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2017-12-31 | 2018-2-1

diana_coman: Happy New Year!
diana_coman: ping 1200 tinkering, yay!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, did you get to 1200 on tinkering yet?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nope, like 6 short
mircea_popescu: grats huh!
diana_coman: o.O
diana_coman: thanks!
diana_coman: made a ton of ropes and all that, the harnesses at least rank up quite quickly
mircea_popescu: yeah i think the trick is using lower q bps
mircea_popescu: or maybe just not getting dc'd all the damned time
diana_coman: lol! the duh bps are 100q indeed; still not finished them for that matter but meanwhile I got some more f+sr so back to ibs
diana_coman: what's weird is that I was making 10 items at a time, now back to 9
mircea_popescu: im doing 7 braids
mircea_popescu: this is sad.
diana_coman: 6 levels difference translate into 2 items diff at the top? interesting
diana_coman: well, sad too; but mostly interesting :P
mircea_popescu: sad for me, heh.
lobbes: q4 billz are out: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762279
Kopr: Hello mircea can you do an login account for me please...?
mircea_popescu: yes but you have to have more patience than an hour.
mircea_popescu: also, properly highlighting me helps.
Birdman: when we getting a disassemble skill
mircea_popescu: for srs.
nolan_bugg: !~later tell mircea_popescu May I please have an Eulora account
jhvh1: nolan_bugg: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: nolan_bugg yeah gimme a few.
mircea_popescu: nolan_bugg didn't you have an account before ?
nolan_bugg: mircea_popescu: yes, but i lost the key
mircea_popescu: so oh i see. aite a sec
mircea_popescu: nolan_bugg http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VUljO/?raw=true
nolan_bugg: ty
diana_coman: Mercy Youthpick, lol
mircea_popescu: nb
nolan_bugg: have mercy on me
nolan_bugg: lol
diana_coman: this explore business is so sad without a working bot...
diana_coman: what brings you back nolan_bugg ?
mircea_popescu: i bet.
nolan_bugg: i mean, i really was not ever there in the first, my first login did not work and for whatever reason i have not been back until now
mircea_popescu: well so wb.
nolan_bugg: but i am closely associated with daniel p barron so he is usually talking to me about eulora
diana_coman: ah, wb!
nolan_bugg: i am looking forward to it
Birdman: welcome to the party
nolan_bugg: thank you, i am just reading over the wiki now to get the gameplay down
mircea_popescu: is anyone still taking apprentices ?
nolan_bugg: i will probably lacky around for dan if he will have it
danielpbarron: i'll probably find something for Mercy to work on
mircea_popescu: cool
danielpbarron: oh hey
nolan_bugg: heh
nolan_bugg: daniel i should say
mircea_popescu: evidently, a meeting of the minds.
nolan_bugg: indeed
danielpbarron: when this long craft of mine is finished, you should stop by town and i can give you some stuff to play with
nolan_bugg: ok, sounds good
danielpbarron: bahh, i guess i'm ready now. client froze
danielpbarron: have to look real close to see my guy isn't twitching
danielpbarron: otherwise it looks like maybe he's just still crafting
nolan_bugg: hm, maybe another box will be needed in the future at some point to be keep active here and play at same time
danielpbarron: the thing i'm gonna make next i'll try to have it do both
danielpbarron: gonna use trique's thing hopefully
danielpbarron: you don't have to disconnect irc tho, just detach the screen to play
nolan_bugg: yea, i got all that down
danielpbarron: but also in the future the ingame chat will be this chat
nolan_bugg: so long since i used irssi, i thought the alt functions were flipping through screen, but then realized in was flipping through irc chans
danielpbarron: is there a special way to do private messages now?
danielpbarron: i can start the convo with /tell lastname msg
danielpbarron: but when i reply afterwards, it says player not found unless i continue doing /tell lastname w/e
mircea_popescu: i think the /tell macro could be broken cuz firstname/lastname issue
mircea_popescu: try editing the eulora file
diana_coman: danielpbarron, you need to do /tell lastname every time
diana_coman: client's shortcut for that is broken because it uses by default the first name rather than last name
Birdman: damn daniel like 10+ hits with a stick and still no ord
Birdman: either im gearing up for better or i drained my personal loot pool thats been built up and made a deal based on the results of a small pool
Birdman: small sample size i mean
danielpbarron: sucks
Birdman: ya
lobbes: diana_coman (or anyone else, really): I'll be in
lobbes: Eulora near heina for the next few hours
mircea_popescu: lobbes do you prefer ecu or deedbot coins ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu, such a small sum. let's do Ecu (I dun wanna bother trinque with a bunch of micro-payments :P)
mircea_popescu: k. can i have link again plox ?
lobbes: sure thing: http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/mircea_popescu.txt
lobbes: came to 12480 ecu
mircea_popescu: aha ty.
mircea_popescu: 1sec will trade ya
lobbes: may I also take you up on your chetty stick offer? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749645
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: discount ? im outta coins
lobbes: awesome
lobbes: sure thing
mircea_popescu: ty
lobbes: thank you, sir
trinque: ftr there's no amount of in-bot txn that'll bother me. can accumulate there and have me fire a withdrawal when you're not worried about a fee wiping out the sum.
trinque: really, coffee money is a correct application of the thing.
diana_coman: lobbes, Fox is guarding some claims basically; can you make it to -69 42 -24 in ~15 min and ping me?
diana_coman: otherwise I can just use deedbot if you prefer, not a problem
lobbes: diana_coman, I'll try and make my way to you. I'll ping once there
diana_coman: ok
lobbes: diana_coman, k I am next to you. Came to a mere 7660 ecu altogether
diana_coman: tiny,huh
lobbes: ty!
diana_coman: thank you!
lobbes: trinque, ah nice to know! and well-thought-out design as always
mircea_popescu: trinque i figured as much, but hey, let the man make his own call.
lobbes: hey Birdman, you have a deedbot balance? If so I can make an invoice for your q3 bill (neither of us are on with much frequency so might be easier logistically)
Birdman: i think i can get some sent to you on deedbot lobbes
Birdman: how much do i owe ya
lobbes: Birdman: ty. I have created an invoice in deedbot for ya: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763632
lobbesbot: Post from dianacoman: EuCrypt Chapter 4: Random Prime Number Generator <http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/>
ReadErr: greetings
ReadErr: new player looking to register with mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ReadErr one sec.
ReadErr: sure np
ReadErr: burning time @ work anyways ;)
mircea_popescu: ReadErr http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vbQgr/?raw=true
ReadErr: thanks, still reading things over not got to login part yet
mircea_popescu: lol mkay
ReadErr: alright think its downloading at the login screen now
ReadErr: is the email the one associated with the public key?
ReadErr: well I thought it was anyways, it seems to be changing randomly now though
ReadErr: oh the paste, forgot
danielpbarron: no email, use the username encrypted to your key
ReadErr: got it
ReadErr: need to figure out how to let it go fullscreen
ReadErr: guess avoid using the launcher ?
danielpbarron: alt enter
danielpbarron: feel free to hack the client tho
danielpbarron: you can do everything we can do, but if you wanna level up you'll need to buy skills from other players
danielpbarron: or i guess you can technically get skill items without us, but it's not very likely
danielpbarron: what's your character name btw?
ReadErr: it assigned me one name Eva
danielpbarron: are you a girl?
danielpbarron: hehe
ReadErr: Eva Justicegorge
danielpbarron: hahahahah
ReadErr: I guess so lol, didnt see a button to make one
danielpbarron: yeah you don't get to choose anymore
danielpbarron: in the long run it doesn't matter, you can eventually make offspring
ReadErr: hmm alt-enter isnt doing it
danielpbarron shrugs
ReadErr: lemme try on linux
mircea_popescu: these names are fucking epic
mircea_popescu: anyway, no idea why he can't just level up like anyone else.
ReadErr: used to grinding
mircea_popescu: ReadErr the idea is to bot it anyway
mircea_popescu fucks with the character maybe an hour a week's worth.
ReadErr: what do the bots do? farm materials?
mircea_popescu: anything you want, really.
ReadErr: are things generated synthetically ?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
ReadErr: I mean in terms of materials and items
mircea_popescu: yes but ?
ReadErr: or are they all predetermined, created and input into the game by a person
mircea_popescu: ah ; the latter is the case currently, but temporary. game is moving towards a former system, prolly this year.
