loot even on non-pop
diana_coman: i.e. he somehow gets the product ~always, either first thing or loot later on
diana_coman: maybe foxy's good at lapidary for a reason - to make something of all those useless numina she gets otherwise, lol
mircea_popescu: hm. i get it lots too
mircea_popescu: as in, a pop pretty much guaranteed to have a decent % of product.
diana_coman: foxy is one of a kind!
mircea_popescu: apparently
mircea_popescu: a damn. diana_coman mind putting the j through auction ?
diana_coman: not at all, go ahead and I'll bid
diana_coman: but they were through auction at that time and I didn't see them?
mircea_popescu: !QAuction 200m 1 5 JGC q10000
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 263 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 5 JGC q10000 Opening: 200m coppers Ending: 2018-06-30 20:30:43 UTC (1 hours)
diana_coman: original s.mg auction
diana_coman: !Qbid 263 200m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 263: 5 JGC q10000 Heard: 200mn from diana_coman Ending: 2018-06-30 20:30:43 UTC (0 hours 59 mins)
mircea_popescu: yeah at some point a year or so ago.
diana_coman: iirc there was this point that rare/oddball items not that much worth recording
mircea_popescu: was there ?
diana_coman digs
mircea_popescu: seems to me if money change hands, esp in the 9 figures... worth knowing about
diana_coman: I can't quite find it and I don't think it's worth digging for it all that much
mircea_popescu: agreed.
mircea_popescu: btw, should i sell ladles then ?
diana_coman: and yes, I think it was more at the very beginning when lobbes was questioning what to do /how to record and what
diana_coman: not really, I have tons and ...getting more ; see above
diana_coman: and I don't even know how many tinctures there will be or at what markup so sort of premature to say I need laddles - I have tons
mircea_popescu: sadly i only got low q ones.
mircea_popescu: have some nice q10k lints, but that's it.
diana_coman: even worse; at least I'd use high q ones to get some super-grimes
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you mean the orig auction ? i linked it before
mircea_popescu: A#69 or so
diana_coman: yes, but it wasn't in the list when I searched lobbes's price thing
diana_coman: 72 iirc
diana_coman: i.e. it was an auction, but it wasn't recorded in the history browser or smth
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. hey lobbes ! you got old data not reflected ?
diana_coman: ftr I got >9k laddles only from this gin run, lolz
diana_coman: sadly no grime
mircea_popescu: 9k count or 9k q ?
mircea_popescu: should i sell some q410 ltf btw ?
diana_coman: 9k count
diana_coman: atm I'll finish this gin run, then feed it to some thread , then to some dt
diana_coman: and then hopefully get the bod too and click some cons and ...see what comes out
mircea_popescu: sounds like a plan.
mircea_popescu: i got 3 vapors myself... maybe i should click a j mcguyver cons...
diana_coman: I have a few too, should I sell them?
mircea_popescu: yes, actually.
mircea_popescu: hey Mocky ? esthlos ? who's around ?
Mocky: i'm here, ish
mircea_popescu: hmm... actually this is premature... i should load the bundle with more than the 3.
mircea_popescu: Mocky it looks like you're going to get a click that might well guarantee #1 for the month position.
Mocky: oh hey. FAME!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I have 10 at q550 and 3 at q533
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nb. what're you tihnking to get fopr them ?
diana_coman: honestly I don't quite know what'd be a fair price for them
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you want these drudgeries btw ? since i can't lapidary...
diana_coman: uhm, I even have some drudgeries; its tinctures I don't have
mircea_popescu: i only got 1 each. but the catch is, q 5k. so prolly will spit out mega quality...
mircea_popescu: or a lotta shards.
diana_coman: ugh; most likely the last one
mircea_popescu: i guess depends lotsd on the loadout
diana_coman: yes but atm I have no idea
diana_coman: because it all hinges on the tinctures really
diana_coman: my drudgeries are at least lower q so ..
mircea_popescu: yeah...
mircea_popescu: well basically... gotta wait a little on the mcguyv l3 items
mircea_popescu: i think i have these since 2016, waiting on them. but what can i do!
