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2018-4-30 | 2018-6-1

Mocky: I just logged out of the game and right back in, and instead of being kyla glovedangle, I present as grenadine sippycup when i click on myself and also in my window title
Mocky: but i have all my own items and coins
Mocky: also apparenly i can't stand still, lol
Mocky: repeated relogs didn't help until i logged off far from town, i'm all set now
Mocky: I guess that was my first out of body experience and my first bout of restless leg syndrome
mircea_popescu: Mocky, kinda known client bug ; the client's being rewritten basiucally, but meanwhile relogin should fix
danielpbarron: yeah, it happens
danielpbarron: did you have some wooly mushrooms? j/k
lobbes: ^^ paging shinohai. dpb spotted!
mircea_popescu: lel. remember kids --- shave the mush room first.
shinohai: Sorry, I was engaged in unlawful carnal knowledge at that hour ..... but available all day today!
diana_coman: kind reminder: server coming down for the usual maintenance & update in ~ 1 hour
diana_coman: server is back up; enjoy!
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
Mocky: I've fallen down a... well? and can't get out. I'm at 76.8 0 -37.89
lobbesbot: Post from dianacoman: EuCrypt Chapter 13: SMG RNG <http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/>
diana_coman: awww Mocky , did you fall off the edge of the world?
diana_coman: or is it the central crater?
Mocky: central crater
diana_coman: k, log out and I'll pick you out this time; there's nothing useful in that crater really
Mocky: ok, I logged out
diana_coman: Mocky, try it now
Mocky: I'm good now, thank you
diana_coman: yw
diana_coman: what do you do Mocky , other than playing Eulora?
Mocky: I spend the week days slaving for my java overlords and on Friday when they hand me my well earned half crust of bread, it take it and head to the mountains for a hike
Mocky: how about you?
diana_coman: mountain hiking sounds very nice indeed
diana_coman: for the past 2 years I've been mainly Eulora-programming; it's in http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/30/my-first-2-years-as-cto-for-minigame/
Mocky: I have 55k rr to sell you with quality 1
Mocky: !Qcalc 55000*67*.01*1.3
lobbesbot: Mocky: 47905
diana_coman: mind doing it in a few hours? I'll be away from the keyboard for a while
Mocky: no problem, just let me know
diana_coman: sure
mircea_popescu: 55k is not even half bad.
mircea_popescu: did you get foxybot to work Mocky ?
Mocky: I did but I had to fix a number of things like a faulty parse of the "exploration marker" message and unable to find table & lbn in inventory. Also sometimes it seemed to try to build the wrong claim, so I improved that and taught it to autoloot lbn from the ground
mircea_popescu: do you have a blog ?
Mocky: I do not. I started one 10 years ago and after one post looked back on it and realized I had nothing to say
mircea_popescu: you have plenty to say ; if you don't publish the above what do i link to in the future ?
Mocky: That's a good point
mircea_popescu: tell you what, i'll buy you shared hosting on pizarro's server for the rest of the year, you get a blog up there and publish the foregoing. how about that ?
Mocky: I'll take you up on that offer. Now that I'm thinking about it again, I dare say I could come up with quite a few things to post about
mircea_popescu: worst comes to worst, do what i do
mircea_popescu: tits.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, join #trilema, also.
mircea_popescu: you know what that is, even ?
Mocky: I've been reading #trilema logs the last week and trilema.com also.
diana_coman: oh hey, that work on the bot sounds very useful, Mocky
diana_coman: by the sounds of it I'd read your blog
diana_coman: at any rate, trade with Foxy whenever convenient, Mocky
Mocky: Ok, i'm trying to trade you now. this is my first time trading this much weight so bear with me
diana_coman: Mocky, no worries, just ping me when you're done
diana_coman: with ctrl-click iirc you can grab the whole pile - first to inv, then to trade
diana_coman: should work
diana_coman: hm, I think
Mocky: ok it's in there, had it on a table
diana_coman: Mocky, do you have change from that?
diana_coman: 2k is fine
Mocky: all i hve is 1755
diana_coman: that works
diana_coman: there we go, thank you
diana_coman: and I'll still buy more rr
Mocky: thanks
diana_coman: apparently I can use a ton of it anyway
Mocky: so what will those reeds be made into?
diana_coman: pocc
diana_coman: that'll make ampoules
diana_coman: foxy's quite good with that line so it works very well for her at any rate but they are also quite useful forward in the chain
diana_coman: Mocky, have you figured out how quality works at all?
Mocky: you mentioned before about books and tools, and maybe you could sell me some, or how does that work
diana_coman: Mocky, sure; books give you skills
diana_coman: as you use the skill, you gain experience
Mocky: i read aobut overcrafting and undercrafting and I felt i grasped it at the time but, i think i'll need to start doing it to fully comprehend
diana_coman: aha; I think you can see a bit of that at work if you build a claim for me for instance
diana_coman: lemme see what I can do for you
diana_coman: uhm, first I gotta put those reeds in storage, lol
Mocky: so where do the books come from, crafted also?
diana_coman: yes, crafted by players too
diana_coman: even...written by players :D
diana_coman: did you find my "cookbook" ?
diana_coman: http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/index.html <- this contains the items foxy has seen /heard of in game so far
Mocky: yes i have it open actually
diana_coman: aha :) the "scribblings" are the skill books
diana_coman: such as this one: http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/Foxys-Dismal-Scribblings-on-Gathering.html
Mocky: ahh, i saw those when looking for books earlier today but didn't make the connection
Mocky: this game is different to what I expected, in a good way. I was afraid the 'bitcoin economy' was going to be a gambling thing or a bullshit communist 'share the wealth' thing like I've seen in other games
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: i'm here to none of that crap.
diana_coman: funnily enough the "share the wealth" crowd always shares someone else's wealth
mircea_popescu: doh.
diana_coman: no, no, they do share their "wealth" too; it just has those...""
Mocky: I saw one free to play game where everyone logged in gets a % share of optional items purchased. jesus, if i wanted a welfare state of poor beggars funded by 1%'ers I can just walk out my front door
diana_coman: heh, where in the world is your front door Mocky ?
diana_coman: at any rate, follow Fox behind the house and trade so I give you a tool
diana_coman: we'll dig a bit of cr
Mocky: currently Raleigh North Carolina but maybe I get an upgrade soon, lol
diana_coman: Mocky, dig a claim up
Mocky: ok, cr claim
diana_coman: Mocky, right, pass me on the enum so I make a bundle for you
diana_coman: Mocky, there, have a look at that bundle's q
diana_coman: if curious, go and check what its value is
diana_coman: (at storage it will show it)
diana_coman: and then go ahead and build this claim with this bundle; get another claim and build it with a lower q bundle of your own; spot the difference :D
diana_coman: btw lock the claim if you go away from it for a bit or it might vanish
diana_coman: ahem, lol
Mocky: ok
Mocky: so the number in storage right next tothe icon is price then? i didn't realize that
diana_coman: I'll want the cr from this claim; otherwise you can keep that tool (and don't throw it away when spent as it's still used as input for some crafts)
diana_coman: it's base value
diana_coman: quality adjusted base value in fact
Mocky: ok
diana_coman: so it is the minimal price if you want - since S.MG (via Spirover, the NPC trader) will always pay that if you sell stuff to it directly
Mocky: gotcha
Mocky: i notice that building this claim takes substantially longer than what I've seen so far
diana_coman: aha; did you figure out why?
Mocky: well i haven't tried a lower quality bundle yet, but my guess is that it's proportional to the quality adjusted base value it is likely to yield
diana_coman: like any hypothesis, all it needs is a good testing
Mocky: indeed
mircea_popescu: Mocky, anyway, luck does play a factor ; if you type /show top and look at all time, that's pretty much it.
diana_coman: Foxy can attest that bad luck plays an even more painful factor :p
Mocky: oh! that's what the tops of pops thing is, i saw the src file and had nfi what it was for
mircea_popescu: basically you can, in principle, experience VERY high returns.
mircea_popescu: there's a case when noob player hit the ground with a cheap axe and got i dun even recall, 5mn worth of thorns or grass or what was it.
mircea_popescu: three years ago or such, but anyways.
