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2018-6-13 | 2018-6-15

lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (74h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (10h55) >>> 1003 SG q843
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (17h12) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (36h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (37h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: interestingly, my product and the numina are now... diff qualities!
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (72h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (8h55) >>> 1003 SG q843
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (15h12) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (34h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (35h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: sooo, 300 clicks on a ~650k bundle, ie about 200mn run. 230mn bv return, 38% conversion rate.
mircea_popescu: coulda been worse, i guess o.I
mircea_popescu: but basically, the large pop acounts for half the run.
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (71h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (7h55) >>> 1003 SG q843
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (14h12) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (33h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (34h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids ---
diana_coman: o.O 121m, congrats mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ty!
diana_coman: one way of looking at it is therefore that the CSW run was...too short/ too little value at a paltry 40mn
diana_coman: lolz
mircea_popescu: who even knows
mircea_popescu: if it helps anything the pop was like, 3rd click in or so
diana_coman: ahahah, lol
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (70h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (6h55) >>> 1003 SG q843
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (13h12) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (32h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (33h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids ---
hanbot: !Qauction 60mn 72 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 212 STARTED by hanbot: 130 q450 IST Opening: 60mn coppers Ending: 2018-06-17 07:34:59 UTC (72 hours)
hanbot: <diana_coman> hanbot, danielpbarron what tokens do you sell and for how much? << ^^ :D
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (69h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (5h55) >>> 1003 SG q843
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (12h12) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=No bids E=06-17 07:34:59 (71h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (31h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (32h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 242.36mn total bids ---
diana_coman: !Qbid 212 60m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 212: 130 q450 IST Heard: 60mn from diana_coman Ending: 2018-06-17 07:34:59 UTC (70 hours 56 mins)
diana_coman: not as if there really is any choice
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (68h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (4h55) >>> 1003 SG q843
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (11h11) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (70h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (30h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (31h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 302.36mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: yo Mocky
mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman you got a pile of used cs ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I have but no idea what they are worth even
diana_coman: atm I set up fox to make a pile of srs, kind of curious how it goes overall from some 30k of boulders and such
diana_coman: she gets q200 when she gets any srs
mircea_popescu: nb.
diana_coman: ftr mining seems at least to clear up a bit: noobs get ~only basics and usually same thing at a fixed spot; at same spot, foxy gets at least 4 resources and usually she gets the same basic only rarely
mircea_popescu: interesting.
mircea_popescu: i did manage wpl at the tuber spot.
diana_coman: re q and bv, noobs get ~90% what they put in with foxy's bundles & tool; q is capped though based on claim type and/or tool used (i.e. even foxy will not get higher q)
mircea_popescu: so like, same claim will have a q, irrespective of who digs it up ?
diana_coman: intermediate miners get interesting i.e. they get high q like fox on basics so 200 on boulders but % goes down bv
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, not quite, no
diana_coman: that holds only above a certain qabv of bundle put in
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: even moar interesting
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (64h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#208 O=6.2mn HB=6.2mn E=06-14 14:08:28 (0h55) >>> 1003 SG q843
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (7h11) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (66h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (26h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (27h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 302.36mn total bids ---
diana_coman: i.e. if you put shit in, you'll get shit out,but you can't just force it upwards through bundle alone above some value
diana_coman: anyways, q20-q30 is relatively easy to get in large quantities (it should be easy when some bot is available, atm that's the problem really)
diana_coman: but at the same time it's unclear that one really gets what they put in and even then logically speaking it's still suicide to sell it below the cft price
diana_coman: sure, some pops hopefully rebalance
diana_coman: and then you can say that it would work
diana_coman: and the thing with q being capped is that then it ...doesn't quite help higher q cft for this job
diana_coman: (it DOES help, but for higher bv items)
Mocky: mircea_popescu, good morning
mircea_popescu: maybe it also matters who ~finds~ it
diana_coman: hm, so far 360 clicks on sr -> 245 sr q200
mircea_popescu: Mocky, how's the bot ? do i get to go mining ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, maybe; but the trends are still the same everything else equal; i.e. fox will always get higher q on cs-claim than on tool-claim regardless who gets them
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i did like 50k sr's worth of srs clicking last week sometime, got it q265. if you actually need some i can sell.
diana_coman: effect of tool atm seems stronger than that of person, not that it means that one can't also be present
Mocky: i'm testing a candidate now. I'll let you know shortly
mircea_popescu: im really itching to test some of these theories nao
diana_coman: I'll ping if I end up needing some; I'm merely trying to figure out what to do with resources really, whether to craft or to sell
mircea_popescu: aha.