ReadErr: is this more of an MMO or instance style?
mircea_popescu: no fighting implemented currently ; but when it will be, it'll work like old style tbs
ReadErr: well I mean in the sense that, do others ingame share the same 'world'
mircea_popescu: yes.
ReadErr: like could I see danielpbarron
ReadErr: gotcha
mircea_popescu: only 1 world, no shards no bs
ReadErr: was thinking the old diablo style vs mmo
mircea_popescu: aha. mmo all teh way.
ReadErr: going to take some work to get the mouse feel right for me, always was a stickler for 'feel'
diana_coman: ReadErr, fwiw Eulora's cli helps usually a whole lot more than the mouse
ReadErr: not got to explore that but it's more native for me
ReadErr: is there a guide on it?
diana_coman: http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora + the client's help could be a starter (and you can define your own shortcuts anyway)
diana_coman: bot anyway had nothing to do with any mouse
diana_coman: native is no guarantee of usefulness
diana_coman: but everyone is certainly welcome to play as they wish
diana_coman: good grief, ~300k for training 1 level in tinkering nowadays
diana_coman: come to think about it, yay for the ECu float!
danielpbarron: top rank tinkerer problems
diana_coman: ahaha, yes danielpbarron
danielpbarron: i ranked up mcguyver recently and my bezzle items paid for it :D
diana_coman: nice
ReadErr: hmm so building from source, am I correct in thinking that cs-forupload needs to be built first?
ReadErr: instead of cal3d
ReadErr: anyways cal3d was requiring a cssysdef.h which wasnt satisfied without installing nvidia-cs
shinohai: ReadErr: what OS were you using again?
danielpbarron: you want cal3d first i think
ReadErr: linux
shinohai: (Same build anyway cal3d is indeed first)
danielpbarron: ReadErr, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VJoSX/?raw=true
ReadErr: oh bit different, are the directory names/structure hardcoded ?
ReadErr: that doc has it renaming to cs
danielpbarron: i don't think so
shinohai: nah I've always renamed cs-forupload as cs
danielpbarron: just a naming convention i picked up years ago
ReadErr: ohh i see, the steps after are just renamed too
ReadErr: whats the % at the login screen
danielpbarron: ping
ReadErr: ah so the % is quality ?
ReadErr: hmmm if its doable over CLI
ReadErr: an irc bot interface could be fun
danielpbarron: yes i think many people would very much like to have that
ReadErr: how text heavy is the cli?
danielpbarron: no idea
ReadErr: I have code to distribute across n bots
ReadErr: to avoid flood thresholds
danielpbarron: i don't know i'd want to give my login info to someone else so i'm not sure how that would work
lobbesbot: Post from eulora: MiniGame (S.MG), December 2017 Statement <http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-december-2017-statement/>
mircea_popescu: ReadErr very much fun, and if you read the logs (see topic), it's often also $$$productive.
mircea_popescu: also there's not going to be a flood threshold in that sense. minigame is very much botter friendly. heck, current CTO started life as player-who-made-a-bot
ReadErr: looking over the cmd___ files, is there a native interface for hooking in to it? fifo or tcp? may have not gotten to that point yet
ReadErr: never used jam before, but ./configure seems to finish fine without any errors, no Jamfile gets made though so it fails on 'jam'
shinohai: ReadErr: Dunno if you are a lisper (or if this even still works) but there is http://explo.yt/post/2016/02/29/Embedded-Common-Lisp-for-Eulora
ReadErr: im not, i noticed the foxy directory though and had a look
ReadErr: I gotta be missing some dependency, or maybe have a difference file, but theres no AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP in configure.in
ReadErr: and its failing on unittest pkg check, i did install libunittest++-dev
shinohai: ReadErr: do `sed -i 's/AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP/#\ AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP/' configure.in`
shinohai: then recompile, will work
ReadErr: ./configure: line 3604: syntax error near unexpected token `UNITTESTCPP,'
ReadErr: ./configure: line 3604: ` PKG_CHECK_MODULES(UNITTESTCPP, unittest++ >= 0.1, unittest_enabled="yes", unittest_enabled="no" )'
ReadErr: actually let me blow this directory away and start over, maybe i did something by mistake
shinohai: Weirdness, is this an Ubuntu or a proper linux?
ReadErr: debian
shinohai: oh kk, I used to be pretty stuck on Debian - I did encounter weird errors from time to time.
shinohai: For some reason (this was a few yrs back, even!) I had to manually remove the line AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP from the configure.in
ReadErr: http://rip.run/gwj
ReadErr: im comfortable with debian normally, just strange here
ReadErr: thats a fresh untar with just your sed command run
ReadErr: the ` and '
ReadErr: are kind of odd..
shinohai: Can you do a double-check for me and see if sed indeed commented out that line?
ReadErr: i couldnt find that string at all in configure.in
ReadErr: $ grep AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP configure.in
ReadErr: $
shinohai: Hmmmmm .......
ReadErr: http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/cal3d.tar.gz
ReadErr: using that version
shinohai: Oh wait .... this is Debian, so ..... what is your gcc version?
ReadErr: 7.2.0
ReadErr: hmm that seems to high
shinohai: Indeed .... Last I could build this on was 4.9.3 without a ton of issues. Others results may vary.
ReadErr: oh wow, no thats right apparently
ReadErr: news to me, didnt know gcc was up in the 7s
shinohai: They bolt on more useless shit every year, breaks all the stuff you could build with previous version.
shinohai: I'd like to napalm them all.
ReadErr: lol yea, it was LTO for me last upgrade
ReadErr: did a hail marry and ran 'apt-get install -y make build-essential libssl-dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev libreadline-dev libsqlite3-dev wget curl llvm libncurses5-dev libncursesw5-dev xz-utils tk-dev'
ReadErr: and something there satisfied unittest (build-essential was already installed)
shinohai: madness lol
shinohai: Do remember you can always use "update-alternatives" to build with a lower version gcc anytime on Deb/Ubuntu
ReadErr: knock one down another pops up, i may just try ubuntu
ReadErr: 16.04lts workable?
shinohai: Should be, last I tested it worked.
mircea_popescu: ReadErr http://logs.minigame.bz/search/?q=AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP >> log also has a search function
mircea_popescu: ReadErr 10.04 last anyone seriously tested ; but try and see.
diana_coman: I'd be surprised if everything worked with cpp 7 whatever
ReadErr: im updating a 16.04 to try now
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i'd be curious to see specifically if not and what exactly. but yeah.
mircea_popescu: ReadErr fwiw republic is pretty much set on gcc 4.x as final gcc.
diana_coman: huh, why not just downgrade cpp ReadErr ?
ReadErr: +1
ReadErr: 4 is the last I remember
ReadErr: then somehow they are on 7
mircea_popescu: wreckers.
diana_coman: quantitative easing!!11
ReadErr: diana_coman: didnt want to break anything else (not that it would 100% but..)
shinohai: as I said previously, update-alternatives lets you use older gcc without breakage.
diana_coman: it's after all another sort of printolade to borrow alf's term anyway
ReadErr: shinohai: yea ive used that for python, I use that machine for other stuff so dont want to tamper with it too much
mircea_popescu: diana_coman quite ; delivers the http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811 neet hope, after a fashion.
mircea_popescu: ReadErr if all else fails, danielpbarron cooked together a known-to-work machine, which he sells but i think he published the recipe too.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, gah, that stood out so horribly that I even recollect it
ReadErr: which distribution is dev work done off of?
diana_coman: ReadErr, client is for players to hack /write/chop as they wish so no fixed thing there, can't be
mircea_popescu: ReadErr it's not done lol, client is community maintained. we're currently working on a proper api for the server.
mircea_popescu: hence all the eucrypt stuff.
mircea_popescu: i suppose that made no sense as such, let's try again :
mircea_popescu: eulora is a game published by minigame, which is a game publisher listed on mpex (which is the bitcoin stock exchange) ; eulora constits of a server, which is closed, and a client, which is open. minigame has mostly been dedicated to fixing the server first ; client work is very much open in the sense of -- everyone is welcome to run with their own client ; there's been some push to get a text-only client going, etc. the idea
mircea_popescu: is to get the server in enough of a shape to have a proper api for it so the foregoing can proceed in earnest, which is what minigame's doing atm.