Mocky: i'm assuming you can't be equally un-lucky
mircea_popescu: well... how lol. you know what you're risking going in.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is ultimately why items sell for a % -- some are harder to get than others.
shinohai: danielpbarron: you around this afternoon?
lobbes: oh hey, you're only a few hours from me >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-05-03.log.html#t19:47:19
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-05-03 19:47:19: <Mocky> currently Raleigh North Carolina but maybe I get an upgrade soon, lol
Mocky: !Qcalc 17016*73
lobbesbot: Mocky: 1242168
Mocky: I was expecting the quality of this tool to decrease, but I see it doesn't necessarily decrease each time
diana_coman: Mocky, o.O?
diana_coman: is the tool same q as when I gave it to you?
Mocky: yes
diana_coman: that is...weird; can you trade me the tool so I see this wonder please?
diana_coman: heh, no it's not
diana_coman: look in your chat log Mocky
Mocky: oh hmm. you are right
diana_coman: btw I'd recommend you make sure you have turned on full logging in game as that thing is quite useful
Mocky: oh, i will
Mocky: diana_coman: thank you for your time, and the lesson and that tool
diana_coman: !Qcalc 17016*0.01*73
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 12421.68
diana_coman: Mocky, you're welcome!
diana_coman: !Qcalc 68*180
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 12240
diana_coman: !Qcalc 68*180 + (1400-1213)
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 12427
diana_coman: look at that: he got 12421 qabv of CR from 12427 input cft+tool
Mocky: but wasn't the quality of the cr 1.0 not .01?
Mocky: oh, nm, lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, that\'s 99.95% !
danielpbarron: shinohai, sorry, i'll be available soon.
diana_coman: xenmen, Birdman get yourselves a bouncer/proper connection or at any rate stop the join/quit spam
lobbes: lol, 143 quits recorded O.o >> http://logs.minigame.biz/search/?q=Quits%3A+xenmen
lobbes: since February this year, at least
mircea_popescu: pretty annoying,\
xenmen: sorry, I've been putting that off for too long
xenmen: will take care of this weekend
mircea_popescu: works
lobbesbot: Post from eulora: MiniGame (S.MG), April 2018 Statement <http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-april-2018-statement/>
danielpbarron: shinohai, you around?
lobbesbot: danielpbarron: Sent 3 days, 3 hours, and 33 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/48EF022DF9242B52C3F2970BB62613855B089C60B99E8FCE5004CCF30D48D699 << any idea what this is ?
danielpbarron: got my char logged in at the moment
shinohai: o hai danielpbarron ... gimmie just a sec, was building an image.
danielpbarron: just noticed the invoice you sent me had 9 decimal places
danielpbarron: 0.016496929
danielpbarron: what's that? 16.496929 mn ecu?
shinohai: really?
danielpbarron: curious how deedbot delt with that
danielpbarron: seems like we're good though
shinohai: kk thanks ... and thus ends my Eulora bidness.
shinohai: Since I cannot sell my s.mg shares, I guess mp can keep or they can revert back to company, whatever.
shinohai: Anywho, it's been real!
danielpbarron waves
shinohai: Thanks again danielpbarron
GUNNARSON_: Hey
GUNNARSON_: registered with deedbot for an account
mircea_popescu: GUNNARSON_, hey. one minute.
GUNNARSON_: don't sweat it , haven't even got the client going yet
GUNNARSON_: running commands in console like a medieval alchemist trying to turn lead into gold
mircea_popescu: are you following the wiki ?
GUNNARSON_: yes, but I am running a different distro so following the guide to a T isn't possible
GUNNARSON_: Using Manjaro, following the ubuntu guide
mircea_popescu: well, might be a good idea to keep notes, add to the wiki when done.
mircea_popescu: you might be the first guy that tried with this manjaro thing. what is it even ?
GUNNARSON_: It's one of those distros that you end up with when you've decided that you've had it with windows but don't really know a lot about computers in general
GUNNARSON_: newbie friendly UNIX tier, tried debian and ubuntu before - both worked OK but fucked it up by installing too much junk that made it run very slow and didn't know of an easy fix
mircea_popescu: well... there's a lot to learn here then
danielpbarron: not sure there is any os left out there you can follow the wiki guide "to a T" on
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, Manjaro thing apparently is arch flavour.
diana_coman: fwiw I've recently re-compiled eulora client on a fresh gentoo and it was pretty much straightforward (gcc 4.9 though, not 6. or other wonders)
diana_coman: if anything needs added, perhaps add in red on the wiki "gcc 4.9 required"
diana_coman: oh, and it works even without nvidia stuff; probably not as high fps as with it but not really problematic at all
Mocky: diana_coman, I got stuck again. Not the crater this time, fell off the edge of the world. Can you help me out, pretty please?
danielpbarron: Mocky, if you feel up to it, there is a place in the client code that defines movement behavior, and you can change the 'y' value from '0' to something like '100' to make your character jump high in the sky, and hopefully out of whatever pit you are in
Mocky: oh ok, perfect. Thank you
lobbesbot: Post from danielpbarron: The Unbearable Lightness of Being <http://danielpbarron.com/2018/the-unbearable-lightness-of-being/>
Mocky: ok, back on dry land. thx again for the suggestion danielpbarron
danielpbarron: oh hey, cool!
diana_coman: well done Mocky
mircea_popescu: what did i miss
mircea_popescu goes to see log
diana_coman: anyone took my tables + bct?
diana_coman: Mocky?
Mocky: diana_coman, yes I have. Was I wrong to think they were in danger of disappearing after a long time on the ground?
mircea_popescu: no, actually that's nice of yiu
Mocky: haha didn't you make a huge crumby mess on that last weekend?
Mocky: oops, wrong window
mircea_popescu: lol
diana_coman: Mocky, things left long on the ground may disappear, yes, you are right; you around ?
Mocky: I'm around now
diana_coman: Mocky, I'll give you a skill book for all the trouble; do you want gathering or building?
Mocky: oh, cool. building please
diana_coman: there you go; accept and then go a bit further away so I can take the tables
Mocky: thanks.
diana_coman: yw; and thanks for looking after my stuff
diana_coman: fwiw I haven't yet seen *guarded* stuff vanishing but who knows
Mocky: you're welcome
diana_coman: it might make for interesting info to keep track of your output (quantity and quality) as you rank up your building skill
Mocky: indeed
diana_coman: you might need to fix foxybot on the logging part too since it used to just log as "output" the difference between what it had in inv of that sort before and after; trouble is that this was made at a time when stuff was mixed automatically and unavoidably so it doesn't take into consideration quality/doesn't look for more than one pile; moreover iirc the inv msg processing needs a small fix too
Mocky: oh, yeah I'll have a look at that
diana_coman: ugh, foxy's back to crafting 9 items instead of 10; at the same time q went up by 2 points though
mircea_popescu: i'm making a milk. 15k quality bundle, too. hopefully the click completes, got interrupted once before midway ;/
diana_coman: high q bp too?
mircea_popescu: 1.3k or so
diana_coman: not bad; seems to take quite a while when both bp and bundle q are that high
mircea_popescu: looks like it might finish early tomorrow. with any luck.
diana_coman: hi wyrdmantis , how's it going?
Mocky: mircea_popescu: so you'll know, I have not forgotten http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-5-3#348177 ; I have a series of 4 posts in mind to describe my work on foxybot. 2 are complete the third is in progress. Setup of the blog itself is also underway and I expect to publish this week.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-03 17:55 mircea_popescu: tell you what, i'll buy you shared hosting on pizarro's server for the rest of the year, you get a blog up there and publish the foregoing. how about that ?
mircea_popescu: Mocky, not more than 2 posts in mind at any time plox.
mircea_popescu: start publishing. can always edit later.
diana_coman will read
Mocky: well now that two are completed, I in fact only do have 2 in mind. However your point is taken.
mircea_popescu: cool.