diana_coman: adding to the trouble ofc is the fact that one of the medium crafters would probably even do better than fox with *her* bundles
mircea_popescu: you mean miners ?
diana_coman: but a. it's a pain to make the bundles and then pass on because they are heavy b. it's unclear re xp and /or pops
diana_coman: nope, crafting; fox makes srs bundle; intermediate crafter gets q99 but reliably at least 3 per click
mircea_popescu: so do the antique electron bundles count as low q at 2kish ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, crafter in what ? tinkerer ?
diana_coman: fox gets mainly numina, except now and again when she gets whatever
diana_coman: tinkerer, yes
mircea_popescu: wait numina from mining ?!
diana_coman: ugh, all this last part is on crafting
mircea_popescu: oh oh
diana_coman: actually talking of it: hanbot danielpbarron any market for myst. rocks and murky somethings low q?
mircea_popescu: ie you want ot buy them ?
diana_coman: no, asking them if they want such things
diana_coman: I guess I worded that weirdly
mircea_popescu: a a
mircea_popescu: i trhink they go in some sacrifices
mircea_popescu: tho i dun recall if i ever saw the sup.
diana_coman: yes, but dunno if they want low q and it's mainly like that they come out of mining in any useful quantities
mircea_popescu: typical.
diana_coman: in some way; it's still not same as boulders low q, lol
mircea_popescu: it's so cute how the bag diamond is now the mark of the active crafter.
diana_coman: bag diamond?
diana_coman: ah, ah, the fact the bot keeps dropping /picking up the ingr
mircea_popescu: and holy shit what a month, 120mn pop and i'm barely #3.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> so do the antique electron bundles count as low q at 2kish ? <- for remark, myeah
mircea_popescu: and how fucking expensive they were...
mircea_popescu: 40, 50mn one.
diana_coman: for ords it might be all right for basics, not sure (I think I had finished the one for basics ages ago)
diana_coman: well, what can I tell you, I still have a big collection of them + some sizables even, not that I ever got a sizable, lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, i have a bunch of sizables. >300mn each.
mircea_popescu: but i mean... ords yes ? 3-400k each ? can't fucking possibly be small, this, can it ?
mircea_popescu: how much value do you usually pack into an ord bundle ?
diana_coman: it is not small, no; but remember re q
diana_coman: remember those 10mn eps?
mircea_popescu: well... q2500.
mircea_popescu: no ?
diana_coman: or how many they were, all q 3 or whatevs
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: well... so you figure if danielpbarron had an even bigger bundle he'd have gotten higher q grass ?
mircea_popescu: wait, i thought you just said bundle doesn't matter ?
mircea_popescu: for q. or was it builder doens't matter ?
diana_coman: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-06.log.html#t20:55:35
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-06 20:55:35: <diana_coman> with bundle q2000 no less
mircea_popescu: nuts.
diana_coman: ugh, would you read?
diana_coman: I said it does not matter ABOVE some stuff
mircea_popescu: what! i'm reading, i'm reading.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but that was q1.
diana_coman: i.e. you can't push quality up beyond some point by bundle q alone
diana_coman: yes and that was a remark
diana_coman: not a small, not a tiny, no idea where the bounds are for that one
diana_coman: not even an ord, lol
mircea_popescu: well, so are you saying he couldn't have pushed it past q1 ? or are you saying he'd have had better q with somehow even larger bundle ?
diana_coman: the latter
diana_coman: see the experience with sg ord
mircea_popescu: how to make larger bundles is of course an open exercise.
diana_coman: I got q800 iirc from sg ord with q8000 own-made bundle
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: of course... maybe that claim would have given i dunno, q700 with a q2000 bundle
diana_coman: but I won't get anywhere near that with electron's bundles
diana_coman: doubt it
diana_coman: maybe not q50 , sure, but not that close, no
mircea_popescu: of course... my siz bundles are onl;y actually q 1500
diana_coman: yeah, I suspect they are essentially shit
diana_coman: well, as danielpbarron got all q1 even on grass iirc
mircea_popescu: hm
diana_coman: then again, better this shit than no shit; possibly
mircea_popescu: yeah he got like half a billion blades.
diana_coman: iirc I even predicted he'll likely get q1, yes; precisely because all the above
mircea_popescu: well... if it were tlc or wm or something, a half bn q1 would have been the shizzle.