ReadErr: saw the lisp project but, is there a better way to interact with the CLI (fifo buffer or tcp)?
shinohai: I was recalling about a year ago or so was it, trying to help thestringpuller with the gcc thing ... 'twas worse than hand-holding a noob.
shinohai: ReadErr: I'm all ears if you want to experiment with CLI interactions, I was poking at it for a while but irl got in the way last year.
ReadErr: shinohai: i would like to go ircbot route
shinohai: Me too tbh
mircea_popescu: that'd be hella cool ftr.
mircea_popescu: im giving yall unique items if you manage to pull it off.
mircea_popescu: exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766048 but for eulora, have a bot bridge you can !!bot craft 9999 5000 m 99999999 into and which goes "craft finished" or w.e
mircea_popescu: would rock.
ReadErr: fingers cross, 16.04 seems to be building fine
mircea_popescu: win. put a word on wiki so we know in the future plox.
ReadErr: ill try and get a package list too w/ versions
mircea_popescu: perfect
Birdman2: huh, my guy isnt facing forward
diana_coman: anyone wants IO 106q at 1.6?
Birdman: my guy is fully zoomd in and pivots instead of turns, relogged a few times and the problem persist, and unstick didnt work
diana_coman: Birdman, check your controls by the sound of it
diana_coman: you probably set up some camera mode or something
Birdman: ah ty!
esthlos: hello all, trying to go through the initiation ritual of installing eulora. autoconf version 2.69 fails on Cal3d (platform is Fedora). please see http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jhqe7/?raw=true
esthlos: also, I cannot find the line 'AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP' in configure.in . perhaps my guide/download is out of sync? I'm following www.eulorum.org/Fedora_Core
mircea_popescu: esthlos like i said yest, <mircea_popescu> ReadErr http://logs.minigame.bz/search/?q=AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP >> log also has a search function
ReadErr: mircea_popescu: im doing the guide now
ReadErr: i ended up using a clean install so its start to finish
mircea_popescu: ha! cool.
mircea_popescu: was thuis 16.04 ubuntu ?
ReadErr: yea
ReadErr: LTS so it should be around for a while
esthlos: mircea_popescu: thanks.
mircea_popescu: mah pleasure.
diana_coman: esthlos, check your gcc version to start with; ReadErr had similar problem yesterday
ReadErr: yea
ReadErr: on gcc7
esthlos: ah okay, I'll get 4.9
esthlos: too bad about the vm graphics thing
mircea_popescu: which ?
esthlos: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-09-02.log.html#t21:14:42
lobbesbot: Logged on 2016-09-02 21:14:42: <mircea_popescu> yes it's bad. this is the known achiles heel of virtual machines : they fuck up gfx
diana_coman: iirc someone did get it running on a virtual machine; complained it was slow and then we discovered they were running on a virtual machine
esthlos: obvi delopying eulora in a vm was my first thought, but ofc you all thought of that
mircea_popescu: esthlos it will eventually work ; i would not recommend sinking time in making the current client work.
diana_coman: ^^^
diana_coman: gah, did one cons-click with noob with those huge q bps and resulting bps fine but ...need moar of them
diana_coman: kind of insane though to not lower first q of the conses themselves
mircea_popescu: hm
diana_coman: hello Ente_
Ente_: Hello
diana_coman: what brings you here?
Ente_: well I'm new and want to register to eulora
diana_coman: did you register a key with deedbot?
Ente_: yes
diana_coman: cool, ask mircea_popescu for an account then
Ente_: Ok thanks
mircea_popescu: 1sec
mircea_popescu: Ente_ http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KHzZG/?raw=true
Ente_: Thank you
mircea_popescu: my pleasure.
esthlos: hi mircea_popescu, can I please get a eulora acct?
mircea_popescu: yeh
mircea_popescu: esthlos http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Sjzei/?raw=true
esthlos: works, thanks
esthlos: georgia horridrun
mircea_popescu: o.O
diana_coman: hi esthlos , ping me if your horridrun wants to be foxy's apprentice
esthlos: sure, i'll be on around T20:00+00
esthlos: err T22:00+00
diana_coman: what's T22?
diana_coman: esthlos I guess the eulora cat on my blog is a starter to get some idea in any case: http://www.dianacoman.com/category/eulora/
shinohai: Sounds like he means 10 pm
shinohai: good morning Eulora
diana_coman: morning shinohai
shinohai: brb reiniciando mah gentoo
esthlos: just using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 for precision, so it's 22:00 hours with zero offset from UTC
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diana_coman: shinohai, what q were you building basics at?
shinohai: q84
diana_coman: hm, might work; q is whether you still get sb, hm
shinohai: Well thats my building lvl
diana_coman: right; q will depend on bundle+enum anyway, hm
diana_coman: what's gathering at?
diana_coman: and sortage if you have it
shinohai: q74
shinohai: Tinkering q32 ... I leveled up as high as I could go before the change
diana_coman: yeah, tinkering not doing much for this; hm, not sure about sb; actually why don't you set up on getting flotsam ?
shinohai: You guys need flotsam harvesters?
danielpbarron: shiny rock
shinohai: Think I used both of those up making slag last time
danielpbarron: ya but i got plenty of flotsam
shinohai: Looks like I have very little shiny rock - 4 q380 and 25 q1600
diana_coman: so go for shiny rock then, even easier because it is lighter, no?
diana_coman: I've been using tons of both flotsam and sr, not as if there's any chance of having too much of those by the looks of things
shinohai: The new grass!
diana_coman: lol, quite
knubie: how many active players on this game?
diana_coman: last time this was asked: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-16.log.html#t19:39:44
lobbesbot: Logged on 2016-05-16 19:39:44: <Wise> How many players are there registerd/active? Eulorum has been active since 2013, right?
diana_coman: prolly a better question would be how much money do players in this game move around, but hey
shinohai: The meta-game is just as much fun as actual game
knubie: heh, still trying to read more up on it prior to starting..
diana_coman: take your time, it ain't going anywhere; reading is good, comprehension even better
diana_coman: at the extreme end, we already have a player who optimised his character for a year prior to any playing and then quit because he didn't like his character's name
diana_coman: plenty of games to choose from, even!
diana_coman now wonders if it wasn't even more than a year, can't be bothered to check though
shinohai: I'd laugh if that btcvixen character came over to play and got a male avatar. TRIGGERED!!!
diana_coman: lol shinohai
knubie: lmao...
knubie: shinohai, were you not the one that got her on board? lmao
diana_coman: gaaaah, mcguyver suddenly dropped to 6 items from 7
knubie: her/him/it whichever is the correct term..
shinohai: Yes, I initially sent invite, I'm guilty of gender assumption. When one sees "vixen" you think "female"
shinohai: Had no idea we had mental retardation on our hands.
knubie: lollll
danielpbarron: seems as though all new chars are fem lately
diana_coman: or at least called Lushdrizzle or what was it
knubie: heh, would have been an investment starting to play this game from early days...
diana_coman: now that is called hindsight!
diana_coman: there will be even later days though
danielpbarron: hey i tried to get anyone who would listen to play
danielpbarron: and only Birdman listened
mircea_popescu: the sooner the better is the rule of bitcoin
danielpbarron: on related note, childhood friend who owns computer company, who i've been telling for years to get bitcoin, finally texts me the other day asking where to get a wallet
diana_coman: so basically he knew at least who to text for that
danielpbarron: yeah but i'm a little worried he's gone the web wallet route, as he hasn't responded with any questions to my offer of trb and deedbot
knubie: should give him the good old "told you so"
danielpbarron: i don't even have to say told you so
danielpbarron: people get weird
knubie: lol that's even worst, when they know they focked up.
lobbes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2018-01-09.log.html#t21:56:45 << I can attest to this! I've accumulated well over ~0.05 BTC worth of Ecu/items/BTC strictly playing the "meta-game".
