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2019-8-31 | 2019-10-1

shinohai: asciilifeform: I wrote up a little diceware script in lisp today, do you still have that Romanian wordlist hanging about on your site somewhere?
shinohai: (I accidently deleted from btcinfo, lost link to yours)
asciilifeform: shinohai: it's exactly where was before
asciilifeform: see in 'misc' sidebar.
shinohai looks
shinohai: Aha you had the *dictionary* I had forgotten the dicelist I was looking for was Trilema item http://trilema.com/2012/romanian-dicelist/
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 17d 14h 47m
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 18d 3h 5m
asciilifeform: !o uptime
ossabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 1d 19h 15m
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 19d 2h 32m
asciilifeform: !o uptime
ossabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 2d 18h 42m
verisimilitude: I'm starting work on networking libraries in Ada; I've started with UDP; I'd appreciate receiving some thoughts on this package specification:
verisimilitude: http://verisimilitudes.net/udp.ads
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557
verisimilitude: I'm aware of your library, asciilifeform, and I've taken a look at how you approach the problem for some things.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what do you propose to do differently ?
verisimilitude: My library is more abstract and uses an approach that entirely ignores the existence of Unix and C in the package specification.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: how do you intend to put the os glue? inline asm ?
verisimilitude: I intend to only do so in the body of the package, which any user of the library wouldn't need be aware of.
verisimilitude: My library also makes fewer decisions than yours, such as the datagram size.
asciilifeform: i confess i do not see what is gained. it isnt as if user of my udp lib needs to know anything of the c glue.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: diana_coman's variant already has a knob for packet size.
verisimilitude: Oh, that one uses indefinite types, then?
asciilifeform: i confess i utterly don't grasp : why not pick and open problem ? why this ?
asciilifeform: *an open
verisimilitude: This is work for other things.
verisimilitude: My UDP interface will resemble the TCP interface I've planned in several ways, but I've not started on that beyond some design, yet.
verisimilitude: I don't like POSIX Sockets, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: do you intend to make own ? how will it differ from traditional ?
asciilifeform must bbl. verisimilitude if you write at length on the subj, i'ma read when get the chance.
verisimilitude: I'm still muddy with some details, concerning the TCP library, but that's due to my more general being green to Ada; I should also note I want to design similiar libraries for Common Lisp, so I'm designing libraries to work roughly the same in both languages.
verisimilitude: Clearly, for TCP, the client should have little or no difference from the client of the file system.
verisimilitude: As for the server, I'd prefer a ``connection generator'' approach, where you have a server object which provides the means for different tasks to get bidirectional streams representing a single connection that they then handle independently.
verisimilitude: I could go into more detail, but I similarly have other things I could be doing, so it can wait.
shinohai: Reading #trilema logs yesterday got me thinking would be worthwhile to pick up where esthlos left off on his vtron (add diff function, etc) though now wonder if exercise in futility, since apparently this is nothing more than kindergarten Strafbataillon, and any discussion of subj merely fodder for asciilifeform to kek over with MP. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933448
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 14:00:11 asciilifeform: ( a surprisingly well-populated штрафбат . and asciilifeform makes an effort to read its log and reply 2-3x / daily )
asciilifeform: shinohai: picture, fella knocks on your door. 'behold, my great invention' you : 'but this is bicicle' him : 'i am well aware of bicycles!' you : 'this looks exactly like the bike i had when i was 11, but with odd protrusions' him : 'no!! it has radar-absorbing paint ! and can drop chaff against surface-to-air rockets' you : '...'
shinohai: heh
shinohai: Anyway, this morning's experiments show that esthlos V won't press trb correctly. Barfs on asciilifeform's numbered bitcoin vpatches, eg:
shinohai: Checking bitcoin-asciilifeform.3-turdmeister-alert-snip.vpatch against bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig ..
shinohai: Renaming the patches allows press of sorts, but then only presses src/ folder. No makefile in sight.
asciilifeform: shinohai: afaik it was never upgraded to keccak
asciilifeform: shinohai: or are you speaking of the older patches
shinohai: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-redux/ <<< this one
asciilifeform: which patches tho
shinohai: (using own keccack patchset from regrind earlier this year)
shinohai: afaik keccack trb not on btcbase
asciilifeform: a.