Mocky: oh shit, sounds like a biggie, grats mircea_popescu
Mocky: i guess not big enough for all time hall of fame, only this month
mircea_popescu: hm ?
mircea_popescu: o look at that, q 1581 apron lint.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, did you want tuber milk btw ? or i don't recall what we were doing with it.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, can't quite recall; possibly it was part of cheese but iirc I still have a load of cheese
mircea_popescu: Mocky, it's complicated-er than it seems. the top reports the total value, but because of overcraft one can a) always get in the top if they are doing expensive enough things and b) not necessarily profit by it.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i think it was something else.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, eg, here i clicked a 35689 * 135.00 = 4818015 bundle. not counting the recipe and the tool decay, the result being 3.66 mn means i made a 1.2mn loss.
diana_coman: what are numbers when you are in the top!! :P
mircea_popescu: hey. what are numbers when i could have actually dinged. on oc like that...
diana_coman: this could have is a bit like "he has great potential" :P
diana_coman: one can ding on a tiny claim iirc...
diana_coman feels a tad the gnat-grumpy-effect
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, yes, but you know, to get the same 1bn, one needs a much better ding on 100 than on 100k.
diana_coman: true, true; have better dings is all I say
mircea_popescu: lol. kk.
mircea_popescu: anyway,80% or so return on tm isn't the end of the world, iirc that was expensive af.
Mocky: I think I was seeing the same thing on a small rr claim where 244 worth of cft and 187 tool wear got me 361 worth of rr for a 16% loss. or would have been had not diana_coman bought at a premium to give me 8% profit
mircea_popescu: Mocky, most things sell at premiums, for this reason. the game is a) getting the premiums right and b) managing to wring a few % out of the tower.
mircea_popescu: that's why items like http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/ or http://trilema.com/2015/whoever-said-resource-allocation-is-a-solved-problem-deserves-a-kick-in-the-nads/ are all about.
diana_coman: Mocky, that's part of the trouble with "what is this worth?" : the quality-adjusted base value is really just that, a baseline, the minimum value as it were since s.mg via npc will pay that for it
mircea_popescu: imo a very close approximation of actual reality. certainly the closest one of these "virtual economies" in games ever got.
Mocky nods
mircea_popescu: doing a bouq click now, curious if it can even finish.
lobbesbot: Post from danielpbarron: irssi on pizarro shared hosting <http://danielpbarron.com/2018/irssi-on-pizarro-shared-hosting/>
danielpbarron got eulora working on a new debian install. had to downgrade gcc but works otherwise
mod6: kewl
mircea_popescu: nice,
Mocky: mircea_popescu, my first 3 posts are up: http://mocky.org/prelude-to-hacking-on-eulora/
mircea_popescu: o hey!
mircea_popescu: Mocky, dude, you're rad.
mircea_popescu: that "fucking ms visual c" thing was a pleasure.
Mocky: thanks
mircea_popescu: alright, so what humongous task are you ready for next ?
Mocky: I was thinking post number 4, but that's not exactly humongous
mircea_popescu: ok, the situation here is : we're not the happiest ever with the quality of legacy code ; and about to move to a new client-server paradigm, detailed in www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/
mircea_popescu: if you attempt to hack the client into shape so as to use the new thing, even if unsuccessful, you will be in a prime position to be an actual client releaser once that rolls around.
Mocky: I'm down to attempt that level of client change. Just be aware that the only thing I know about c++ is that it looks like java but with more stupid shit. I don't know where the landmines are and I don't have the reference to say if I hacked it into better or worse shape
mircea_popescu: i don't see the drawback.
mircea_popescu: complain if you run into trouble ; maybe idle in #trilema too ; have fun and break dumb shit down.
Mocky: this eulora protocol looks interesting
mircea_popescu: it's still rfc, so feel free to comment.
lobbes: Mocky, does your blog have an RSS feed? I'll add it to the blog-roll in here if so
Mocky: lobbes, I'll let you know once I turn that on
diana_coman: ahahah, those posts are great to read, Mocky
diana_coman: you have a comment in there waiting moderation too
diana_coman: re "only when it's needed" stuff at equip: the reason for that (looong time ago,not really applicable anymore) was that each action took a weird dance of do-wait-check-wait-done and so one really did not want to ask to waste all that time if not needed
Mocky: diana_coman, thanks, they were fun to write
Mocky: and comments answered
Mocky: ugh, I can't link to comments on my own blog. need to add comment anchors
diana_coman: possibly content-selection links too, if you are looking into that anyway
diana_coman: Mocky, feel free to ask in here if you get stuck on foxyboy/client code, as I might be able to help or at least point to some useful things
Mocky: content-selection links, yeah I saw that on trilema.com, I need to figure out how that works
Mocky: yeah, if I get stuck I'll definitely hit you up
diana_coman: Mocky, it's explained here: http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/
Mocky: oh, thank you
diana_coman: yw :) there's a LOT of accumulated stuff all around so ...ask, yes; can't hurt at any rate
Mocky: http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/#selection-33.88-33.188 omg no, just no
diana_coman: lol!
mircea_popescu: this may be the first time someone said that re a trilema block, /me runs over to see wtf.
mircea_popescu: oh. jhahaha
Mocky: lobbes, http://mocky.org/feed.xml
lobbes: !QRSS Mocky
lobbesbot: lobbes: 2018-05-12T00:00:00+0000: Required Foxybot Fixes <http://mocky.org/required-foxybot-fixes/>
lobbesbot: Post from mocky: Foxybot Enhancements Part 1: Better Claim Selection <http://mocky.org/Foxybot-Enhancements-Part-1-Better-Claim-Selection/>
mircea_popescu: Mocky, here's a request : make the bot also drop the finished product, not just hte materials, to get around weight issue.
Mocky: ok, added to the road map
mircea_popescu: btw, you seen http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-as-seen-by-mircescu-one-year-later/ ?
Mocky: i've been going through Category: Trolloludens in chronological order, i'm about 4 posts away from that one
Mocky: but looking now
mircea_popescu: ah kk. so then not news, as there was an older one.
Mocky: re: map of exploration logs, my current effort is directed at: http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-5-15#355877
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 13:19 diana_coman: you might need to fix foxybot on the logging part too since it used to just log as "output" the difference between what it had in inv of that sort before and after; trouble is that this was made at a time when stuff was mixed automatically and unavoidably so it doesn't take into consideration quality/doesn't look for more than one pile; moreover iirc the inv msg processing needs a small fix too
mircea_popescu: no rush.
diana_coman: Mocky, at the time when I made foxybot claims came exactly and precisely where your char was; nowadays they seem to be a bit fuzzier so you might want to weigh this if you look into making/updating maps (i.e. whether bot should consider claim location as it does iirc or char's location)
Mocky: indeed, i've been considering just that
Mocky: also diana_coman, i have 1 or 2 more posts that will be coming out that cover foxybot changes I made before you pointed me to your foxybot blog posts, so if they show ignorance of something you've discussed, pls don't think I ignored your suggestion
diana_coman: no worries
lobbesbot: Post from eulora: Eulora’s Communication Protocol, restated. <http://trilema.com/2018/eulora%e2%80%99s-communication-protocol-restated/>
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, got a bunbcha wpl ?
lobbesbot: Post from mocky: Foxybot Enhancements Part 2: Trade All The Things <http://mocky.org/Foxybot-Enhancements-Part-2-Trade-All-The-Things/>
mircea_popescu: "I used it for days but there was a small problem that bugged me more than a small problem should." <<->> "Foxybot bending over to pick something up 'seductively' at the moment I happen to look at the screen. Coincidence?"
mircea_popescu: did someone misspell "buggered" ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, check him out, he made an "all all" button.
Mocky: buggered, damn
diana_coman: heh, cool stuff Mocky
diana_coman: claim memory is very useful actually
diana_coman: "grab closest" was a simple heuristic for "most likely to be mine as opposed to someone else's who happens to explore around me" - at some point there was this issue when people explored close to one another (because messages from server for new claims don't identify explicitly who the owner is)
Mocky: I can picture it
diana_coman: !QAuction 3.6mn 48 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 170 STARTED by diana_coman: 16267 WPL q67 Opening: 3.6mn coppers Ending: 2018-05-23 14:50:02 UTC (48 hours)
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (47h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
diana_coman: morning
mircea_popescu: heya.
diana_coman: oh hi mircea_popescu ; wpl is on the block
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (31h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 152 * 3.6 * .67
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 366.624
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 152 * 16267 * .67
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 1656631.28
mircea_popescu: 200% srsly ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, not so sure what's going on here, my own shop shows it 125/155. though apparently i paid you 300% for the last batch ?