mircea_popescu: but as it is i dunno there's enough bps in all eulora to even burn it all.
diana_coman: until it's not, but sure
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how it'd burn into mostly low q tink numina, which doesn't seem to be in demand so much.
diana_coman: logically speaking it would get mixed up
mircea_popescu: lol. but to get half bn grass q1 to even something like q 100 you'd need...
diana_coman: well yes
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 1.99 * 60 * 500
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 59700
diana_coman: dunno, used as filler; in leaky shoes :P
mircea_popescu: ^ 60 BILLION bv grass.
diana_coman: eh, a couple of herds of microgoats I supposed
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: tho im finding low q bps an invaluable cutting feed.
mircea_popescu: maybe same will be true of grass.
diana_coman: aha
mircea_popescu: in the following sense : if the difference between clicking qx and clicking qx-1 is known to the crafter to be something relevant, like say 1% less returns (or conversion rate, or something)
mircea_popescu: then the value of that -1 in x-1 can very well exceed the cost of the qty of q1 stuff that's required to produce it, by 2, 3 degrees of magnitude.
diana_coman: anyways, to put some numbers re mining speed: ~20k boulders took a few hours only and that because of lacking bot; sort of matching crafting I suppose, if only it weren't that ~everyone is crafting
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, note also that in principle highly skilled crafter can simply pack more per bundle and sell it to lower skilled crafter who might get this way a cheaper high q bundle than bundling himself high q stuff
diana_coman: but all those seem to be too much trouble atm or something, not used in any case
mircea_popescu: point in case : if woa bp q 30 gives 38% conversion and woa bp q 29 gives 36% conversion, considering the bundle is like 600k this means 12k worth of extra woa per click. the worth of 12k woa being like 30k ecu, that q point shaved makes one 30k.
mircea_popescu: the material cost to shave 1 q point is about 1/30 of a q1 bp, and so each q1 bp is worth, by this calculation, 1mn ON TOP of whatever a bp of q30 is worth.
diana_coman: aha, that's the iffy part with selling q1 bps
mircea_popescu: now, the 1mn premium per blade may well not stand up for grass ever. however... it doesn't take MUCH premium in eq value to push the % price of a qabv 0.6 ECu up a lot.
mircea_popescu: ie, 50 ECu is already 10000%
diana_coman: nominally even at market rate they are worth shit; in reality they are way more useful than that
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, amusingly, my q 16 cons bps sold for ~same as your q70 common bps.
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing a lot of math still has to be done.
mircea_popescu: but those may be some of the best spent 3mn in the history of the game.
diana_coman: that is about the only certain thing in there, yes
diana_coman looked at q1 acg bps to sell and then ran into this trouble there: not worth at market price, not clear how much otherwise, won't sell
mircea_popescu: on the other side, i only got high q acg bps, won't click. wut do ?
diana_coman: you know I sold acg bps lower q and daniel got them or something
mircea_popescu: did you ?
mircea_popescu: i thought you sold me 900 gins
diana_coman: that too, lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, i only figured out the above last night, on the woa run
diana_coman: anyways, if I get those tokens, hopefully I'll make more cons bundles, click, get more bps etc
diana_coman: and sell them, as I won't be able to make all of them anyway
mircea_popescu: how many tomes you got ?
diana_coman: myeah, there is that part where each one has to piss on the fence by themselves or otherwise it seems it's too expensive to be for real or something :P
mircea_popescu: ikr.
mircea_popescu: this is ~why i wanna go mining.
diana_coman keeps warmly inviting and encouraging mircea_popescu to get off his ass and go mining already
mircea_popescu: well, mocky is preparing a candidate. i hope she has big tits.
diana_coman: re tomes I'll be making more anyway as I'd rather try to get them higher q
mircea_popescu: ah. i'm all out.
Mocky: no, itty bitty
diana_coman: tit-mining might work better
mircea_popescu: Mocky what !? WHY!