asciilifeform: then nfi ( i admit, have not tried this vtron 'in anger' )
asciilifeform: today i use diana_coman's ( which is actually a patch of my original v.py , to make use of phf's vdiff )
shinohai: Have up to this point used mod6's perl V, was merely curious as to whether anything useful was to be found in esthlos version.
shinohai: perl makes my head hurt.
asciilifeform: shinohai: ever think about writing your own vtron ?
shinohai: Started own lisp vtron, decided to take a look at a few other implementations to see if any ideas I could cobble.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i still even today recommend to people to start with reading mine, it is the shortest (if not 100% featureful)
shinohai: I actually did read yours and made horrid first attempt in pure bash just for shits and giggles.
asciilifeform: there's no reason you couldn't have a practical one in bash
asciilifeform: ( given as most of the work in all current vers is still gpg callout )
verisimilitude: So, no additional thoughts, asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not atm. ( i personally don't like oop , and don't see its addition as useful feature ) but will read whole proggy when you post it.
verisimilitude: Alright, then.
verisimilitude: This design seems rather finalized, so I'll start implementing it soon. I'm aiming to have it finished by or before 2019-09-09. I'll return then to show you, asciilifeform.
PeterL: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/05/tyson-launches-alt-shrimp-made-plants-it-could-be-jumbo/ << the march toward "I can't believe it's not meat" continues
asciilifeform: lol
bvt: asciilifeform: answered; btw, can you release the source of the 'm' kernel (in two steps - 4.9-genesised to 3.16, 3.16 to 3.16-m)?
asciilifeform: bvt: i was gonna release it as patch, but got stuck on 'hm which to genesis'
bvt: this way, perhaps will learn if the approach with rolling back by doing vpatches is working
asciilifeform: bvt: will put it as old-fashioned patch in near future (hands pretty full atm sadly)
bvt: currently i'm sure that we don't want to have multiple genesises for 3.x-m, 4.4-rockchip, 2.x-amd64 - but it's hard to tell how it will work in practice.
bvt: ty
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 20d 8h 16m
bvt: hello. seems that dns/http of p.bvulpes.com fell off -> deedbot can't produce OTPs
asciilifeform: grr
asciilifeform: !qs "head hurt" perl f:shinohai
snsabot: [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=%26quot%3Bhead%20hurt%26quot%3B%20perl%20f%3Ashinohai&chan=asciilifeform][0 results for ""head hurt" perl f:shinohai" in #asciilifeform]
shinohai: hue
asciilifeform: this apparently not worx yet.
shinohai: i had same sad occur to my www, sdf had to be replaced
asciilifeform: shinohai: testing my bot, is all
asciilifeform: !qs "head hurt" perl f:shinohai
snsabot: [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=%26quot%3Bhead%20hurt%26quot%3B%20perl%20f%3Ashinohai&chan=asciilifeform][0 results for ""head hurt" perl f:shinohai" in #asciilifeform]
mats: am live, i don't have a greenarrays board
asciilifeform: a.
asciilifeform: must've been somebody else.
asciilifeform: whatcha up to these days, mats ?
lobbes: !e uptime
ericbot: lobbes: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 6m
lobbes: well unexpected disconnect, but new !e uptime works at least
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 25d 1h 4m
mats: boxing, diving, practice behind a pistol
mats: nothing very exciting
mats: made a trip to taipei recently, will be returning for a few months relatively soon
asciilifeform: mats: do you compete in tourneys ? or just a sometime thing ?
mats: just a sometime thing
asciilifeform: a.
mats: taipei is amazing, had a five course meal at xiang duck for two, ~45usd
mats: equiv in sf or boston would be 200+, with mildly above average service, gratuity, and surly waitstaff
asciilifeform: mats: i had very similar experience on erry single trip out of usa to anywhere.
mats: the staff were so attentive it actually made me a little uncomfortable, noticed every single little detail - timely refills, removing plates, listening carefully, not bringing the check to the table until requested, not making me wait
mats: shouldn't be remarkable but it is
verisimilitude: You asked me to tell you when I got around to documenting my Lemote Yeeloong hardware, asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: Here that is: http://verisimilitudes.net/2019-09-09
verisimilitude: I mention as much in this document, but let me know if there are any details not covered you'd be interested in learning of.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: thx for posting, interesting. very rare machine. i've not found one being sold at any price, for many years.