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (29h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
diana_coman: my shop says basics 195%; I would sell craftables at 125% but certainly not resources, esp not q>10, esp not non-basics etc
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, and yes, I think your shop is rather outdated but I don't recall last time you updated it or what
mircea_popescu: says 2016. the stuff in auction report is from 2017 -- though wasn't this before cft was available ?
diana_coman: anyways, what can I say, that's what I can sell wpl atm for; if nobody takes it, fine with me, I'll make it into stuff and sell that at lower % because atm this is how it is, harvestables are more difficult to get high q now
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i spent so long making cc...
mircea_popescu: kinda out of the loop by now.
diana_coman: yes, I was digging through all sorts yest to figure out some price at all tbh
diana_coman: trouble with harvestables goes beyond cft really
diana_coman: I mean yes, cft available is fine, means one can sell all sorts, BUT
diana_coman: noobs don't get wpl AT ALL
diana_coman: as in: not even with a cs (I tried, yes)
mircea_popescu: i guess i should go out mining a spell to find out huh.
mircea_popescu: trouble is i have all these bct/cc bps to do something with.
diana_coman: so while basics I could conceivably sell for much lower, non-basics are very iffy because of all the hassle involved
diana_coman: well, it can stay there, next time one asks for wpl I can point them to the failed auction: here, it was, nobody wanted it
mircea_popescu: lobbes, http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/ << could the tabs be clickable for sorting ?
mircea_popescu: http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/auction.php?AuctionId=142 << did this sell for 101% ?
diana_coman: re basics http://logs.minigame.biz/2017-07-24.log.html#t08:32:43
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-07-24 08:32:43: <diana_coman> I was selling basics at 195% though; that fine?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, anyway, my idea was to make cf, but i see it's like... 133% http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/view.php?ItemSHC=qf
mircea_popescu: not that much sold anyway. i'm so lost...
diana_coman: iirc danielpbarron was the ~only one with a use for qf and he was happy to make his own
diana_coman: wpl goes into wine chain though too
mircea_popescu: oh. hm.
diana_coman: otherwise yes, I'd say market is a mess (if one can even call it a market as I'm not sure what to call this thing we have right now)
mircea_popescu: i'm trying to recall ~why~ the everloving i was even making this cc.
mircea_popescu: maybe for toolkits ?
diana_coman: probably more "because loads of bct and nothing to do" but otherwise yes
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: well, let's see, is there anything you want ?
diana_coman: cs as long as they are not at some 400% or crazy stuff like that
mircea_popescu: alright. anything else ?
mircea_popescu: apparently i bought a lot of lft and ibs from you this year. i was making maybe io ? or wtf.
diana_coman: well, low q cons would be something I REALLY want, lol
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2017-12-15.log.html#t14:09:23
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-12-15 14:09:23: <lobbesbot> AUCTION # 165 has ENDED: 512 CS d 20239 SOLD to diana_coman for 20mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
diana_coman: yes, eaten long time ago
mircea_popescu: http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/view.php?ItemSHC=cs << check out the price, 207% 178% 414% 198%
diana_coman: basically fox either mines with a cs or fucks herself royally
mircea_popescu: of course the 400 were actually huge q, so there is some logic here
diana_coman: yes
diana_coman: but I need cs for mining now so I'd rather have them usual q, no bother
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2017-10-21.log.html#t22:39:48 << o wow check this out too
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-10-21 22:39:48: <lobbesbot> AUCTION # 153 has ENDED: 662 Grubsilk Thread Process (bp) q133 SOLD to mircea_popescu for 14.75mn coppers. Attn: diana_coman
mircea_popescu: maybe i was making gin...
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, is there something you wanted ?
diana_coman: I actually have loads of gin I can't even recall whatever for
diana_coman: ufh
diana_coman: oh, it goes into grubsilk thread, hm
diana_coman: prolly still on the line with tomes and clicking conses except that line is stuck atm because no low q conses to be able to click, ugh
mircea_popescu: hm... so should i make btoolkits ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'd buy some basic tools
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, so is the cons process where we're stuck ?
mircea_popescu: ah ok, lessee what i got here
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, turns out i have everything needed to make cs, should i do that then ?
diana_coman: I dunno about the others but from where I'm standing I'd say yes, atm that's the main bottleneck (not least because we're living now on old bps but presumably stocks will finish at some point)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what markup would you want for them?
mircea_popescu: i got q290 neo tink cons, how low q is low ?
diana_coman: preferably <50q; I have those huge q bundles, they take ...months
mircea_popescu: ah.
diana_coman: I don't even know otherwise what's with the sacrifice line whether anyone is doing anything there, any chance of anything new coming out of it or what
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you know me, i go by inputs. what'd you charge me for sb, tpt and pss ?
diana_coman: I have a feeling that's how it ended last time in calculating that it's cheaper to make them
mircea_popescu: hm. well, you don't wanna calc it ?
diana_coman: anyways, to get this unstuck atm without further calcs it would stand at 190% sb and 200% tpt+pss
diana_coman: there's the great unknown time + bps
diana_coman: i.e. I can go mine or I can craft, not both at same time
mircea_popescu: ok, let me do a click and see what comes out k
diana_coman: k
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ok, it's on. nfi how long it takes though, pretty high society click.
diana_coman: lol; did you recover tink rank 1st meanwhile ?
mircea_popescu: i dun even know.
mircea_popescu: i certainly ground a lot of threads.
diana_coman: I made a ton of cc mainly because bot made them itself without any input, kind of ideal when busy otherwise
mircea_popescu: anyway, get back to you re cs pricing in 2-3 days once this click finishes.
diana_coman: lol, k
mircea_popescu: what can i do lol. need some basis.
mircea_popescu: noa, eu ma duc la somnic. spor.
diana_coman: somn usor
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (28h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
Mocky: is 'cs' a Chetty's Divining Stick?
Mocky: diana_coman, I have 200k rr q 1 to sell you if want some quantity of that still. I'm interested in buying a gathering book from you, if I can afford
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (23h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
diana_coman: Mocky> is 'cs' a Chetty's Divining Stick? <- yes
diana_coman: I'll buy the rr as promised, sure; a skill book is 100k;
diana_coman: I'll be around a bit more in ~2 hours
Mocky nods
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (21h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
danielpbarron: i've been out of the loop quite a bit as well, not sure what i'm in the market for either
danielpbarron: but i agree low quality considerations would be nice
danielpbarron: as for sacrifice, i'd need supplications
danielpbarron: i have use for leather but if i recall correctly i still have an enormous supply of my own
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (20h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
diana_coman: I don't even recall: how were supplications obtained ?
diana_coman: Mocky, trade foxy whenever convenient (and ping here if she doesn't answer)
Mocky started trade
Mocky: diana_coman, ok that
Mocky: s 200,000 q 1 rr
diana_coman: Mocky, what was I paying for this?
Mocky: 1.3 x base
diana_coman: !~calc 200000*0.01*67*1.3
diana_coman: !Qcalc 200000*0.01*67*1.3
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 174200
diana_coman: there we go, thank you
Mocky: oh yeah, can i buy a gathering book from you?
diana_coman: sure
diana_coman: enjoy!
Mocky: ok thanks!
diana_coman: o.O one of my remarks is gone :(
diana_coman: I suppose the next will follow since I just can't build them :(
danielpbarron: :<
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (19h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
danielpbarron: i think supps come from bouq cons
diana_coman: ah, the lower tier ones probably
diana_coman: !Qcalc 7*150936/(20390*29.78+2039*8.89+3000)
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 1.6814948433
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (18h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
lobbesbot: Post from danielpbarron: I would certainly not like to be a bit of your plankton. <http://danielpbarron.com/2018/i-would-certainly-not-like-to-be-a-bit-of-your-plankton/>
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, wd !
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, supplications take wine and altar clicks
mircea_popescu: hanbot, danielpbarron you stuck on wine ?
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (13h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
lobbes: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-05-22.log.html#t09:19:34 << added to hopper (I was thinking of adding this myself, so this just confirms that it is worth the effort to change)
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-05-22 09:19:34: <mircea_popescu> lobbes, http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/ << could the tabs be clickable for sorting ?