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-01-09 21:56:45: <shinohai> The meta-game is just as much fun as actual game
lobbes: <danielpbarron> on related note, childhood friend who owns computer company, who i've been telling for years to get bitcoin, finally texts me the other day asking where to get a wallet << I had a friend tell me a few weeks ago "you oughta sell now before bubble pops!", to which I replied, "that's what you said when it was selling for $1k!"
danielpbarron: yeah i get that every time
knubie: you do tend to get a lot of seedy puppies when BTC is in the picture
danielpbarron: speaking of which, someone else i know recently wanted me to broker a deal for 2 bitcoin at 8k/per when the price was 16k
danielpbarron: i flat out refused
knubie: would be hard to find such deals, with 50% discount..
danielpbarron: he kept insisting and i was eventualy like.. let me meet this guy at a public place, and he's gotta send first. haven't heard back
knubie: correct me if im wrong, but most of you seem to be early early adopters of btc
danielpbarron: the kind that didn't sell
knubie: nice, grats for not selling out, like most..
lobbes: I wasn't that early. Bought my first whole BTC back in 2014 when it was a mere $20. Slowly accumulated more and more fractions after price jump
lobbes: But yeah. Store of value all the way
danielpbarron: i once got 5 btc for a 35 USD donation to the ron paul campaign
knubie: lobbes, that's still pretty early
lobbes: There's the whole "hey, this is just like crapple stock! a.k.a They expect to buy x BTC at t.1 time, sell for x*n USD at t.2 time" mentality. Most don't get that I intend to live and eventually -die- grasping tightly to whatever BTC I own
danielpbarron: and i did a couple paypals with BCB in otc sub 100
knubie: danielpbarron: lol
knubie: BTC just needs to fix its fees...
knubie: and it's perfect
danielpbarron: yeah, they need to be higher!
danielpbarron: bitcoin is far from perfect, and the fees are the least of its problems
knubie: danielpbarron, did you expect it to come this far ??
danielpbarron: yes
diana_coman: I'm making some barrels of bettle brew, let me know if anyone needs that
diana_coman: beetle!
danielpbarron: i expect it to keep going another 5 years prolly
danielpbarron: and when it is replaced, it will be replaced by the republic, and bitcoin will be the thing to trade for the replacement
danielpbarron: i think it could keep on going another 50 years as it is written, if i had to guess
knubie: <<<< not very tech savy, but do understand the concept
danielpbarron: so far all the alternatives do nothing to address the problems that might prevent bitcoin from lasting centuries
Birdman: wish i'd have listened better
shinohai: knubie: I do 1-on-1 support for Eulora, and will even help you get started with therealbitcoin if you get the desire to.
knubie: shinohai: cheers, will need some sort of help/guide.. it's still downloading atm.. =)
shinohai: Ah danielpbarron .... I will add you as an OP to jhvh .... I forgot it the up and down thing is contingent on that.
knubie: shinohai: 5. Navigate to dev/cal3d. Edit configure.in to comment out (add # at the beginning of line) "AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP". Run: << is that still the correct steps?
knubie: that line does not exist in that file..
shinohai: knubie: ignore it ..... what are you installing this on?
knubie: Mint
shinohai: You should be good to go .... lemme know if compilation fails.
knubie: so just follow the rest of the steps?
shinohai: yup
shinohai: That seems to be a recurring theme lately, I'll try to get on wiki tomorrow and fix.
diana_coman: knubie, check your gcc version too as it will NOT work with latest
diana_coman: you need 4.x , not newer
knubie: gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.5)
diana_coman: well, try it and report on wiki if it works
knubie: aclocal: warning: autoconf input should be named 'configure.ac', not 'configure.in'
knubie: configure.in:41: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DISABLE_STATIC
knubie: If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
knubie: See the Autoconf documentation.
knubie: configure.in:43: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL
knubie: configure.in:44: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
knubie: autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
diana_coman: so no, go back to 4.x
knubie: same and downgraded to 4.9
knubie: think to make life easier, maybe just install on my other laptop runnings windows?
knubie: does it run better on windows?
diana_coman: you can install the binaries, yes
diana_coman: you probably failed to downgrade all toolchain as it were
danielpbarron: shinohai, ping
shinohai: >.>
esthlos: knubie: I just went through an install, feel free to ask for basic help
shinohai: knubie: how did you downgrade, did you use update-alternatives?
knubie: nop =(
shinohai: If you just replaced your gcc, congrats you borked it all
danielpbarron: i mean ping look in game ping
shinohai: kk danielpbarron
knubie: lol did i?
danielpbarron: ready when you are
knubie: heh, think im gonna head off to bed, but we sort it out tomorrow..
knubie: thanks peeps, and good night!!
shinohai: nite
Birdman: danielpbarron your last two ords are ready
Birdman: thinking i should just burn all my sticks into bb, only farming i have bundles for in bulk
danielpbarron: yeah this whole gathering for others thing doesn't make much sense for as long as claims go away so easy
Birdman: unless someone would want to buy ords of something for like 5 stick uses each, which i think is break even in sticks for me + all small claims et al
Birdman: danielpbarron you should come get these so i can leave this spot
Birdman: otherwise they will disappear
danielpbarron: ugh
shinohai: danielpbarron: are you crafting? I can go pick it up
danielpbarron: no i need to build them right away or they'll go away
danielpbarron: almost there
shinohai: kk
danielpbarron: Birdman, i'm here
danielpbarron: and interestingly, my client glitched and i'm showing up as a woman, which isn't new.
danielpbarron: but. my macros don't work
danielpbarron: when i chat, it says Daniel, but my key settings and/or macros are the client defaults
Birdman: strange
Birdman: in the middle of a stick right now
Birdman: you're a guy on my screen
danielpbarron: yeah it's a glitch on my end
danielpbarron: !Qhelp
lobbesbot: danielpbarron: http://lobbesblog.com/lobbesbotcommands
danielpbarron: ReadErr, ^
Birdman: danielpbarron few seconds now
Birdman: build those now cause they'll despawn soon after i leave
danielpbarron: yeah i am
danielpbarron: 2 at a time seems to work
danielpbarron: it's the 3rd that goes away
Birdman: how high are people getting on the qualities for supplications?
Birdman: i have some that are q1.5k
danielpbarron: i haven't clicked one since the float
danielpbarron: no idea
Covale`: Hey. Noob question here - does this game run on Win 10 ? :P
diana_coman: Covale`, try it, there are binaries for windows
shinohai: I forgot to mention earlier I *did* get Eulora running in Windows Subsystem for Linux on Win10 once.
Covale`: Cool. it works. So now for an account apparently I have to ask Mircea ?
shinohai: Yup he will be able to make you an account when he is back online
Covale`: alright, no rush. just got the Windows version to see if it works. So far the log-in screen´s all good :)
Birdman: ah these q2500 bundles get >1 rank of farming for me
Birdman: lobbes just paid now, didnt think to !!v after requests from deedbot. duh, my bad
knubie: heh, knew a channel was missing on my list lol
shinohai: Get a bouncer or set up ZNC knubie ... all your channels get saved.
knubie: been thinking about it actually, know any decent providers?
lobbes: ty Birdman! payment receipt has been deeded >> http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-1-10#281573
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-01-10 23:39 lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/Birdman_payment_receipt.txt
lobbes: knubie, if you're just looking for a cheap hosting provider to slap a bouncer on try lowendbox for VPS dealz
lobbes: I snagged both of mine from there. $5 / month each. EDIS and Frantech (though Frantech wasn't offering new hosting last I checked)
danielpbarron: if anyone wants free coppers speak quickly before i start this craft
shinohai: If no one else lemme join real quick danielpbarron
danielpbarron: kk
danielpbarron: cheers
shinohai: Sweet, thanks again!
Birdman2: lobbes any thoughts on making an order bot alongside the auction bot
diana_coman: Birdman2, what's an order bot?
lobbesbot: Post from dianacoman: EuCrypt Chapter 5: C = M ^ e mod n <http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/11/eucrypt-chapter-5-c-m-e-mod-n/>
Birdman2: ah nevermind i forgot people have shops, which would be the place to post orders
Birdman2: stupid stupid
diana_coman: well, in chan for sure
mircea_popescu: Birdman2 if you wanna do something useful how about you implement that ancient spec of eulora bot shop ?
Birdman2: no idea what you're talking about
Covale`: Hi, so how can I gen account on this ?
Covale`: * get an ..
Birdman2: You need to register a key with deedbot and then ask mircea_popescu for an account
Birdman2: Covale` http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora
mircea_popescu: a hey. one second!
mircea_popescu: Covale` you're not registered with deedbot ?
Covale`: uhm... no, I tried to register my PGP key earlier, but didn´t go through
Covale`: I supposed I need to be voiced on #trilema to do it ?
mircea_popescu: Covale` http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JFmQH/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: Covale` no, can do in pm with deedbot also.