diana_coman: thing is: I have no idea what I'd pay on those of yours - 1. they are only one of each so uhm, not much in a numbers game like eulora seems to be 2. they are high q so one gets high q but then likely to get shards high q
mircea_popescu: welll - i have a lapidary one too :)
diana_coman: (this is the other part I've been pondering re high q - i.e. it's all nice and fine if you have loads of it but if you have only few, it might actually make *sense* to mix it down to simply get more tries at popping)
mircea_popescu: there is that, definitely.
diana_coman: ahaha, those lapidary ones are funny to say the least
mircea_popescu: the problem with this game is that there's at least 3-4 different SETS of arguments for any question, each of which visibly incomplete and each of which with no obvious way to weigh the arguments.
diana_coman: quite
mircea_popescu: so i dunno wtf to say.
hanbot: i do indeed have 30 wood double distillate bps
mircea_popescu: o.O
diana_coman: o.O
diana_coman: now she says it, lmao
mircea_popescu: lmao. AAAAAND then there's all sorts of unexpected emergences.
diana_coman is going to click those journeyman cons ANYWAY
mircea_popescu: maybew you get a minigoat airplane.
mircea_popescu: sounds logically like something one'd cook.
hanbot: the rock dds went into altarmaking, i don't see why i oughta hold onto em. only issue is how the fux to price em
mircea_popescu: hanbot what'd you pay for them ?
hanbot: i paid 70m pre-float for them + 30 rock dds + 100 canines of leet q + 50 doubtful tome doodles, http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-auction-february-the-28th/
mircea_popescu: oh that;s what that was
mircea_popescu: right, when the altars got made.
hanbot: mhm
mircea_popescu: hanbot well, if i remember correctly you're the gal that sells the parts for half what the bundle cost rite ?
hanbot: lol hush!
mircea_popescu: what bv are they ? show me one to see what it takes even ?
hanbot: sure. lemme hump over to town, i'm en-dcs-ened
mircea_popescu: o hey! dcs! nice!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what do you pay for dcs?
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea. 150 ?
diana_coman: hm, let me see then
hanbot: yknow, yer shop says 200
diana_coman: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: you mean my 2016 shop ?!
diana_coman: for low q dcs 150% is fine :P
hanbot: hey, it sez you can rely on it being up to date
mircea_popescu: oh fuck me
mircea_popescu: diana_coman no i meant q 1500+ !!11
diana_coman: ahahah
diana_coman: cool stuff, me goes back to gin
mircea_popescu: none of this hermit crab shells you folks keep peddling! I WANT ALASKAN CRAB SHELLS
mircea_popescu: diana_coman just kidding btw, i dun care.
diana_coman: lol; large quantities I have in q 10 only I'm afraid; any use for that?
mircea_popescu: yes, im flat out.
diana_coman: oh, oh; let's fix that: 91153 dcs q10
diana_coman: I should make a flash auction on it I suppose
mircea_popescu: make a day one why not. maybe danielpbarron wants some or w/e.
diana_coman: !QCalc 91153*547*0.1*1.5
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 7479103.65
diana_coman: look at that change
diana_coman: !QAuction 7.48m 24 91153 DCS q10
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 264 STARTED by diana_coman: 91153 DCS q10 Opening: 7.48m coppers Ending: 2018-07-01 20:05:23 UTC (24 hours)
diana_coman: PSS too?
mircea_popescu: not low q tho, i got that.
mircea_popescu: 25wd, and otherwise snails thorns and wm
mircea_popescu: ty hanbot
hanbot: np
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you got high q wm ?
diana_coman: myeah, but ...how the fuck do I replenish those?
mircea_popescu: you want dd or don't you!
hanbot: anyway the wdd bps are 728k bv each.
diana_coman: funnily enough all those are ..lumber; I thought you were the lumberjack!
diana_coman: o.O
mircea_popescu: i can't mine!
lobbesbot: A#256 O=5mn HB=No bids E=06-30 21:08:25 (0h59) >>> 53 ATC q49
diana_coman: 728k!!!
lobbesbot: A#262 O=10mn HB=10mn E=07-03 16:50:21 (68h41) >>> 6 BoD q2188
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (19h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (19h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (19h19) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (19h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#263 O=200mn HB=200mn E=06-30 20:30:43 (0h22) >>> 5 JGC q10000
diana_coman: I can't yours too
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (21h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: A#264 O=7.48mn HB=No bids E=07-01 20:05:23 (23h56) >>> 91153 DCS q10
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 398.9mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc .728*30
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 21.84
hanbot: i have low count high q wm mircea_popescu, how many are needed?