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (11h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
mircea_popescu: Mocky, how would you like to do a click for me btw ?
Mocky: sure
mircea_popescu: ok, how this works is you'll be stuck unable to move dfor days.
mircea_popescu: we'll start once i finish this cs mega click, ill ping you.
Mocky: ok
Mocky: what benefit do you get from me doing the click?
mircea_popescu: prolly thurs.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, you're low level, should produce lower level ouputs, which is what they were saying they want
Mocky: makes sense
mircea_popescu: though i currently have nfi how long it would actually take you and a) this means if you lose connection it sucks and b) you can't play in the interval
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (10h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
danielpbarron: i could also use wine, but i specifically don't have supplications
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (8h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
diana_coman: o.O I got lots of moss AND a murky something from a small sm claim!
diana_coman: 1 q1 smelly murky something but anyways
diana_coman: so hm, apparently if one is REALLY lucky, one can basically get at least some skills just by building claims, huh
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (1h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
lobbesbot: Post from mocky: Log Reference: Why Ada <http://mocky.org/Log-Reference-Why-Ada/>
danielpbarron: diana_coman, i think that means you won a part of that old contest
danielpbarron: http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-sunday-event-july-the-19th/
danielpbarron: not sure if it has to be a never before seen skill or what
diana_coman: ah, you're right, huh; is that contest even still valid
diana_coman: july 2015, good god
diana_coman: didn't you find the mysterious rocks similarly?
diana_coman: ahahah, it turns out I *had* found one before in ...2017 lol http://logs.minigame.biz/2017-01-06.log.html#t07:23:05
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-01-06 07:23:05: <diana_coman> o.O I have 1 (ONE, lol) smelly murky something
diana_coman: at any rate, apparently 2 out of 6, 3 years later, sigh
lobbesbot: A#170 O=3.6mn HB=No bids E=05-23 14:50:02 (0h41) >>> 16267 WPL q67
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 170 has ENDED: No Sale. Attn: diana_coman
diana_coman: oh well
Mocky: I'm interested in buying tinkering book if someone has one to sell
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, whoa wd!
Mocky: oh man, I just dug up my first ordinary claim. nondescript tubers
danielpbarron: congrats!
danielpbarron: i also found a skill item from building (the #2 top pops score of mysterious rocks) but it didn't qualify for award because i am special :<
danielpbarron: also, that might've been before loot items came with a crafter mark
danielpbarron: which is curious, the prizes were unclaimable for some time
danielpbarron: Mocky, i have lots of pre-made, high quality ordinary bundles if you come across something you can't make yourself
diana_coman: well done Mocky !
diana_coman: was that with bare hands even??
Mocky: can't make anything, actually. but i bought a q250 bundle off spirover, cost most of my nest egg
Mocky: yeah, bare hands
diana_coman: wow, your char sounds ....lucky
danielpbarron: oh electron still sells that stuff? harumph
danielpbarron: well my spirover bundles are pre-float, so 2.5k quality
danielpbarron: guess that's out of your price range then
Mocky: i'm thinking so!
danielpbarron: oh also, if you wanna buy coppers, i'm the guy to talk to
Mocky: oh ok
danielpbarron: and come to think of it, i'm in the position where i'd like to sell btc, so if you wanna do paypal that'd be no problem. of course bitcoin/deedbot also good
Mocky: ok. I feel like I'm probably going to want to buy in a few weeks
danielpbarron: cool
diana_coman: oh ha, spirover even has... 1 brew??
diana_coman: who sold it to him, lol
danielpbarron: bbb or that other thing?
danielpbarron: my guess is shinohai
diana_coman: I guess so, huh; I bought the brew, lel; bbb, yes
danielpbarron: oh bbb, *snore*
lobbesbot: Post from danielpbarron: No Country For Old Men <http://danielpbarron.com/2018/no-country-for-old-men/>
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, but i didn't say anything!
mircea_popescu: in other good news, this cs is 2/3 cooked, so i guess another day now
Mocky: aha! I see that not only I blogged about mis-adventure with visual studio and eulora, but diana_coman also, some 1300 days ago!
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
Mocky: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/
mircea_popescu: o o i see
diana_coman: hm, I don't really have a pile of tink books, might need to make some these days
mircea_popescu: i think maybe i have one
lobbesbot: Post from mocky: Foxybot Enhancements Part 3 Getting Into Trouble And Back Out <http://mocky.org/Foxybot-Enhancements-Part-3-Getting-Into-Trouble-And-Back-Out/>
Mocky: ok so I'm hitting ordinary claims bare handed at a rate of about 2 per thousand now. it seems +ev to build them but less profitable than continuing on with tiny claims. Unless there's demand for tubers, rr or rf at quality 1 at 2x base price
mircea_popescu: i'd take nt / rf actually. why not pile a bunch an' make an auction ?
Mocky: i don't have the coppers to buy the bundles, and if i make myself with 0 tinkering I don't expect good results
mircea_popescu: ah there's that huh.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, do the click for me, that'll net you a cool mn.
Mocky: ok
mircea_popescu: i guess i'll be done in about 6-8 hours maybe. you around then ?
Mocky: yes
Mocky: i may be going hiking in virginia for the weekend tho, no idea how long click will take
mircea_popescu: you don't have to be there for it though. just as long as you don't lose connection.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi either, but i expect a ~long~ time.
mircea_popescu: eg, the current click i'm about to finish took almost 3 days.
Mocky: I think my connection is pretty reliable, but then it always is until it isn't
danielpbarron: Mocky, make what yourself?
Mocky: ordinary claim bundles
danielpbarron: tinkering doesn't make those better, unless you mean making the ingredients
Mocky: what makes those higher quality?
danielpbarron: building
mircea_popescu: as far as anyone knows, a bundle quality is the weighted average of the quality of the components.
danielpbarron: higher building means you can put in more ingredients
mircea_popescu: yeah. you may not have realised this, but the recipes change depending who looks at them
danielpbarron: but now i'm curious how he even got the ingredients
Mocky: did not realize that
Mocky: I haven't the ingredients, but i saw the list and saw that what i don't currently have can be had from spirover
mircea_popescu: Mocky, the logs are full of me saying "eulora is not what oyu imagine" at people, because there's all these naive/inept assumptions built into gamers by a lifetime of captivity in http://trilema.com/2016/the-eastern-rpg/
mircea_popescu: it's not that "oh, eulora is a bitcoin game that isn't a flimsy wrapper atop a jukebox". it's that eulora ~actually does decentralization~. not in the certification-seeking way, either, but as a fundamental, conceptual thing, resulting in incomprehensible stuff like "hey, recipes -- vary by reader. like fucking ancient texts. probolem ?"
danielpbarron: huh, i should check out this shinohai dump
mircea_popescu: which ?
mircea_popescu: oh lol.
mircea_popescu: http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/mining-recipes.html << holy shit, what, you got slithy toves for tuber bundle ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, the rf ord is easy enough, though.
Mocky: i have built a handful of small claims, including one with a ~1k quality bundle from foxy and i build 1 ordinary claim with spirover 250q bundle. so yeah, i realize i know next to nothing yet
mircea_popescu looks at his q > 2000 bundles. oh joy, that i bought them when i did!
Mocky: guessing what's-what is iffy, yet guess i must. I also found lobbes logs yest which go back much farther than bvulpes. it's so fun reading ~everyone being a noob just like me.
Mocky: so much reading to do
mircea_popescu: yeah, log.minigame.biz
mircea_popescu: iirc it's complete.
Mocky: http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-4-29#345541 << ok, now i understand this. i didnt' understand that 69 to 94 lbn would be going into each bundle!
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-29 19:04 diana_coman: Mocky, well done; Foxy can make bundles with 69 to 94 bits of nothing so if you gather some serious quantities of bits of nothing bring them to me and I'll pack you some serious bundles; I'll also buy low quality rickety reeds
diana_coman: Mocky, aha; from the other side it can be difficult to say which part/where you don't get it unless you ..say something
diana_coman: in other news, I just had Fox make some 15 sm ord bundles but it's a pain
diana_coman: basically I'd sell ord bundles I suppose if only I could do them by bot pretty much
diana_coman: (they ended up ~900q without much trouble really)
diana_coman: ofc that didn't even help foxy much as she still got q3 out of the ord...