Covale`: oh, cool. so now I have to decrypt that paste and msg deedbot the solution, right ?
shinohai: yup
danielpbarron: all these new players bringing down our outputs :<
shinohai: D:
Covale`: why am I Isabel Menacefield lol ?
danielpbarron: congrats! it's a girl!
Birdman2: random name/gender? damn, should've made a cooler name
Birdman: as you say it brings our input down i get like 6k q112 bb from a small
knubie: really goto get onto that znc, btw thanks shinohai for the link :P
shinohai: No problem, cheers!
knubie: shinohai, how did you say i should be down grading?
shinohai: Using update-alternatives, you need a link to a walkthrough?
knubie: yerp, thanks..
shinohai: https://codeyarns.com/2015/02/26/how-to-switch-gcc-version-using-update-alternatives/
Covale`: n00b question here - I see a timer / clock in there. And some bars like Health. Are these gradually decreasing ? Do I need to login at regular intervals ?
knubie: shinohai, same error.. :/
shinohai: knubie .... even after the switch?
knubie: yeah
shinohai: Show me output of gcc --version please
shinohai: Paste to wotpaste
knubie: gcc (Ubuntu 4.8.5-4ubuntu2) 4.8.5
knubie: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gp9VR/?raw=true
diana_coman: Covale`, what do you call a timer?
knubie: shinohai: and this is the errors http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5We2e/?raw=true
shinohai: mkay lemme look at logs, this happened to someone on Ubuntu the other day
diana_coman: atm you can even kill yourself and your character will just come back to life in a few minutes
diana_coman: no requirement re how often one logs in but tbh I don't remember when was last time I logged...out, hm
knubie: diana_coman: that addictive?
Covale`: diana_coman the actual clock-time in the game. 1PM right now ?
diana_coman: knubie, more like that's what makes sense, i.e. to let it run and do the work
diana_coman: Covale`, ah, there is a game-time,yes; nobody noticed so far at least any effect of it other than dark during the night /light during the day
Covale`: ah, alright. thanks !
diana_coman: np
shinohai: knubie: PM
knubie: yeah, i was just checking
shinohai: Anyone here ever had this weird error? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DjjTA/?raw=true
diana_coman: shinohai, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-12-28.log.html#t17:47:41
lobbesbot: Logged on 2016-12-28 17:47:41: <Framedragger> while compiling cs, "/usr/bin/ld: ./out/linux/optimize/plugins/engine/3d/engine.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `_ZThn24_N11csImageBase7SetNameEPKc' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC" blergh
shinohai: bah kk
shinohai: God I fucking hate Debian based things now. "Let's spend 5 hours fixing obscure errors that occur NOWHERE ELSE!"
mircea_popescu: heh
knubie: lol
knubie hides!
knubie: shinohai, finally got it all back to original, now ill fix it up, what was the actual version you wanted? so i dont use the 4.8
shinohai: I'm using 4.9.4 without issue
knubie: ty
knubie: shinohai, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/g7l4D/?raw=true
knubie: that look healthier?
shinohai: Much better!
knubie: seems to be running smoother now on make :P
shinohai: Heh, this was likely culprit all along
knubie: yeah
knubie: :P
knubie: it was using gcc4.8 but g++5
knubie: im on ftjam atm
knubie: see what happens
shinohai: Good luck, ping me if you need further help.
knubie: shinohai, error on ./configure --with-cal3d=$HOME/dev/cal3d
knubie: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yKllN/?raw=true
knubie: we had it before didint we?
shinohai: lemme check
shinohai: Yeah, did your step 6 complete without failure?
knubie: yerp
knubie: ignore this one?
knubie: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ftFnn/?raw=true
knubie: that's step 6
Covale`: hey
Covale`: so apparently Foxybots are already part of the install package ? stumbled upon this: http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/08/04/craft-table-tourism-with-foxybot-1-4/
Covale`: tried the command and it works I see
diana_coman: yes, foxybot is now included in the official distribution
shinohai: The new weight restrictions kinda limit that foxybot thing though, don't they diana_coman ?
Covale`: that´s cool, thank ! So while testing it I made a whole bunch of exploration markers right in town, not sure if those appear for you guys, not a pretty sight :P
Covale`: should dissappear after a while though, as far as I understand ?
diana_coman: they will vanish in time
diana_coman: yes, but it's also not difficult to go dig a bit further away from town
Covale`: diana_coman, sure thing, it just so happened I walked there to see if I could click the table. Then as I was reading about the bots I found the commands and just typed it to see if it works
Covale`: Initially I thought I´d need to re-compile the whole thing so it´s a nice noob surprise that I don´t have to do that :)
diana_coman: depends on what you want to have
diana_coman: first figure out what you've got so far though, sure
Covale`: well so far I´m pretty happy I don´t have to manually type /explore everytime I walk to a spot
diana_coman: that you don't have to do anyway; you can set key shortcut for any command
diana_coman: search the #eulora logs for it, I'm sure I walked at least one noob through this
Covale`: will do, logs are pretty interesting indeed
mircea_popescu: Covale` yeah the idea is to not fill up the town with markers.
Covale`: sorry about that...
mircea_popescu: aite.
Covale`: they should disappear in 1hr though ?
mircea_popescu: depends on size but yes they go away, not the end of the world
mircea_popescu: just dun make more, is all.
Covale`: sure thing
knubie: shinohai: I think its going to work this time... upto ftjam -aq client atm :P
shinohai: Awesome knubie .... I'll be around if you get stuck.
knubie: wooohooooo
knubie: shinohai: working :P
knubie: mircea_popescu: new account needed?
shinohai: Nice! My hours of hand-holdong were not wasted this time.
shinohai: *holding
knubie: lol, thank you :P was such a simple error
knubie: im puzzled, we did not notice it earlier
shinohai: Well, I only have the information to go on given by operator. Had one fellow last year who came off and on for almost 6 months and never got it going, despite trying 1001 different flavors of linux.
mircea_popescu: knubie a sec
knubie: mircea_popescu: nps
mircea_popescu: knubie http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xlC5o/?raw=true
knubie: mircea_popescu: thank you
mircea_popescu: my pleasure.
knubie: heh, now it's a mission to work out what to do..
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: see teh wiki
knubie: ty =)
knubie: anyone have any quests or tasks they need to be done?
Birdman: knubie you may want to buy some skillbooks to start if you havent already
knubie: if i knew how :P
shinohai: knubie: danielpbarron or diana_coman might have some available, not sure.
Birdman: i could also probably make you one i have a few blueprints, ill check on my next trip to town
Birdman: danielpbarron probably still has a ton of mysterious rocks too
Birdman: they're around
Birdman: anyone have any high q dg for sale or bbb
mircea_popescu: Birdman i think i might have some beans, ill look next it crashes.
shinohai: Birdman: What do these mysterious rocks do?
Birdman: mircea_popescu beetle brews is what im after
Birdman: shinohai iirc gives you the building skill
shinohai: ah kk
shinohai: Never seen/used one
Birdman: there used to be a bunch of em on the ground all over the islan
shinohai: O.o
mircea_popescu: Birdman oh i might have some, ill look
Birdman: thanks
danielpbarron: yes i have mysterious rocks; is it time to auction one and actually have a bunch of n00bs bid on it?
diana_coman: I have some books but I don't see who is buying any skills atm
diana_coman: a skill book starts at 100k, ftr
diana_coman: hm, there's a clash on bbb vs bb? aka beetle brew vs better bitterbean?
diana_coman: lobbes, are those really brews there? http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/view.php?ItemSHC=bbb
diana_coman: I kind of doubt they were, more likely they were beans, so 197 bv
diana_coman: I just finished making some beetle brews, q197; anyone wants some?
mircea_popescu: check it out, my client didn't crash often enough so i missed a sale!!1
diana_coman: lol!
diana_coman: but no sale afaik anyway
mircea_popescu: aww
lobbes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2018-01-14.log.html#t08:33:59 << aha ty for spotting that! Yeah 498 brews selling at a 90% markdown with only 2 bids seems unlikely.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-01-14 08:33:59: <diana_coman> I kind of doubt they were, more likely they were beans, so 197 bv
lobbes: I saw the 'bbb' in the auction description and just blindly entered that as that auction's 'item code'. I'll change it to 'bb' in the db and then all the other calcs should automatically re-adjust. one sec..
lobbes: alrighty, has been updated >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/view.php?ItemSHC=bb&TimeLookback=&Quality=&QualityWidth=&SortBy=
Covale`: For the record - I got some ¨Tiny Bird´s Nest Bundle¨ and it doesn´t appear to have an icon / graphics. Just the text description.
diana_coman: Covale`, yeah, there are a few like that
Birdman: omfg so many ords
Birdman: latest is 4 in a row or something
Birdman: with how quickly claims disappear you're very likely to end up wasting alot of xp. I get 9/10ths of a building level from one of my ords and bundles but if i find one towards the end of my rank i can either try to rank asap then build the ord and risk it disappearing or build it as i find it and waste most of the xp
Birdman: had 3 disappear on me yesterday in like 2 hours locked and unbuilt
danielpbarron: on a related note, one of nolan's small claims lasted several days unlocked and unbuilt, with him logged out even
Birdman: I've disconnected overnight and had them stay around, but as soon as i go to town they all disappear
shinohai: anyone want some phree q1 sb? otherwise im just gonna drop it on the ground, I don't think I feel like dragging this back manually to town.
shinohai: Exploring is decidedly not fun anymore.
