asciilifeform: i recommend to do some basic verilog exercises , to get the hang of logic design, before you try an' take a bite out of large open problems
asciilifeform: ( e.g. get the toolchain going, can't speak for other folx but it took me a rather long time ), see if you can port fg.v to it, try a toggle button as entropy source, write nifty blog article...
asciilifeform: start with a serial uart that prints helloworld; or with a sad bitcoin miner ( as asciilifeform did ) ; or use yer imagination.
asciilifeform: whoknows: you might find out that you ~like~ logic design
shinohai: That's what I am mostly interested in, using it for operations such as fg or ecdsa
asciilifeform: ice40 is quite certainly too small for ecdsa, but the 'giant' chip might not be
asciilifeform: i've tried it both ways. and found out that i like , sometimes, working with other people on things.
shinohai: I like working with other folx too, but don't need all the extra baggage that comes with being a mp vassal.
asciilifeform: shinohai: fwiw i read your www, and find it interesting on occasion. if you post coad, i'ma test.
asciilifeform: shinohai: it is entirely up to you to find what people, if any , you like to work with.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, for instance, did his thing mostly alone, 2007-2013. lived.
asciilifeform: there's obvious down sides to going alone, but you already know what they are, i shan't describe'em.
shinohai: Thanks for reading. I'm rather surprised at the sheer number of visitors and write-ins I get for my crap.
shinohai: (Would love to return writing for Qntra, but won't for obvious reasons)
asciilifeform: again i wont say 'do' or 'do not'. erry fella must find by himself people he can live with without tearing own hair out.
asciilifeform: personally i found that i built much moar ( and moar interesting ) things with mp, than when without . we overlap maybe 5% in what we're interested in, but i enjoy baking the 5% together. again cannot speak for shinohai .
shinohai: I very much enjoyed working with MP when he isn't being disingenuous .... which happens more than people like to admit.
asciilifeform: shinohai: if yer looking for a brain exercise, on top of verilogism , try an' fit ffa into yer head ( i expect it'd take a few wks )
asciilifeform: i gotta go back to meat work shortly, but will round off thread -- asciilifeform is prolly not best man to tell shinohai how to live, i only ever had opposite problem ( much to do, but very little time ) from shinohai's ( much time, what-do )
asciilifeform: shinohai near as i can tell is actually a more mp-like fella than i am
asciilifeform: so i'm at least a little surprised that the 2 dun get along moar
shinohai: opposites attract, simple physical law no? Like forces repel one another ....
asciilifeform: i gotta bbl. but remember , if you dun post things, no one can throw tomatoes, but also no one can clap, and no one can use, best you can achieve is that archaeologists find yer stuff, like i found bolix. i recommend to post things.
shinohai: Well it took me a long time to find a suitable blog-o-tron. I loathe wordpress, and sure thats another mark against me because I prefer to blog using vim, sed, awk as opposed to mp-webshit.
shinohai: But, as always, a pleasure asciilifeform .... be well!
adlai: shinohai: the simple physical law is slightly more complicated, but not much: there are no intrinsic properties of free matter, rather, all manifestations are in fact measures of the mutual dynamical coupling within a larger material system, assumed to reach the eventual closure provided by reference-frame invariance. (phrasing cribbed from Mendel Sachs)
shinohai: Yeah I did try to oversimplify it a bit.
adlai also skipped Sachs's "Axiom 3", considering it roughly as glib as the academic joke wherein "the first rule of thermodynamics is that one does not dispute thermodynamics"
diana_coman: shinohai> (Would love to return writing for Qntra, but won't for obvious reasons) -> what are those? I can't see them.
shinohai: asciilifeform: it all makes sense now - I knew there could have been *no fucking way* that you would have left vulnerable bash in place on that server (if you recall our conversation on why lobbes thought an entire horde of mindless bots took down his blog for 2 weeks straight :) )
asciilifeform: shinohai: if i understand the implication, i recommend that you repeat it to his face in #t, rather than here