Mocky: diana_coman, at the time I thought I understood!
diana_coman: takes a bit of time to become eulora-suspicious enough
diana_coman: btw, do you get any *small* claim by hand Mocky ? or just tiny and ords?
diana_coman: "by hand" = bare hand mining, no tool
Mocky: only tiny and ord so far
diana_coman: interesting
danielpbarron: cool, there was a high quality samovar in spirover!
danielpbarron: and some high quality numina :D
mircea_popescu: wowza.
danielpbarron: i didn't see any ord ingredients. a few slag recipies and some basics
mircea_popescu: in other remarkable news : the oiriginal craft time delay was intended to balance economic considerations not yet much expressed in game. it has the misfortune that it stepped on my toe earlier, and so it's going the fuck away. starting wed all crafts will complete instantly ; the time system will be re-introduced later, once a) we finally get the fucking npcs and other items needed so player can increase productivity as origi
mircea_popescu: nally designed and b) decouple crafting from net connection, so it can be simple queue.
mircea_popescu: in other words, enjoy this bonus while it lasts.
Mocky: oh man, you were due to finish that any time now
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: fucking hell.
danielpbarron: !!! !!!!!
danielpbarron 'considers' what he will craft....
mircea_popescu: lol
diana_coman: ffs
diana_coman: !Qcalc 8*1.15*470/(5.95*470+1.2*59)
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 1.50803892163
diana_coman: !Qcalc 8*1.15*470*1.5/(5.95*470*2+1.2*470)
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 1.0534351145
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, look at that ^ ; considering even basics at 200% and bps at 1000% tier 1 craftablle (dg) ends up ever so slightly +ev sold at 150%
diana_coman: !QCalc 8*1.15*470/(5.95*470+1.2*47)
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 1.51565074135
diana_coman: in bv terms it would be indeed 150% so basically 150% is absolute minimum for which fox could sell *any* harvestables really (since at anything lower than that she's better off just crafting it and getting same in actual bv
diana_coman: of course, it might be that fox is simply too good a crafter to actually sell harvestables directly and that's that
diana_coman: (i.e. others might be able to sell harvestables at a lower markup and still find it best option for them)
mircea_popescu: hm.
lobbesbot: Post from dianacoman: A Tiny Stab at a Little Pricing Problem <http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/24/a-tiny-stab-at-a-little-pricing-problem/>
diana_coman: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/24/a-tiny-stab-at-a-little-pricing-problem/#comment-1226 -> answered
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, danielpbarron ^ ; adding to that, it turns out time might be the killer but quite in the sense of making it even iffier to sell harvestables - atm fox is crafting faster than she mines so there clearly is no surplus
diana_coman: I guess the only hope there comes from a set of determined noob miners to flood the market with cheaper harvestables
diana_coman: in this vein, Foxy'll have to offer bundles I suppose so I'll look into that next
diana_coman: uhm, one of my noobs picked up a table crafted by some christian guy
diana_coman: trying again to build a remark with a 200q bundle so not even something crazy: client reports...41 days needed
Mocky: diana_coman, just got a small claim bare handed
Mocky: 41 days, wow
diana_coman: sound like your char is getting better at it Mocky
Mocky: seems that way
diana_coman: Mocky, what gathering and building ranks did you get to if you don't mind saying it?
Mocky: gather 27, build 35
diana_coman: hey, not that bad really
diana_coman: are you getting higher quality stuff or still 1?
Mocky: still all 1
diana_coman: prolly too low q bundles
Mocky: yeah q11 bundles
danielpbarron: diana_coman, that was my table
Mocky: I'm taking off on 4 day hike of appalachian trail in virginia. be back next week
diana_coman: danielpbarron, you in town?
danielpbarron: yes
diana_coman: gah, I just went behind the houses
diana_coman: mind coming over?
diana_coman: danielpbarron, ^
danielpbarron: ty
diana_coman: trading it didn't quite work (it complained first that it was full and then it did not want to allow me to move the bct directly
diana_coman: np
blessedmagnus: Hello
blessedmagnus: Did all the steps on the wiki, can someone activate my account?
mircea_popescu: blessedmagnus, what account was it ?
blessedmagnus: 1ED7AC4583C9D83A4131010171C0411BF2FC4672
mircea_popescu: http://wot.deedbot.org/1ED7AC4583C9D83A4131010171C0411BF2FC4672.asc << that dun exist.
blessedmagnus: Ok, that was the string deedbot returned after i messaged it !!register <wotpaste of public key>, I just assumed it was what you were asking for
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean, you want an account made ?
mircea_popescu: blessedmagnus, did you play before and lost your pw ; or is this your first time and you need an account to play ?
blessedmagnus: Yes
mircea_popescu: right. one moment.
blessedmagnus: No, I haven't played before
mircea_popescu: blessedmagnus, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Gijk8/?raw=true
blessedmagnus: thanks
mircea_popescu: my pleasure.
diana_coman: heh, mining is back: waking up at 2500 rr 258q is not entirely bad
diana_coman: and mini-pop 2.4k rr q12 lol
diana_coman: in the sads of foxy: while the boys are happily picking hundreds of fruit/rr with foxy's bundles, she's catching snails ONE-BY-ONE
diana_coman: her snails are indeed some 900q while their rr/rf are 200q but still
Mocky: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-05-24.log.html#t12:58:55 << if you do have a tink book, and would sell for 100k, let me know
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-05-24 12:58:55: <mircea_popescu> i think maybe i have one
mircea_popescu: indeed. meet me in game Mocky
mircea_popescu: any other books you want while i;m at it ?
Mocky: i've read gathering and building, only know about tinkering as a third book
mircea_popescu: aw shit, all my books are now q 1000, worth 170k base.
mircea_popescu: you can have one for 200k ; or you can wait till i click some more, should come out cheaper.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i got sortage, mcguyver, cooking an' bouquinism. besides those three.
Mocky: maybe i have some harvestables you want, otherwise I'll have to wait
mircea_popescu: how much do you charge for 'em ?
mircea_popescu: besides, your credit's good enough, you can have them on credit.
mircea_popescu: shiiiit, i got high q lbn now too! any demand for q110 stuff ?
Mocky: all quality 1, charging 1.3x base
mircea_popescu: or q 11480 ? lol.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, i'll take all you got./
Mocky: ok looking now to see what i have
Mocky: i have 71,843 nt, 106270 rr, 8125 rf, 12315 tpt
mircea_popescu: just dump it all in trade window
mircea_popescu: Mocky, ^
Mocky: ok
Mocky: crashed, brb
Mocky: mircea_popescu, sent trade request
mircea_popescu: ok sec to calc all this
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, hmm listen, right click on trade window shows me his... tool
mircea_popescu: Mocky, all these q1 ?
Mocky: yes all q1
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc (71843* 87 + 106270 * 67 + 8125*80 + 12315 * 159) * 0.01 * 1.3
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 207720.708
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: keep the change.
Mocky: thanks
Mocky: ok now i can afford 1.5 books
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: which did you want, tink ?
Mocky: yes
mircea_popescu: (they're not all the same price, eithger, depends on bv)
Mocky: right
mircea_popescu: cheerios.
mircea_popescu: btw, if you know any gfx artists ~that actually want to work~, they can prolly spend the rest of their life working for minigame.
Mocky: 3d modeling, 2d textures, illustrations, etc. ?
mircea_popescu: the works, really.
mircea_popescu: i mean i got a fucking questionmark book ffs.
Mocky: lol
Mocky: i'll ask around, see if i know anyone
mircea_popescu: works.
Mocky: mircea_popescu btw how much for that sortage book?
mircea_popescu: iirc they were like 1mn ea
Mocky: ok thanks
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the "shows his tool" is prolly the glitch on items
diana_coman: Mocky, what's your char doing atm?
diana_coman: o.O tpt at 130%? not bad
diana_coman: is that +ev Mocky ?
diana_coman: (tpt is not lumberjack resource, a bit harder to come by)
Mocky: looks like a glitch in my bot code
diana_coman: Mocky, what does it do ?
diana_coman: it's at it again
Mocky: was supposed to be exploring a wide area, looks like got stuck
diana_coman: ok, but was it just moving in a very small area exploring same place over and over?