Covale`: hey, im in the game atm
shinohai: Covale`: I'm @ -244.010 42.690 -206.190
shinohai: Bring a table and drag this back and it's yours, I've had enough today
Covale`: 71 .. 53, heading your way
shinohai: kk
Covale`: but no table for me, so I probably won´t have much use for your stuff
Covale`: what weight is it ?
shinohai: well then really no use coming, you will need a table to drag it back, hence why I'm dumping it
Covale`: alright then
shinohai: Because I don't want to spend the next 2 hours clicking this manually back to town to store it
Covale`: haha, yeah, I know that :)
Covale`: got a bunch of... stuff, stored in the bots
shinohai: You can buy a table from Electron if you have some coppers
Covale`: I should check it out then. Did some trades there, but I didn´t notice a table to buy. Or does it show only if enough copper available to spend ?
shinohai: nah, there *should* be a Craft Table there ... was a few days ago, I bought some coarse frangible threads and saw it listed.
Covale`: lemme go back and check it again. I know there was a crafting table next to the bot, but I don´t supposed that´d be pick-up-able
Covale`: btw, to send an in-game message I´d have to go to Whisper and /tell character_name, right ?
shinohai: Nah that one there is like a permanent fixture lol
Covale`: I was just near you earlier. In fact I still see you :)
danielpbarron: Covale`, you /tell lastname
danielpbarron: shinohai, how much sb are we talking about here?
danielpbarron: doesn't take much to be overweight
Covale`: ah, so just the last name, thanks !
danielpbarron: you think dragging heavy stuff is bad? i just spent an hour mixing qualities
shinohai: danielpbarron: There are 2`029 q1
danielpbarron: nolan_bugg, go pick up those branches if you're still around
Covale`: since you are both online, training no longer applies in the way I read in one of Diana´s blog posts ?
danielpbarron: i don't think training changed
Covale`: I mean I don´t see any skill bars anywhere which I could click or anything
danielpbarron: the NPC that trains changed location
danielpbarron: do you have any skills?
Covale`: No, that´s why I ask. I must´ve misunderstood something when I first read.
danielpbarron: it's always been the case that you start with no skills, and you have to find or buy them
danielpbarron: i don't mean to make it sound like you have a good chance of finding them, but they used to appear abundantly
Covale`: As far as I remember, the blog post said that after some exploring you cuould go and train at the NPC, in exchange for some money. But I suppose I need to buya skill book first ? Not just grind-explore ?
danielpbarron: yeah that post is still true, but you need the skill first
danielpbarron: once you have the skill you can rank it up as far as you can
diana_coman: http://logs.minigame.bz/2018-01-17.log.html#t20:01:00 -> you can drag stuff without table too
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:01:00: <shinohai> well then really no use coming, you will need a table to drag it back, hence why I'm dumping it
Covale`: Ah, I see. Well, it appears I haven´t found any (yet)
danielpbarron: you need to buy them or be given them, from another player
shinohai: For the life of me cannot figure out how
danielpbarron: same as with craft table, set hotkey for /pickup /drop <itemname>
shinohai: ah kk
danielpbarron: Covale`, i can sell you the building skill
Covale`: thank danielpbarron but I don´t have enough copper, just did some trades to check out how that works.
diana_coman: I can sell some skill books for gathering + building (possibly tinkering too); as per http://logs.minigame.bz/2018-01-14.log.html#t08:30:20
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-01-14 08:30:20: <diana_coman> a skill book starts at 100k, ftr
nolan_bugg: danielpbarron what branches?
Covale`: speaking of that, I got to Eelectron now, but I don´t see any table for trade.
diana_coman: Covale`, and all other noobs: read the logz! daily; a good habit and this log is generally short, not a big thing
shinohai: nolan_bugg: come to -244.010 42.690 -206.190
shinohai: I have the branches there
nolan_bugg: how to travel to coordinate? i cant remember how...
danielpbarron: type /pilot x y z
nolan_bugg: ok
danielpbarron: you can use 0 for y
danielpbarron: Covale`, i can sell you a craft table blueprint
diana_coman: Covale`, re table at electron: should be in the "Tools" category iirc if there is any
danielpbarron: isn't there a new system for trading with electron?
diana_coman: ah, no, right
diana_coman: ugh, nm that Covale`
diana_coman: you need to ask electron for what he has
diana_coman: or whether he has a craft-table
danielpbarron: i can sell the blueprint and the ingredients and then you can make your own table at the community table
diana_coman: there is even a quest for a craft-table, but who reads it
danielpbarron: an in game quest?
diana_coman: danielpbarron, the one on my blog; it does happen in game though, ofc
Covale`: dammit, Electron is not listening to me :))
danielpbarron: yeah that's what i was thinking with offering the blueprint, you get to go figure out how to make stuff
diana_coman: Covale`, trade with him first
danielpbarron: but mostly i don't want to have to move away from the spot to let you take a table
Covale`: k, sold some boulders to Electron, thought that´d sweeten him up, still doesn´t wanna talk to me
shinohai: Covale`: make sure you have him targeted, and he will reply in the "Whisper" pane
Covale`: shinohai, well, there might be that, I *did* click on him to buy / sell, but not sure if I actually targeted him when I was trying to get his attention
Covale`: anyway I´ve left the spot, don´t want to talk to him anynore either now, heh
shinohai: lol
shinohai: nolan_bugg: I'll be in another window, so ping me here if you come to pick up
Covale`: diana_coman, I tried to message you in-game, does it come up ?
diana_coman: Covale`, it did come up but nobody's looking there, lol
diana_coman: if you managed to sell spirover stuff it shouldn't be that hard to buy stuff too
diana_coman: he gives you instructions as to what to say to him
Covale`: nah, I wanted to talk to you about that quest :)
diana_coman: so...talk, lol
Covale`: sent another message in-game. or should I just say it here ? as far as I saw in the blog post, I thought I´d need to talk to you in there
diana_coman: yeah, it's all right anywhere, as long as I see it basically; and chances are I see it here better but it's fine now; wait ~5 min for me to finish this craft and I'll get you the stuff
diana_coman: come to town; I'll ping you when it's ready
Covale`: alright, i´m there already anyway
diana_coman: Covale`, right, trade foxy
diana_coman: there you go , click accept
diana_coman: bag button
diana_coman: Covale`, ^
Covale`: done now
diana_coman: you can find the branches yourself obv
diana_coman: have fun
Covale`: thank you !
diana_coman: yw
Covale`: yeah I think I already have some stuffed in Heina :)
Covale`: and there it is: my first crafting table! :D
diana_coman: well done Covale` !
diana_coman: now if you are gathering stuff, get a few thousand shiny rocks
diana_coman: I'll buy them at higher price than spirover does
Covale`: ty. but ftr Spirover still doesn´t wanna talk to me, wonder why he´s acting all bitchy like that
diana_coman: (and for that matter possibly others would buy such stuff too)
diana_coman: Covale`, trade with him *first*
diana_coman: then with the trade window open check the whisper tab
diana_coman: he tells you what to say
diana_coman: and say it to him with whisper, as you whispered to foxy
diana_coman: he'll reply too
Covale`: hm, trade window open - that´s a fair pont. let´s see...