mircea_popescu: 11 per so 330 total.
hanbot: i've only got 43
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't quite follow there though
mircea_popescu: in other sads, i got about 20mn bv of wdistillate. enough for 1 click, and could take some more even.
mircea_popescu: anyone got simple wood distillate bps ? and, foir that matte4r, high q gin ? :D
diana_coman: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: diana_coman what don't you follow ?
diana_coman: as far as I can see it: hanbot has the double distillate bps so dunno how do I get exactly double distillates if I sell wm to ..you?
mircea_popescu: well i was gonna buy the bps also... i mean, you wanna click them yourself ?
mircea_popescu: if so, i'm more than willing to sell what wd i have.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, re distillates I have ~100 bps q 130
mircea_popescu: nb.
diana_coman: I don't even know; but also: say I sell the wm; do I know I get the double distillates? or do I sell the wm to unique buyer you and then I get to bid against danielpbarron and hanbot to get the double distillates?
mircea_popescu: why, because they also want them ?
diana_coman: yes
mircea_popescu: hm.
hanbot isn't buying double distillates any time soon.
mircea_popescu: well i guess the right move here is to sell the wd.
diana_coman: prolly first wait on the bps
diana_coman: whoever gets the bps has a use for the wd
diana_coman: or dunno, wait until I get to click this journeyman stuff and see if more bps are around , lower q too
diana_coman: well,hm, hopefully lower q
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc (3*997489+2*349635+14*786680 + 3 * 750688)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 16957321
hanbot: <diana_coman> I can't yours too << so if i put the bps on auction nao, you're not bidding, is the idea?
diana_coman: hanbot, atm I just paid 200m on journeyman cons in the idea of getting those bps; what can I say really
mircea_popescu: !QAuction 50m 72 22 WD q1499
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 265 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 22 WD q1499 Opening: 50m coppers Ending: 2018-07-03 20:16:44 UTC (72 hours)
mircea_popescu: ^ the above q is computed average, you get the 22 items stated in the calc.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of, all the wd bps available being diana's ~q100, there's not going to be any q1k+ wd made anytime soon, so this is non-renewable resource as it stands.
hanbot: diana_coman yeah, my fault for the delay. seems silly to auction them at the moment when she who could best use the thing just bowed out tho.
diana_coman: !Qbid 265 50m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 265: 22 WD q1499 Heard: 50mn from diana_coman Ending: 2018-07-03 20:16:44 UTC (71 hours 57 mins)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, any idea what would you pay for those vapours?
mircea_popescu: well 200 in any case. ideally not much more than that.
mircea_popescu: but tbh i have nfi what pops out of jcons. what if altar bp ?
diana_coman: so 150% lvl 2 numina at q304 and 200% lvl 3 numina at q550?
diana_coman: hm
mircea_popescu: ah hm...
mircea_popescu: dude, god's truth, i have nfi.
diana_coman: me neither
hanbot: then again not selling is how this problem pie were whipped up in the first place, so
hanbot: !Qauction 250m 48 30 WDD theses q 2000
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 266 STARTED by hanbot: 30 WDD theses q 2000 Opening: 250m coppers Ending: 2018-07-02 20:22:33 UTC (48 hours)
diana_coman: hanbot, tbh from where I'm sitting it really looks more like "not doing " than not selling; but maybe I'm biased,
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 232 * 100000 * 5.5 + 3 * 88462 * 5.5 + 8 * 29170 * 5.5
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 130343103
mircea_popescu: this is potentially a 130mn bundle click.
diana_coman: ofc now it's all a fuck: you are selling the distillates so logically speaking dunno how you'd buy the bps
hanbot: diana_coman what do you mean, not doing? not doing the clicks myself?
diana_coman: hanbot, it's all a long road; no harvestables because uhm, not much exploring done, is there? and so on from there
diana_coman: I didn't buy those journeyman cons back in the day because I thought I had enough and not my thing anyway etc
diana_coman: someone else will click them etc
diana_coman: now I end up buying them at a premium and so on
mircea_popescu: it's all mocky 's fault. if he had that bot out monday i'd have mined 1bn worth by now!!