Mocky: yeah
diana_coman: loads of claims around, right?
Mocky: yes
diana_coman: kk, thanks for the info
diana_coman: Mocky, did your bot get stuck again?
Mocky: nope
diana_coman: what is it doing now?
diana_coman: well, now it stopped
diana_coman: but earlier it was spamming basically, hm
Mocky: oh shit, that must be my 'all all' button
Mocky: just pulled a couple hundred lbn out of storage that were not stacked
diana_coman: hm, that "DoTrade" thing probably does *the whole* stuff each time huh
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, aren't you glad there's finally one of these ?
mircea_popescu: how should i call it, "non mentally-disabled non-mute" ? both does things and can talk about what he did ?
diana_coman: well, there *was* already the storage use part
mircea_popescu: i just mean in terms of process.
diana_coman: ah, that certainly, yes
diana_coman: server will come down for usual maintenance & update in ~20min
diana_coman: last 10 minutes, grab your tables, run for the hills, the sky is coming down (for maintenance and update)!
diana_coman: and server is back up, enjoy!
diana_coman: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-05-30.log.html#t03:10:44 <- this should be fixed now mircea_popescu , let me know if you still spot anything wrong there
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-05-30 03:10:44: <mircea_popescu> diana_coman, hmm listen, right click on trade window shows me his... tool
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
mircea_popescu sits down to do some real crafting!
diana_coman: foxy was making bundles as per http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-05-25.log.html#t10:51:30 but now it seems she should have done this...earlier even, lol
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-05-25 10:51:30: <diana_coman> in this vein, Foxy'll have to offer bundles I suppose so I'll look into that next
mircea_popescu: sooo.... click yielded nothing but maculature and shredding isntructiuons ;/
diana_coman: she had 25-88 cft on basic enums; now it's... 8-30
diana_coman: ahahha; but it was FAST!
diana_coman: was it?
diana_coman: well, you got 15mn, what
mircea_popescu: quite fast.
diana_coman: sooo, I was working on this plan of making 1000 bundles for each resource; turns out those I made are super now, no way I can get them same q that easily
mircea_popescu: aand im making q 4096 lbn nao
diana_coman: so ...no idea how to price them, lel
diana_coman: o.O
mircea_popescu: i made 123, 149, 223 lbns in 3 clicks. check that shit out.
mircea_popescu: 183...
diana_coman: numbers! lots and lots of numbers!!
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 167907 * 128
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 21492096
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 21492096 / (11 * 40.7)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 48005.5751619
mircea_popescu: hmm, storage says my maculature is only 221k each
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 221000 / (11 * 40.7)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 493.634129998
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i think your data page is wrong re maculature bv. http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/Maculature-Is.html
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, given how things change in eulora it might very well be; I can't even recall when was last I updated those
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: so in the end the megaclick was like 14mn worth of maculature.
diana_coman: that 15mn pop?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
diana_coman: at least I guess I can click now those huge cons and stuff but ...who knows what I get out
diana_coman: might try it out first with something less than 100mn
mircea_popescu: hehe. ima do this maculature to get an idea then try the stick
mircea_popescu: ohoho pop
mircea_popescu: MITESSSSSS
mircea_popescu: q 4k mites!!!!
diana_coman: niiiice
mircea_popescu: skill-ups do increase qual.
diana_coman: oh hm, woa per toils also went down; apparently fewer inputs at same skill at any rate
mircea_popescu: aand a mini. 1.5k lbn
mircea_popescu: hey Mocky want some high q lbn to try out ?
diana_coman: 12 sentiments q3217 + dust
diana_coman: and ranked in one click full level lapidary , ha
mircea_popescu: can you make mites ?
diana_coman: those are lvl 2 bouq?
mircea_popescu: yqa
diana_coman: then I can make them if I have enough lvl1 bouq
diana_coman: I have bouq toils and woa, yes
mircea_popescu: ok, we sort something out later then.
diana_coman: but check this out: before the update I got from one click 190 sentiments q1407; now I got only 12 if q 3217
diana_coman: can only hope it varies wildly or something
diana_coman: or otherwise I'll run out of woa before I can make any significant quantity
diana_coman: granted I could put more into the bundle for those 190 ; I did not have a pre-made bundle to be able to compare directly unfortunately
diana_coman: sooo, on the bright side, bot still works perfectly fine to craft, no problems
diana_coman: on the wobbly side: 10 dg clicks at 550q bundle + 120q bp -> 1 single dg 330q + 219 tpf 330q
diana_coman: possibly dg is more for noobs, fox should stick to her lapidary or smth
diana_coman: ahahah, check this shit out: noob makes with same bp and same ingredients (though his own making so bundle only 107 ...reliably 30 (!) dg + some tpf although q4
diana_coman: cheap and poor is plenty or what
diana_coman: !Qcalc 300*0.04*470+382*0.04*10
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 5792.8
diana_coman: !Qcalc 3.30*470+219*3.30*10
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 8778
diana_coman: !Qcalc 5.5*470*10
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 25850
diana_coman: !Qcalc 1.07*470*10
lobbesbot: diana_coman: 5029
mircea_popescu: bot dun work to craft maculature sadly
mircea_popescu: it expects to find the ingredients doesn;t look for pre-made bundle.
mircea_popescu: here's a feature req Mocky : fix bot to use bundle if available first.
diana_coman: should be quite easy as it used to look for bundle iirc
Mocky: ^ that actually is on the list
mircea_popescu: nice
mircea_popescu: you never answered, did oyu want some high q lbn ?
Mocky: what q and how much for it?
mircea_popescu: q 4k
mircea_popescu: like a dozen
diana_coman: Mocky sounds like a natural euloran really
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean ~buy it~. i meant do you want it, as in, free.
Mocky: hell yeah
mircea_popescu: trade moi.
Mocky: otw to town
Mocky: ur busy
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 13 * 447 + 3 * 407 + 2 * 40.7
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 7113.4
mircea_popescu: sooo... i spent about 15mn in maculature got ~7mn in numinae.
mircea_popescu: enjoy.
Mocky: thx
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ready for the sad news ?
diana_coman: euloran news is dismal, not sad
diana_coman: I'm pondering the apparent fact that bps kind of lost their crown
diana_coman: i.e. no more x items per bp then bp is ...qabv only?
diana_coman: exploring looks all of a sudden a way more... peaceful adventure
diana_coman: and I think it might be ...interesting to actually get cs now mircea_popescu ; if foxy's results are anything to go by, high skill seems to end up in higher q indeed but mainly numina, not crafted item
mircea_popescu: yep. cs click yielded no cs.
diana_coman: so the lapidary clicks were the exception? hmmm
mircea_popescu: aaand.... ummm.... apprentice bouq click yielded.... all maculature.
mircea_popescu: holy hell we're in trouble.
diana_coman: bring in the noobs!
mircea_popescu: ah you think ?
diana_coman: well, see above my experiment with dg
diana_coman: hopefully there is something in the middle too
diana_coman: total noob got reliable 30 items per click
diana_coman: (+numina)
diana_coman: I guess in some sense it's steering towards ....building really
diana_coman: i.e. noob gets a ton low q ; skilled gets very few but high q; can mix
diana_coman: will likely...have to mix
mircea_popescu: hmmm
diana_coman: foxy DID get 1 dg/ 10 clicks
diana_coman: so presumably you'll get some cs out of a whole run
diana_coman: and very high q too
mircea_popescu: hmmm
diana_coman: the hmmm update
mircea_popescu: im now doing more maculature because i... stupidly enough.... used up my mites.
diana_coman: as long as you still have wos at least..
diana_coman: because wos is likely to be a bitch to get: how many clicks on wos can you make to finally obtain one at least?
mircea_popescu: i do have some luckily. but... yeah.
mircea_popescu: actually... i guess i should try lol.
mircea_popescu: q : should i high or low load the bp ?!
diana_coman: nfi whether it matters even
diana_coman: ah, load
diana_coman: you mean whether to put in ..less?
diana_coman: you think that would help?