Covale`: ah, there it is. now he talks. Imma proceed in lecture him now over those boulders and branches I thought he required to aknoledge my presnce
diana_coman: heh, enjoy!
Covale`: :)
Covale`: so shiny rocks you say... gonna see if stumble upon any and let you know
diana_coman: just make it a few *thousands* of them
diana_coman: or more, ofc
Covale`: think I know where to find them. or at least - where they could be found at some point
diana_coman: go for it
Covale`: but I don´t suppose you need them right now, right ? prolly log-off soon, usually I turn everything off
danielpbarron: feel free to auction those, i'd bid
diana_coman: Covale`, take your time, no rush
Covale`: alright, cool
diana_coman: eulora is a very ..calm game generally
Covale`: well I´ve been telling myself I need to catch a break from those multiplayer PvP shooters I´ve been playing last year anyway :D
Covale`: got this nickname from one of ´em, so it was not all in vain, but still
diana_coman: eh, eulora gives out free nicknames with every account!
diana_coman: lel
Covale`: nickname achieved ! :P
Birdman: diana_coman until perma death and fighting comes along >:)
diana_coman: Birdman, nicknames live on! and perma death is ...calm anyway, no?
Birdman: calm for everyone else, anyways
Birdman: !Qauction list
lobbesbot: Birdman: (auction <opening bid (coppers)> <duration (hours)> <item/lot>) -- e.g. !Qauction 3,5mn 2 57 IMP CH, d 32197 ea
Birdman: !Qauction 1000000 48 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 168 STARTED by Birdman: 115 q464 tlc Opening: 1000000 coppers Ending: 2018-01-20 06:14:44 UTC (48 hours)
Birdman: will probably be breaking 400 building by the end of current gathering run
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=No bids E=01-20 06:14:44 (47h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
danielpbarron: !Qbid 168 1mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 168: 115 q464 tlc Heard: 1mn from danielpbarron Ending: 2018-01-20 06:14:44 UTC (40 hours 39 mins)
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (40h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 1mn total bids ---
Covale`: hey, so, uhm, apparently I´m sort of a walking dead now, no blood nor health - can´t explore
mircea_popescu: what's it say when you try ?
Covale`: oh nevermind, I had it minimized with a bot explore command and now I see it´s working. Said my legs were to weak, hands crumble... something like that.
Covale`: Blood bar´s filled-up, had this happen once before, this time last night I just logged-off and first time I tried it today it didn´t work
diana_coman: Covale`, you need to /die
mircea_popescu: ah, if you explore with no tool you get hurt
mircea_popescu: get hurt enough eventually you die. death (which will be permanent) is atm not implemented so you get a freebie this way basically.
diana_coman: bot does kill you when needed, yes
mircea_popescu: cheap way for noobs to leech a little $.
Covale`: noticed that, thought it resets auto though. perma death´s gonna be a bitch I suppose
diana_coman: iirc bot will probably kill you a few times too atm but what's a death after the first one anyway
mircea_popescu: Covale` the idea is you get inheritors etc.
Covale`: btw diana_coman those shiny rocks will probably take a little more while to get. thought I´d nailed them on a map shinohai shared, but instead I´ve stumble onto some dry grass
diana_coman: heh, keep it close to the spot prolly
shinohai: Dry grass is valuable too
diana_coman: see the maps on my blog for some idea I suppose
Covale`: yeah so far I´m still auto-exploring... left in background
diana_coman: but keep in mind there have been a few layers of changes since then
Covale`: still quite can´t wrap my head around scripts / macros... so I only got the claims atm
diana_coman: well, claims at least give you the bits of nothing I suppose but anyway, it's the actual resources you need if you want to sell /get some ecu
Covale`: speaking of, I was rading on your blog about how with this latest version and crafting table the bot auto-drops it, crafts and then picks it up. But that´s different than just /explore ?
diana_coman: Covale`, it's /bot craft , yes
diana_coman: crafting vs exploring
diana_coman: ahahah, Menacefield is full of grass?
diana_coman: Covale`, is that you?
Covale`: yeah
diana_coman: what are you doing there?
diana_coman: your inv is probably full, check it ,lmao
Covale`: exploring I guess
Covale`: let me see...
Covale`: indeed. well at least I´ve got plently of soon-to-be tiny bits of nothing :V
diana_coman: lol
diana_coman: you can dump them in storage too, they will still morph into bits of nothing
mircea_popescu: lbn may also be worth ecu i think
Covale`: not sure. but they´ll come in handy I suppose for crafting the grass etc.
Covale`: need to see how /craft works though
mircea_popescu: you need them to build small claims yes
mircea_popescu: or wait, was it tiny claims ?
diana_coman: tiny claims
mircea_popescu: aha.
Covale`: yes
diana_coman: but apparently (by the full pinata message) he is getting tiny claims anyway
Covale`: yeah, yeah, those
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (36h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 1mn total bids ---
Covale`: uhm, so... to actually get the tiny bits of grass by using the claims & tbn is there some way to automate ?
Covale`: been searching through the logs but so far I´m not clear on that
diana_coman: Covale`, bot used to do this; latest server update broke it; someone needs to fix it; so far nobody has
diana_coman: the glory awaits, the need hopefully pokes you in the behind, so go and be that someone!
Covale`: uhm... yeah. if I´d have the tiniest bit of clue about how *any* of this works I might. but since right now I´m trying to correctly handle the mouse so I can point and click on a stick on the map, that might take a while
Covale`: btw, i cant click sticks on map :(
Covale`: seriously, don´t know what´s up with all those tiny claims I got earlier, can´t use any of ´em for some reason. and if I drop the table and use that to I get bundles instead of grass
shinohai: Covale`: Are you moving before the claim is finished developing?
Covale`: shinohai, I used /bot explore to get a whole bunch of them, so yeah, I did move. went back to try to use them but it seem no longer possible
mircea_popescu: might've disappeared in the meanwhile.
shinohai: Mine seemed to vanish fairly quick, I haven't been using the bot.
Covale`: mircea_popescu, they show up on the map, but not actually clickable. so yeah, might be
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (35h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 1mn total bids ---
diana_coman: Covale`, log out and back in; client is idiot and doesn't update when claim removed if you are not around
Covale`: that did it
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lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (34h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 1mn total bids ---
Birdman: help i've fallen and i cant get up
Birdman: off the map
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (33h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 1mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: !Qbid 168 1.1mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 168: 115 q464 tlc Heard: 1.1mn from mircea_popescu overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-01-20 06:14:44 UTC (32 hours 24 mins)
Birdman: mircea_popescu could you move me back to land?
mircea_popescu: Birdman aite, 1sec
Birdman: ty
mircea_popescu: Birdman what was your guy named ?
Birdman: korgan
mircea_popescu: Birdman did it take ?
Birdman: mircea_popescu yes thank you
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1.1mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (32h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 1.1mn total bids ---
mircea_popescu: mp.
Birdman: omfg can you do that again for me please?
Birdman: mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ...
Birdman: sorrry
mircea_popescu: how did you fall off again ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, there you go
Birdman: thanks
diana_coman: hm, time for the monthly auction of ibs I suppose, let's see
diana_coman: !QAuction 2.5mn 48 12200 IBS q57
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 169 STARTED by diana_coman: 12200 IBS q57 Opening: 2.5mn coppers Ending: 2018-01-20 22:16:49 UTC (48 hours)
mircea_popescu: !Qbid 169 2.66mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 169: 12200 IBS q57 Heard: 2.66mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-01-20 22:16:49 UTC (47 hours 54 mins)
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1.1mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (31h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: A#169 O=2.5mn HB=2.66mn E=01-20 22:16:49 (47h9) >>> 12200 IBS q57
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 3.76mn total bids ---
danielpbarron: !Qbid 168 1.155mn
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 168: 115 q464 tlc Heard: 1.155mn from danielpbarron overbidding mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-01-20 06:14:44 UTC (29 hours 21 mins)
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1.155mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (29h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: A#169 O=2.5mn HB=2.66mn E=01-20 22:16:49 (45h9) >>> 12200 IBS q57
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 3.815mn total bids ---
danielpbarron: i'll be unable to process ecu transfers for about a week starting tomorrow afternoon. will be available tomorrow morning
lobbesbot: A#168 O=1mn HB=1.155mn E=01-20 06:14:44 (28h7) >>> 115 q464 tlc
lobbesbot: A#169 O=2.5mn HB=2.66mn E=01-20 22:16:49 (44h9) >>> 12200 IBS q57
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 3.815mn total bids ---
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 168 has ENDED: 115 q464 tlc SOLD to danielpbarron for 1.155mn coppers. Attn: Birdman
lobbesbot: A#169 O=2.5mn HB=2.66mn E=01-20 22:16:49 (15h9) >>> 12200 IBS q57
lobbesbot: --- end of auction list, 2.66mn total bids ---
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 169 has ENDED: 12200 IBS q57 SOLD to mircea_popescu for 2.66mn coppers. Attn: diana_coman
Covale`: Hey, I´m stuck in the sphere at 276 .. 354. Tried /unstick and re-login but still there. Halp ?