PeterL: asciilifeform: I posted some sigs of ffa vpatches on my blog: http://peterl.xyz/2019/09/signatures-for-ffa/
asciilifeform: PeterL: ty ! will mirror these in the next ch
shinohai: is anyone publishing *raw znc* logs for chans ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: not afaik. currently the de-facto canonical format is phf-style, as seen in e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/asciilifeform?istart=1000287&iend=1000288
asciilifeform: shinohai: lobbes wrote a [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/logotron/znc2tmsr_etc.kv.vpatch][znc-swallowing converter] to same
asciilifeform: shinohai: not errybody uses znc. ( my [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/][logotron] for instance does not , atm )
shinohai: it works as a lazy logotron, pretty easy to just add bot functions to a znc
asciilifeform: shinohai: it does. and imho the moar types of logotron written, the merrier.
asciilifeform: shinohai: if you know how to make one from znc -- don't hesitate to post.
shinohai: as soon as i sort out server difficulties will start publishing raw logz then.
shinohai: really nothing to speak of when making znc bot, just add an admin account with bot name, set it to log chans.
shinohai: then add commands in script lang of choice
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 27d 4h 38m
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 28d 4h 30m
lobbes: welcome jfw. asciilifeform I believe this is the Jacob Welsh fella. Pointed him to yer castle.
jfw: indeed, ty lobbes.
jfw: I seem to be having trouble registering with deedbot, but in the mean time I'm http://welshcomputing.com/jfw.asc and [http://welshcomputing.com/jfw-key-trans-2019.asc][a bridge from a prior key]
asciilifeform: jfw: you will need to ask trinque , re deedbot .
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 29d 5h 12m
lobbes: that pizarro pipe is resilient. auctionbot also hosted from rockchip; can't remember last disconnect
asciilifeform: pretty great innit.
asciilifeform: lobbes: tryin' to figure out, incidentally, whythefuck didn't http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936242 echo
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:36:07 asciilifeform: ( the various 'why' of this -- explored in [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000616][this] #0 thrd & elsewhere )
asciilifeform: stumped atm
lobbes: that is odd..
lobbes: asciilifeform: I can't look too far into it atm, but I was able to reproduce the failing in my castle: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema-lobbes/2019-09-14
lobbes: looks like something to do with the "#0" portion?
asciilifeform: shouldn't make a diff, considering that the mechanism is :
asciilifeform: logref_re = re.compile(Base_URL + """log\/([^/]+)/([^/]+)#(\d+)""")
asciilifeform: ( and -- for ref in re.findall(logref_re, text): .... )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000616
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 18:53:47 asciilifeform: diana_coman: to add a few brush strokes to the picture of usa -- and perhaps already you knew -- 1) most folx get ~0 'vacation'. they nominally get '2 wks' but is reserved in practice for illness ; 2) are paid just enuff to stay alive (and locate themselves within vicinity of the mines) , 2-3 missed weeks of pay means destitution .
asciilifeform: echoes ^
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000616 #0
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: odd.
asciilifeform hates regexpism for a fucking reason
asciilifeform: [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-105.345-105.635][see also.]
asciilifeform bbl:meat
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 30d 11h 5m
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 31d 4h 13m
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 32d 0h 28m
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 33d 0h 50m
asciilifeform: hey phf -- btcbase www fell down ??
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, some task i left running resulted in a heap exhaustion
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937305 <<< Interesting. I'm confused though, is MP wanting this *on top of* current logbot or as standalone?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 05:23:36 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha [https://archive.is/0yRis][chris]es over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
asciilifeform: wb phf. and seems to work nao.
asciilifeform: shinohai: as i understand it's a feature req for variant of bot.
shinohai: I have a relay bot around somewhere, it's py2.7 stuff so no idea if still functional but I used it for relay between here and geekshed irc for well over year.
asciilifeform: shinohai: so clean it up, post.
shinohai: zncbot has taken up most of free time of late, I didn't exoect Summer to be so unseasonably warm here this late in September. Girls still want to drag me out here to lake or some odd place every day.

2019-8-31 | 2019-10-1