diana_coman: I kind of put always max so far, hm
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, semi-noob (61 rank tink) got a hoe 72268q out of foxy's high load bundle + bp 1200q
diana_coman: tpf there ended up some decent 772q too so dunno, might be worth high q stuff to pump the value up
diana_coman: o.O 52mn congrats mimisbrunnr
diana_coman: err, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: soo... hanbot danielpbarron what kind of supps should i sell ?
danielpbarron: the rare ones i guess. diana_coman was asking if anything ne was coming out of sacrifice
hanbot: mircea_popescu a 52mn supplication pop? oh boy oh boy
mircea_popescu: which are those ?
danielpbarron: the skill item ones
mircea_popescu: got a name ?
danielpbarron: i have a lot of mysterious rocks, so that
mircea_popescu: ah, i didn't get such a wonder sadly.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, made my day, i was bleeding cash like the above 15mn ->7mn transform...
hanbot: awesome
hanbot: anyway, thorns and berries are the lowest on my wishlist, otherwise i'm interested
mircea_popescu: aite, lessee
mircea_popescu: !QAuction 1mn 120 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 171 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 12 SoL q1735 Opening: 1mn coppers Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:00 UTC (120 hours)
mircea_popescu: !QAuction 1mn 120 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 172 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 12 SoM q1735 Opening: 1mn coppers Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:04 UTC (120 hours)
mircea_popescu: !QAuction 1mn 120 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 173 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 12 SoS q1735 Opening: 1mn coppers Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:07 UTC (120 hours)
mircea_popescu: ^ they're about 50.5k each qabv
mircea_popescu: wd diana_coman hehe
diana_coman: hah, and 3k q sentiments at that
diana_coman: interestingly enough though on lapidary so far fox never got only numina
diana_coman: maybe she's just not yet good enough for that or something
diana_coman: oooo
diana_coman: funnily enough precisely when popping it was..only numina lmao
diana_coman: hm, second "coincidence" is too coincidence
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: meanwhile doing some poc clicks just to see. so far... 0 poc
mircea_popescu: 10 clicks.
mircea_popescu: low q bundle, it is true.
danielpbarron: is the speed up not for building?
mircea_popescu: ahaha ONE coal finally.
danielpbarron: currently trying my sizeable, seems to be exremely slow
danielpbarron: !Qbid 171 1m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 171: 12 SoL q1735 Heard: 1mn from danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:00 UTC (119 hours 32 mins)
danielpbarron: !Qbid 172 1m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 172: 12 SoM q1735 Heard: 1mn from danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:04 UTC (119 hours 31 mins)
danielpbarron: !Qbid 173 1m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 173: 12 SoS q1735 Heard: 1mn from danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:07 UTC (119 hours 31 mins)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, crafting so far...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, whoa nice, 2x 30mn!
lobbesbot: A#171 O=1mn HB=1mn E=06-04 22:23:00 (119h12) >>> 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: A#172 O=1mn HB=1mn E=06-04 22:23:04 (119h12) >>> 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: A#173 O=1mn HB=1mn E=06-04 22:23:07 (119h13) >>> 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 3mn total bids ---
hanbot: !Qbid 171 1.5m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 171: 12 SoL q1735 Heard: 1.5mn from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:00 UTC (119 hours 4 mins)
hanbot: !Qbid 172 1.5m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 172: 12 SoM q1735 Heard: 1.5mn from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:04 UTC (119 hours 4 mins)
hanbot: !Qbid 173 1.5mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 173: 12 SoS q1735 Heard: 1.5mn from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:07 UTC (119 hours 4 mins)
danielpbarron: !Qbid 171 1.575m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 171: 12 SoL q1735 Heard: 1.575mn from danielpbarron overbidding hanbot Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:00 UTC (118 hours 49 mins)
danielpbarron: !Qbid 172 1.575m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 172: 12 SoM q1735 Heard: 1.575mn from danielpbarron overbidding hanbot Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:04 UTC (118 hours 49 mins)
danielpbarron: !Qbid 173 1.575m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 173: 12 SoS q1735 Heard: 1.575mn from danielpbarron overbidding hanbot Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:07 UTC (118 hours 49 mins)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone got high q tpt ?
mircea_popescu: sooo, got 9 coal in 250 clicks
lobbesbot: A#171 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:00 (118h12) >>> 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: A#172 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:04 (118h12) >>> 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: A#173 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:07 (118h13) >>> 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 4.725mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OU1zY/?raw=true
lobbesbot: A#171 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:00 (117h12) >>> 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: A#172 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:04 (117h12) >>> 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: A#173 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:07 (117h13) >>> 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 4.725mn total bids ---
Mocky: mircea_popescu, I have a lead on a possible artist, dude named travis. Supposedly does graphic novels, likes video games and has experience doing contract art work. He works with my son, I haven't met him. If he's interested should I have him drop by #eulora?
Mocky: I tried out the 4072q lbn. I used one to make a cdg bundle q4072. it took 10x the time to build the claim as a q11 bundle but resulted in 21 q1 cdg: same as with a q11 lbn. I did it 4 times, identical result. But also approx 40x more building xp granted.
lobbesbot: A#171 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:00 (116h12) >>> 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: A#172 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:04 (116h12) >>> 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: A#173 O=1mn HB=1.575mn E=06-04 22:23:07 (116h13) >>> 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 4.725mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: in other news : 600 clicks on lft, 200 bottles made. this is a terror.
hanbot: !Qbid 171 1.75m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 171: 12 SoL q1735 Heard: 1.75mn from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:00 UTC (114 hours 56 mins)
hanbot: !Qbid 172 1.75m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 172: 12 SoM q1735 Heard: 1.75mn from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:04 UTC (114 hours 56 mins)
hanbot: !Qbid 173 1.75m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 173: 12 SoS q1735 Heard: 1.75mn from hanbot overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:07 UTC (114 hours 56 mins)
lobbesbot: A#171 O=1mn HB=1.75mn E=06-04 22:23:00 (114h12) >>> 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: A#172 O=1mn HB=1.75mn E=06-04 22:23:04 (114h12) >>> 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: A#173 O=1mn HB=1.75mn E=06-04 22:23:07 (114h12) >>> 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 5.25mn total bids ---
danielpbarron: !Qbid 171 1.8375
lobbesbot: danielpbarron: Error: Invalid bid input. Examples of valid input: 12 ; 37k ; 1.3mn
danielpbarron: !Qbid 171 1.8375m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 171: 12 SoL q1735 Heard: 1.8375mn from danielpbarron overbidding hanbot Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:00 UTC (112 hours 24 mins)
danielpbarron: !Qbid 172 1.8375m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 172: 12 SoM q1735 Heard: 1.8375mn from danielpbarron overbidding hanbot Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:04 UTC (112 hours 24 mins)
danielpbarron: !Qbid 173 1.8375m
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 173: 12 SoS q1735 Heard: 1.8375mn from danielpbarron overbidding hanbot Ending: 2018-06-04 22:23:07 UTC (112 hours 24 mins)
lobbesbot: A#171 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:00 (112h12) >>> 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: A#172 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:04 (112h12) >>> 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: A#173 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:07 (112h12) >>> 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 5.5125mn total bids ---
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3dWZT/?raw=true
lobbesbot: A#171 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:00 (110h12) >>> 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: A#172 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:04 (110h12) >>> 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: A#173 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:07 (110h12) >>> 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 5.5125mn total bids ---
Birdman2: Server down?
Mocky: no
Birdman: Hm what changes do i need to do to run on winbl0ws now?
Mocky: oh one sec
Mocky: maybe /data/servers.xml needs 161.0.121.201
Birdman: that did it, thanks
Mocky: np
lobbesbot: A#171 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:00 (101h12) >>> 12 SoL q1735
lobbesbot: A#172 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:04 (101h12) >>> 12 SoM q1735
lobbesbot: A#173 O=1mn HB=1.8375mn E=06-04 22:23:07 (101h12) >>> 12 SoS q1735
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 5.5125mn total bids ---
lobbesbot: Post from mocky: Foxybot Enhancements Part 4: Slicing Off The Tip <http://mocky.org/Foxybot-Enhancements-Part-4-Slicing-Off-The-Tip/>

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