Birdman: mircea_popescu ^
diana_coman: Covale`, try jumping a bit + move?
Covale`: heh, got it, it worked. ty - jumping seems to have done the trick
diana_coman: aha
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ibs pickup?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman works for me.
diana_coman: coming
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, trade
diana_coman: enjoy!
mircea_popescu: ty!
lobbes: price history has been updated with the last two auctions >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/view.php?ItemSHC=&TimeLookback=1+wk&Quality=&QualityWidth=&SortBy=
diana_coman: looks good, thanks lobbes
diana_coman: o.O foxy popped on a small wpl , ha
diana_coman: 7mn but that did NOT budge the farming skill , lol
Birdman: what *does* budge farming
diana_coman: a bigger ...bang! what else
mircea_popescu: lel
Birdman: is there a way to check qualities with npc store?
diana_coman: Birdman, he tells you everything about an item if you ask with shc
diana_coman: read what he says, it's all in there
Birdman: ok
Birdman: diana_coman do you know of a spot thats all lh by chance?
Birdman: only one i know with lh has wpl too
diana_coman: not aware of "lh only" spot, no
Birdman: beat
diana_coman: sooo Fox makes now small grocery bundles q 3.1k with electron's 100q cft
diana_coman: considering that ord bundles are 2500q and not even clearly renewable
diana_coman: is it even better to get smalls or to get ords?
diana_coman: ugh
diana_coman: (obv: it's better to make higher q bundles for both types; trying to keep this into the realm of possible&sustainable atm though)
mircea_popescu: good q.
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shinohai: Welp sonce no one wanted to pick up that flotsam, I FINALLY managed to drag it all back lol
mircea_popescu: wd.
shinohai: I never got such low-quality though, all the way back to q1 :/
mircea_popescu: low skill ?
shinohai: I'm 74 gathering and 84 building
shinohai: and wait, was sb not flotsam
diana_coman: shinohai, what q bundles did you use?
shinohai: aha forgot to look .... these were all tiniy claims so I suspect low q to begin with.
Birdman: The ground ate a table i dropped, help?
mircea_popescu: /pickup Craft Table
Birdman: will try after this craft, thank you
Birdman: saying im too far away
diana_coman: Birdman, first make sure it's still there
diana_coman: and hopefully you wrote /pickup Craft-Table
diana_coman: with the -
diana_coman: as otherwise ...yes, it's too far away, lol
Birdman: heh, thanks
Birdman: but still too far
Birdman: i dont think it would've disappeared im only a few paces from the spot i was at when i dropped it
diana_coman: try re-login anyway; idiot client might have gotten confused
Birdman: worth a shot
Birdman: that worked
Birdman: so far some great results from sr smalls, each one is giving me like 3x base value of bundle in output
Birdman: though when you factor in the cs cost it turns to garbage, but thats always been the case
Birdman: it also seems to me that as rarity increases the price should exponentially, when looking at the stark contrasts between tlc > wpl > sr
Birdman: the rares are just plain difficult to extract
Birdman: not to mention probably near impossible to find without a gathering lvl thats worth a damn
Birdman: i also wonder still if there is innate grasping of some skills better than others on a person to person basis. i assume char stats have that sort of effect, but wonder if theres something beyond the limits set by a char's stats. like two chars have mirrored stats but one is better at gathering than tinkering and the other the opposite. begs the question as to whether or not we will ever see our stats again too
diana_coman: heh, making 10 items per lapidary click, yay!
diana_coman: at the same time, higher rank in mcguyver still means...only 7 items per mcguyver click
diana_coman: either fox is clearly way worse at mcguyver or mcguyver is way harder than lapidary
Birdman: would like to see the instructions for two people with similar levels
Birdman: should be something to get from noobs, though im sure if it is the case the differences will be more distinguished at higherr levels
Birdman: but any difference would be very telling
diana_coman: Birdman, so get yourself 2 noob accounts and do the comparison you consider useful
Birdman: that would be a way to do it
Birdman: but i think atm i dont need more than one account
mircea_popescu: im making 9 tinks
Birdman: tinkering accounts?
Birdman: is there really so much opportunity in it
mircea_popescu: nah, 9 items per click
Birdman: o
mircea_popescu: i can't be arsed to multiacct.
danielpbarron either
danielpbarron: i just use my alt to hold heavy stuff
danielpbarron: but the funny side effect is eulora will have a lineage named "Tester"
danielpbarron: i started a long consideration before i left over a week ago and my client froze like 1/10 of the way in :<
danielpbarron: i suspect it was the result of other players somehow, is that why mircea_popescu crafts away from the NPC?
mircea_popescu: i kinda ended up there by picking up/dropping tables
mircea_popescu: over months.
danielpbarron: but you don't freeze anymore?
danielpbarron: i think you are far enough away to where your client doesn't see characters at the NPC
mircea_popescu: honestly i never froze (ie client failure) it generally died because net interface.
danielpbarron: my connection stayed the whole way through, still voiced in main chan
danielpbarron: and no server reset, shame the client froze
mircea_popescu: pity huh
danielpbarron: i strongly suspect it's due to other players
diana_coman: danielpbarron, the client freeze is due to client-code; I had that happen a couple of times
diana_coman: you can however let it be until the cons finishes anyway
diana_coman: since it's all on client side it doesn't affect the cons click; only you'll need Tester to go and see when the cons actually finished since your main character is frozen
danielpbarron: ah, so then it did not finish after more than a week
Birdman: zomfg
Birdman: 4/5 drops throw my table as far behind me as it'll go within my reach
Birdman: what a drag
Birdman: definitely somethin weird goin on with it, ill pick up the table and my guy starts gliding forward while overweight then snap back to where i picked it up
Birdman: interesting discovery: if weight allowance is 550 and you're carrying 550.9, you wont be over weight
Birdman: danielpbarron pick up your tlc whenver
Birdman: and if anyone is selling cs, i'm buying
Birdman: i also have a bunch of used ones if anyone wants to buy them for mixing, i'd want 2k a pop
Birdman: or is that 20k nowadays
diana_coman: Birdman, the "snap" is probably some lag basically
Birdman: ya, was strange whatever was happening
Birdman: becoming overweight while moving
diana_coman: client continues whatever movement for ever essentially; it syncs only when talking to server
diana_coman: I can sell cs Birdman @ 250%
Birdman: bv on tools is still = durability right
diana_coman: yes
Birdman: how many you have
Birdman: i'd probably buy them all
Birdman: Am also looking for cft
diana_coman: Birdman, how many cs do you want?
Birdman: 750
Birdman: uses
diana_coman: hm
Birdman: preferably mixed but i have some mixing sticks if not
diana_coman: cft is still at spirover though I suppose I CAN sell it at some higher markup, ofc
Birdman: heh good point
diana_coman: I'll have to check re some cs production line if it's such huge demand; I can sell 200 cs 20239q each Birdman
Birdman: ill take em
diana_coman: !~calc 2.50*200*20239
Birdman: 1011950
jhvh1: diana_coman: 2.50*200*20239 = 10119500
Birdman: ya that
Birdman: when works?
diana_coman: trade fox
Birdman: have to bank, 1 sec
Birdman: try me, its telling me im too busy for some reason
diana_coman: Birdman,
Birdman: crashed, booting up now
diana_coman: ...
Birdman: too fat or busy
diana_coman: Birdman, you keep doing it several times
diana_coman: that's why it complains
Birdman: o
Birdman: thank you
diana_coman: yw
Birdman: oh you cant even store when heavy now lol
Birdman: 205k cft later..
Birdman: the entire market for boulders will be based on weight allowance
Birdman: ah and the npcs have seperate storage lol

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