Mocky: still growing, maybe they get big, who knows
mircea_popescu: preteen mining bots wtf is this scandal.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, maybe smaller is better for all that digging, running... :D
mircea_popescu: i burned myself once with simona halep's girlmeats, but... i learned nothing from the experience.
mircea_popescu: BIGGER IS BETTER WOOOAAAAHhhh
diana_coman: lol; they'll grow, the man said
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 208 has ENDED: 1003 SG q843 SOLD to mircea_popescu for 6.2mn coppers. Attn: diana_coman
diana_coman: 700 srs clicks in and I got 546srs + ~22k tpf all q200; at least the tpf will go into lapidary I guess
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (63h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (6h11) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (65h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (25h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (26h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, so how about 2x bv + 1k for your worn cs ?
diana_coman: guess it sounds all right; I'll rummage for them once this srs run is done, ok? the rest of the auctions should finish too by then I guess
diana_coman: or at least the cr one, huh
mircea_popescu: kk
mircea_popescu: what rest ? the sg just sold, above.
diana_coman: funny stuff with that cr: I had entirely forgotten and mixed it all up for the csw run; so I went and got more + mix to that specific q ; it took the boys about 2 hours
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the cr
mircea_popescu: 6h ?!
mircea_popescu: ah come on, take a break what.
diana_coman: lmao
diana_coman: didn't know you wanted them NOW
diana_coman: ook
mircea_popescu: plox.
diana_coman: !Qcalc 2*545*269+2*1098*270+1000*(545+1098)
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 2529130
diana_coman: o.O
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, trade
mircea_popescu: that right ? cs + sg
diana_coman: ugh, I can't take the sg right now out, it'll take ages
diana_coman: uhm, lemme see
mircea_popescu: i won it!1111
mircea_popescu: yay
mircea_popescu: tyvm
diana_coman: thanks!
diana_coman: who even knew I had ~2.5mn ECu in worn-out cs,lolz
mircea_popescu: ikr.
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (62h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (5h11) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (64h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (24h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (25h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids ---
diana_coman: o.O gst eh? congrats
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun!
Mocky: mircea_popescu, http://mocky.org/files/eulora-v0.1.2-foxybot-mocky4.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: aite, doing these clicks an' hitting it.
Mocky: sha512 e13fcc046883365afc11cb3b2932258c008ef938cdd51f2a67b3f0ad9166cf31b2363e41b7258eddb6466839156d2020f637a0bceab713d84c9288c42dd8b66f
Mocky crosses fingers that mysteriously unfindable craft table gets found
Mocky: if it is still unable to find the table, it will dump what it sees as full inventory contents to bot window, so may include better clues
mircea_popescu: alrighty, jamming.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, so, materials should be in inv yes ?
mircea_popescu: Mocky, craft table not found o.O
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, got 1 tiny nt produced q51, got 1 tiny boulder produced q 100 o.O
mircea_popescu: 52 tubers q51 and 106 boulders q101.
Mocky: mircea_popescu, did it spew inventory listing?
mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: Mocky, where do i look for it ?
Mocky: it should say, at top of foxy bot window "craft-table Not found. Looking closer." followed by a line with slot# and contents for each thing in inv, followed by "craft-table Not found again. Table will not be used."
Mocky: may need to scroll it up
mircea_popescu: says not such thing.
mircea_popescu: says NOT found for one thing, all caps like that
mircea_popescu: says "NOT found" for one thing, all caps like that.
mircea_popescu: and there's no "looking closer".
Mocky: sounds like my new code's not running. I changed those messages.
mircea_popescu: but, it says it twice
mircea_popescu: which is new.
Mocky: im at a loss
mircea_popescu: > OutputMsg(csString("Craft-Table NOT found. Resources WILL be mixed."));
mircea_popescu: no looky, that'sa what you put in ther.e
mircea_popescu: did you give me the wrong files ?
Mocky: lemme check
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (61h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (4h11) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (63h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (23h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (24h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids ---
Mocky: the botactivity.cpp I linked to does not contain the word 'mixed'
mircea_popescu: confirmed
mircea_popescu: wtf...
mircea_popescu: re-jamming, this is bizarre enough
mircea_popescu: ...found 1833 target(s)...
mircea_popescu: ...updating 323 target(s)...
mircea_popescu: so it ~should~ actually.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, here's the problem :
mircea_popescu: In file included from src/client/foxybot/botactivity.h:15,
mircea_popescu: from src/client/foxybot/foxybot.h:19,
mircea_popescu: from src/client/cmdusers.cpp:64:
mircea_popescu: src/client/foxybot/worldhandler.h: At global scope:
mircea_popescu: src/client/foxybot/worldhandler.h:79: error: extra qualification ‘worldHandler::’ on member ‘RemoveObject’
mircea_popescu: g++ -c -o ./out/linuxx86/optimize/src/client/cmdusers.o -I. -I./include -I./src/client -I./src/server -I./src/common -I./src/tools/wordnet -I./src/tools/breakpad -I./src/tools/breakpad/third_party/linux/include -I. -I./include -pipe -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -march=i686 -mtune=generic -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -g2 -O3 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -Wdisabled-optimization -I/home/mircea
mircea_popescu: /dev/cs/include -I/home/mircea/dev/cal3d/include src/client/cmdusers.cpp
mircea_popescu: ...failed C++ ./out/linuxx86/optimize/src/client/cmdusers.o ...