diana_coman: ahhaah, lol
mircea_popescu: let's ban him.
hanbot: that's fairly vague. is the idea that other folks aren't playing enough?
diana_coman: hanbot, I suppose I can equally put it that I'm playing too much
diana_coman: at the root of it yes: there isn't enough playing simply, all around
Mocky: mircea_popescu, hey, bot could still come out on a monday!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman what do you figure the vapors worth on cost basis ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'd say I'll let them go now for 300% ; I don't see HOW could I even start calculating cost basis when they are obtained either a. as loot b. using tinctures that aren't even yet around (and will likely come at a hefty markup if history is any indicator)
diana_coman: ftr the wheel anyway is at 500% so there is that on top
hanbot: diana_coman, i hear ya. i've been active recently but grenadine was ~dead for quite a while.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: fwiw the 3 i do have are q 990
diana_coman: and what would you consider selling them for , out of curiosity?
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 263 has ENDED: 5 JGC q10000 SOLD to diana_coman for 200mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
diana_coman: I suspect there's a rather strong bias in this sell vs buy calculating prices, you know
mircea_popescu: i guess more like 350...
mircea_popescu: me too.
diana_coman: so do you think 50% added to markup is not enough for the difference?
mircea_popescu: part of the problem is that even if i buy coupla dozen vapors from you i stil lcan't do the click
mircea_popescu: so there's a natural bias against it because of that
diana_coman: hm, I can prolly mix it for you if that's any help
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
diana_coman: you can't do the click because you don't have enough vapours?
diana_coman: or why?
mircea_popescu: well yes, ideally i'd use the whole 232 no ?
diana_coman: ah, that
mircea_popescu: i thik. or if not, why even pay a premium on q at all.
diana_coman: yes, indeed; then best wait until tinctures are out I suppose
mircea_popescu: well, im getting wpl tomorrow, have a whole chain but hopefully can auction wine by mid week
diana_coman: although honestly, I do NOT see how would they be cheaper; i.e. tinctures will probably cost an eye and a leg
mircea_popescu: but i expect they'd be very high q ?
diana_coman: no idea
mircea_popescu: at least that's part of my concern here, prolly toil product >1k ?
diana_coman: ah, that yes; but tinctures dunno
mircea_popescu: you selling those wd bps btw ?
diana_coman: I guess it makes sense to sell those at least or I'll really end up doing ~everything
diana_coman: other than *that* reason I'm not sure I see many, but it'll do
mircea_popescu: well... if you make your own wd and dwd you'll end up with some helluva cooking xp
mircea_popescu: of course... i keep forgetting, was foxy good at that or poor at that ?
diana_coman: certainly poorer than at lapidary; possibly better than at building, what can I say
diana_coman: !QCalc 10*100*6683
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 6683000
diana_coman: !QAuction 7m 48 100 WDbp q130
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 267 STARTED by diana_coman: 100 WDbp q130 Opening: 7m coppers Ending: 2018-07-02 20:39:26 UTC (48 hours)
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i got the impression you wanted to do teh cooking earlier. now i'm getting teh impression you dun wanna do the cooking.
diana_coman: I'm sure there's plenty of cooking to be done for everyone who wants it
mircea_popescu: tru.
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 16957321 / 14.99 / 22
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 51420.1012796
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it possible dwd bv = wd bv
diana_coman: I took the qabv from storage ftr
mircea_popescu: me 2
diana_coman: hm
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh. darn. it's the same thing lol, comparing wd with wd
mircea_popescu: i got confused.
diana_coman: lol!