mircea_popescu: ...skipped euclient for lack of <src!client!>cmdusers.o...
mircea_popescu: ...failed updating 1 target(s)...
mircea_popescu: ...skipped 1 target(s)...
mircea_popescu: it skips the actual binary, which is why old code.
Mocky: initially i was expecting problems like this
Mocky looks at these
mircea_popescu: static void worldHandler::RemoveObject(EID eid); <<
Mocky: 'void' qualifier not needed i'm guessing
Mocky: oh 'worldHandler::' not needed
mircea_popescu: aha
Mocky: strange visual c++ dun care about that, i gotta get off this
mircea_popescu: ...skipped libfoxybot-0.0.a for lack of libfoxybot-0.0.a(botstorage.o)...
mircea_popescu: ...skipped euclient for lack of foxybot...
mircea_popescu: this is pretty well broken o.O
mircea_popescu: src/client/foxybot/botstorage.cpp: In member function ‘bool botStorage::RetrieveNext(csString, int64_t, int64_t)’:
mircea_popescu: src/client/foxybot/botstorage.cpp:123: error: ‘SendWithdrawRequest’ is not a member of ‘worldHandler’
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing the issue now is that i have fragments of two bots mixed otgether.
Mocky: looks like
mircea_popescu: anyway ; i'll get back to this later, kinda overrun its window.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, basics, yeah; fox gets q200 out of basics more often than not
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (60h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (3h11) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (62h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (22h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (23h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids ---
hanbot: <diana_coman> actually talking of it: hanbot danielpbarron any market for myst. rocks and murky somethings low q? << notrly.
diana_coman: k, good to know, at any rate
mircea_popescu: Mocky, i reconstructed your bot ; complied it correctly ; if finds the table now, and mines.
mircea_popescu: it gets confused as to which table to use if it has multiple, though, you realise.
mircea_popescu: beautifully came back for table when it was too far.
diana_coman: if it relies on /drop only, that one is original idiotic client: it will drop *one* table but god knows which one (it's not the first, nor the last nor...; iirc we even wasted some time on this before, should be in the logs)
diana_coman: coming back for the table is brilliant really
mircea_popescu: wowza diana_coman ! i use diff lbn counts for wpl and basics!
mircea_popescu: i thought his bot is broken at first, but no
diana_coman: in the fox vs cor mini-test: fox got 1.3mn out of 2.2mn over 1102 clicks
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, uhm, how is that news?
diana_coman: lol
diana_coman: prolly for each branch
diana_coman: (foxy does at least)
mircea_popescu: news to me lmao
diana_coman: i.e. some number for basics (and prolly WAAAY higher) , some for mining, some for lj etc
diana_coman: backtrack: cor got 288k out of 352k over 178 clicks
diana_coman: 60% vs 81%
diana_coman: and he got already 577 srs q97 while she got in *total* 751 srs q200
mircea_popescu: 5 lbn for wpl and 11 for pss and 24 for f
diana_coman: by the time he does 1102 clicks he'll have a few thousand srs no problem
mircea_popescu: Mocky, there's a bug whereby gets stuck in run mode.
diana_coman: same bundles q430, same bps q55
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, is 5 lbn max there?
mircea_popescu: for wpl ?
diana_coman: yes, for wpl
mircea_popescu: yes.
diana_coman: fox can use 7-11 for groceries (wpl incl), 8-12 for mining
diana_coman: what q wpl did you get with those 5?
mircea_popescu: Mocky, another bug is that sometimes i get tailings (two quals off the same stick) and it loses those in inv.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, 29
diana_coman: o.O
mircea_popescu: what ?
diana_coman: actually hrm, iirc it's ~34q more usually so makes sense
diana_coman: lol, 43
mircea_popescu: Mocky, aaand it died -- too far from the table, got too much wpl, is stuck.
diana_coman: the ways in which eulora will get a poor bot stuck
mircea_popescu: it did 17 attempts ; during these it set to running and i had to rescue it manually 3 times ; it failed to dig up (because it was out of range) 3 tiny claims too.