lobbesbot: A#262 O=10mn HB=10mn E=07-03 16:50:21 (67h41) >>> 6 BoD q2188
lobbesbot: A#265 O=50mn HB=50mn E=07-03 20:16:44 (71h8) >>> 22 WD q1499
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (18h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (18h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (18h19) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (18h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (20h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: A#264 O=7.48mn HB=No bids E=07-01 20:05:23 (22h56) >>> 91153 DCS q10
lobbesbot: A#267 O=7mn HB=No bids E=07-02 20:39:26 (47h30) >>> 100 WDbp q130
lobbesbot: A#266 O=250mn HB=No bids E=07-02 20:22:33 (47h14) >>> 30 WDD theses q 2000
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 248.9mn total bids ---
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 256 has ENDED: No Sale. Attn: mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: !Qbid 264 7.5mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 264: 91153 DCS q10 Heard: 7.5mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-07-01 20:05:23 UTC (22 hours 55 mins)
mircea_popescu: !Qbid 267 7mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 267: 100 WDbp q130 Heard: 7mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-07-02 20:39:26 UTC (47 hours 29 mins)
mircea_popescu: !Qbid 266 250mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 266: 30 WDD theses q 2000 Heard: 250mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-07-02 20:22:33 UTC (47 hours 12 mins)
diana_coman: !QAuction 1m 48 14400 TPT q37
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 268 STARTED by diana_coman: 14400 TPT q37 Opening: 1m coppers Ending: 2018-07-02 21:55:41 UTC (48 hours)
diana_coman: !QAuction 30.76m 48 1001 WM q1970
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 269 STARTED by diana_coman: 1001 WM q1970 Opening: 30.76m coppers Ending: 2018-07-02 21:56:15 UTC (48 hours)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ^
diana_coman: so it can't be said there aren't high q wm, at any rate
lobbesbot: A#262 O=10mn HB=10mn E=07-03 16:50:21 (66h41) >>> 6 BoD q2188
lobbesbot: A#265 O=50mn HB=50mn E=07-03 20:16:44 (70h8) >>> 22 WD q1499
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (17h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (17h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (17h19) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (17h20) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (19h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: A#264 O=7.48mn HB=7.5mn E=07-01 20:05:23 (21h56) >>> 91153 DCS q10
lobbesbot: A#267 O=7mn HB=7mn E=07-02 20:39:26 (46h30) >>> 100 WDbp q130
lobbesbot: A#268 O=1mn HB=No bids E=07-02 21:55:41 (47h47) >>> 14400 TPT q37
lobbesbot: A#269 O=30.76mn HB=No bids E=07-02 21:56:15 (47h47) >>> 1001 WM q1970
lobbesbot: A#266 O=250mn HB=250mn E=07-02 20:22:33 (46h14) >>> 30 WDD theses q 2000
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 513.4mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: !qbid 268 1mn
mircea_popescu: !Qbid 268 1mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 268: 14400 TPT q37 Heard: 1mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-07-02 21:55:41 UTC (46 hours 21 mins)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i was doing "48 mushrooms... umm... wtf happeend here"
mircea_popescu: 200% huh.
mircea_popescu: wtf am i going to do with them if you get my wd.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-30.log.html#t22:08:40 >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-04.log.html#t21:46:38 new record, even.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-30 22:08:40: <lobbesbot> --- end of auction list, 513.4mn total bids ---
lobbesbot: A#262 O=10mn HB=10mn E=07-03 16:50:21 (64h41) >>> 6 BoD q2188
lobbesbot: A#265 O=50mn HB=50mn E=07-03 20:16:44 (68h8) >>> 22 WD q1499
lobbesbot: A#257 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:10 (15h19) >>> 92 SBe q1735
lobbesbot: A#258 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:14 (15h19) >>> 92 SLe q1735
lobbesbot: A#259 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:26 (15h19) >>> 92 SMo q1735
lobbesbot: A#260 O=46mn HB=46mn E=07-01 15:28:29 (15h19) >>> 92 SSo q1735
lobbesbot: A#261 O=4.9mn HB=4.9mn E=07-01 18:07:22 (17h58) >>> 78467 WPL q34
lobbesbot: A#264 O=7.48mn HB=7.5mn E=07-01 20:05:23 (19h56) >>> 91153 DCS q10
lobbesbot: A#267 O=7mn HB=7mn E=07-02 20:39:26 (44h30) >>> 100 WDbp q130
lobbesbot: A#268 O=1mn HB=1mn E=07-02 21:55:41 (45h47) >>> 14400 TPT q37
lobbesbot: A#269 O=30.76mn HB=No bids E=07-02 21:56:15 (45h47) >>> 1001 WM q1970
lobbesbot: A#266 O=250mn HB=250mn E=07-02 20:22:33 (44h14) >>> 30 WDD theses q 2000
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 514.4mn total bids ---

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