diana_coman: sounds weirdly like a ..dog! :))
mircea_popescu: and it produced two different stacks lost in inv through the procedure of "they weren't all same q so they didn't stack whern took from claim"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, lol!
mircea_popescu: i also got some 227 228 wpl too
diana_coman: nice; from tiny?
diana_coman: or from small?
diana_coman: and uhm, some as in 200 of them or some as in ...10
mircea_popescu: 2
mircea_popescu: from small i think
mircea_popescu: 479 F too
mircea_popescu: nice, flotsam mini. 1k q50
diana_coman: sounds familiar
diana_coman: might be that you get more small claims I suppose
mircea_popescu: aaand it's dead on move 13 -- overweight, doesn't know what to do with the nt
mircea_popescu: got some 60 tubers, the stacks in table are 70 and 113.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, this is some primo bizrre shit, i can't interact with table which is ~right here~
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, might be the object clash thing
diana_coman: or one on top of the other
diana_coman: i.e. you click and client sends the id of a ghost table
diana_coman: instead of the right one
diana_coman: it does happen, it drives me crazy when mining
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, it let me pick it up!
mircea_popescu: there's no ghost table here tho
diana_coman: so then I don't get it, how can't you interact if you CAN pick it up?
danielpbarron: i would buy skill items but don't auction them now; i'll be gone for a week
mircea_popescu: i dunno!
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't let me put items in it, even after re-targetting it. but it let me pick it up.
diana_coman: danielpbarron, k
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (57h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#209 O=856k HB=860k E=06-14 20:25:02 (0h11) >>> 13212 CR q74
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (59h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (19h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (20h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 296.16mn total bids ---
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I even got wpl q 608 from small, yeah; but...1!
mircea_popescu: Mocky, dead again, this time while trying to build a tiny with no error message.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the problem is that a key it had in inv from prev failure turned to lbn, and the 1 lbn prevents it from seeing the 14k stack
mircea_popescu: aaand it didn't recover when i manually built for him.
diana_coman: that sounds very likely
mircea_popescu: this time ended up with 35 pss lost in inv because table was too far when it tried to put it in, then it stepped back to recover it but forgot about the pss
mircea_popescu: aanyway, i'm calling this off for now, moar work needs to be done. lemme know if you need specific somethings.
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 209 has ENDED: 13212 CR q74 SOLD to mircea_popescu for 860k coppers. Attn: diana_coman
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ready to collect the cr?
Mocky: oh hey, mircea_popescu, bot finds table. let me look thru these problems
Mocky: mircea_popescu, re: gets confused about which table - yeah it's still doing /drop, i haven't changed that part yet. added to list
Mocky: re: stuck in run mode, you mean it did the full number you specifed and kept going?
Mocky: re: second (nth) qual off same stick ignored, i've got update in the works re 'stage one' quality handling
Mocky: re: "too far from the table, got too much wpl, is stuck." curious how this happened, should drop table and then mine without moving
Mocky: re: using wrong lbn, current algo is search inv top to bottom each time. should it be instead prefer items that were present at startup?
Mocky: anyhow, thanks for the testing and all the feedback!
diana_coman: Mocky, re lbn it should search all inv and pick from whatever stack it has enough
diana_coman: rather than find first and get stuck if that's not enough
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (56h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (58h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (18h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (19h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 295.3mn total bids ---
Mocky: oh, I see it now. was thinking merely low quality issue, but quantity as well
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (55h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (57h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (17h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (18h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 295.3mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i am.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, stuck in run mode i mean it started to move for next claim and never stopped, but explored while moving. if i wasn't there it'd have gone over cliff
mircea_popescu: "prefer items that were present at start-up" is not even a bad strat.
mircea_popescu: but diana_coman has a good point, useful mostly in crafting : if stack it has ain't enough, add rest from another stack
mircea_popescu enjoys his day of 100% top domination.
lobbesbot: A#207 O=70mn HB=70mn E=06-17 06:07:53 (54h54) >>> 99 WOA q2310
lobbesbot: A#212 O=60mn HB=60mn E=06-17 07:34:59 (56h21) >>> 130 q450 IST
lobbesbot: A#210 O=80.3mn HB=80.3mn E=06-15 16:11:31 (16h58) >>> 7000 GSTbp q70
lobbesbot: A#211 O=85mn HB=85mn E=06-15 16:15:14 (17h2) >>> 9000 CSWbp q70
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 295.3mn total bids ---

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